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[William Hung[_2_]]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU

I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
even smaller. Would any of you fly it?

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

William Hung > wrote in news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
:

> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
> even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>

That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I think it still
holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record. there were a few
homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing contest for the smallest around
that time.
He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the takeoff. One of
the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t work worth a damn because
it wasn't possible to get the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..


Bertie

[WingFlaps]

On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote in news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> :
>
> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> > iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I think it still
> holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record. there were a few
> homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing contest for the smallest around
> that time.
> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the takeoff. One of
> the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t work worth a damn because
> it wasn't possible to get the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..
>

Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM


Cheers

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

WingFlaps > wrote in
:

> On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote in
>> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
>> :
>>
>> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>> > iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I think it
>> still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record. there were a
>> few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing contest for the
>> smallest aroun
> d
>> that time.
>> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the takeoff. One
>> of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t work worth a damn
>> because it wasn't possible to get the pitot far enough away from the
>> prop wash..
>>
>
> Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM

Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine. There's at
least one that flew with two model airplane jet engines! There's another
youtube clip somewhere of one doing some low level aerobatics.

[Phil J]

On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> WingFlaps > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> >> :
>
> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> >> > iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I think it
> >> still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record. there were a
> >> few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing contest for the
> >> smallest aroun
> > d
> >> that time.
> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the takeoff. One
> >> of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t work worth a damn
> >> because it wasn't possible to get the pitot far enough away from the
> >> prop wash..
>
> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine. There's at
> least one that flew with two model airplane jet engines! There's another
> youtube clip somewhere of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Phil J > wrote in
:

> On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> WingFlaps > wrote
>> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
>> >> :
>>
>> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>> >> > iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee,
>> >> > maybe
>
>> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I think
>> >> it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record. there
>> >> were a few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing contest for
>> >> the smallest aroun
>> > d
>> >> that time.
>> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the takeoff.
>> >> One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t work worth
>> >> a damn because it wasn't possible to get the pitot far enough away
>> >> from the prop wash..
>>
>> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>>
>> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>>
>> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine. There's
>> at least one that flew with two model airplane jet engines! There's
>> another youtube clip somewhere of one doing some low level
>> aerobatics.- Hide quote
> d text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>
> http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>

How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once it's
up and going it's fine.

Bertie

[Phil J]

On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Phil J > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> WingFlaps > wrote
> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> > :
>
> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> >> >> > iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee,
> >> >> > maybe
>
> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I think
> >> >> it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record. there
> >> >> were a few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing contest for
> >> >> the smallest aroun
> >> > d
> >> >> that time.
> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the takeoff.
> >> >> One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t work worth
> >> >> a damn because it wasn't possible to get the pitot far enough away
> >> >> from the prop wash..
>
> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine. There's
> >> at least one that flew with two model airplane jet engines! There's
> >> another youtube clip somewhere of one doing some low level
> >> aerobatics.- Hide quote
> > d text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>
> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>
> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once it's
> up and going it's fine.
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those engines!

Phil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Phil J > wrote in
:

> On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Phil J > wrote
>> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> WingFlaps > wrote
>> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
>> > :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
>> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find
>> >> >> > it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
>> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>>
>> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
>> >> >> think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record.
>> >> >> there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing
>> >> >> contest for the smallest aroun
>> >> > d
>> >> >> that time.
>> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
>> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t
>> >> >> work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get the pitot
>> >> >> far enough away from the prop wash..
>>
>> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>>
>> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>>
>> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
>> >> There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
>> >> engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing some
>> >> low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
>> > d text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>>
>> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>
>> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
>> it's up and going it's fine.
>>
>> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those engines!


How about four of 'em?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related

Bertie

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Phil J > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
> > :
>
> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> >> > :
>
> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find
> >> >> >> > it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>
> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
> >> >> >> think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record.
> >> >> >> there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing
> >> >> >> contest for the smallest aroun
> >> >> > d
> >> >> >> that time.
> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t
> >> >> >> work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get the pitot
> >> >> >> far enough away from the prop wash..
>
> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
> >> >> There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
> >> >> engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing some
> >> >> low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
> >> > d text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>
> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>
> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
> >> it's up and going it's fine.
>
> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those engines!
>
> How about four of 'em?
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Saw that, the guy's got balls.

I like the Cri Cri, once I get enough experience, I just might get me
one O'Dem.

