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Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 10th 08, 04:23 PM

William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
:

> On Feb 10, 11:11*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
ac70-
>> :
>>
>> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>>
>> > While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>>
>> > Wil
>>
>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
especially a
>> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
can
>> taxi around all day like this.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> tricycle geared ones. lol
>

True!

in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!

> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. I wonder how
> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.

Like I said, it's easy. Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
grit.

Bertie

William Hung[_2_]

February 10th 08, 04:50 PM

On Feb 10, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
> :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 11:11*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
> ac70-
> >> :
>
> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>
> >> > While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>
> >> > Wil
>
> >> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
> especially a
> >> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
> can
> >> taxi around all day like this.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> > tricycle geared ones. lol
>
> True!
>
> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
>
> > Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. *I wonder how
> > many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>
> Like I said, it's easy. *Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
> grit.
>
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My pocket's not that deep Bertie, I'll have to take your word for it.

Wil

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 10th 08, 06:01 PM

William Hung > wrote in news:fd5164ed-0d1d-4bc7-98f0-
:

> On Feb 10, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-
9aad-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 10, 11:11*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
>> ac70-
>> >> :
>>
>> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>>
>> >> > While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>>
>> >> > Wil
>>
>> >> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
>> especially a
>> >> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick.
You
>> can
>> >> taxi around all day like this.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
>> > tricycle geared ones. lol
>>
>> True!
>>
>> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground,
though!
>>
>> > Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. *I wonder
how
>> > many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>>
>> Like I said, it's easy. *Anyone could do it in a cub with only a
little
>> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it
sits
>> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it
looks.
>> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at
very
>> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
>> grit.
>>
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>
> My pocket's not that deep Bertie, I'll have to take your word for it.
>

Not many things cheaper to fly than a cub!

I had a job towing banners once and learned to do it there. The boss
probably would not have appreciated it as it would have been a bit hard
on the brakes.

Bertie

[email protected]

February 10th 08, 06:10 PM

On Feb 10, 9:52*am, William Hung > wrote:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>
> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>
> Wil

Finest kind!

I bet the guys who rent the tail dragger down the ramp from my club
would have a brain blowout if you taxied in like that, though.

Prolly never rent to you again ;)

[email protected]

February 10th 08, 10:02 PM

On Feb 10, 9:23 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
> :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
> ac70-
> >> :
>
> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>
> >> > While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>
> >> > Wil
>
> >> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
> especially a
> >> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
> can
> >> taxi around all day like this.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> > tricycle geared ones. lol
>
> True!
>
> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
>
> > Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. I wonder how
> > many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>
> Like I said, it's easy. Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
> grit.
>
> Bertie

I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
it. Maybe this spring:-)
The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
rising to that level.

Dan

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 10th 08, 10:13 PM

wrote in news:1f7e6fcc-3e5e-4924-a0e9-
:
>
> I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
> taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
> gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
> balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
> it. Maybe this spring:-)

Doesn't your Jodel have that funky differential braking system, or is it a
homebuilt one?

> The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
> Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
> so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
> horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
> brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
> rising to that level.

Just gotta be a little more careful of holes!

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 10th 08, 11:33 PM

William Hung wrote:
> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-ac70-
>> :
>>
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>>> Wil
>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers, especially a
>> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You can
>> taxi around all day like this.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> tricycle geared ones. lol
>
> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. I wonder how
> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>
> Wil

Bertie's right. It's not hard at all. Used to do it myself in a comedy
act we threw together based on my good friend Dick Schramms flying
professor routine. We used a J3 Cub. The only thing you really had to
worry about was getting oil on your shoes. I always wore tennis shoes
when doing this act. The J3's brakes were heel brakes and were located
next to the rudder T's slightly inside. If your foot slipped off the
brakes at the wrong time...well..let's just say that writing a check to
Sensinich would have spoiled the day for us :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 10th 08, 11:38 PM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> William Hung wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> William Hung > wrote in
>>> news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-ac70-
>>> :
>>>
>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>>>> Wil
>>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
>>> especially a cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some
>>> forward stick. You can taxi around all day like this.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
>> tricycle geared ones. lol
>>
>> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. I wonder how
>> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>>
>> Wil
>
>
> Bertie's right. It's not hard at all. Used to do it myself in a comedy
> act we threw together based on my good friend Dick Schramms flying
> professor routine. We used a J3 Cub. The only thing you really had to
> worry about was getting oil on your shoes. I always wore tennis shoes
> when doing this act. The J3's brakes were heel brakes and were located
> next to the rudder T's slightly inside. If your foot slipped off the
> brakes at the wrong time...well..let's just say that writing a check
> to Sensinich would have spoiled the day for us :-))
>

You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!

Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 11th 08, 12:34 AM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> William Hung wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> William Hung > wrote in
>>>> news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-ac70-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>>>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>>>>> Wil
>>>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
>>>> especially a cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some
>>>> forward stick. You can taxi around all day like this.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
>>> tricycle geared ones. lol
>>>
>>> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. I wonder how
>>> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>>>
>>> Wil
>>
>> Bertie's right. It's not hard at all. Used to do it myself in a comedy
>> act we threw together based on my good friend Dick Schramms flying
>> professor routine. We used a J3 Cub. The only thing you really had to
>> worry about was getting oil on your shoes. I always wore tennis shoes
>> when doing this act. The J3's brakes were heel brakes and were located
>> next to the rudder T's slightly inside. If your foot slipped off the
>> brakes at the wrong time...well..let's just say that writing a check
>> to Sensinich would have spoiled the day for us :-))
>>
>
> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>
> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>
> Bertie
>
Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the mike
narrating for Dick when he was killed.
He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of Preflight
Inspections" safety talks for many years.

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 12:51 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
:
>>>
>>
>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>
>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>
>> Bertie
>>
> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the mike
> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of Preflight
> Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>
I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came home
talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick thing he
used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual suspects for
years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like BS.

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 11th 08, 01:43 AM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
> :
>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>
>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the mike
>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of Preflight
>> Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>
> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came home
> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick thing he
> used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual suspects for
> years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like BS.
>
> Bertie
>
The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank when
he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their airplane
that day that he was using.
Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that mission.
When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter pin
that safties it in the bracket.
Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone through
the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the stick
came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I swear I saw
him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no way of
knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike and I
don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and tried
to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
Anyway, that's what happened.

Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration community.
There is an award in his name and he is probably the only person ever to
be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going through Naval Flight
training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had a bad word for
anyone about anyone.
The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display but
for some unknown reason it was missed.

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 01:47 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>> :
>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>
>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the mike
>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>
>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came home
>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick
>> thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual
>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like
>> BS.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank
> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their
> airplane that day that he was using.
> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that mission.
> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter pin
> that safties it in the bracket.
> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone through
> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the
> stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I swear
> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no
> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike and
> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and
> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
> Anyway, that's what happened.

Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>
> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the only
> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going through
> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had a
> bad word for anyone about anyone.
> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display but
> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>
Jesus.
I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but I'm
guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no rear
stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 11th 08, 02:02 AM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>>> :
>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the mike
>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
>>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
>>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>>
>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came home
>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick
>>> thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual
>>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like
>>> BS.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank
>> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their
>> airplane that day that he was using.
>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
>> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that mission.
>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
>> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter pin
>> that safties it in the bracket.
>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone through
>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the
>> stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I swear
>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no
>> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike and
>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and
>> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>
> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the only
>> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going through
>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had a
>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display but
>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>>
> Jesus.
> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but I'm
> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no rear
> stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.
>
>
> Bertie
>
I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick. This
plane might very well have been modified because it was our
understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.

--
Dudley Henriques

William Hung[_2_]

February 11th 08, 02:02 AM

On Feb 10, 8:43*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> > Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
> > :
> >>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>
> >>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>
> >>> Bertie
>
> >> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the mike
> >> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
> >> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
> >> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of Preflight
> >> Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>
> > I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came home
> > talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick thing he
> > used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual suspects for
> > years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like BS.
>
> > Bertie
>
> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank when
> he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their airplane
> that day that he was using.
> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that mission.
> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter pin
> that safties it in the bracket.
> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone through
> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the stick
> came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I swear I saw
> him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no way of
> knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike and I
> don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and tried
> to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
> Anyway, that's what happened.
>
> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration community.
> There is an award in his name and he is probably the only person ever to
> be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going through Naval Flight
> training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had a bad word for
> anyone about anyone.
> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display but
> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I remember reading that the Cub solo in the rear and the Husky solos
in the front, but this is the first time I've heard that the Cub had
removable control.

Wil

William Hung[_2_]

February 11th 08, 02:05 AM

On Feb 10, 5:02*pm, wrote:
> On Feb 10, 9:23 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
> > :
>
> > > On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> > >> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
> > ac70-
> > >> :
>
> > >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>
> > >> > While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>
> > >> > Wil
>
> > >> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
> > especially a
> > >> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
> > can
> > >> taxi around all day like this.
>
> > >> Bertie
>
> > > Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> > > tricycle geared ones. lol
>
> > True!
>
> > in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
>
> > > Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. *I wonder how
> > > many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>
> > Like I said, it's easy. *Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
> > practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
> > down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
> > One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
> > low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
> > grit.
>
> > Bertie
>
> * * * * *I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
> taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
> gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
> balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
> it. Maybe this spring:-)
> * * * * *The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
> Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
> so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
> horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
> brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
> rising to that level.
>
> * * * * Dan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'll take y'alls' word for it. Damned if I'll risk a prop strike at
my level of experience to find out how easy it is first hand. lol It
isn't only the price of a new prop that concerns me, it is that and
the rpice of the engine tear down.

