Another weird YouTube plane video

[gatt[_2_]]

Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. Pretty
resilient airplane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related

Awesome landing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

[ManhattanMan]

gatt wrote:
> Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. Pretty
> resilient airplane.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>
> Awesome landing:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

Oh man, you're right about the comments - what a prick!

Second one I assume was supposed to be an emergency landing; but, if it was
an impromptu landing strip, why did what appears to be an improvised wind
sock appear at the 48 second mark? But, a good landing, never the
less........

[[email protected]]

> Second one I assume was supposed to be an emergency landing; but, if it was
> an impromptu landing strip, why did what appears to be an improvised wind
> sock appear at the 48 second mark? *But, a good landing, never the
> less........

I bet they just use that part of the road to land their plane when
they want to go fishing, or there's a house nearby, something they do
pretty regular -- regular enough to put up a wind sock.

Long as you can tell if any cars are coming ... *if* ...

[James Sleeman]

On Feb 1, 1:05*pm, "gatt" > wrote:

> Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

That's not an emergency landing.

This is an emergency landing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SL-CML9xcA&feature=PlayList&p=1B3F25695A14D3D0&index=85

Skip to about 4 minutes in.

[buttman]

On Jan 31, 5:05 pm, "gatt" > wrote:
> Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. Pretty
> resilient airplane.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>
> Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

commenters on youtube have been far more polite and insightful than
members on this newsgroup for ages now.

[Edward A. Falk]

In article >,
gatt > wrote:
>
>Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. Pretty
>resilient airplane.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related

Dumbasses. It's a miracle that plane didn't flip over or worse.
Looks like he didn't even have a prop strike. Very very lucky.


>Awesome landing:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

I was once given a landing on a runway about that wide, with a dogleg
in it during my primary training. No trees though. This one, however,
I'm not sure I'd want to try even today.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[Jim Macklin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY


Swiss Alps in a Baron



"gatt" > wrote in message
...
|
| Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting
video. Pretty
| resilient airplane.
|
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
|
| Awesome landing:
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
|
|
|
|

[Edward A. Falk]

In article >,
Jim Macklin > wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY
>
>
>Swiss Alps in a Baron

I read about that airport once. You need special training before
you're allowed to use it. The high end of the runway is higher than
the pattern altitude.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> Awesome landing:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
>
> I was once given a landing on a runway about that wide, with a dogleg
> in it during my primary training. No trees though. This one, however,
> I'm not sure I'd want to try even today.


I made the straightest landing of my career in a Piper Arrow at a seaplane base
down in New Orleans called Westwego. It had a relatively short, very narrow
runway alongside the waterway. How narrow was it? You know how when you flare,
the runway spreads out on either side of you?

This one didn't. The airport is closed now... you have to wonder why.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY
>>
>>
>> Swiss Alps in a Baron
>
> I read about that airport once. You need special training before
> you're allowed to use it. The high end of the runway is higher than
> the pattern altitude.


I took a Turbo C-206 out of a 2200' grass strip (Branson Field) on a hillside
that led downhill directly to Lake Norman in the Pidmont of North Carolina.
There was a storage building right at the edge of the water so you needed to be
a good 15 feet in the air as you crossed the shoreline. All takeoffs were
downhill; all landings were uphill, no matter what the wind was doing. There
were trees on both sides but the strip was a good 200 feet wide so you didn't
feel horned in.

I'd never flown a 206 of any kind before and had no checkout. I did have a few
hundred hours in C-210s so I didn't feel completely out of place. So I cranked
it up, did my runup at the top of the hill and poured the coal to it. The
damned seat slid to the rear of its travel!

Talk about a wild ride down the hill towards that storage building. Stopping
was not an option. I was stretched out trying to keep my feet on the rudder
pedals so I couldn't see where I was going. At what I hoped was the correct
time, I staggered into the air and leveled off as soon as I could so that I
could slide the seat back forward.

All I can say is I was glad nobody saw me. I started paying a lot more
attention to the seat locking in the track after that.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Jan 31, 8:44*pm, James Sleeman > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:05*pm, "gatt" > wrote:
>
> > Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
>
> That's not an emergency landing.
>
> This is an emergency landing:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SL-CML9xcA&feature=PlayList&p=1B3F256...
>
> Skip to about 4 minutes in.