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Phil J > wrote
>> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> Phil J > wrote
>> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
>> > :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
>> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
>> >> > :
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
>> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might
>> >> >> >> > find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
>> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>>
>> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
>> >> >> >> think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
>> >> >> >> record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a
>> >> >> >> ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
>> >> >> > d
>> >> >> >> that time.
>> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
>> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
>> >> >> >> didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get
>> >> >> >> the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..
>>
>> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>>
>> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>>
>> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
>> >> >> There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
>> >> >> engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing
>> >> >> some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
>> >> > d text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>>
>> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>
>> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
>> >> it's up and going it's fine.
>>
>> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
>> > engines!
>>
>> How about four of 'em?
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>>
>> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Saw that, the guy's got balls.
>
> I like the Cri Cri, once I get enough experience, I just might get me
> one O'Dem.
>

Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans available
anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in Ebay. I don't know if
there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore. Someone in RAH
would know, I'm sure.

Bertie

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
> > :
>
> >> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
> >> > :
>
> >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
> >> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> >> >> > :
>
> >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> >> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might
> >> >> >> >> > find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
> >> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>
> >> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
> >> >> >> >> think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
> >> >> >> >> record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a
> >> >> >> >> ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
> >> >> >> > d
> >> >> >> >> that time.
> >> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
> >> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
> >> >> >> >> didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get
> >> >> >> >> the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..
>
> >> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> >> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
> >> >> >> There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
> >> >> >> engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing
> >> >> >> some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
> >> >> > d text -
>
> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>
> >> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>
> >> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
> >> >> it's up and going it's fine.
>
> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
> >> > engines!
>
> >> How about four of 'em?
>
> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>
> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Saw that, the guy's got balls.
>
> > I like the Cri Cri, once I get enough experience, I just might get me
> > one O'Dem.
>
> Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans available
> anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in Ebay. I don't know if
> there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore. Someone in RAH
> would know, I'm sure.
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either Zenith
or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were selling
them and kits in the Americas. Well, long story short, something was
changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think, proved
dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to the Cri Cri for the
Americas deal. They areabundant, relatively, in France however.

My momory and my info may not be correct.

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote
>> innews:de6ab6e4-8ade-46b2-864f-5d83
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> Phil J > wrote
>> >> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
>> > :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> Phil J > wrote
>> >> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
>> >> > :
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
>> >> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
>> >> >> > :
>>
>> >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
>> >> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
>> >> >> >> >> > might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot
>> >> >> >> >> > like the
>
>> >> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK.
>> >> >> >> >> I think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
>> >> >> >> >> record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved
>> >> >> >> >> in a ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
>> >> >> >> > d
>> >> >> >> >> that time.
>> >> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
>> >> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
>> >> >> >> >> didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to
>> >> >> >> >> get the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..
>>
>> >> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>>
>> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>>
>> >> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
>> >> >> >> machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
>> >> >> >> airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere
>> >> >> >> of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
>> >> >> > d text -
>>
>> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>
>> >> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but
>> >> >> once it's up and going it's fine.
>>
>> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
>> >> > engines!
>>
>> >> How about four of 'em?
>>
>> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>>
>> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Saw that, the guy's got balls.
>>
>> > I like the Cri Cri, once I get enough experience, I just might get
>> > me one O'Dem.
>>
>> Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans available
>> anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in Ebay. I don't know
>> if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore. Someone
>> in RAH would know, I'm sure.
>>
>> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either Zenith
> or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were selling
> them and kits in the Americas. Well, long story short, something was
> changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think, proved
> dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to the Cri Cri for the
> Americas deal. They areabundant, relatively, in France however.
>
> My momory and my info may not be correct.
>

Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem if
the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal airplanes
glued together for a very long time!


Bertie

[kontiki]

William Hung wrote:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
> even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>
> Wil

I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.

"If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
then file a lawsuit against it."

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

kontiki > wrote in news:kZFvj.4711$Sa1.756
@news02.roc.ny:

> William Hung wrote:
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>> iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>> even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> Wil
>
> I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
> aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
> general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
> Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
> what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
> taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.
>
> "If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
> then file a lawsuit against it."
>

Nah, there's more going on in GA than there has been for years. LSA's, high
performance machines like the RVs, and homebuilts in space!