Wil

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 11th 08, 02:10 AM

William Hung wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:02 pm, wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 9:23 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
>>> :
>>>> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>>> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
>>> ac70-
>>>>> :
>>>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>>>>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>>>>>> Wil
>>>>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
>>> especially a
>>>>> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
>>> can
>>>>> taxi around all day like this.
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
>>>> tricycle geared ones. lol
>>> True!
>>> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
>>>> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. I wonder how
>>>> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>>> Like I said, it's easy. Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
>>> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
>>> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
>>> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
>>> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
>>> grit.
>>> Bertie
>> I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
>> taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
>> gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
>> balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
>> it. Maybe this spring:-)
>> The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
>> Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
>> so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
>> horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
>> brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
>> rising to that level.
>>
>> Dan- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I'll take y'alls' word for it. Damned if I'll risk a prop strike at
> my level of experience to find out how easy it is first hand. lol It
> isn't only the price of a new prop that concerns me, it is that and
> the rpice of the engine tear down.
>
> Wil

Well....that's plan B......and could very well be necessary. A prop
strike can do serious things inside an engine.
You just discovered the first rule of display flying. It's not a
business where you make a mistake, step back ten yards and punt. The
thing is....you don't get the prop strike to begin with. If you do, you
shouldn't be there.

--
Dudley Henriques

William Hung[_2_]

February 11th 08, 03:25 AM

On Feb 10, 9:10*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> William Hung wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 5:02 pm, wrote:
> >> On Feb 10, 9:23 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >>> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
> >>> :
> >>>> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>>> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
> >>> ac70-
> >>>>> :
> >>>>>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
> >>>>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
> >>>>>> Wil
> >>>>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
> >>> especially a
> >>>>> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
> >>> can
> >>>>> taxi around all day like this.
> >>>>> Bertie
> >>>> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> >>>> tricycle geared ones. lol
> >>> True!
> >>> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
> >>>> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. *I wonder how
> >>>> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
> >>> Like I said, it's easy. *Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
> >>> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
> >>> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks..
> >>> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
> >>> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
> >>> grit.
> >>> Bertie
> >> * * * * *I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
> >> taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
> >> gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
> >> balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
> >> it. Maybe this spring:-)
> >> * * * * *The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
> >> Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
> >> so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
> >> horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
> >> brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
> >> rising to that level.
>
> >> * * * * Dan- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I'll take y'alls' word for it. *Damned if I'll risk a prop strike at
> > my level of experience to find out how easy it is first hand. lol *It
> > isn't only the *price of a new prop that concerns me, it is that and
> > the rpice of the engine tear down.
>
> > Wil
>
> Well....that's plan B......and could very well be necessary. A prop
> strike can do serious things inside an engine.
> You just discovered the first rule of display flying. It's not a
> business where you make a mistake, step back ten yards and punt. The
> thing is....you don't get the prop strike to begin with. If you do, you
> shouldn't be there.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

One day in the future Dudley.

Here's a good video of an L4 doing a high tail taxi after a side slip
landing all the way down to a touch down. I really ant a STOL NOW.

Wil

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 03:27 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>>>> :
>>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>
>>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the
mike
>>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
>>>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
>>>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came
home
>>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick
>>>> thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual
>>>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like
>>>> BS.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank
>>> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their
>>> airplane that day that he was using.
>>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
>>> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that
mission.
>>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
>>> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter
pin
>>> that safties it in the bracket.
>>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone
through
>>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the
>>> stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I
swear
>>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no
>>> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike
and
>>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and
>>> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>>
>> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
>>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the only
>>> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going
through
>>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had
a
>>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
>>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display
but
>>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>>>
>> Jesus.
>> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but
I'm
>> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no rear
>> stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
> I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick. This
> plane might very well have been modified because it was our
> understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
> operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.
>

Can't really see why piper would have made it removable.

Bertie

William Hung[_2_]

February 11th 08, 03:30 AM

On Feb 10, 10:27*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
> >>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
> >>>> :
> >>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>
> >>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>
> >>>>>> Bertie
>
> >>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the
> mike
> >>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
> >>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
> >>>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
> >>>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>
> >>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came
> home
> >>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick
> >>>> thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual
> >>>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like
> >>>> BS.
>
> >>>> Bertie
>
> >>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank
> >>> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their
> >>> airplane that day that he was using.
> >>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
> >>> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that
> mission.
> >>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
> >>> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter
> pin
> >>> that safties it in the bracket.
> >>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone
> through
> >>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the
> >>> stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I
> swear
> >>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no
> >>> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
> >>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike
> and
> >>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and
> >>> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
> >>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>
> >> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
> >>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
> >>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the only
> >>> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going
> through
> >>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had
> a
> >>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
> >>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display
> but
> >>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>
> >> Jesus.
> >> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but
> I'm
> >> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no rear
> >> stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick. This
> > plane might very well have been modified because it was our
> > understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
> > operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.
>
> Can't really see why piper would have made it removable.
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I know that the left seat controls for the Robinson R22 helicopters
are removable with a button not unlike a button on an umbrella.