That "plane" is a Sabre trike, it stalls in the low 20s IIRC. Try
that same spot in a spam can and he wouldn't have lived to tell his
tale.

http://www.ultralighthomepage.com/PICS/sabre01.gif

il

[Stefan]

Jim Macklin schrieb:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY
>
> Swiss Alps in a Baron

This is Courchevel, in the *French* Alps. So much for dumbasses on
youtube and ignorant journalists.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"gatt" > wrote in news:13q4ogfhs1qr8f5
@corp.supernews.com:

>
> Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. Pretty
> resilient airplane.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related

I can't even figure out WTF this guy was trying to do! Aside from anything
else, the driver in the car had to have been a bit worried about getting
chopped up if it all went wrong..

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"ManhattanMan" > wrote in
:

> gatt wrote:
>> Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video.
>> Pretty resilient airplane.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>>
>> Awesome landing:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
>
> Oh man, you're right about the comments - what a prick!
>
> Second one I assume was supposed to be an emergency landing;

if it was, it was th ebest one of all time!

Lucky he had a cool camera operator too..



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in
:

> On Jan 31, 5:05 pm, "gatt" > wrote:
>> Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video.
>> Pretty resilient airplane.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>>
>> Awesome
>> landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
>
> commenters on youtube have been far more polite and insightful than
> members on this newsgroup for ages now.
>

That's a very rude thing to say.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in
:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY
>
>
> Swiss Alps in a Baron
>
>
>
> "gatt" > wrote in message
> ...
>|
>| Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting
> video. Pretty
>| resilient airplane.
>|
>| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>|
>| Awesome landing:
>| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
>|
>|
>|
>|
>
>

And that's the wussy airport! Meribel, nearby, is even hairier. I
haven't been to either "field", but I know someone who regularly flies
out of Meribel in a Jodel on skis. If I remember correctly, there is an
alarm in the clubhouse and if anyone lands and doesn't make it to the
top of the hill they all run out and grab the airplane before it slides
off the side of the cliff!

http://www.sia.aviation-
civile.gouv.fr/aip/enligne/PDF_AIPparSSection/VAC/AD/2/0802_AD%
202.LFKX.pdf

The runway length is in meters, so 1300ish feet isn't too bad, but the
elevation ups the ante on that...

You have to have special authorisation to fly there which means training
by the local club. I believe the same applies for Courcheval.

I couldn't find any youtube stuff on it.


Betie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

(Edward A. Falk) wrote in news:fnu64t$pvq$6
@blue.rahul.net:

> In article >,
> Jim Macklin > wrote:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY
>>
>>
>>Swiss Alps in a Baron
>
> I read about that airport once. You need special training before
> you're allowed to use it. The high end of the runway is higher than
> the pattern altitude.
>

Well, I believe you make the approach from mre or less level flight.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in
:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY
>
>
> Swiss Alps in a Baron
>
>

And these are the details for Courcheval.
>|
>
>

http://www.sia.aviation-
civile.gouv.fr/aip/enligne/PDF_AIPparSSection/VAC/AD/2/0802_AD%202.LFLJ.pdf



Bertie

[Stefan]

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

> Well, I believe you make the approach from mre or less level flight.

You believe wrongly.

There are those who comment about piloting without ever having piloted a
real plane, and then there are those who comment about alitports withot
ever having seen one in real.

[Stefan]

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

> I believe the same applies for Courcheval.
>
> I couldn't find any youtube stuff on it.

Correct spelling would certainly help.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:c8bc5$47a30104$54497f22
:

> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
>> Well, I believe you make the approach from mre or less level flight.
>
> You believe wrongly.
>
> There are those who comment about piloting without ever having piloted a
> real plane, and then there are those who comment about alitports withot
> ever having seen one in real.
>

Yeh stefan, you've trolled me good there.

Flown into Meribel or Courcheval, have you?