Bertie

[kontiki]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> kontiki > wrote in news:kZFvj.4711$Sa1.756
> @news02.roc.ny:
>
>> William Hung wrote:
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>>
>>> I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>>> iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>>> even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>>>
>>> Wil
>> I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
>> aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
>> general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
>> Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
>> what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
>> taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.
>>
>> "If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
>> then file a lawsuit against it."
>>
>
> Nah, there's more going on in GA than there has been for years. LSA's, high
> performance machines like the RVs, and homebuilts in space!
>
> Bertie

maybe, but its not really promoted in the media. And Lord help
you if somebody gets hurt, theres an army of lawyers waiting
to cash in.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

kontiki > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> kontiki > wrote in news:kZFvj.4711$Sa1.756
>> @news02.roc.ny:
>>
>>> William Hung wrote:
>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>>>
>>>> I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>>>> iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>>>> even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>>>>
>>>> Wil
>>> I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
>>> aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
>>> general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
>>> Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
>>> what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
>>> taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.
>>>
>>> "If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
>>> then file a lawsuit against it."
>>>
>>
>> Nah, there's more going on in GA than there has been for years.
>> LSA's, high performance machines like the RVs, and homebuilts in
>> space!
>>
>> Bertie
>
> maybe, but its not really promoted in the media.

And thank god for that!

And Lord help
> you if somebody gets hurt, theres an army of lawyers waiting
> to cash in.

True.. I know exaclty what you mean about the enthusiasm and the feeling
that there was in those days, though. In the thirties pilots ( famous
ones) were like rock stars. Every minute of every record setting flight
was followed by the world, the air races were packed and every schoolboy
knew the names and stats of every racer, pilot and airplane. In the
fifties all these new amazing contraptions were being built. Imagine,
less than twenty years between the Boeing 247 and the 707. Biplane
fighter to F102 as well. Vertical takeoff weirness of all description.
Cool.



Bertie

[kontiki]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> kontiki > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> kontiki > wrote in news:kZFvj.4711$Sa1.756
>>> @news02.roc.ny:
>>>
>>>> William Hung wrote:
>>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>>>>
>>>>> I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>>>>> iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>>>>> even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wil
>>>> I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
>>>> aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
>>>> general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
>>>> Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
>>>> what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
>>>> taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.
>>>>
>>>> "If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
>>>> then file a lawsuit against it."
>>>>
>>> Nah, there's more going on in GA than there has been for years.
>>> LSA's, high performance machines like the RVs, and homebuilts in
>>> space!
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> maybe, but its not really promoted in the media.
>
> And thank god for that!
>
> And Lord help
>> you if somebody gets hurt, theres an army of lawyers waiting
>> to cash in.
>
> True.. I know exaclty what you mean about the enthusiasm and the feeling
> that there was in those days, though. In the thirties pilots ( famous
> ones) were like rock stars. Every minute of every record setting flight
> was followed by the world, the air races were packed and every schoolboy
> knew the names and stats of every racer, pilot and airplane. In the
> fifties all these new amazing contraptions were being built. Imagine,
> less than twenty years between the Boeing 247 and the 707. Biplane
> fighter to F102 as well. Vertical takeoff weirness of all description.
> Cool.
>
Yup. Those were the good ol' days. When I was a kid in the sixties
I read every book in the library about space flight, aircraft and
aviation technology (and history). Things are different today and I
think our tendency toward risk aversion, litigation and regulation
has taken alot of fun and excitement out of it for the younger
generations. Too bad... maybe one day the pendulum will swing back in
the other direction.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

kontiki > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> kontiki > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> kontiki > wrote in news:kZFvj.4711$Sa1.756
>>>> @news02.roc.ny:
>>>>
>>>>> William Hung wrote:
>>>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>>>>>> iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee,
>>>>>> maybe even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wil
>>>>> I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
>>>>> aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
>>>>> general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
>>>>> Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
>>>>> what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
>>>>> taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.
>>>>>
>>>>> "If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
>>>>> then file a lawsuit against it."
>>>>>
>>>> Nah, there's more going on in GA than there has been for years.
>>>> LSA's, high performance machines like the RVs, and homebuilts in
>>>> space!
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> maybe, but its not really promoted in the media.
>>
>> And thank god for that!
>>
>> And Lord help
>>> you if somebody gets hurt, theres an army of lawyers waiting
>>> to cash in.
>>
>> True.. I know exaclty what you mean about the enthusiasm and the
>> feeling that there was in those days, though. In the thirties pilots
>> ( famous ones) were like rock stars. Every minute of every record
>> setting flight was followed by the world, the air races were packed
>> and every schoolboy knew the names and stats of every racer, pilot
>> and airplane. In the fifties all these new amazing contraptions were
>> being built. Imagine, less than twenty years between the Boeing 247
>> and the 707. Biplane fighter to F102 as well. Vertical takeoff
>> weirness of all description. Cool.
>>
> Yup. Those were the good ol' days. When I was a kid in the sixties
> I read every book in the library about space flight, aircraft and
> aviation technology (and history). Things are different today and I
> think our tendency toward risk aversion, litigation and regulation
> has taken alot of fun and excitement out of it for the younger
> generations. Too bad... maybe one day the pendulum will swing back in
> the other direction.
>