Wil

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 03:40 AM

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Feb 10, 10:27*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote
>> innews:evydnYBenbEiMTLanZ2dnUV
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> >> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> >>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>> >>>> :
>> >>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>
>> >>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>
>> >>>>>> Bertie
>>
>> >>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the
>> mike
>> >>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>> >>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light
>> >>>>> plane. It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance
>> >>>>> of Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>
>> >>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came
>> home
>> >>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake
>> >>>> stick thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from
>> >>>> the usual suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it
>> >>>> sounded like BS.
>>
>> >>>> Bertie
>>
>> >>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red
>> >>> Bank when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was
>> >>> their airplane that day that he was using.
>> >>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and
>> >>> had taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that
>> mission.
>> >>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo
>> >>> shoot, whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower
>> >>> cotter
>> pin
>> >>> that safties it in the bracket.
>> >>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone
>> through
>> >>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when
>> >>> the stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that
>> >>> point. I
>> swear
>> >>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had
>> >>> no way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>> >>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike
>> and
>> >>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool
>> >>> and tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>> >>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>>
>> >> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>> >>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
>> >>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the
>> >>> only person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without
>> >>> going
>> through
>> >>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never
>> >>> had
>> a
>> >>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
>> >>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the
>> >>> display
>> but
>> >>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>>
>> >> Jesus.
>> >> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but
>> I'm
>> >> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no
>> >> rear stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily
>> >> modified.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick.
>> > This plane might very well have been modified because it was our
>> > understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
>> > operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.
>>
>> Can't really see why piper would have made it removable.
>>
>> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I know that the left seat controls for the Robinson R22 helicopters
> are removable with a button not unlike a button on an umbrella.

Yeah, a lot of airplanes have easily removeable sticks. Ordinarialy
they're removable with a bolt through a sleeve, but I can't remember the
cub having one. I did fly one with no rear stick but it had been
modified for towing and had no rear seat and no rear rudder pedals
either. The nub of th erear stick was there since that's where all the
cetral parts of the control system were. The bottom part of the stick
was also the aileron horn, for instance.

Bertie

William Hung[_2_]

February 11th 08, 03:43 AM

On Feb 10, 10:25*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 9:10*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Hung wrote:
> > > On Feb 10, 5:02 pm, wrote:
> > >> On Feb 10, 9:23 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> > >>> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
> > >>> :
> > >>>> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> > >>>>> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
> > >>> ac70-
> > >>>>> :
> > >>>>>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
> > >>>>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
> > >>>>>> Wil
> > >>>>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
> > >>> especially a
> > >>>>> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
> > >>> can
> > >>>>> taxi around all day like this.
> > >>>>> Bertie
> > >>>> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> > >>>> tricycle geared ones. lol
> > >>> True!
> > >>> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
> > >>>> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. *I wonder how
> > >>>> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
> > >>> Like I said, it's easy. *Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
> > >>> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
> > >>> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
> > >>> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
> > >>> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
> > >>> grit.
> > >>> Bertie
> > >> * * * * *I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
> > >> taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
> > >> gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
> > >> balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
> > >> it. Maybe this spring:-)
> > >> * * * * *The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
> > >> Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
> > >> so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
> > >> horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
> > >> brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
> > >> rising to that level.
>
> > >> * * * * Dan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I'll take y'alls' word for it. *Damned if I'll risk a prop strike at
> > > my level of experience to find out how easy it is first hand. lol *It
> > > isn't only the *price of a new prop that concerns me, it is that and
> > > the rpice of the engine tear down.
>
> > > Wil
>
> > Well....that's plan B......and could very well be necessary. A prop
> > strike can do serious things inside an engine.
> > You just discovered the first rule of display flying. It's not a
> > business where you make a mistake, step back ten yards and punt. The
> > thing is....you don't get the prop strike to begin with. If you do, you
> > shouldn't be there.
>
> > --
> > Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> One day in the future Dudley.
>
> Here's a good video of an L4 doing a high tail taxi after a side slip
> landing all the way down to a touch down. *I really ant a STOL NOW.
>
> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Woopsie, furgit the link. Here it tis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW8GRJI6Kz4&feature=related

Wil

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 11th 08, 03:43 AM

William Hung wrote:
> On Feb 10, 9:10 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> William Hung wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 5:02 pm, wrote:
>>>> On Feb 10, 9:23 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>>> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
>>>>> :
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>>>>> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
>>>>> ac70-
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
>>>>>>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
>>>>>>>> Wil
>>>>>>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
>>>>> especially a
>>>>>>> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
>>>>> can
>>>>>>> taxi around all day like this.
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
>>>>>> tricycle geared ones. lol
>>>>> True!
>>>>> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
>>>>>> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. I wonder how
>>>>>> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
>>>>> Like I said, it's easy. Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
>>>>> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
>>>>> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
>>>>> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
>>>>> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
>>>>> grit.
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
>>>> taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
>>>> gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
>>>> balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
>>>> it. Maybe this spring:-)
>>>> The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
>>>> Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
>>>> so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
>>>> horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
>>>> brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
>>>> rising to that level.
>>>> Dan- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> I'll take y'alls' word for it. Damned if I'll risk a prop strike at
>>> my level of experience to find out how easy it is first hand. lol It
>>> isn't only the price of a new prop that concerns me, it is that and
>>> the rpice of the engine tear down.
>>> Wil
>> Well....that's plan B......and could very well be necessary. A prop
>> strike can do serious things inside an engine.
>> You just discovered the first rule of display flying. It's not a
>> business where you make a mistake, step back ten yards and punt. The
>> thing is....you don't get the prop strike to begin with. If you do, you
>> shouldn't be there.
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> One day in the future Dudley.
>
>
> Here's a good video of an L4 doing a high tail taxi after a side slip
> landing all the way down to a touch down. I really ant a STOL NOW.
>
> Wil
Try the Porter. Expensive but operates off the surface of a dime :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 03:46 AM

