Cherokee 180 tug?

[Phil Jeffery]

Does anyone have experience of using a Piper Cherokee 180 as glider tug and
how effective, or otherwise, it was?

[Ralph Jones[_2_]]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:20:40 -0000, "Phil Jeffery"
> wrote:

>Does anyone have experience of using a Piper Cherokee 180 as glider tug and
>how effective, or otherwise, it was?
>
I was towed by one at Hobbs long ago, and it was downright disturbing.
The towpilot (who was, admittedly, not way up there on the competence
scale) had a terrible time handling it at towing speed, and if you
held a Cherokee model in your hand and turned it this way and that,
you'd find very few viewing aspects I didn't see at one time or
another...;-)

rj

[Papa3]

On Feb 17, 12:46*pm, Ralph Jones > wrote:
>and if you
> held a Cherokee model in your hand and turned it this way and that,
> you'd find very few viewing aspects I didn't see at one time or
> another...;-)
>
> rj

Big chuckle!

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 17, 2:20*am, "Phil Jeffery" >
wrote:
> Does anyone have experience of using a Piper Cherokee 180 as glider tug and
> how effective, or otherwise, it was?

I own a PA28-180 and never in my wildest dreams have I considered
towing with it.

I see you are in UK so with lower density altitudes than I'm used to
in SW USA it might be possible to use it to tow light single seaters.
Certainly would not be my first choice for a tow plane and I wouldn't
be the first one to hook up behind it.

Andy

[Robert Danewid]

Phil Jeffery skrev:
> Does anyone have experience of using a Piper Cherokee 180 as glider tug and
> how effective, or otherwise, it was?
>
>
We have/had a few of them in Sweden. They have a long take off run, but
once airborne they climb more or less like a Super Cub. The gliding club
of Eksiltuna (site of the WGC 2006) had one for many years. They put a
silencer and a four bladed Hoffmann prop on it. Worked quite well.

Robert
ASW 28-18E "RD"
CD WGC2006

[Bruce]

Cherokee 180 - can't comment, but I have been up behind a Dakota (235HP
Cherokee) a few times, in a Duo Discus. Apart from the weird view of the top of
the cabin it was a pleasant enough experience. We even out climbed the Glide
Omarama Fatman once!
The ground run felt long, but then I am not used to the Duo so can't compare.

OK - the tug pilot was good too, so maybe he flattered it, but the Dakota was
pretty stable.

Bruce

Ralph Jones wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:20:40 -0000, "Phil Jeffery"
> > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience of using a Piper Cherokee 180 as glider tug and
>> how effective, or otherwise, it was?
>>
> I was towed by one at Hobbs long ago, and it was downright disturbing.
> The towpilot (who was, admittedly, not way up there on the competence
> scale) had a terrible time handling it at towing speed, and if you
> held a Cherokee model in your hand and turned it this way and that,
> you'd find very few viewing aspects I didn't see at one time or
> another...;-)
>
> rj

[haven]

On Feb 17, 1:11*pm, Andy > wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2:20*am, "Phil Jeffery" >
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have experience of using a Piper Cherokee 180 as glider tug and
> > how effective, or otherwise, it was?
>
> I own a PA28-180 and never in my wildest dreams have I considered
> towing with it.
>
> I see you are in UK so with lower density altitudes than I'm used to
> in SW USA it might be possible to use it to tow light single seaters.
> Certainly would not be my first choice for a tow plane and I wouldn't
> be the first one to hook up behind it.
>
> Andy

We have 2 PA28-235s in use at sea level in Hollister. They regularly
tow SGS 2-32s @max gross wt to 8k for rides over Monterey Bay. Not
the same performance as our PA25-235 but easier to get tow pilots
because of insurance problems! Haven