Well, I know at least one who is up and coming... I hope he has
something decent to fly!


Bertie

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

William Hung wrote:
>http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
>I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>
>Wil

WTF...how did they handle the anti-torque on that GIANT hecilopter. I didn't
see a tail rotor.

--
Message posted via AviationKB.com
http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200802/1

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote in
news:802280d2f59d1@uwe:

> William Hung wrote:
>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>>I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>>iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>>even smaller. Would any of you fly it?
>>
>>Wil
>
> WTF...how did they handle the anti-torque on that GIANT hecilopter. I
> didn't see a tail rotor.
>

Jet tip.

Bertie

[Phil J]

On Feb 22, 12:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Phil J > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
> > :
>
> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> >> > :
>
> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find
> >> >> >> > it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>
> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
> >> >> >> think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan) record.
> >> >> >> there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a ****ing
> >> >> >> contest for the smallest aroun
> >> >> > d
> >> >> >> that time.
> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI didn;'t
> >> >> >> work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get the pitot
> >> >> >> far enough away from the prop wash..
>
> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
> >> >> There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
> >> >> engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing some
> >> >> low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
> >> > d text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>
> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>
> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
> >> it's up and going it's fine.
>
> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those engines!
>
> How about four of 'em?
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wonder how long it will be before that shows up in a James Bond
movie?

Phil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Phil J > wrote in
:

> On Feb 22, 12:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Phil J > wrote
>> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> Phil J > wrote
>> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
>> > :
>>
>> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
>> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
>> >> > :
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
>> >> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might
>> >> >> >> > find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the
>> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>>
>> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK. I
>> >> >> >> think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
>> >> >> >> record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved in a
>> >> >> >> ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
>> >> >> > d
>> >> >> >> that time.
>> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
>> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
>> >> >> >> didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to get
>> >> >> >> the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..
>>
>> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>>
>> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>>
>> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool machine.
>> >> >> There's at least one that flew with two model airplane jet
>> >> >> engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere of one doing
>> >> >> some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
>> >> > d text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > Here are some photos of the Cri Cri jet...
>>
>> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>
>> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but once
>> >> it's up and going it's fine.
>>
>> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
>> > engines!
>>
>> How about four of 'em?
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>>
>> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I wonder how long it will be before that shows up in a James Bond
> movie?

Hehe. Not long I'd say!

Bertie

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 22, 6:54*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote innews:802280d2f59d1@uwe:
>
> > William Hung wrote:
> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >>I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> >>iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
> >>even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >>Wil
>
> > WTF...how did they handle the anti-torque on that GIANT hecilopter. I
> > didn't see a tail rotor.
>
> Jet tip.
>
> Bertie

Yeah there are several tip jet helicopters out there, The Atlas uses
hydrogen peroxide tip jets (steam).

http://www.advancedtechnologiesinc.com/uav_rotorcraft_atlas.asp

The Hiller Hornet uses small karosene burning jet engines at the tips.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/helicopters/q0141.shtml

The Djinn uses bleed air from a turbine engine I believe.

http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?ContentBlockID=954d5715-53e0-47e8-9703-5c6e9cba87a3&cat=7

Looks like that big beast at the end also uses blreed air from those
four turbines mounted on the fuselage.