Don't know if you saw this one as well.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A2BPcurREpo&feature=related

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 11th 08, 03:47 AM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>>>>> :
>>>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the
> mike
>>>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
>>>>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
>>>>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came
> home
>>>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick
>>>>> thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual
>>>>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like
>>>>> BS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank
>>>> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their
>>>> airplane that day that he was using.
>>>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
>>>> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that
> mission.
>>>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
>>>> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter
> pin
>>>> that safties it in the bracket.
>>>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone
> through
>>>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the
>>>> stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I
> swear
>>>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no
>>>> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>>>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike
> and
>>>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and
>>>> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>>>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>>> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>>>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
>>>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the only
>>>> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going
> through
>>>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had
> a
>>>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
>>>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display
> but
>>>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>>>>
>>> Jesus.
>>> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but
> I'm
>>> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no rear
>>> stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick. This
>> plane might very well have been modified because it was our
>> understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
>> operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.
>>
>
> Can't really see why piper would have made it removable.
>
>
> Bertie
>
It might very well have been done in the field. This particular Cub was
used for photo shoots by the FBO as well as a rental, so it makes sense
they would have done a 337 on the stick. Anyone shooting from the back
seat with several cameras would find a stick in their way for sure.
I've had photographers show up with so many cameras they could pass for
a Japanese tourist :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

William Hung[_2_]

February 11th 08, 03:49 AM

On Feb 10, 10:43*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> William Hung wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 9:10 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> >> William Hung wrote:
> >>> On Feb 10, 5:02 pm, wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 10, 9:23 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>>> William Hung > wrote in news:d5ad9f37-e01f-4e0b-9aad-
> >>>>> :
> >>>>>> On Feb 10, 11:11 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>>>>> William Hung > wrote in news:b91186d4-fa32-498d-
> >>>>> ac70-
> >>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCWFMJaBLl0&feature=related
> >>>>>>>> While "researching" stol aircrafts, I came across this.
> >>>>>>>> Wil
> >>>>>>> This is actualy pretty easy to do in a lot of taildraggers,
> >>>>> especially a
> >>>>>>> cub. Just a bit of brake against power with some forward stick. You
> >>>>> can
> >>>>>>> taxi around all day like this.
> >>>>>>> Bertie
> >>>>>> Keeping the tail off the ground? I suppose it is even easier in a
> >>>>>> tricycle geared ones. lol
> >>>>> True!
> >>>>> in some of those I've taxied with the nosewheel off the ground, though!
> >>>>>> Inches from a prop-strike, seconds from a prop-strike. *I wonder how
> >>>>>> many engines he had to have torn down before he got that good.
> >>>>> Like I said, it's easy. *Anyone could do it in a cub with only a little
> >>>>> practice. If it starts to go too far you release the brakes and it sits
> >>>>> down. It's as simple as that. It's lots lots lots easier than it looks.
> >>>>> One problem is that you have a good bit of power on, especially at very
> >>>>> low speeds and your prop is down near the ground where it can pick up
> >>>>> grit.
> >>>>> Bertie
> >>>> * * * * *I learned to stop the 185 really short doing just this. And
> >>>> taxied the old Auster like that. Not as hard as it looks, but you sure
> >>>> gotta be careful. My Jodel, on the other hand, is really finely
> >>>> balanced, rather light in the tail, and I've never had the nerve to do
> >>>> it. Maybe this spring:-)
> >>>> * * * * *The taildragger's CG is usually 15° behind the main axles.
> >>>> Picking up the tail of a taildragger, you can hoist it over your head
> >>>> so that it's pointing down at 15° or so, and it'll balance there. Prop
> >>>> horizontal so it doesn't get stabbed into the pavement. With the
> >>>> brakes on and engine run up, it's easy enough to keep the tail from
> >>>> rising to that level.
> >>>> * * * * Dan- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> I'll take y'alls' word for it. *Damned if I'll risk a prop strike at
> >>> my level of experience to find out how easy it is first hand. lol *It
> >>> isn't only the *price of a new prop that concerns me, it is that and
> >>> the rpice of the engine tear down.
> >>> Wil
> >> Well....that's plan B......and could very well be necessary. A prop
> >> strike can do serious things inside an engine.
> >> You just discovered the first rule of display flying. It's not a
> >> business where you make a mistake, step back ten yards and punt. The
> >> thing is....you don't get the prop strike to begin with. If you do, you
> >> shouldn't be there.
>
> >> --
> >> Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > One day in the future Dudley.
>
> > Here's a good video of an L4 doing a high tail taxi after a side slip
> > landing all the way down to a touch down. *I really ant a STOL NOW.
>
> > Wil
>
> Try the Porter. Expensive but operates off the surface of a dime :-)
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh yeah, I've seen them (videos). Here's a couple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFm3-rSTtE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzhrvq7V6W0

My pocket's no where near that deep.

