Brakes?

[WingFlaps]

Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
both. What should I do???

Cheers

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WingFlaps > wrote:
> Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
> light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
> both. What should I do???

If you find yourself chasing the airplane across the ramp, the brakes
should probably be on.

Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
chokes are for.

Some people have the notion they should never be used.

If that were so, why did the manufacturer put them on in the first place?

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Jim Pennino

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[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
> chokes are for.

Chokes?

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:

> > Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
> > chokes are for.

> Chokes?

typo
n. pl. typos Informal
A typographical error.


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[WingFlaps]

On Feb 10, 5:15*pm, wrote:
> WingFlaps > wrote:
> > Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
> > light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
> > both. What should I do???
>
> If you find yourself chasing the airplane across the ramp, the brakes
> should probably be on.
>
> Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
> chokes are for.
>

I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.

Cheers

[buttman]

On Feb 10, 1:15 am, WingFlaps > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:15 pm, wrote:
>
> > WingFlaps > wrote:
> > > Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
> > > light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
> > > both. What should I do???
>
> > If you find yourself chasing the airplane across the ramp, the brakes
> > should probably be on.
>
> > Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
> > chokes are for.
>
> I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.
>
> Cheers

I fueled light planes dozens of times, at dozens of airports. I've
never used the parking brake ever. If the pump happens to be on an
incline, I'll either find chocks, or once I had my student hold the
plane by the prop while I fueled because we couldn't find any chocks
laying around.

[buttman]

On Feb 9, 9:15 pm, wrote:
>
> Some people have the notion they should never be used.
>
> If that were so, why did the manufacturer put them on in the first place?
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

1. Over time they have the tendency to stick, which can be a problem
when taking off from a short runway.

2. At big airports, tug drivers sometimes think they can just move any
plane they want if it's in their way. If your parking brake is set,
it'll get ruined this way.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> writes:
>
>> Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
>> chokes are for.
>
> Chokes?
>

It's when they lie you down on the ramp and put a tire up against your
throat. Go try it!

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

buttman > wrote in news:66ddbfb4-cde0-42bf-bad7-
:

> On Feb 10, 1:15 am, WingFlaps > wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 5:15 pm, wrote:
>>
>> > WingFlaps > wrote:
>> > > Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for
a
>> > > light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons
for
>> > > both. What should I do???
>>
>> > If you find yourself chasing the airplane across the ramp, the
brakes
>> > should probably be on.
>>
>> > Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
>> > chokes are for.
>>
>> I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.
>>
>> Cheers
>
> I fueled light planes dozens of times, at dozens of airports. I've
> never used the parking brake ever.


You're a hero, you are.

If the pump happens to be on an
> incline, I'll either find chocks, or once I had my student hold the
> plane by the prop while I fueled because we couldn't find any chocks
> laying around.
>

Oh wait, you're an idiot.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

buttman > wrote in
:

> On Feb 9, 9:15 pm, wrote:
>>
>> Some people have the notion they should never be used.
>>
>> If that were so, why did the manufacturer put them on in the first
>> place?
>>
>> --
>> Jim Pennino
>>
>> Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> 1. Over time they have the tendency to stick, which can be a problem
> when taking off from a short runway.
>
> 2. At big airports, tug drivers sometimes think they can just move any
> plane they want if it's in their way. If your parking brake is set,
> it'll get ruined this way.
>


Oh brother.


Bertie

[buttman]

On Feb 10, 7:52 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> Oh wait, you're an idiot.
>
> Bertie

PKB

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 9, 10:39*pm, WingFlaps > wrote:
> Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
> light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
> both. What should I do???
>
> Cheers

WF,

I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
lol My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:a7c77b12-90d8-4649-871f-
:

> On Feb 10, 7:52 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> Oh wait, you're an idiot.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> PKB
>

I'm not an idiot and you know it.

We both know you are though, don't we?

Bertie

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"William Hung" > wrote in message
...
>
> I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
> lol My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.
>

Did your CFI also fail to point out the POH, or did you just never notice it
existed as well?

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 10, 11:25*am, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
wrote:
> "William Hung" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
> > lol *My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.
>
> Did your CFI also fail to point out the POH, or did you just never notice it
> existed as well?

I have the POH for it, C150/2, but haven't really gotten into it yet.
Unlike many here, I'm very new at this Steven.

