Sabrina 0-200A engine from Sabrina Aircraft Manufacturing

[Jim Logajan]

What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:

http://sabrina.aero/

Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.

My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
spaceships available in a decade or two.

[Larry D. Cosby]

> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
I'd say so!! Make me think their may be a future for general aviation after
all.


> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

Hey Mr. Rutan, You have any summer co-op positions available?


GO GIRL!!!

[Jim Logajan]

"Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote:
>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story.
>> Seems to be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
> I'd say so!! Make me think their may be a future for general aviation
> after all.
>
>
>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have
>> interplanetary spaceships available in a decade or two.
>
> Hey Mr. Rutan, You have any summer co-op positions available?
>
>
> GO GIRL!!!

Her website http://www.sabrina.aero/ has this hidden gem, visible only by
examining the page source:

"Sabrina Aircraft Manufacturing, a manufacturer of experimental aerospace
vehicles based in Chicago, Illinois. Models range from the 2006 E-LSA "Mark
1"; two-seat aeroplane (maiden flight January 15, 2008) to the 2008
Experimental single-seat space exploration vehicle with a projected maiden
flight of June 27, 2018."

[Peter Dohm]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote:
>>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story.
>>> Seems to be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>> I'd say so!! Make me think their may be a future for general aviation
>> after all.
>>
>>
>>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have
>>> interplanetary spaceships available in a decade or two.
>>
>> Hey Mr. Rutan, You have any summer co-op positions available?
>>
>>
>> GO GIRL!!!
>
> Her website http://www.sabrina.aero/ has this hidden gem, visible only by
> examining the page source:
>
> "Sabrina Aircraft Manufacturing, a manufacturer of experimental aerospace
> vehicles based in Chicago, Illinois. Models range from the 2006 E-LSA
> "Mark
> 1"; two-seat aeroplane (maiden flight January 15, 2008) to the 2008
> Experimental single-seat space exploration vehicle with a projected maiden
> flight of June 27, 2018."

I do so miss the hubris I once possessed, and I *must* get it back!

[[email protected]]

Shure glad she is from Chicago area. It will knock out a little wind
out of Mayor Daily's mad campaign against GA. Now he is against
budding youth accomplishments.

On Feb 10, 5:47 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

[Anthony W]

>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>
>> http://sabrina.aero/

It's too bad the website doesn't give more info on the building of the
engine.

Tony

[Phil J]

On Feb 10, 5:47*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

Sabrina rocks!!

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Anthony W wrote:
>>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from
>>> a TCM
>>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>>
>>> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> It's too bad the website doesn't give more info on the building of the
> engine.
>
> Tony


I'm impressed and all that this girl built this plane and I haven't
really followed this thread but how does she say it isn't a Zenith. Sure
she made a major modification to the panel but come on. And how in the
hell does she make this claim.

"As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was, "When I
was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
Label."

[Jim Logajan]

[posted and mailed]

Gig 601XL Builder > wrote:
> Anthony W wrote:
>>>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from
>>>> a TCM
>>>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>>>
>>>> http://sabrina.aero/
>>
>> It's too bad the website doesn't give more info on the building of the
>> engine.
>>
>> Tony
>
>
> I'm impressed and all that this girl built this plane and I haven't
> really followed this thread but how does she say it isn't a Zenith. Sure
> she made a major modification to the panel but come on. And how in the
> hell does she make this claim.

I believe the model name is within the bounds of the rules - I think I've
seen other homebuilders do the same with little or no design changes. As
you know, I believe she has to record herself as the manufacturer because
Zenith didn't build the plane.

> "As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was, "When I
> was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
> Label."

That last is a good question. I started this thread when I ran across a
posting from her on Matronic's Zenith list and followed the link she posted
to her web site. I believe you subscribe to that list (I don't anymore -
just read some of the postings now and then via the public access web page)
so you might consider politely asking her via direct e-mail. Looks like she
subscribed to the Matronics list within the last week and already is
moderately active.

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

On Feb 11, 2008 4:21 PM, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
> I believe the model name is within the bounds of the rules - I think I've
> seen other homebuilders do the same with little or no design changes. As
> you know, I believe she has to record herself as the manufacturer because
> Zenith didn't build the plane.
>


Yea but changing the model name and one of the comments on the very
limited website makes it sound like she wants you to think she
redesigned the plane. That said she did make one hell of a redesign on
the panel.


> > "As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was,
"When I
> > was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
> > Label."
>
> That last is a good question. I started this thread when I ran across a
> posting from her on Matronic's Zenith list and followed the link she
posted
> to her web site. I believe you subscribe to that list (I don't anymore -
> just read some of the postings now and then via the public access web
page)
> so you might consider politely asking her via direct e-mail. Looks
like she
> subscribed to the Matronics list within the last week and already is
> moderately active.
>
>


I did and it is under the (special that ended 1/31/08) E-LSA rules and
I can't find anything to counter that in the rules. As far as I'm
concerned it's a real bad idea from a liability standpoint. I told her
that in an e-mail right after I told her that I thought she was an
amazing young lady.

