Failed Aviation Administration strikes again

[The3rdRail]

Civil Aviation Inspector staff in the FAA continues to be
reduced. Safety inspectors in the FAA pressured to
"Overlook" small stuff so the airlines can make more money.
All while the airlines are treated like Gods in the business
first safety last Tombstone FAA

But remember, the Diversity and Civil Rights staff keep
right on expanding in the Failed Aviation Administration

Rest easy. Safety is just a card game at the FAA

NEW YORK — An American Airlines passenger died after a
flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen
and then tried to help her with faulty equipment, including
an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332189,00.html

[Steve Foley]

"The3rdRail" > wrote in message
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> NEW YORK — An American Airlines passenger died after a
> flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen
> and then tried to help her with faulty equipment, including
> an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.

I'd say you're really grasping at straws trying to blame this one on the
FAA.

[The3rdRail]

Steve Foley wrote:
> "The3rdRail" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> NEW YORK — An American Airlines passenger died after a
>> flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen
>> and then tried to help her with faulty equipment, including
>> an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.
>
> I'd say you're really grasping at straws trying to blame this one on the
> FAA.
>
>

Reduced and pencil whipped Federal safety inspections ring a
bell?

[Steve Foley]

"The3rdRail" > wrote in message
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> Steve Foley wrote:
> > "The3rdRail" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> NEW YORK — An American Airlines passenger died after a
> >> flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen
> >> and then tried to help her with faulty equipment, including
> >> an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.
> >
> > I'd say you're really grasping at straws trying to blame this one on the
> > FAA.
> >
> >
>
> Reduced and pencil whipped Federal safety inspections ring a
> bell?

I must have missed the class where they said the FAA is responsible for
inspecting the medical condition of passengers.

[The3rdRail]

Steve Foley wrote:
> "The3rdRail" > wrote in message
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>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>> "The3rdRail" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> NEW YORK — An American Airlines passenger died after a
>>>> flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen
>>>> and then tried to help her with faulty equipment, including
>>>> an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.
>>> I'd say you're really grasping at straws trying to blame this one on the
>>> FAA.
>>>
>>>
>> Reduced and pencil whipped Federal safety inspections ring a
>> bell?
>
> I must have missed the class where they said the FAA is responsible for
> inspecting the medical condition of passengers.
>
>

Oxygen tanks and required safety equipment on commercial
airlines is the responsibility of FAA inspectors and the
airlines.

I was referring to required safety EQUIPMENT not medical
diagnosis. American Airlines is claiming their equipment
worked fine. Now the finger pointing begins.

Every time someone dies on an aircraft the airlines blame
the FAA and the FAA blames the airlines. All while people
die. Sad state of affairs.

[Steve Foley]

"The3rdRail" > wrote in message
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> Every time someone dies on an aircraft the airlines blame
> the FAA and the FAA blames the airlines. All while people
> die. Sad state of affairs.

I haven't seen any blame placed on the FAA, except your racist diatribe.

[Allen[_1_]]

"The3rdRail" > wrote in message
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> Steve Foley wrote:
>> "The3rdRail" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>>> "The3rdRail" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> NEW YORK — An American Airlines passenger died after a
>>>>> flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen
>>>>> and then tried to help her with faulty equipment, including
>>>>> an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.
>>>> I'd say you're really grasping at straws trying to blame this one on
>>>> the
>>>> FAA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Reduced and pencil whipped Federal safety inspections ring a
>>> bell?
>>
>> I must have missed the class where they said the FAA is responsible for
>> inspecting the medical condition of passengers.
>>
>>
>
> Oxygen tanks and required safety equipment on commercial airlines is the
> responsibility of FAA inspectors and the airlines.
>
> I was referring to required safety EQUIPMENT not medical diagnosis.
> American Airlines is claiming their equipment worked fine. Now the finger
> pointing begins.

This flight carried 12 medical oxygen bottles onboard. Are you saying all
12 were empty or faulty? Are saying the crewmember did not know how to
operate the oxygen bottle? Have you ever flown on an airliner?

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*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

The3rdRail wrote:
>>>>> NEW YORK — An American Airlines passenger died after a
>>>>> flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen
>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]

>
>Every time someone dies on an aircraft the airlines blame
>the FAA and the FAA blames the airlines. All while people
>die. Sad state of affairs.

Sadly, 02 prolly wouldn't have made a difference at all.
On the surface ( veerrry surface) sounds like a pulmonary embolism. Folks
predisposed gets 'em after long hours sitting. Which happens on airplanes, I
understand.

So... FAA causes PE.


OMG... how could we miss the connection?!!!

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[Edward A. Falk]

In article <8053c7131581b@uwe>, Kloudy via AviationKB.com <u33403@uwe> wrote:
>The3rdRail wrote:
>
>Sadly, 02 prolly wouldn't have made a difference at all.
>On the surface ( veerrry surface) sounds like a pulmonary embolism. Folks
>predisposed gets 'em after long hours sitting. Which happens on airplanes, I
>understand.

Still, I kinda wish AA could have arranged to have just one working O2 bottle
on their plane.

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[Edward A. Falk]

In article >,
James Robinson > wrote:
(Edward A. Falk) wrote:
>>
>> Still, I kinda wish AA could have arranged to have just one working O2
>> bottle on their plane.
>
>The two they used were working fine. There were also ten more to choose
>from. The doctor that treated the woman didn't use the oxygen, since she
>wasn't breathing enough to make a passive, unpressurized oxygen mask work.

The article specifically says that both tanks were empty. What is your
source?

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-Ed Falk,
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[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Edward A. Falk wrote:

>
>Still, I kinda wish AA could have arranged to have just one working O2 bottle
>on their plane.
>
We really don't know if they didn't.
Patient's family says no, AA says yes.
Many AEDs will not work if sufficient signal cannot be acquired for proper
shock eval.
Doesn't mean the equipment failed.

In my experience, in stressful situations when a loved one in is distress the
realities of an emergent medical event and relationships of cause and effect
can get extremely confused by the the lay members present. It can be an
impediment to care teams and can adversely color the patient's and family's
perceptions of diagnosis and/or proposed treatment plans.

I am sorry the woman died and proper facilities were not immediately
available to accurately diagnose and treat her. Whether or not O2 was
available is most likely irrelevant.
What she needed was an ER.

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