I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
before I can join all you guys? lol

Wil

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WingFlaps > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:15?pm, wrote:
> > WingFlaps > wrote:
> > > Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
> > > light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
> > > both. What should I do???
> >
> > If you find yourself chasing the airplane across the ramp, the brakes
> > should probably be on.
> >
> > Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
> > chokes are for.
> >

> I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.

What do you think is particular about refueling as opposed to any
other sort of short term parking other than attaching a static
ground to the airplane?

If you are alone with no one around to restrain the airplane, stop
the engine and release the brakes.

If the airplanes starts to roll, apply the parking brakes while you
restrain the airplane.

If it doesn't roll, don't apply the parking brakes.

I just don't see why you stopped makes the slightest difference.

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[Mxsmanic]

William Hung writes:

> I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
> in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
> wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
> before I can join all you guys? lol

Just bend over when you are told to, and maybe you can eventually visit the
treehouse club.

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 10, 11:55*am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> William Hung writes:
> > I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
> > in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. *Perhaps I should
> > wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
> > before I can join all you guys? lol
>
> Just bend over when you are told to, and maybe you can eventually visit the
> treehouse club.

Sorry I don't bend over for anyone, no offense to your kind, but I'm
straight.

Wil

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William Hung > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 11:25?am, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
> wrote:
> > "William Hung" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > > I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
> > > lol ?My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.
> >
> > Did your CFI also fail to point out the POH, or did you just never notice it
> > existed as well?

> I have the POH for it, C150/2, but haven't really gotten into it yet.
> Unlike many here, I'm very new at this Steven.

> I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
> in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
> wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
> before I can join all you guys? lol

My instructor made me read the POH for the airplane we used cover to
cover and quizzed me on it.

If your's hasn't done that, you should do it on your own and have the
instructor explain anything you don't understand.


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[Bob Gardner]

Don't feel bad. The misspelling most often seen in newsgroups is "chalks."

Bob Gardner
> wrote in message
...
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> writes:
>
>> > Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
>> > chokes are for.
>
>> Chokes?
>
> typo
> n. pl. typos Informal
> A typographical error.
>
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"William Hung" > wrote in message
...
>
> I have the POH for it, C150/2, but haven't really gotten into it yet.
> Unlike many here, I'm very new at this Steven.
>
> I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
> in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
> wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
> before I can join all you guys? lol
>

You should wait until you've read the manual before operating the airplane.
No laughter at all.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Feb 10, 11:25*am, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
> wrote:
>> "William Hung" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
>> > lol *My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really
>> > noticed.
>>
>> Did your CFI also fail to point out the POH, or did you just never
>> notice
> it
>> existed as well?
>
> I have the POH for it, C150/2, but haven't really gotten into it yet.
> Unlike many here, I'm very new at this Steven.
>
> I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
> in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
> wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
> before I can join all you guys? lol


Seems to me you've joined!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> William Hung writes:
>
>> I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
>> in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
>> wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
>> before I can join all you guys? lol
>
> Just bend over when you are told to, and maybe you can eventually
> visit the treehouse club.

Yuor treehouse or mine, k00kie boi?

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

wrote in :

> WingFlaps > wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 5:15?pm, wrote:
>> > WingFlaps > wrote:
>> > > Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
>> > > light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
>> > > both. What should I do???
>> >
>> > If you find yourself chasing the airplane across the ramp, the brakes
>> > should probably be on.
>> >
>> > Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
>> > chokes are for.
>> >
>
>> I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.
>
> What do you think is particular about refueling as opposed to any
> other sort of short term parking other than attaching a static
> ground to the airplane?
>
> If you are alone with no one around to restrain the airplane, stop
> the engine and release the brakes.
>
> If the airplanes starts to roll, apply the parking brakes while you
> restrain the airplane.
>
> If it doesn't roll, don't apply the parking brakes.
>
> I just don't see why you stopped makes the slightest difference.
>

I don't either.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Bob Gardner" > wrote in
:

> Don't feel bad. The misspelling most often seen in newsgroups is
> "chalks."

Cohkcs.


