SeeYou Mobile 3 FLARM Feature and Team Flying?

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Has anyone else looked at the new SeeYou 3.0 feature which allows you
to track a certain FLARM unit? This would seem to allow for real-time
location of teammates in competitions. Is this the first piece of
software to have this function? If not, how have you Europeans been
dealing with what seems to be a game-changing development?

2C

[kirk.stant]

On Feb 4, 9:46*am, "
> wrote:
> Has anyone else looked at the new SeeYou 3.0 feature which allows you
> to track a certain FLARM unit? *This would seem to allow for real-time
> location of teammates in competitions. *Is this the first piece of
> software to have this function? *If not, how have you Europeans been
> dealing with what seems to be a game-changing development?
>
> 2C

I tried loading SYM 3.0 over 2.75 on my iPAQ 3750 and got some weird
results - random digits at upper left corner of map, incorrect current
time in local time navbox, missing Thermal Assistant button on menu
page, etc. Anyone else have upgrade issues?

I restored my device by simply reloading the older 2.75 seeyou.exe
files into the PDA and all returned to normal.

Bug alert?

Kirk
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[Andrej Kolar]

Kirk - you've been too quick :) Please reload version 3 and it will be
fine.

But let's not take our eyes off Kevin's question.

[JS]

On Feb 4, 7:46 am, "
> wrote:
> Is this the first piece of
> software to have this function? If not, how have you Europeans been
> dealing with what seems to be a game-changing development?
>
> 2C

OZFLARMS (and probably the original ones) will overlay position
reports on XC Soar (including Altair), SeeYou, and WinPilot.
The range is about 3 kilometers, so don't get too far from your
competitor or team mate if you really want to LEACH (bold, underline,
italics).
Have heard of a proposed "Competition Mode" which will de-sensitize
the distant positions... But fail to see the point of mandating FLARM
in competitions, where the chance of collision is pretty high, then
partially shutting it off.
Jim

[Henryk Birecki]

" > wrote:

>Has anyone else looked at the new SeeYou 3.0 feature which allows you
>to track a certain FLARM unit? This would seem to allow for real-time
>location of teammates in competitions. Is this the first piece of
>software to have this function? If not, how have you Europeans been
>dealing with what seems to be a game-changing development?


Depends on what you mean as real time.. and tracking. GPS_LOG (maybe
some other software) had display of FLARM objects in range for very
long time on TCAS display which you could have used for tracking.
GPS_LOG, WinPilot and SeeYou have a team flying feature where position
is announced to the teammmates by voice radio and is "encoded".
GPS_LOG is has settings to make it compatible with both SeeYou and
WinPilot. Does anyone use these features is another story.

Cheers,
Henryk Birecki

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On Feb 4, 12:14 pm, Henryk Birecki > wrote:
> " > wrote:
> >Has anyone else looked at the new SeeYou 3.0 feature which allows you
> >to track a certain FLARM unit? This would seem to allow for real-time
> >location of teammates in competitions. Is this the first piece of
> >software to have this function? If not, how have you Europeans been
> >dealing with what seems to be a game-changing development?
>
> Depends on what you mean as real time.. and tracking. GPS_LOG (maybe
> some other software) had display of FLARM objects in range for very
> long time on TCAS display which you could have used for tracking.
> GPS_LOG, WinPilot and SeeYou have a team flying feature where position
> is announced to the teammmates by voice radio and is "encoded".
> GPS_LOG is has settings to make it compatible with both SeeYou and
> WinPilot. Does anyone use these features is another story.
>
> Cheers,
> Henryk Birecki

Henryk,

The difference here (I think) is that unlike the previous SeeYou team
flying feature, which required the pilot to input data from a friend
setup to give such data, or previous FLARM implementations, where you
could visualize other aircraft but did not know whom was whom, the new
implementation tracks a specific airplane, which could be a teammate
or a member of another team. This seems to be a fairly substantial
development.