Wil

William Hung[_2_]

February 11th 08, 03:52 AM

On Feb 10, 10:46*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Don't know if you saw this one as well.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=A2BPcurREpo&feature=related
>
> Bertie

I've been to the show, The Flying Circus, several years ago Bertie,
Bealton, VA. Thanks for the link, brings back memories.

Wil

[email protected]

February 11th 08, 04:13 AM

>
> Try the Porter. Expensive but operates off the surface of a dime :-)
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques-

Some of ya'll seem to have flown so many aircraft.

It's insanely expensive today. I see $90 per hour for a 1975 150 M
Commutor, $115 - 125 for a 172R, and $145 for a C182RG.

I haven't asked what the taildragger costs down the way.

I don't know many people who earn that much per hour, that's for sure.
So some guy earning $30 bucks an hour these days gets to do three
hours of labor to have one hour of joy in a 30 year old 150. It's
enough to make you weep.

Well, f0k it. Gonna build something. Soon.

[email protected]

February 11th 08, 04:28 AM

On Feb 10, 3:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Doesn't your Jodel have that funky differential braking system, or is it a
> homebuilt one?

Homebuilt. Hydraulic heel brakes. Master cylinders are from early
1950's Austin automobiles. Still working.

Dan

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 01:41 PM

William Hung > wrote in news:c078e9d0-9b6c-44d1-8de9-
:

> On Feb 10, 10:46*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Don't know if you saw this one as well.
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=A2BPcurREpo&feature=related
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I've been to the show, The Flying Circus, several years ago Bertie,
> Bealton, VA. Thanks for the link, brings back memories.

Ah, so you've seen this behaviour before!

There was a guy on the west coast who used to do a routine in a Champ. THe
airplane looked like a wreck and him and a bunch of other "bums" would
assemble it as the airshow went on fighting with each other and parts
falling off. It had rags glued to the trailing edges and li'l Abner type
patches sewn all over it. The guy would take off and the right aileron
would come off just after takeoff. He'd then proceed to do everything the
Champ was capable of with the one aileron missing. I think he had the
ignition rigged to cause a backfire every now and then as well.. Most of
the act was designed to make it look as the the airplane was out of control
and about to crash at any moment...

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 01:44 PM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the
>> mike
>>>>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>>>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light
plane.
>>>>>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
>>>>>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came
>> home
>>>>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick
>>>>>> thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the
usual
>>>>>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded
like
>>>>>> BS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>
>>>>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red
Bank
>>>>> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their
>>>>> airplane that day that he was using.
>>>>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and
had
>>>>> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that
>> mission.
>>>>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo
shoot,
>>>>> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter
>> pin
>>>>> that safties it in the bracket.
>>>>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone
>> through
>>>>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the
>>>>> stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I
>> swear
>>>>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had
no
>>>>> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>>>>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike
>> and
>>>>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool
and
>>>>> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>>>>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>>>> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>>>>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
>>>>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the
only
>>>>> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going
>> through
>>>>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never
had
>> a
>>>>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
>>>>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display
>> but
>>>>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>>>>>
>>>> Jesus.
>>>> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but
>> I'm
>>>> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no
rear
>>>> stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick.
This
>>> plane might very well have been modified because it was our
>>> understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
>>> operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.
>>>
>>
>> Can't really see why piper would have made it removable.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
> It might very well have been done in the field. This particular Cub
was
> used for photo shoots by the FBO as well as a rental, so it makes
sense
> they would have done a 337 on the stick. Anyone shooting from the back
> seat with several cameras would find a stick in their way for sure.
> I've had photographers show up with so many cameras they could pass
for
> a Japanese tourist :-)

A friend of mine took some photographer up in a 150 with the right door
removed for some air to air photography. The photographer got so
absorbed in his shoot that he undid his belt and ended up hanging out of
the airplane. I mean out! Standing on the gear leg and hanging on to the
strut.

Well, so I was told.

Bertie
>

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 01:48 PM

wrote in
:

> On Feb 10, 3:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> Doesn't your Jodel have that funky differential braking system, or is
>> it a homebuilt one?
>
> Homebuilt. Hydraulic heel brakes. Master cylinders are from early
> 1950's Austin automobiles. Still working.
>

Cool. Someset, Dorset, A35?