Wil

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 22, 3:08*pm, kontiki > wrote:
> William Hung wrote:
> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> > iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> > Wil
>
> I do love those old 1950's era newsreels, especially about
> aviation. They seem so full of optimism and enthusiasm for
> general aviation... there seemed to be so much promise.
> Sort of bittersweet to see not only how far we've come but
> what it cost. Today its Big Green Government... they've
> taken over every free endeavor including general aviation.
>
> "If you can't tax it then regulate it, if you can't regulate it
> then file a lawsuit against it."

I know what you mean. Sometimes I wish I was born during those
periods. Those were the days when men were men.

Wil

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 22, 2:56*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> William Hung > wrote
> >> innews:de6ab6e4-8ade-46b2-864f-5d83
> > :
>
> >> > On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> >> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
> >> > :
>
> >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> >> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
> >> >> > :
>
> >> >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
> >> >> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> >> >> >> > :
>
> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> >> >> >> >> >> :
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >> >> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
> >> >> >> >> >> > might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot
> >> >> >> >> >> > like the
>
> >> >> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>
> >> >> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK.
> >> >> >> >> >> I think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
> >> >> >> >> >> record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved
> >> >> >> >> >> in a ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
> >> >> >> >> > d
> >> >> >> >> >> that time.
> >> >> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
> >> >> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
> >> >> >> >> >> didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to
> >> >> >> >> >> get the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..
>
> >> >> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> >> >> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
> >> >> >> >> machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
> >> >> >> >> airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere
> >> >> >> >> of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
> >> >> >> > d text -
>
> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> > Here are some photos of theCriCrijet...
>
> >> >> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>
> >> >> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but
> >> >> >> once it's up and going it's fine.
>
> >> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
> >> >> > engines!
>
> >> >> How about four of 'em?
>
> >> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>
> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Saw that, the guy's got balls.
>
> >> > I like theCriCri, once I get enough experience, I just might get
> >> > me one O'Dem.
>
> >> Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans available
> >> anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in Ebay. I don't know
> >> if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore. Someone
> >> in RAH would know, I'm sure.
>
> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either Zenith
> > or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were selling
> > them and kits in the Americas. *Well, long story short, something was
> > changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think, proved
> > dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to theCriCrifor the
> > Americas deal. *They areabundant, relatively, in France however.
>
> > My momory and my info may not be correct.
>
> Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem if
> the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal airplanes
> glued together for a very long time!
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCMRNagq0&feature=related

Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. Very Nice. Some other
'New Thinking' designs there as well. Who said GA is dead? Certainly
not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
US.

Wil

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 23, 12:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2:56*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Hung > wrote :
>
> > > On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> > >> William Hung > wrote
> > >> innews:de6ab6e4-8ade-46b2-864f-5d83
> > > :
>
> > >> > On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> > >> >> Phil J > wrote
> > >> >> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
> > >> > :
>
> > >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> > >> >> >> Phil J > wrote
> > >> >> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
> > >> >> > :
>
> > >> >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
> > >> >> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> > >> >> >> > :
>
> > >> >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> > >> >> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> > >> >> >> >> >> :
>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
> > >> >> >> >> >> > might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot
> > >> >> >> >> >> > like the
>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> > >> >> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum AFAIK.
> > >> >> >> >> >> I think it still holds the smallest airplane ( wingspan)
> > >> >> >> >> >> record. there were a few homebuilders that got involved
> > >> >> >> >> >> in a ****ing contest for the smallest aroun
> > >> >> >> >> > d
> > >> >> >> >> >> that time.
> > >> >> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on the
> > >> >> >> >> >> takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was the ASI
> > >> >> >> >> >> didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't possible to
> > >> >> >> >> >> get the pitot far enough away from the prop wash..
>
> > >> >> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> > >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> > >> >> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
> > >> >> >> >> machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
> > >> >> >> >> airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip somewhere
> > >> >> >> >> of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
> > >> >> >> > d text -
>
> > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> >> >> > Here are some photos of theCriCrijet...
>
> > >> >> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>
> > >> >> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long, but
> > >> >> >> once it's up and going it's fine.
>
> > >> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> >> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up those
> > >> >> > engines!
>
> > >> >> How about four of 'em?
>
> > >> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>
> > >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> > Saw that, the guy's got balls.
>
> > >> > I like theCriCri, once I get enough experience, I just might get
> > >> > me one O'Dem.
>
> > >> Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans available
> > >> anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in Ebay. I don't know
> > >> if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore. Someone
> > >> in RAH would know, I'm sure.
>
> > >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either Zenith
> > > or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were selling
> > > them and kits in the Americas. *Well, long story short, something was
> > > changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think, proved
> > > dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to theCriCrifor the
> > > Americas deal. *They areabundant, relatively, in France however.
>
> > > My momory and my info may not be correct.
>
> > Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem if
> > the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal airplanes
> > glued together for a very long time!
>
> > Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCMRNagq0&feature=related
>
> Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
> 'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead? *Certainly
> not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
> US.
>
> Wil- Hide quoted text -
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Also check out the AeroCar at 4:11. Wow!