2C

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Nearly similar discussion is going on on segelflug.de
Started because of the nice features the "FLARM Butterfly Display"
has.

This displays is in my eyes, as a non competition pilot, a real nice
gadget.
Hello Henryk, whats about transferring this in GPS_LOG.
Problem is, that in competition other pilots might have advantage from
the information flarm sends when privacy is "off"
Remember even when privacy is on, the flarm sends all information
needed for collision warning.
As i understand the butterfly system, they do not show on their
display information about relevant data as climbrate and so on, if the
pilot using the butterfly sytem has its flarm in the privacy "on". I
think thats fair.
Butterfly states that the wheter the privacy was on that day can
simply be read out at the end of the day.So if on a competition the
rule says "no pricay" this could easily be checked at the end of the
day.
As in Germany even competition have to fly in crowded airspace, only
thinking about competition pilots is not enough as every other pilot
around gets not full information when privacy is on.
Cheers
Ruediger







On 4 Feb., 18:14, Henryk Birecki > wrote:
> " > wrote:
> >Has anyone else looked at the new SeeYou 3.0 feature which allows you
> >to track a certain FLARM unit? This would seem to allow for real-time
> >location of teammates in competitions. Is this the first piece of
> >software to have this function? If not, how have you Europeans been
> >dealing with what seems to be a game-changing development?
>
> Depends on what you mean as real time.. and tracking. GPS_LOG (maybe
> some other software) had display of FLARM objects in range for very
> long time on TCAS display which you could have used for tracking.
> GPS_LOG, WinPilot and SeeYou have a team flying feature where position
> is announced to the teammmates by voice radio and is "encoded".
> GPS_LOG is has settings to make it compatible with both SeeYou and
> WinPilot. Does anyone use these features is another story.
>
> Cheers,
> Henryk Birecki

[kirk.stant]

On Feb 4, 10:53*am, Andrej Kolar > wrote:
> Kirk - you've been too quick :) Please reload version 3 and it will be
> fine.
>
> But let's not take our eyes off Kevin's question.


Ok Andrej - I'll try again and let you know if I still have problems.
As a software tester in real life, I know how it is!

Sure wish we had a FLARM - like sensor in the US.

Any thoughts on reading the output of a transponder detector (like a
Zaon MRX) and putting that on the SeeYouMobile map (poor man's TCAS)?

Kirk

[Henryk Birecki]

wrote:

>Nearly similar discussion is going on on segelflug.de
>Started because of the nice features the "FLARM Butterfly Display"
>has.
>
>This displays is in my eyes, as a non competition pilot, a real nice
>gadget.
>Hello Henryk, whats about transferring this in GPS_LOG.

I am not sure what the butterfly display has that GPS_LOG does not,
other than bold numbers for one (?) target. Maybe we can take this
discussion off-line.

Cheers,
Henryk

[Paul Remde]

Hi Kirk,

My guess is that we will have a FLARM like device that uses ADS-B available
in the USA in 1 to 2 years.

The meeting at the SSA Convention on Wed. is on that very subject and we
have industry leaders attending and presenting. I'm very excited about it.

Paul Remde

"kirk.stant" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 4, 10:53 am, Andrej Kolar > wrote:
> Kirk - you've been too quick :) Please reload version 3 and it will be
> fine.
>
> But let's not take our eyes off Kevin's question.


Ok Andrej - I'll try again and let you know if I still have problems.
As a software tester in real life, I know how it is!

Sure wish we had a FLARM - like sensor in the US.

Any thoughts on reading the output of a transponder detector (like a
Zaon MRX) and putting that on the SeeYouMobile map (poor man's TCAS)?

Kirk

[Andrej Kolar]

> Any thoughts on reading the output of a transponder detector (like a
> Zaon MRX) and putting that on the SeeYouMobile map (poor man's TCAS)?

If MRX can send position report about all targets received, then yes,
we could. But the MRX as far as I can tell only delivers distance but
not direction to target. Looking forward to the SSA Conference myself.