Just for a bit of variety.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in
:

>
> "William Hung" > wrote in message
> ..
> .
>>
>> I have the POH for it, C150/2, but haven't really gotten into it yet.
>> Unlike many here, I'm very new at this Steven.
>>
>> I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
>> in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
>> wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
>> before I can join all you guys? lol
>>
>
> You should wait until you've read the manual before operating the
> airplane. No laughter at all.
>
>
>

I suggested that to an FAA inspector who jumped into our B4 and asked me
what the Va was and he told me "Stop being a wiseass, sonny, and tell me
what I want to know"


Bertie

[Thomas Borchert]

WingFlaps,

> I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.
>

What's the difference?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

William,

> I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
> lol My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.
>

Sorry, but not funny. And don't misunderstand people here, they mean
well with you. Because, if you only ever do, think and understand what
your CFI points out, you're an accident waiting to happen. You need to
take the initiative and learn for yourself. Besides, if your CFI
doesn't make you read the POH before you fly the plane, you might just
need a new one.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Thomas Borchert > wrote in
:

> William,
>
>> I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
>> lol My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.
>>
>
> Sorry, but not funny. And don't misunderstand people here, they mean
> well with you. Because, if you only ever do, think and understand what
> your CFI points out, you're an accident waiting to happen. You need to
> take the initiative and learn for yourself. Besides, if your CFI
> doesn't make you read the POH before you fly the plane, you might just
> need a new one.
>

POH or instructor?


Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

William Hung writes:

> Sorry I don't bend over for anyone, no offense to your kind, but I'm
> straight.

I'm not a member of the club.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> William Hung writes:
>
>> Sorry I don't bend over for anyone, no offense to your kind, but I'm
>> straight.
>
> I'm not a member of the club.

Sure you are. Very small membership though unless you count your
affiliates.

Bertie
>

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John Smith > wrote:
> When I fill the Champ's tank I usually stand on the right tire with both
> feet and the fuel hose over my right shoulder.
> Most of the ramps have a level pad adjacent to the fuel pumps, so
> rolling backward usually isn't a problem unless it is a very windy day.
> On those occassions, I use one or two chocks.
> Usually, I just stand on the tire and roll the airplane forward or
> backward as need be.

How do you do that with a low wing with wheel pants?

This I gotta see.


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[muff528]

> Some people have the notion they should never be used.
>
> If that were so, why did the manufacturer put them on in the first place?
>


They are there so the floater doesn't break his teeth on the strut when his
foot slips off of the wheel while he is trying to stand on it. At least
that's what brakes are for on a 182.
Geez, I thought everyone knew that! :-)

BS, TonyP.

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 10, 1:18*pm, Thomas Borchert >
wrote:
> William,
>
> > I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
> > lol *My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.
>
> Sorry, but not funny. And don't misunderstand people here, they mean
> well with you. Because, if you only ever do, think and understand what
> your CFI points out, you're an accident waiting to happen. You need to
> take the initiative and learn for yourself. Besides, if your CFI
> doesn't make you read the POH before you fly the plane, you might just
> need a new one.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I'm laughing, but rest assured, I'm heading the warnings by Steven and
the rest at the same time. I do appreciate the inputs from everyone.

Wil

[buttman]

On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> Bertie

Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-b17d-
:

> On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>

Actualy, it's not.

What it is is proof you can't read.


Bertie

[buttman]

On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-b17d-
> :
>
> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>
> Actualy, it's not.
>
> What it is is proof you can't read.
>
> Bertie

no, YOU can't read

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-8ec3-
:

> On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-b17d-
>> :
>>
>> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>
>> Actualy, it's not.
>>
>> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> no, YOU can't read
>


No, YOU cant read.

Bertie

[buttman]

On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-8ec3-
> :
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-b17d-
> >> :
>
> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>
> >> Actualy, it's not.
>
> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > no, YOU can't read
>
> No, YOU cant read.
>
> Bertie

No, YOU cant read

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-a43b-
:

> On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-8ec3-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-b17d-
>> >> :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>
>> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>
>> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > no, YOU can't read
>>
>> No, YOU cant read.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> No, YOU cant read

No, YOU can't read.