Tell us all about it.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:56f48$47a30135$54497f22
:

> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
>> I believe the same applies for Courcheval.
>>
>> I couldn't find any youtube stuff on it.
>
> Correct spelling would certainly help.
>

Oooh freche meat.



Bertie

[Stefan]

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

>> There are those who comment about piloting without ever having piloted a
>> real plane, and then there are those who comment about alitports withot
>> ever having seen one in real.
>>
>
> Yeh stefan, you've trolled me good there.
>
> Flown into Meribel or Courcheval, have you?

Yes. Courchevel, Meribel, Alpe d'Huez. Actually, it isn't that hard if
you're used to fly in mountains, to spot landings and have some
knowledge of local wind systems. And being mainly a glider pilot, the
lack of a go around option isn't a real issue, either.

> Tell us all about it.

No. But if you're really interested, nothing prevents you to gain an
"autorisation de site", i.e. the sign-off for one of those alitports. If
you're reasonably current, three hours would should be plenty enough.
One of the clubs below will be happy to help you:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/aeroclub-courchevel/
http://www.adgs.com/C/
http://www.aeroclub-meribel.com/

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stefan > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
>>> There are those who comment about piloting without ever having
>>> piloted a real plane, and then there are those who comment about
>>> alitports withot ever having seen one in real.
>>>
>>
>> Yeh stefan, you've trolled me good there.
>>
>> Flown into Meribel or Courcheval, have you?
>
> Yes. Courchevel, Meribel, Alpe d'Huez. Actually, it isn't that hard if
> you're used to fly in mountains, to spot landings and have some
> knowledge of local wind systems. And being mainly a glider pilot, the
> lack of a go around option isn't a real issue, either.
>
>> Tell us all about it.
>
> No.


Aww, busy counting teeth?

But if you're really interested, nothing prevents you to gain an
> "autorisation de site", i.e. the sign-off for one of those alitports.
> If you're reasonably current, three hours would should be plenty
> enough. One of the clubs below will be happy to help you:
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/aeroclub-courchevel/
> http://www.adgs.com/C/
> http://www.aeroclub-meribel.com/
>

I just might.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

[Stefan]

Ok, I've just found a picture. This is what you see from the cockpit
when you're lined up and ready to firewall the throttle:
http://home.balcab.ch/~stefan/public/Courchevel.jpeg
As you can see, departing from Courcevel is at leas as interesting a
feeling as landing, at least the first time.

The picture also shows that it's really imprtant to know and adhere to
the procedures, an airplane in departing position and one in short final
can't see each other. This alone is reason enough for the need of a
sing-off.

BTW, Courchevel is not the most difficult altiport by far, but it's the
steepest (18% slope). It's also the only which is free from snow in
winter. (But you pay for it with a real high winter landing fee!
Landings in summer are free, though.)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:1402c$47a30a26$54497f22
:

> Ok, I've just found a picture. This is what you see from the cockpit
> when you're lined up and ready to firewall the throttle:
> http://home.balcab.ch/~stefan/public/Courchevel.jpeg
> As you can see, departing from Courcevel is at leas as interesting a
> feeling as landing, at least the first time.
>
> The picture also shows that it's really imprtant to know and adhere to
> the procedures, an airplane in departing position and one in short final
> can't see each other. This alone is reason enough for the need of a
> sing-off.
>

They yodel at you before you go flying?
Colourful!

Bertie

[AJ]

On Jan 31, 7:05 pm, "gatt" > wrote:
> Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. Pretty
> resilient airplane.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>
> Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

Are those comments supposed to indicate a sense of humor? Sounds like
a bigot to me.

[gatt[_2_]]

"James Sleeman" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 1, 1:05 pm, "gatt" > wrote:

> Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

>That's not an emergency landing.
>This is an emergency landing:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SL-CML9xcA&feature=PlayList&p=1B3F25695A14D3D0&index=85


Nice one. I wish the video would have shown the damage to the airplane.