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

William Hung > wrote in
:

>

>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCMRNagq0&feature=related
>
> Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. Very Nice. Some other
> 'New Thinking' designs there as well. Who said GA is dead? Certainly
> not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
> US.

Pretty cool alright. I don't think it has anything to do with the Cri Cri.
The two cub type thngs at 3:04 are made in the Czech republic. Modern cubs
with rotax engines and good performance and they're not all that expensive
either.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Feb 23, 12:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 2:56*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > William Hung > wrote
>> > innews:7c2c6a12-e59d-471c-8614-a3
> :
>>
>> > > On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> > >> William Hung > wrote
>> > >> innews:de6ab6e4-8ade-46b2-864f-5d83
>> > > :
>>
>> > >> > On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> > >> >> Phil J > wrote
>> > >> >> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
>> > >> > :
>>
>> > >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> > >> >> >> Phil J > wrote
>> > >> >> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
>> > >> >> > :
>>
>> > >> >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> > >> >> >> > wrote:
>
>> > >> >> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
>> > >> >> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
>> > >> >> >> > :
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> > >> >> >> >> > wrot
> e:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> > >> >> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
>> > >> >> >> >> >> :
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
>> > >> >> >> >> >> > might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks
>> > >> >> >> >> >> > a l
> ot
>> > >> >> >> >> >> > like the
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum
>> > >> >> >> >> >> AFAIK. I think it still holds the smallest airplane
>> > >> >> >> >> >> ( wingspan) record. there were a few homebuilders
>> > >> >> >> >> >> that got involved in a ****ing contest for the
>> > >> >> >> >> >> smallest aroun
>> > >> >> >> >> > d
>> > >> >> >> >> >> that time.
>> > >> >> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on
>> > >> >> >> >> >> the takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was
>> > >> >> >> >> >> the ASI didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't
>> > >> >> >> >> >> possible to get the pitot far enough away from the
>> > >> >> >> >> >> prop wash..
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
>> > >> >> >> >> machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
>> > >> >> >> >> airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip
>> > >> >> >> >> somewhere
>
>> > >> >> >> >> of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
>> > >> >> >> > d text -
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > >> >> >> > Here are some photos of theCriCrijet...
>>
>> > >> >> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>
>> > >> >> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long,
>> > >> >> >> but once it's up and going it's fine.
>>
>> > >> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > >> >> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up
>> > >> >> > those engines!
>>
>> > >> >> How about four of 'em?
>>
>> > >> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>>
>> > >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > >> > Saw that, the guy's got balls.
>>
>> > >> > I like theCriCri, once I get enough experience, I just might
>> > >> > get me one O'Dem.
>>
>> > >> Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans
>> > >> available anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in
>> > >> Ebay. I don't know
>
>> > >> if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore.
>> > >> Someone in RAH would know, I'm sure.
>>
>> > >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either
>> > > Zenith
>
>> > > or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were
>> > > selling
>
>> > > them and kits in the Americas. *Well, long story short, something
>> > > wa
> s
>> > > changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think,
>> > > proved dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to
>> > > theCriCrifor the Americas deal. *They areabundant, relatively, in
>> > > France however.
>>
>> > > My momory and my info may not be correct.
>>
>> > Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem
>> > if the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal
>> > airplanes glued together for a very long time!
>>
>> > Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCMRNagq0&feature=related
>>
>> Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
>> 'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead?
>> *Certainly
>
>> not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
>> US.
>>
>> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Also check out the AeroCar at 4:11. Wow!
>

Yeah, it seems to be alive and well. None of them really appeal to me, I
want a Monocoupe!

Bertie

[Dana M. Hague]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:42:46 -0800 (PST), William Hung
> wrote:

>http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
>I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>iteresing. That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
>even smaller. Would any of you fly it?

In a word... NO.

In an interview with designer, he described it as "marginally
controllable.