I've only flown one Jodel. It's an amazing airplane. A 1040, I think.
100hp, originally a Potez, but the guy got tired of finding parts so he put
an O-200 in it. It sould actually carry four out of a short field and three
with full fuel which was about 6 hours IIRC. cruised at about 100knots as
well.Why would anyone fly a 150 after having met one of those?

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

February 11th 08, 02:04 PM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the
>>> mike
>>>>>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>>>>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light
> plane.
>>>>>>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
>>>>>>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came
>>> home
>>>>>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick
>>>>>>> thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the
> usual
>>>>>>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded
> like
>>>>>>> BS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red
> Bank
>>>>>> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their
>>>>>> airplane that day that he was using.
>>>>>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and
> had
>>>>>> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that
>>> mission.
>>>>>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo
> shoot,
>>>>>> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter
>>> pin
>>>>>> that safties it in the bracket.
>>>>>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone
>>> through
>>>>>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the
>>>>>> stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I
>>> swear
>>>>>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had
> no
>>>>>> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>>>>>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike
>>> and
>>>>>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool
> and
>>>>>> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>>>>>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>>>>> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>>>>>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
>>>>>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the
> only
>>>>>> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going
>>> through
>>>>>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never
> had
>>> a
>>>>>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
>>>>>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display
>>> but
>>>>>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus.
>>>>> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do but
>>> I'm
>>>>> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no
> rear
>>>>> stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>> I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick.
> This
>>>> plane might very well have been modified because it was our
>>>> understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
>>>> operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.
>>>>
>>> Can't really see why piper would have made it removable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> It might very well have been done in the field. This particular Cub
> was
>> used for photo shoots by the FBO as well as a rental, so it makes
> sense
>> they would have done a 337 on the stick. Anyone shooting from the back
>> seat with several cameras would find a stick in their way for sure.
>> I've had photographers show up with so many cameras they could pass
> for
>> a Japanese tourist :-)
>
> A friend of mine took some photographer up in a 150 with the right door
> removed for some air to air photography. The photographer got so
> absorbed in his shoot that he undid his belt and ended up hanging out of
> the airplane. I mean out! Standing on the gear leg and hanging on to the
> strut.
>
> Well, so I was told.
>
>
> Bertie
>
Anything for the shot! :-)) Remember that picture some time back of the
pilot standing on the wheel of his Cub propping it in flight? :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 02:32 PM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:jPSdnQVqtcu- :
>>>>>>>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>>>>>>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light
>> plane.
>>>>>>>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of
>>>>>>>>> Preflight Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and
>>>>>>>> came
>>>> home
>>>>>>>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake
>>>>>>>> stick thing he used to do, and in fact I heard that story from
>>>>>>>> the
>> usual
>>>>>>>> suspects for years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded
>> like
>>>>>>>> BS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red
>> Bank
>>>>>>> when he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was
>>>>>>> their airplane that day that he was using.
>>>>>>> Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and
>> had
>>>>>>> taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that
>>>> mission.
>>>>>>> When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo
>> shoot,
>>>>>>> whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower
>>>>>>> cotter
>>>> pin
>>>>>>> that safties it in the bracket.
>>>>>>> Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone
>>>> through
>>>>>>> the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when
>>>>>>> the stick came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that
>>>>>>> point. I
>>>> swear
>>>>>>> I saw him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had
>> no
>>>>>>> way of knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>>>>>>> He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the
>>>>>>> mike
>>>> and
>>>>>>> I don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool
>> and
>>>>>>> tried to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>>>>>>> Anyway, that's what happened.
>>>>>> Oh. OK. That's what I heard, in fact.
>>>>>>> Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration
>>>>>>> community. There is an award in his name and he is probably the
>> only
>>>>>>> person ever to be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going
>>>> through
>>>>>>> Naval Flight training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never
>> had
>>>> a
>>>>>>> bad word for anyone about anyone.
>>>>>>> The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the
>>>>>>> display
>>>> but
>>>>>>> for some unknown reason it was missed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jesus.
>>>>>> I don't think the rear stick on a J-3 comes out. Maybe they do
>>>>>> but
>>>> I'm
>>>>>> guessing the airplane was modded. Some of the tugs I flew had no
>> rear
>>>>>> stick and no rear rudder pedals, but they were heavily modified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've never actually seen the lower attach bracket on that stick.
>> This
>>>>> plane might very well have been modified because it was our
>>>>> understanding that they used it for aerial photography in normal
>>>>> operation. I would imagine that would be a 337 if so.
>>>>>
>>>> Can't really see why piper would have made it removable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> It might very well have been done in the field. This particular Cub
>> was
>>> used for photo shoots by the FBO as well as a rental, so it makes
>> sense
>>> they would have done a 337 on the stick. Anyone shooting from the
>>> back seat with several cameras would find a stick in their way for
>>> sure. I've had photographers show up with so many cameras they could
>>> pass
>> for
>>> a Japanese tourist :-)
>>
>> A friend of mine took some photographer up in a 150 with the right
>> door removed for some air to air photography. The photographer got so
>> absorbed in his shoot that he undid his belt and ended up hanging out
>> of the airplane. I mean out! Standing on the gear leg and hanging on
>> to the strut.
>>
>> Well, so I was told.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
> Anything for the shot! :-)) Remember that picture some time back of
> the pilot standing on the wheel of his Cub propping it in flight? :-)
>

Well, he was a barnstromer who did that all the time. I have another pic
in some book or other of the same guy doing that in a Rearwin Junior or
something. Might have been an American Eaglet or a MonoPrep, though. A
little parasol three cylinder airplane anyhow.