-c

[[email protected]]

On Jan 31, 10:05 pm, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
<mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
> I took a Turbo C-206 out of a 2200' grass strip (Branson Field) on a hillside
> that led downhill directly to Lake Norman in the Pidmont of North Carolina.
> There was a storage building right at the edge of the water so you needed to be
> a good 15 feet in the air as you crossed the shoreline. All takeoffs were
> downhill; all landings were uphill, no matter what the wind was doing. There
> were trees on both sides but the strip was a good 200 feet wide so you didn't
> feel horned in.
>
> I'd never flown a 206 of any kind before and had no checkout. I did have a few
> hundred hours in C-210s so I didn't feel completely out of place. So I cranked
> it up, did my runup at the top of the hill and poured the coal to it. The
> damned seat slid to the rear of its travel!
>
> Talk about a wild ride down the hill towards that storage building. Stopping
> was not an option. I was stretched out trying to keep my feet on the rudder
> pedals so I couldn't see where I was going. At what I hoped was the correct
> time, I staggered into the air and leveled off as soon as I could so that I
> could slide the seat back forward.
>
> All I can say is I was glad nobody saw me. I started paying a lot more
> attention to the seat locking in the track after that.

And that's why Cessna requires a placard on the panel
stating that the pilot must make sure that the seats are positively
locked, and why the FAA has an airworthiness directive against those
rails and locks:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgAD.nsf/0/F9645B32611A4A04862569BA004BC930?OpenDocument
I've seen some pretty ratty rails and seat locks. It's a wonder
there aren't more accidents. The biggest lawsuit in civil aviation
history was due to those stupid things. IIRC, it was a 185 on floats
that reared up right after takeoff, stalled and crashed when the
pilot's seat slid back and he reflexively pulled back on the column.
The seat locks and rails were all shot, but the jury awarded the
plaintiff (the estate?) $450 million anyway. Textron appealed and I
think it'll be in the courts forever. The whole idea that there was a
lawsuit I find annoying, considering that the owner was the pilot,
IIRC, and the owner, by law, is responsible for the proper maintenance
of the airplane. A classic example of why aviation costs so much.

Dan

[Jim Macklin]

I flew a Beech P58 Baron into A-A Ranch in Wyoming many
years ago. The runway was below the snow line in the
summer. There was a 500-1,000 feet of generally level paved
surface, then a 1,000 feet or so of runway that was at a
steep angle, 15-20% if I remember, followed with a generally
level section on the tip of the hill. Airport elevation was
around 9,000 IIRC.

Landing was no problem, but I did have one minor problem
after landing, both engines dies half way up the hill.
Seems that Beech did not use altitude compensating fuel
control units on the airplane. Full rich mixtures for a
possible go-around drowned the engine when the throttles
were closed.

Got it stopped before it began to roll backward down the
runway and did not have it do a tail strike!

Got it re-started and with the mixtures about 1/2 way back
it would idle. Taxied up. I much prefer the King Air, no
mixture control.

If it had not started? I would probably have carefully
tried something "silly" after having the passengers get out.
I was thinking of letting the left brake slip a little so it
would roll backward and I could do a U turn. Then I'd coast
down the hill, keeping the speed down. Glad it started.

There was no mention in the P Baron POH about the mixture
problem at altitude. Same engine in the turbo Baron and
Bonanza. Just keep in mind, full rich until touchdown, half
mixture BEFORE closing the throttles.

I think that airport is closed now, it was in SE Wyoming
north of Denver.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in
news:c8bc5$47a30104$54497f22
| :
|
| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >
| >> Well, I believe you make the approach from mre or less
level flight.
| >
| > You believe wrongly.
| >
| > There are those who comment about piloting without ever
having piloted a
| > real plane, and then there are those who comment about
alitports withot
| > ever having seen one in real.
| >
|
| Yeh stefan, you've trolled me good there.
|
| Flown into Meribel or Courcheval, have you?
|
| Tell us all about it.
|
|
| Bertie

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>I can't even figure out WTF this guy was trying to do! Aside from anything
>else, the driver in the car had to have been a bit worried about getting
>chopped up if it all went wrong..