Now the Cri-Cri, mentioned elsewhere in this thread, THAT'S an
airplane I'd love to fly!

-Dana

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[Phil J]

On Feb 23, 11:03*am, William Hung > wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCMRNagq0&feature=related
>
> Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
> 'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead? *Certainly
> not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
> US.
>
> Wil

Another unusual design in there. It's got a 2-cylinder BMW motorcycle
engine mounted behind the cabin, driving the prop through a shaft that
runs between the seats. Here's a link: http://www.aerojames.com/index.php?section=appareil

Phil

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 23, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 12:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> >> On Feb 22, 2:56*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> > William Hung > wrote
> >> > innews:7c2c6a12-e59d-471c-8614-a3
> > :
>
> >> > > On Feb 22, 2:25*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> > >> William Hung > wrote
> >> > >> innews:de6ab6e4-8ade-46b2-864f-5d83
> >> > > :
>
> >> > >> > On Feb 22, 1:58*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> > >> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> > >> >> innews:2730f5bf-c1b9-4619-9c0c-cf8a7b
> >> > >> > :
>
> >> > >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:48*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> Phil J > wrote
> >> > >> >> >> innews:b0042c55-b4fa-4580-982c-1b3b29
> >> > >> >> > :
>
> >> > >> >> >> > On Feb 22, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
> >> > >> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> WingFlaps > wrote
> >> > >> >> >> >> innews:4354685b-eb07-4141-b342-53922
> >> > >> >> >> > :
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 4:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip >
> >> > >> >> >> >> > wrot
> > e:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> news:0863c542-d316-41d4-96c4-
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> :
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > might find it iteresing. *That second plane looks
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > a l
> > ot
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > like the
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > bumblebee, maybe
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> That's Ray Stits' Skybaby. It's in the EAA museum
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> AFAIK. I think it still holds the smallest airplane
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> ( wingspan) record. there were a few homebuilders
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> that got involved in a ****ing contest for the
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> smallest aroun
> >> > >> >> >> >> > d
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> that time.
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> He said it was a handful to fly. You can see that on
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> the takeoff. One of the biggest problems it had was
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> the ASI didn;'t work worth a damn because it wasn't
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> possible to get the pitot far enough away from the
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> prop wash..
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> > Hey Bertie why didn't you build one of these:
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDmnjwbJrVM
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> Saw the first one at OSH many years ago. Pretty cool
> >> > >> >> >> >> machine. There's at least one that flew with two model
> >> > >> >> >> >> airplane jet engines! There's another youtube clip
> >> > >> >> >> >> somewhere
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> of one doing some low level aerobatics.- Hide quote
> >> > >> >> >> > d text -
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > >> >> >> > Here are some photos of theCriCrijet...
>
> >> > >> >> >> >http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>
> >> > >> >> >> How cool is that, eh? IIRC the takeoff roll is very long,
> >> > >> >> >> but once it's up and going it's fine.
>
> >> > >> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > >> >> > Bet it really turns heads on the ramp when you fire up
> >> > >> >> > those engines!
>
> >> > >> >> How about four of 'em?
>
> >> > >> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHYXrqoS08o&feature=related
>
> >> > >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > >> > Saw that, the guy's got balls.
>
> >> > >> > I like theCriCri, once I get enough experience, I just might
> >> > >> > get me one O'Dem.
>
> >> > >> Yeah, they are cool! There doesn't seem to be any plans
> >> > >> available anymore, though someone is selling copies on CD in
> >> > >> Ebay. I don't know
>
> >> > >> if there is some reason he decided no to sell them anymore.
> >> > >> Someone in RAH would know, I'm sure.
>
> >> > >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > > Not sure of the details, but the way I heard it was that either
> >> > > Zenith
>
> >> > > or Zenair had the US or Canandian rights to the plans and were
> >> > > selling
>
> >> > > them and kits in the Americas. *Well, long story short, something
> >> > > wa
> > s
> >> > > changed in the plans, the glue used for the wing skin I think,
> >> > > proved dealy and the US or Canadian lawsuit pu and end to
> >> > > theCriCrifor the Americas deal. *They areabundant, relatively, in
> >> > > France however.
>
> >> > > My momory and my info may not be correct.
>
> >> > Sounds reasonable. I hadn't heard. Adhesive shouldn't be a problem
> >> > if the right stuff is used. God knows there are plenty of metal
> >> > airplanes glued together for a very long time!
>
> >> > Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCMRNagq0&feature=related
>
> >> Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
> >> 'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead?
> >> *Certainly
>
> >> not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
> >> US.
>
> >> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Also check out the AeroCar at 4:11. *Wow!
>
> Yeah, it seems to be alive and well. None of them really appeal to me, I
> want a Monocoupe!
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Think I saw a Merphy Rebel or something like it in there.