Bertie

[email protected]

February 11th 08, 05:24 PM

> Cool. Someset, Dorset, A35?
>
> I've only flown one Jodel. It's an amazing airplane. A 1040, I think.
> 100hp, originally a Potez, but the guy got tired of finding parts so he put
> an O-200 in it. It sould actually carry four out of a short field and three
> with full fuel which was about 6 hours IIRC. cruised at about 100knots as
> well.Why would anyone fly a 150 after having met one of those?
>
> Bertie

Mine's a D-11. All wood, fabric cover. A-65 Continental. 85 kt
cruise. Two seats. Good STOL airplane unless it's a high DA day and at
gross. 15 gallons and 4 or 5 GPH, so not a lot of range.
Even this one makes a 150 look anemic.

Dan

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

February 11th 08, 05:29 PM

wrote in
:

>> Cool. Someset, Dorset, A35?
>>
>> I've only flown one Jodel. It's an amazing airplane. A 1040, I think.
>> 100hp, originally a Potez, but the guy got tired of finding parts so
>> he put an O-200 in it. It sould actually carry four out of a short
>> field and three with full fuel which was about 6 hours IIRC. cruised
>> at about 100knots as well.Why would anyone fly a 150 after having met
>> one of those?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Mine's a D-11. All wood, fabric cover. A-65 Continental. 85 kt
> cruise. Two seats. Good STOL airplane unless it's a high DA day and at
> gross. 15 gallons and 4 or 5 GPH, so not a lot of range.
> Even this one makes a 150 look anemic.
>

Yeah, I've seen a D12 fly, I think, take off and it was amazing. It was
over fifty feet high at less than 800' of runway and that was with two guys
on and only a light breeze. I beleive it had an A-65. All of those little
wooden French airplanes are really nice. I always fancied an Emeraude or a
SIPA.

bertie

Big John[_2_]

February 12th 08, 03:17 AM

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:43:52 -0500, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:jPSdnQVqtcu-
>> :
>>>> You knew Dick Schramm? Cool!
>>>>
>>>> Most of the time I did this I was flying barefoot anyway....
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> Knew both Sr. and Jr. Both were great guys. Dick Jr. was on the mike
>>> narrating for Dick when he was killed.
>>> He was probably one of the finest sticks ever with a light plane.
>>> It was a freak accident, and I used it in my "Importance of Preflight
>>> Inspections" safety talks for many years.
>>>
>> I don't know how it happened, in fact. My father saw it and came home
>> talking a buch of BS about how it was a result of that fake stick thing he
>> used to do, and in fact I heard that story from the usual suspects for
>> years afterwards, but I alwyas thought it sounded like BS.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>The way we got it was that Dick used to "borrow" a J3 from Red Bank when
>he was doing the clown act at Reading. I believe it was their airplane
>that day that he was using.
>Apparently they had used it the day before for a photo shoot and had
>taken the rear stick out of the airplane to accommodate that mission.
>When the stick was put back into the airplane after the photo shoot,
>whoever put it back apparently forgot to replace the lower cotter pin
>that safties it in the bracket.
>Dick was doing one of his low altitude loops and had just gone through
>the upper energy gate and was starting down the back side when the stick
>came out of the bracket. He had 0 control at that point. I swear I saw
>him trying to put it back in the bracket (of course we had no way of
>knowing this was what he was doing at the time).
>He went straight in. Never had a chance. Dick Jr. was on the mike and I
>don't know how in hell he got through it but he kept his cool and tried
>to quiet everyone down. We both knew it was bad.
>Anyway, that's what happened.
>
>Dick is remembered fondly in the aerobatic and demonstration community.
>There is an award in his name and he is probably the only person ever to
>be made an honorary Naval Aviator without going through Naval Flight
>training. A wonderful guy, and a great pilot. Never had a bad word for
>anyone about anyone.
>The cotter pin should have been checked secured before the display but
>for some unknown reason it was missed.

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I was taking dual in a Rearwin Jr back in the 30's. Came across the
fence and was starting to flare and pulled the stick out of its holder
on floor. Bird kind of fell to ground and dribbled down the R/W and I
kept straight with rudder until stopped. (My best landing of the day
:o) I then poked the instructor in the back and said what should I do
with this. He said when did that come out and I said as I was trying
to flare and his cigar went from one side of his face to the other, He
reached around and stuck stick in socket and gave it a 180 degree
turn and said lets go try that again. Some times your lucky and some
times your not.

Big John