That's what I was wondering. What exactly was it supposed to look like if
it had gone "right"? Assuming that the plane had been centered, the nose
gear would have come crashing through the windshield. Followed by the prop.
Hard to imagine a good outcome here, even in the best of circumstances.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
Message posted via AviationKB.com
http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200802/1

[Stefan]

Jim Macklin schrieb:

> Airport elevation was around 9,000 IIRC.
....
> Full rich mixtures for a possible go-around

Shaking my head in disbelieve.

> There was no mention in the P Baron POH about the mixture
> problem at altitude.

Of course not. This is basic PP stuff.

> Just keep in mind, full rich until touchdown,

So you haven't learnt your lesson.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:55ab6$47a3a933$54497f22$7207
@news.hispeed.ch:

> Jim Macklin schrieb:
>
>> Airport elevation was around 9,000 IIRC.
> ...
>> Full rich mixtures for a possible go-around
>
> Shaking my head in disbelieve.
>
>> There was no mention in the P Baron POH about the mixture
>> problem at altitude.
>
> Of course not. This is basic PP stuff.
>
>> Just keep in mind, full rich until touchdown,
>
> So you haven't learnt your lesson.
>

Ho'w the tooth count coming?

Bertie

[B A R R Y]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:26:29 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
> wrote:


>
>Got it stopped before it began to roll backward down the
>runway and did not have it do a tail strike!

A few years back, an unoccupied Seneca rolled backwards down an
embankment at Chester, CT, and hit a some really nice cars,
tail-first.

Not pretty... The entire tail section was trashed. A good case could
have been made for rear bumpers on airplanes!

>There was no mention in the P Baron POH about the mixture
>problem at altitude. Same engine in the turbo Baron and
>Bonanza.

My much simpler '76 Sundowner does mention mixture vs. surface
altitude. What year Baron was it?

[[email protected]]

On Feb 1, 5:44*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

We could use some of that over here.

[[email protected]]

On Feb 1, 5:01*pm, "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
> >I can't even figure out WTF this guy was trying to do! Aside from anything
> >else, the driver in the car had to have been a bit worried about getting
> >chopped up if it all went wrong..
>
> * That's what I was wondering. * What exactly was it supposed to look like if
> it had gone "right"? *Assuming that the plane had been centered, the nose
> gear would have come crashing through the windshield. *Followed by the prop.
> Hard to imagine a good outcome here, even in the best of circumstances.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
> --
> Message posted via AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200802/1

Aw come on. Crash helmet tech has really improved in the last 10
years.

He prolly could have taken a wack or two.

I wonder if they were drunk when they thought that stunt up?

[James Sleeman]

On Feb 1, 10:08*pm, William Hung > wrote:

> That "plane" is a Sabre trike, it stalls in the low 20s IIRC. *Try

Where did you see that? Don't think the video showed or mentioned the
aircraft, the closest we got was a shadow of it, and it looked more a
3 axis machine to me, MX or something like it.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

wrote in news:949afeff-966e-47f8-8862-34fb7a4fe4b5
@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 1, 5:44*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
>
> We could use some of that over here.
>

Everywhere!


Bertie

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Edward A. Falk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> gatt > wrote:
>>
>>Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. Pretty
>>resilient airplane.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>
> Dumbasses. It's a miracle that plane didn't flip over or worse.
> Looks like he didn't even have a prop strike. Very very lucky.
>
This video has come up bevore and as I recall, there was no intent to land on
the car - Contrary to what the "commentator" claimed...

What I don't recall is what they were really trying to do before the contact
between the airplane and the car.

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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk At Wow Way D0t C0m> wrote in
news:Ys6dnRWpdJHKEDnanZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@wideopenwest .com:

> "Edward A. Falk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> gatt > wrote:
>>>
>>>Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video.
>>>Pretty resilient airplane.
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>>
>> Dumbasses. It's a miracle that plane didn't flip over or worse.
>> Looks like he didn't even have a prop strike. Very very lucky.
>>
> This video has come up bevore and as I recall, there was no intent to
> land on the car - Contrary to what the "commentator" claimed...
>
> What I don't recall is what they were really trying to do before the
> contact between the airplane and the car.
>

Ah, OK, maybe it was just supposed to be a buzz job or an attempt to pass
something from one vehicle to the other...