Bertie
>

[buttman]

On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-a43b-
> :
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-8ec3-
> >> :
>
> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-b17d-
> >> >> :
>
> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>
> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>
> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>
> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> > no, YOU can't read
>
> >> No, YOU cant read.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > No, YOU cant read
>
> No, YOU can't read.
>
> Bertie
>
>

No, YOU can't read.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-abca-
:

> On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-a43b-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-8ec3-
>> >> :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-
b17d-
>> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>
>> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>
>> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>
>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> > no, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> No, YOU cant read.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > No, YOU cant read
>>
>> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>
> No, YOU can't read.
>

No, YOU can't read


Bertie

[buttman]

On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-abca-
> :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-a43b-
> >> :
>
> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-8ec3-
> >> >> :
>
> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-4b91-
> b17d-
> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>
> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>
> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>
> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>
> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>
> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> > No, YOU cant read
>
> >> No, YOU can't read.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > No, YOU can't read.
>
> No, YOU can't read
>
> Bertie

No, YOU can't read

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-a8a5-
:

> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-abca-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-a43b-
>> >> :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-
8ec3-
>> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-
4b91-
>> b17d-
>> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>
>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>
>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>
>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>>
>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>>
>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>> Bertie
>
> No, YOU can't read
>

No, YOU can't read.


Bertie

[buttman[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-a8a5-
> :
>
>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-abca-
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-
a43b-
>>> >> :
>>>
>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-
> 8ec3-
>>> >> >> :
>>>
>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-
> 4b91-
>>> b17d-
>>> >> >> >> :
>>>
>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>>
>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>>>
>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>>
>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>>>
>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>>>
>>> >> >> Bertie
>>>
>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>>>
>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>>
>>> >> Bertie
>>>
>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>>>
>>> No, YOU can't read
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>
> No, YOU can't read.

No, I can't read

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

buttman wrote:
> On Feb 9, 9:15 pm, wrote:
>> Some people have the notion they should never be used.
>>
>> If that were so, why did the manufacturer put them on in the first place?
>>
>> --
>> Jim Pennino
>>
>> Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> 1. Over time they have the tendency to stick, which can be a problem
> when taking off from a short runway.

If your brakes stick in the amount of time it takes fuel. Get them
fixed. If you can't tell in during the taxi to take-off then you
shouldn't have a problem.


>
> 2. At big airports, tug drivers sometimes think they can just move any
> plane they want if it's in their way. If your parking brake is set,
> it'll get ruined this way.


See issue #1. Well, that's one way to get your brakes fixed.

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

William Hung wrote:
> On Feb 10, 11:25 am, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
> wrote:
>> "William Hung" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
>>> lol My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.
>> Did your CFI also fail to point out the POH, or did you just never notice it
>> existed as well?
>
> I have the POH for it, C150/2, but haven't really gotten into it yet.
> Unlike many here, I'm very new at this Steven.
>
> I don't have as much to contribute, but at the same time I like to be
> in the conversation if that's not too much to ask. Perhaps I should
> wait until I get my CFII, ATP, 747 rating or an astronauts license
> before I can join all you guys? lol
>
> Wil

No but you should take time to read the POH. It ain't that long.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:fopo3r$1of$4
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-a8a5-
>> :
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-abca-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-
> a43b-
>>>> >> :
>>>>
>>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-
>> 8ec3-
>>>> >> >> :
>>>>
>>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-
>> 4b91-
>>>> b17d-
>>>> >> >> >> :
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>>>>
>>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>>>>
>>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>>>
>>>> >> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>>>>
>>>> No, YOU can't read
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> No, YOU can't read
>>>
>>
>> No, YOU can't read.
>
> No, I can't read
>
Yes, YOU can't read.


Bertie

[buttman]

On Feb 11, 8:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote in news:fopo3r$1of$4
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> >> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-a8a5-
> >> :
>
> >>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-abca-
> >>>> :
>
> >>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-
> > a43b-
> >>>> >> :
>
> >>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-44f0-
> >> 8ec3-
> >>>> >> >> :
>
> >>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-0a6a-
> >> 4b91-
> >>>> b17d-
> >>>> >> >> >> :
>
> >>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
> >>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> >>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> >>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>
> >>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>
> >>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>
> >>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>
> >>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>
> >>>> >> >> Bertie
>
> >>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>
> >>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>
> >>>> >> Bertie
>
> >>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>
> >>>> No, YOU can't read
>
> >>>> Bertie
>
> >>> No, YOU can't read
>
> >> No, YOU can't read.
>
> > No, I can't read
>
> Yes, YOU can't read.
>
> Bertie

Yes, I can read.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:41d223e7-5299-46ae-8ac9-
:

> On Feb 11, 8:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote in news:fopo3r$1of$4
>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
>> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>> >> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-a8a5-
>> >> :
>>
>> >>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-
abca-
>> >>>> :
>>
>> >>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-
>> > a43b-
>> >>>> >> :
>>
>> >>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-
44f0-
>> >> 8ec3-
>> >>>> >> >> :
>>
>> >>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-
0a6a-
>> >> 4b91-
>> >>>> b17d-
>> >>>> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>>
>> >>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>>
>> >>>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>>
>> >>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >>>> >> Bertie
>>
>> >>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >>>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>> >>>> Bertie
>>
>> >>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> > No, I can't read
>>
>> Yes, YOU can't read.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Yes, I can read.
>

No, YOU can;t read

[buttman]

On Feb 11, 8:19 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote in news:41d223e7-5299-46ae-8ac9-
> :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 8:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> buttman > wrote in news:fopo3r$1of$4
> >> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
> >> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-a8a5-
> >> >> :
>
> >> >>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-
> abca-
> >> >>>> :
>
> >> >>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-4045-
> >> > a43b-
> >> >>>> >> :
>
> >> >>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-d841-
> 44f0-
> >> >> 8ec3-
> >> >>>> >> >> :
>
> >> >>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-
> 0a6a-
> >> >> 4b91-
> >> >>>> b17d-
> >> >>>> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>
> >> >>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>
> >> >>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>
> >> >>>> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>
> >> >>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>
> >> >>>> >> Bertie
>
> >> >>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>
> >> >>>> No, YOU can't read
>
> >> >>>> Bertie
>
> >> >>> No, YOU can't read
>
> >> >> No, YOU can't read.
>
> >> > No, I can't read
>
> >> Yes, YOU can't read.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > Yes, I can read.
>
> No, YOU can;t read

I see you're really getting a kick out of this...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:5d44a8de-0fab-452b-b1fe-
:

> On Feb 11, 8:19 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote in news:41d223e7-5299-46ae-8ac9-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 8:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> buttman > wrote in news:fopo3r$1of$4
>> >> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
>> >> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-
a8a5-
>> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-
>> abca-
>> >> >>>> :
>>
>> >> >>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-
4045-
>> >> > a43b-
>> >> >>>> >> :
>>
>> >> >>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-
d841-
>> 44f0-
>> >> >> 8ec3-
>> >> >>>> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-
>> 0a6a-
>> >> >> 4b91-
>> >> >>>> b17d-
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>>
>> >> >>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> >>>> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> >>>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> >>>> Bertie
>>
>> >> >>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> > No, I can't read
>>
>> >> Yes, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > Yes, I can read.
>>
>> No, YOU can;t read
>
> I see you're really getting a kick out of this...
>

Of course. Watching someone as dumb as you self destruct is always a
blast.


Bertie

[buttman]

On Feb 11, 9:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote in news:5d44a8de-0fab-452b-b1fe-
> :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 8:19 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> buttman > wrote in news:41d223e7-5299-46ae-8ac9-
> >> :
>
> >> > On Feb 11, 8:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:fopo3r$1of$4
> >> >> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
> >> >> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-4e92-
> a8a5-
> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-48d0-
> >> abca-
> >> >> >>>> :
>
> >> >> >>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-6e1f-
> 4045-
> >> >> > a43b-
> >> >> >>>> >> :
>
> >> >> >>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-
> d841-
> >> 44f0-
> >> >> >> 8ec3-
> >> >> >>>> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:edbde773-
> >> 0a6a-
> >> >> >> 4b91-
> >> >> >>>> b17d-
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> >>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>
> >> >> >>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>
> >> >> >>>> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> >>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>
> >> >> >>>> No, YOU can't read
>
> >> >> >>>> Bertie
>
> >> >> >>> No, YOU can't read
>
> >> >> >> No, YOU can't read.
>
> >> >> > No, I can't read
>
> >> >> Yes, YOU can't read.
>
> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> > Yes, I can read.
>
> >> No, YOU can;t read
>
> > I see you're really getting a kick out of this...
>
> Of course. Watching someone as dumb as you self destruct is always a
> blast.
>
> Bertie

self-destruct? what on earth are you on...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

buttman > wrote in news:69104fc6-d0dd-4115-88a0-
:

> On Feb 11, 9:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote in news:5d44a8de-0fab-452b-b1fe-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 8:19 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> buttman > wrote in news:41d223e7-5299-46ae-8ac9-
>> >> :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 11, 8:08 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:fopo3r$1of$4
>> >> >> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fopnsu$1of$2
>> >> >> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:b26f3450-6904-
4e92-
>> a8a5-
>> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >>> On Feb 11, 7:47 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> buttman > wrote in news:36c04f49-866f-
48d0-
>> >> abca-
>> >> >> >>>> :
>>
>> >> >> >>>> > On Feb 11, 7:32 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >> buttman > wrote in news:737d408b-
6e1f-
>> 4045-
>> >> >> > a43b-
>> >> >> >>>> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> > On Feb 11, 6:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> buttman > wrote in news:67956c1b-
>> d841-
>> >> 44f0-
>> >> >> >> 8ec3-
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> buttman > wrote in
news:edbde773-
>> >> 0a6a-
>> >> >> >> 4b91-
>> >> >> >>>> b17d-
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > On Feb 10, 9:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip <A...
@AA.AA>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> I'm not an idiot and you know it.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> We both know you are though, don't we?
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh boy. an IKYABWAI poast.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> Actualy, it's not.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> What it is is proof you can't read.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > no, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> No, YOU cant read.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> > No, YOU cant read
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> >>>> > No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> >> >>>> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> >>> No, YOU can't read
>>
>> >> >> >> No, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> >> > No, I can't read
>>
>> >> >> Yes, YOU can't read.
>>
>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> > Yes, I can read.
>>
>> >> No, YOU can;t read
>>
>> > I see you're really getting a kick out of this...
>>
>> Of course. Watching someone as dumb as you self destruct is always a
>> blast.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> self-destruct? what on earth are you on...

Usenet.


Bertie
>

[Aratzio]

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:36:47 -0800 (PST), in alt.usenet.kooks, buttman
> bloviated:

>
>what on earth are you on...

That would be earth.

You ever read what you write?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Aratzio > wrote in
:

> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:36:47 -0800 (PST), in alt.usenet.kooks, buttman
> > bloviated:
>
>>
>>what on earth are you on...
>
> That would be earth.
>
> You ever read what you write?
>

It's like watching Wile E Coyote look around right after he runs off a
cliff..


Bertie

[Dallas]

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), WingFlaps wrote:

> Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
> light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
> both. What should I do???

One day as a student I went out to preflight the airplane before the
instructor came out.

I saw the parking brake and realized I'd never operated it before so I gave
it a good pull. Well, it worked find... but it also wouldn't release.

The instructor came out and we worked on trying to get it to release for 45
minutes. The lesson I took from that experience was, never use the damn
thing unless you absolutely have to.


--
Dallas

[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article >,
Dallas > wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), WingFlaps wrote:
>
> > Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
> > light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
> > both. What should I do???
>
> One day as a student I went out to preflight the airplane before the
> instructor came out.
>
> I saw the parking brake and realized I'd never operated it before so I gave
> it a good pull. Well, it worked find... but it also wouldn't release.
>
> The instructor came out and we worked on trying to get it to release for 45
> minutes. The lesson I took from that experience was, never use the damn
> thing unless you absolutely have to.

Most of them are simply a pair of valves to retain the pressure in the
brake lines. You hit the brakes, pull the parking brake cable and that's
all.

To release the parking brake, all you have to do is tap the brakes to
release the valves.

--
Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.

[Thomas Borchert]

Bertie,

> POH or instructor?
>

the latter

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Dallas,

> The lesson I took from that experience was, never use the damn
> thing unless you absolutely have to.
>

It should have been: Use only aircraft with decently designed parking
brakes.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Dallas wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), WingFlaps wrote:
>
>> Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
>> light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
>> both. What should I do???
>
> One day as a student I went out to preflight the airplane before the
> instructor came out.
>
> I saw the parking brake and realized I'd never operated it before so I gave
> it a good pull. Well, it worked find... but it also wouldn't release.
>
> The instructor came out and we worked on trying to get it to release for 45
> minutes. The lesson I took from that experience was, never use the damn
> thing unless you absolutely have to.
>
>

You learned the wrong lesson. Let me ask. If you ever had trouble
starting an airplane would have given up on any planes but gliders.

[Edward A. Falk]

If the plane is on an incline, or there's any chance someone will lean
on it and start it rolling, set the brakes. Otherwise, I can't imagine
that it makes the slightest difference.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[gatt[_2_]]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
>
>> I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.
>>
>
> What's the difference?

Refuelling is short term.

Pilots don't generally tie their airplanes down, apply control locks etc
when they refuel, but they do when they park, so there's definately a
difference.