[Blueskies]

> wrote in message ...
> Shure glad she is from Chicago area. It will knock out a little wind
> out of Mayor Daily's mad campaign against GA. Now he is against
> budding youth accomplishments.
>
> On Feb 10, 5:47 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>
>> http://sabrina.aero/
>>
>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
>> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>>
>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
>> spaceships available in a decade or two.
>


Met her at OSH last year at the Young Eagles awards ceremony. Sharp kid for sure with many supporters...

[Scott[_1_]]

I was wondering that same thing!

Scott


Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

And how in the
> hell does she make this claim.
>
> "As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was, "When I
> was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
> Label."

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Bob Fry]

I don't get this statement:

As an aircraft manufacturer, Sabrina's most exciting moment was "When
I was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger
Warning label."

Can someone explain?
--
They that die by famine die by inches.
~ Matthew Henry

[Jim Logajan]

Bob Fry > wrote:
> I don't get this statement:
>
> As an aircraft manufacturer, Sabrina's most exciting moment was "When
> I was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger
> Warning label."
>
> Can someone explain?

Gig mentions how she seems to have done this in a post elsewhere on this
thread. As best I can tell, she used the E-LSA rules that ended on Jan 31
of this year that allowed illegal "fat ultralights" to be registered under
that status. Note that her plane is still considered experimental, but it
seems there is no "amateur built" in the FAA's designation (EAB vs ELSA). I
suspect it has pretty much the same operating limitations. Bottom line is
it doesn't seem to mean much.

[[email protected]]

> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.

IMHO building an aircraft is an impressive accomplishment for any
human being -- but at 14 and a girl to boot it's really over the top.
I have never heard of something like that. It didn't seem like her
parents were pushing her on it, either. She's just really motivated.

The youtube video is cool -- can one be a certified pilot in Canada at
14 or is that a reporting error?

I hope her story will inspire other young girls (and boys) to do cool
stuff in aviation.

[Jim Logajan]

wrote:
> The youtube video is cool -- can one be a certified pilot in Canada at
> 14 or is that a reporting error?

According to Canadian regs, she'd have to be at least 14 to get a
student pilot permit:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part4/Standards/421.htm#421_19

This page has links to the minimum qualifications in Canada for the various
permits and certificates:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/general/personnel/faq.htm

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Gig 601XL Builder" > wrote

> I did and it is under the (special that ended 1/31/08) E-LSA rules and
> I can't find anything to counter that in the rules. As far as I'm
> concerned it's a real bad idea from a liability standpoint. I told her
> that in an e-mail right after I told her that I thought she was an
> amazing young lady.

Yep. Driven, and full of life!

I have a feeling that she is highly supported by her dad, and that they are
not hurting for money, much. ;-)

She must do most of her flying in Canada, so it reads.

There are times like these, that make me want to see some flexibility in the
age rules for getting your ticket. It sure would seem like she is ready for
an FAA one.
--
Jim in NC

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Bob Fry wrote:
> I don't get this statement:
>
> As an aircraft manufacturer, Sabrina's most exciting moment was "When
> I was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger
> Warning label."
>
> Can someone explain?

She got her AW certificate under the E-LSA rules not the E-HB rules. In
what was probably an oversight on the FAAs part there is no requirement
for the standard disclaimer to appear.

These rule apply long term to aircraft that are produced from kits that
EXACTLY match an aircraft built under the less stringent (than certified
aircraft) LSA standards. Her particular plane, since it is from a kit
that doesn't exactly match a LSA would not normally qualify. But there
was an exemption to get the fat ultralight into the system that expired
1/31/08 and she got her AW cert under that.

What I don't understand is what she means by being allowed to remove the
warning. The only thing I can think is that she put it on there and they
told her or she found out that it wasn't required.

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 10, 6:47*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

What a refreshing story. Wish I was like that at her age. You go
girl!

Wil

[[email protected]]

On Feb 13, 7:35*am, William Hung > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 6:47*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
> > What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> > and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> >http://sabrina.aero/
>
> > Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> > be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> > My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> > spaceships available in a decade or two.
>
> What a refreshing story. *Wish I was like that at her age. * You go
> girl!
>
> Wil

Anybody have her email addy or more information on the spacecraft
claim? Someone added a wikipedia piece at
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_private_spaceflight_compan ies&curid=5095560&diff=192016117&oldid=191567543
. I'm not sure how confident I am in the claim that she will make her
own spacecraft by 2018, especially after reading some of the comments
here regarding her not actually designing the aircraft. I don't want
to cast any doubt on her abilities, but intelligent or not, it's hard
to believe she'll fly to mars in a craft of her own design by age 24.

Terence Clark

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

wrote:
> On Feb 13, 7:35 am, William Hung > wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 6:47 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>>
>>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
>>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>> http://sabrina.aero/
>>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
>>> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
>>> spaceships available in a decade or two.
>> What a refreshing story. Wish I was like that at her age. You go
>> girl!
>>
>> Wil
>
> Anybody have her email addy or more information on the spacecraft
> claim? Someone added a wikipedia piece at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_private_spaceflight_compan ies&curid=5095560&diff=192016117&oldid=191567543
> . I'm not sure how confident I am in the claim that she will make her
> own spacecraft by 2018, especially after reading some of the comments
> here regarding her not actually designing the aircraft. I don't want
> to cast any doubt on her abilities, but intelligent or not, it's hard
> to believe she'll fly to mars in a craft of her own design by age 24.
>
> Terence Clark

I'm pretty sure it was a joke.