Wil

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 23, 5:29*pm, Phil J > wrote:
> On Feb 23, 11:03*am, William Hung > wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLCMRNagq0&feature=related
>
> > Look at 3:29 Might be a Cri Cri derivative. *Very Nice. *Some other
> > 'New Thinking' designs there as well. *Who said GA is dead? *Certainly
> > not in Europe where they even have more restrictions than here in the
> > US.
>
> > Wil
>
> Another unusual design in there. *It's got a 2-cylinder BMW motorcycle
> engine mounted behind the cabin, driving the prop through a shaft that
> runs between the seats. *Here's a link: *http://www.aerojames.com/index.php?section=appareil
>
> Phil

How did you find that site Phil? I googled Isatis and came up with a
whole bunch of plants, an Artic fox and a dog.

Wil

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 23, 8:11*am, William Hung > wrote:
> On Feb 22, 6:54*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote innews:802280d2f59d1@uwe:
>
> > > William Hung wrote:
> > >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>
> > >>I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
> > >>iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee, maybe
> > >>even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>
> > >>Wil
>
> > > WTF...how did they handle the anti-torque on that GIANT hecilopter. I
> > > didn't see a tail rotor.
>
> > Jet tip.
>
> > Bertie
>
> Yeah there are several tip jet helicopters out there, The Atlas uses
> hydrogen peroxide tip jets (steam).
>
> http://www.advancedtechnologiesinc.com/uav_rotorcraft_atlas.asp
>
> The Hiller Hornet uses small karosene burning jet engines at the tips.
>
> http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/helicopters/q0141.shtml
>
> The Djinn uses bleed air from a turbine engine I believe.
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?ContentBlockID=954d5715-5...
>
> Looks like that big beast at the end also uses blreed air from those
> four turbines mounted on the fuselage.
>
> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Upon further investigation, that big beast at the end does use tip
jets, but it also has a TAIL ROTOR!

http://xplanes.free.fr/xv9/xv9a-2.html Original
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr Translated

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Feb 23, 8:11*am, William Hung > wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 6:54*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote
>> > innews:802280d2f59d1@uwe:
>
>>
>> > > William Hung wrote:
>> > >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJOS2VWaPU
>>
>> > >>I poste this video in RAH, thn thought some in RAP might find it
>> > >>iteresing. *That second plane looks a lot like the bumblebee,
>> > >>maybe even smaller. *Would any of you fly it?
>>
>> > >>Wil
>>
>> > > WTF...how did they handle the anti-torque on that GIANT
>> > > hecilopter. I didn't see a tail rotor.
>>
>> > Jet tip.
>>
>> > Bertie
>>
>> Yeah there are several tip jet helicopters out there, The Atlas uses
>> hydrogen peroxide tip jets (steam).
>>
>> http://www.advancedtechnologiesinc.com/uav_rotorcraft_atlas.asp
>>
>> The Hiller Hornet uses small karosene burning jet engines at the
>> tips.
>>
>> http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/helicopters/q0141.shtml
>>
>> The Djinn uses bleed air from a turbine engine I believe.
>>
>> http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?ContentBlockID=954d5715-
5.
>> ..
>
>>
>> Looks like that big beast at the end also uses blreed air from those
>> four turbines mounted on the fuselage.
>>
>> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Upon further investigation, that big beast at the end does use tip
> jets, but it also has a TAIL ROTOR!


Well, it would still need one for manuevering even if it weren't
required for torque. A lot of the other jet tip ones relied on a certain
amount of forward motion to stabilise the yaw axis, but that one is
obviusly meant for heavy lifting and would need to manuever around to do
it;'s job. The little guys were all almost ultralights IIRC. The hiller
jet tip was single place, I beleive.

Bertie

[Phil J]

On Feb 23, 5:08*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> How did you find that site Phil? *I googled Isatis and came up with a
> whole bunch of plants, an Artic fox and a dog.
>
> Wil

Add the word "airplane" to the search.

Phil