OT? Dumbing down of society

[Private]

There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing down of
society in regards to stalls and flight training and piloting in general,
this author shares many of the same feelings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=9813e31206335cfb&ex=1203224400&pagewanted=print

Happy landings,

[Gene Seibel]

On Feb 15, 9:33*pm, "Private" > wrote:
> There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing down of
> society in regards to stalls and flight training and piloting in general,
> this author shares many of the same feelings.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=98...
>
> Happy landings,

So very reminiscent of the dark ages when the ruling class kept the
peasants ignorant to control and tax them.
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Ken S. Tucker]

On Feb 15, 7:33 pm, "Private" > wrote:
> There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing down of
> society in regards to stalls and flight training and piloting in general,
> this author shares many of the same feelings.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=98...
> Happy landings,

Thanks. I think America peaked in about 1970,
after that was a back-lash due to Vietnam, Apollo,
nucular energy, watergate...etc...American's were
good industrial engineers but usually imported the
scientists.
Eisenhower then Kennedy attempted to install a
scientific respect in American culture with mixed
results.
BULLETIN JUST IN: Flash, Director of GAO resigned.
Must cut short my post.
Ken

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Gene Seibel > posted:

> On Feb 15, 9:33 pm, "Private" > wrote:
>> There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing
>> down of society in regards to stalls and flight training and
>> piloting in general, this author shares many of the same feelings.
>>
>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=98...
>>
>> Happy landings,
>
> So very reminiscent of the dark ages when the ruling class kept the
> peasants ignorant to control and tax them.
>
Sounds a lot like how things are now in the USA. Spend money on anything
other than education, and make the education system as ineffective as
possible.

Neil

[Phil J]

On Feb 15, 9:33*pm, "Private" > wrote:
> There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing down of
> society in regards to stalls and flight training and piloting in general,
> this author shares many of the same feelings.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=98...
>
> Happy landings,

It's not satisfying for some reason to think this, but in general the
world has been getting better, not worse...

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/15121636.html?page=1

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

The header says it all.



Bertie

[BakedandFried]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> Bertie

I think, or not, therefore I spend. Waht was the qeustoinh?


Crikey. We need a new 'Enlightenment'.

Sad to say, but sometimes....just sometimes...I wonder if...perhaps...if
Hitler had had television...and in particular 'reality' TV....if he couldn't
have helped out the gene pool....given another 20 years or
so....seriously....

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"BakedandFried" > wrote in
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> The header says it all.
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>> Bertie
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> I think, or not, therefore I spend. Waht was the qeustoinh?
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> Crikey. We need a new 'Enlightenment'.
>
> Sad to say, but sometimes....just sometimes...I wonder
> if...perhaps...if Hitler had had television..



He did. His was the first reality show. '36 Olympics..

Bertie

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On Feb 15, 8:33 pm, "Private" > wrote:
> There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing down of
> society in regards to stalls and flight training and piloting in general,
> this author shares many of the same feelings.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=98...
>
> Happy landings,

Related to rote learning. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rote_learning

Many pilots (way too many) commit facts to memory to get past
the flight and written exams. It's rote learning, without the
understanding necessary to be safe. Exams tend to encourage that sort
of thing.

Dan

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On Feb 17, 3:12 pm, wrote:
> On Feb 15, 8:33 pm, "Private" > wrote:
>
> > There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing down of
> > society in regards to stalls and flight training and piloting in general,
> > this author shares many of the same feelings.
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=98...
>
> > Happy landings,
>
> Related to rote learning. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rote_learning
>
> Many pilots (way too many) commit facts to memory to get past
> the flight and written exams. It's rote learning, without the
> understanding necessary to be safe. Exams tend to encourage that sort
> of thing.
>
> Dan

Well yeah... See the Stall thread about all the Sunday Blue sky
cowboys who crap their satin panties when they get some buffet let
alone a full stall.

Our society is breeding a generation of panty waisted sissy marys who
quake at the thought pushing the envelope. Without anti lock brakes
and GPS they couldn't find their collective arses to wipe off the
dingle berries. Thank God they'll die politically correct with a full
load of estrogen coursing through their manly 12" arms and smooth
satiny 12" pencil necks.

[gatt[_2_]]

> wrote in message news:e72e9a17-5962-4973-85d5-


> Many pilots (way too many) commit facts to memory to get past
> the flight and written exams. It's rote learning, without the
> understanding necessary to be safe. Exams tend to encourage that sort
> of thing.


Ironically, the FAA exams (including the Fundamentals of Instruction, which
preaches the pitfalls of rote memorization) are exercises in rote learning
because ASA, Gleim, etc publish the questions and answers to the written
exams.

I used them and scored 90s on the written exams, but I still feel like I
short-changed my own aviation education, so I've taken to re-reading the
Jeppeson instrument/commercial manual to reinforce my understanding of the
concepts.



-c

[B A R R Y]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:36:43 -0600, "Neil Gould"
> wrote:

>In the case of the Gleim materials, the wrong "answers" are also
>published, and learning can be enhanced by understanding why they are
>wrong. I found it to be very informative for the conceptual areas, though
>less so for the regs.

King does the same in their courses. I've also found that wrong
answers can often clarify my understanding.

[Don Tabor]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:33:23 -0700, "Private" >
wrote:

>There has been a lot of discussion here lately regarding the dumbing down of
>society in regards to stalls and flight training and piloting in general,
>this author shares many of the same feelings.

Might want to rent a movie called "Idiocracy"




Virginia - the only State with a flag rated
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[Neil Gould]

Recently, gatt > posted:

> > wrote in message
> news:e72e9a17-5962-4973-85d5-
>
>
>> Many pilots (way too many) commit facts to memory to get past
>> the flight and written exams. It's rote learning, without the
>> understanding necessary to be safe. Exams tend to encourage that sort
>> of thing.
>
>
> Ironically, the FAA exams (including the Fundamentals of Instruction,
> which preaches the pitfalls of rote memorization) are exercises in
> rote learning because ASA, Gleim, etc publish the questions and
> answers to the written exams.
>
In the case of the Gleim materials, the wrong "answers" are also
published, and learning can be enhanced by understanding why they are
wrong. I found it to be very informative for the conceptual areas, though
less so for the regs.

> I used them and scored 90s on the written exams, but I still feel
> like I short-changed my own aviation education, so I've taken to
> re-reading the Jeppeson instrument/commercial manual to reinforce my
> understanding of the concepts.
>
One can also take ground schools, where there is a chance to discuss the
concepts in depth with instructors and students. I found them to be more
helpful than just reading the text, particularly for the instrument ground
school course.

Neil

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-02-17, > wrote:
> Many pilots (way too many) commit facts to memory to get past
> the flight and written exams. It's rote learning, without the
> understanding necessary to be safe. Exams tend to encourage that sort
> of thing.

There should be more emphasis on the oral (in which the examiner can ask
any pertinent question to the rating sought) and less on writtens. Over
here, there is no oral but a whole battery of written tests. The US
system of a relatively trivial written, but also an oral test is better;
an examiner can tell far better if the student really understands the
material much better than automatically graded multiple choice.

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