-c

[gatt[_2_]]

"William Hung" > wrote in message
news:7a4547db-723a-4c24-96d0-

>I just recently reallized that these even came with parking brakes.
>lol My CFI never pointed them out to me and I never really noticed.

It's right next to the ejection seat handle...

...

They're hardly ever used in Cessnas and so some people make a habit of just
blowing past it on the checklists. If you're ever trying to taxi for
takeoff, though, and for some reason the plane won't move easily or it keeps
pulling to one direction, remember the parking brake. If that happens,
bring the throttle to idle and engage and release the parking brake a couple
of times; sometimes they stick. Pretty rare, but if you rent for two or
three hundred hours you might see it happen.

Always note it doing your checklists, though, because if you don't have far
to taxi you might not notice it until you're on your takeoff roll.

-c

[Peter Dohm]

"Edward A. Falk" > wrote in message
...
> If the plane is on an incline, or there's any chance someone will lean
> on it and start it rolling, set the brakes. Otherwise, I can't imagine
> that it makes the slightest difference.
>
> --
> -Ed Falk,
> http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

And, therein lies the real issue.

I don't recall whether I even did put self service fuel in a high wing
Cessna, and the ones I flew all had the optional inspection steps in any
case. But your post makes a more than sufficient case for setting, and
testing, the brakes before climbing up the ladder and leaning over the wing
with the hose!

Actually, I was taught that the parking brakes were essentially useless and
were difficult to set and worse to release; and AFAIK, I never did try
setting and releasing them.

I hereby resolve to do better.

Peter

[Alan Gerber]

Peter Dohm > wrote:
> Actually, I was taught that the parking brakes were essentially useless and
> were difficult to set and worse to release; and AFAIK, I never did try
> setting and releasing them.

I was taught to set the parking brake during the pre-flight. This meant
it couldn't roll after I untied it; the brake was released when I was
ready to taxi. It was set again during the run-up, and released, again,
when ready to taxi. Not as a substitute for keeping my feet firmly on the
brake pedals during the run-up, but as insurance in case I accidentally
lightened the pressure.

Interestingly, setting it was on the checklist, but releasing it wasn't.
It was pretty obvious when I forgot to release it.

.... Alan
--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

[Alan Gerber]

Alan Gerber > wrote:
> I was taught to set the parking brake during the pre-flight.

I forgot to mention, this was in a Piper Warrior. I don't know if the
school has a similar procedure for Cessnas, or if there's something
different about their brakes.

.... Alan
--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

[Peter Dohm]

"Alan Gerber" > wrote in message
...
> Alan Gerber > wrote:
>> I was taught to set the parking brake during the pre-flight.
>
> I forgot to mention, this was in a Piper Warrior. I don't know if the
> school has a similar procedure for Cessnas, or if there's something
> different about their brakes.
>
> ... Alan
> --
> Alan Gerber
> PP-ASEL
> gerber AT panix DOT com

My current thinking on the matter is that using the parking brake at least
once for each flight is a very good idea--and almost certainly reduces the
probability that it will either stick or leak. Basically, some of the best
day to day maintenance for a lot of things is simply to use them.

Peter

[Roger[_4_]]

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:42:05 -0800 (PST), buttman >
wrote:

>On Feb 10, 1:15 am, WingFlaps > wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 5:15 pm, wrote:
>>
>> > WingFlaps > wrote:
>> > > Simple question, when refuelling should brakes be on or off (for a
>> > > light plane)? I've been told both answers with logical reasons for
>> > > both. What should I do???
>>
>> > If you find yourself chasing the airplane across the ramp, the brakes
>> > should probably be on.
>>
>> > Parking brakes shouldn't be used for extended periods; that's what
>> > chokes are for.
>>
>> I'm asking about refuelling, not parking per se.
>>
>> Cheers
>
>I fueled light planes dozens of times, at dozens of airports. I've
>never used the parking brake ever. If the pump happens to be on an
>incline, I'll either find chocks, or once I had my student hold the
>plane by the prop while I fueled because we couldn't find any chocks
>laying around.

I've never resorted to chocks for refueling in all these years. Just
the parking brake unless it was REALLY windy. <:-)) OTOH I don't
leave the plae without using chocks.

Roger (K8RI)
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Edward A. Falk]

Now that I think about it, I always set the brakes because the only way
to know if there's a slight incline is to wait to see if it starts rolling.
Plus, you never know if someone will come around and lean on it.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/