Bertie

[Jim Macklin]

It was a mid 80's production, 84 or 85 with the new panel.

The Continental injection system was adapted to
turbocharging. It uses a fixed fuel metering based on rpm,
throttle and mixture setting. There is an upper deck fuel
pressure bleed on the turbo, to raise fuel pressure when the
boost is at above ambient [TO MAP was 39.5 "Hg.] But idle
mixture is set for sea level.

The problem was I had been recently flying another model
with Bendix injection, it has pressure balance mixture
control.

Live and learn.


"B A R R Y" > wrote in
message ...
| On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:26:29 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
| > wrote:
|
|
| >
| >Got it stopped before it began to roll backward down the
| >runway and did not have it do a tail strike!
|
| A few years back, an unoccupied Seneca rolled backwards
down an
| embankment at Chester, CT, and hit a some really nice
cars,
| tail-first.
|
| Not pretty... The entire tail section was trashed. A
good case could
| have been made for rear bumpers on airplanes!
|
| >There was no mention in the P Baron POH about the mixture
| >problem at altitude. Same engine in the turbo Baron and
| >Bonanza.
|
| My much simpler '76 Sundowner does mention mixture vs.
surface
| altitude. What year Baron was it?
|

[Big John]

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:39:29 +0100, Stefan >
wrote:

>Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
>>> There are those who comment about piloting without ever having piloted a
>>> real plane, and then there are those who comment about alitports withot
>>> ever having seen one in real.
>>>
>>
>> Yeh stefan, you've trolled me good there.
>>
>> Flown into Meribel or Courcheval, have you?
>
>Yes. Courchevel, Meribel, Alpe d'Huez. Actually, it isn't that hard if
>you're used to fly in mountains, to spot landings and have some
>knowledge of local wind systems. And being mainly a glider pilot, the
>lack of a go around option isn't a real issue, either.
>
>> Tell us all about it.
>
>No. But if you're really interested, nothing prevents you to gain an
>"autorisation de site", i.e. the sign-off for one of those alitports. If
>you're reasonably current, three hours would should be plenty enough.
>One of the clubs below will be happy to help you:
>http://pagesperso-orange.fr/aeroclub-courchevel/
>http://www.adgs.com/C/
>http://www.aeroclub-meribel.com/


************************************************** *************

Stefan

Please explain to me the problem in landing up hill and taking off
down hill.

Big John

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 1, 8:47*pm, James Sleeman > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:08*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > That "plane" is a Sabre trike, it stalls in the low 20s IIRC. *Try
>
> Where did you see that? *Don't think the video showed or mentioned the
> aircraft, the closest we got was a shadow of it, and it looked more a
> 3 axis machine to me, MX or something like it.

I watched the author's videos and read most of the comments and also I
too have a trike and I can see the pentulum effect half way thru his
video. I also happen to know that he is an ultralight pilot and that
he has a Sabre trike. He doesn't have a PPL.

Wil

[James Sleeman]

On Feb 3, 4:53*pm, William Hung > wrote:

> I watched the author's videos and read most of the comments and also I

I'll believe you, but the shadow of the aircraft on the film looks
distinctly like a square wing to me, which is why I thought 1st gen 3
axis ultralight like an [Quicksilver] MX. Must have been an optical
illusion I guess.

End of the day, doesn't matter and I don't even know why I'm debating
the point, it was obviously a fully open ultralight aircraft of some
description, and even that doesn't matter, because it's an aircraft
making an emergency landing which is exactly what I posted the video
as an example of.

> He doesn't have a PPL.

I didn't suggest he did. Neither do I.

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 2, 11:57*pm, James Sleeman > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 4:53*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > I watched the author's videos and read most of the comments and also I
>
> I'll believe you, but the shadow of the aircraft on the film looks
> distinctly like a square wing to me, which is why I thought 1st gen 3
> axis ultralight like an [Quicksilver] MX. *Must have been an optical
> illusion I guess.
>
> End of the day, doesn't matter and I don't even know why I'm debating
> the point, it was obviously a fully open ultralight aircraft of some
> description, and even that doesn't matter, because it's an aircraft
> making an emergency landing which is exactly what I posted the video
> as an example of.
>
> > He doesn't have a PPL.
>
> I didn't suggest he did. *Neither do I.

Yeah, I'm not here to debate that either. Just wanted to add my
observations.

Wil

[Al G[_1_]]

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
...
> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFNFZq2BFY
>>>
>>>
>>> Swiss Alps in a Baron
>>
>> I read about that airport once. You need special training before
>> you're allowed to use it. The high end of the runway is higher than
>> the pattern altitude.
>
>
> I took a Turbo C-206 out of a 2200' grass strip (Branson Field) on a
> hillside that led downhill directly to Lake Norman in the Pidmont of North
> Carolina. There was a storage building right at the edge of the water so
> you needed to be a good 15 feet in the air as you crossed the shoreline.
> All takeoffs were downhill; all landings were uphill, no matter what the
> wind was doing. There were trees on both sides but the strip was a good
> 200 feet wide so you didn't feel horned in.
>
> I'd never flown a 206 of any kind before and had no checkout. I did have
> a few hundred hours in C-210s so I didn't feel completely out of place.
> So I cranked it up, did my runup at the top of the hill and poured the
> coal to it. The damned seat slid to the rear of its travel!
>
> Talk about a wild ride down the hill towards that storage building.
> Stopping was not an option. I was stretched out trying to keep my feet on
> the rudder pedals so I couldn't see where I was going. At what I hoped
> was the correct time, I staggered into the air and leveled off as soon as
> I could so that I could slide the seat back forward.
>
> All I can say is I was glad nobody saw me. I started paying a lot more
> attention to the seat locking in the track after that.
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
>
And the T206 has a healthy requirement for right rudder. How tall are
you Mortimer?

Al G

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Jan 31, 7:05*pm, "gatt" > wrote:
> Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. *Pretty
> resilient airplane.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related
>
> Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

gatt,

If you liked that landing, I think you'll really like this landing. I
suppose these guys do this day in and day out up there in Alaska, they
are bound to get good at it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1PWMKjgr24&feature=related

WIl

[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article
>,
William Hung > wrote:

> On Jan 31, 7:05*pm, "gatt" > wrote:
> > Too bad about the comments, but, this is an interesting video. *Pretty
> > resilient airplane.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcURmi2wS7o&feature=related


I would have to list this under "Stupid Pilot Tricks." I agree that the
airplane was very resilient, but would order a complete inspection of
the airframe, a new engine and prop and a license revocation for the
pilot.



> >
> > Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
>
> gatt,
>
> If you liked that landing, I think you'll really like this landing. I
> suppose these guys do this day in and day out up there in Alaska, they
> are bound to get good at it.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1PWMKjgr24&feature=related
>

Quite a task!

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[gatt[_2_]]

"William Hung" > wrote in message
news:f104ade5-e5e2-4f05-959a-

> Awesome landing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related

>gatt,
>
>If you liked that landing, I think you'll really like this landing. I
>suppose these guys do this day in and day out up there in Alaska, they
>are bound to get good at it.
>
>http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1PWMKjgr24&feature=related


Thanks for the link. Those guys make it look -way- too easy!

-c

[Sinnerman]

Actually Mortimer, this airstrip (Southern Seaplanes) is still there,
and operational. The runway is 40ft wide, and in rather bad condition
(bumpy).

Fun place to fly into though, I was there in Novermber.


On Jan 31, 10:46*pm, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
<mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
> Edward A. Falk wrote:
> >> Awesome landing:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y214xo7WasQ&feature=related
>
> > I was once given a landing on a runway about that wide, with a dogleg
> > in it during my primary training. *No trees though. *This one, however,
> > I'm not sure I'd want to try even today.
>
> I made the straightest landing of my career in a Piper Arrow at a seaplane base
> down in New Orleans called Westwego. *It had a relatively short, very narrow
> runway alongside the waterway. *How narrow was it? *You know how when you flare,
> the runway spreads out on either side of you?
>
> This one didn't. *The airport is closed now... you have to wonder why.
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com