Way off topic, but it has do to with the French

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>> So, may I presume that you have nothing further to contribute to the
>> conversation?

> And - in case you think I don't "get it" -- what you've posted is
> summarize thusly: "Since I know people who joke about the French the
> jokes must be true."
>
> The fact that you can't appreciate how patently absurd this reasoning
> is (not the sentiment about the French, but the logic driving you to
> this conclusion) means you're hopeless.

So, the answer to my question is "no". Fine by me.

The problem with you (and people like you) is that you can't ever discuss a
topic without taking it personally. Hell, I *am* French, and I don't give
two ****s about who makes fun of whom -- and YOU'RE the one getting your
panties in a bunch?

What a maroon.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>>> Your hypersensitivity aside, I'm trying to explain to you WHY the
>>> French are the butt of jokes in America.
>> But they aren't the butt of jokes in America. At least not where I live.
>
> They have been both places I've lived.

I've lived in two states (Side note for Martin: Both states are bigger than
most European countries), and many different cities. I've worked in
Chicago, Milwaukee, Racine, Kenosha, Iowa City, Cedar Rapids. I've worked
for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the Chicago
Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.

In every locale, in every position, the French are AT BEST chuckled at.
Maybe it's a Midwestern thing, maybe it's a generational thing -- I don't
know -- but it's pretty much universal, and was especially prevalent with my
dad's (WWII) generation.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Yes, I do. Else I'd still think that you are alltogether ignorant idiots -
> like many people think here about Americans. So now I only think that - as
> everywhere else - only a minority are ignorant idiots, but one hears not
> too much of the other folks with a clue.

I wish my father was still alive, so his generation could come over there
and kick your asses -- again. Oh, wait -- we "rescued" Austria from the
Nazis... Right.

> My only hope is that your kids are different and that they sometime try to
> search for their names, so they will find your postings on this group and
> they hopefully will see what an ignorant you are. You said your son makes
> a trip to spain (?): hopefully he get's an idea of how things work "in the
> rest of the world".

Yep, Joe's going to Spain in a couple of weeks. He will be living with a
family there for the better part of two weeks, completely immersed in
Spanish culture. It should be a great experience for him.

That said, I've been amazed at what his school has been teaching him in
advance of this trip. The dire warnings against doing things that are
considered to be entirely innocuous and normal here fall somewhere between
scary and appalling. They've even gone so far as to tell our kids not to
bring t-shirts with American flags on them, lest they be seen as people who
are proud of their country of origin. (Apparently to the
less-than-self-confident Europeans, this would be seen as an affront?)

Interestingly, we've all told Joe that we want Spanish-flag t-shirts as
souvenirs. We might even wear them. Shocking!

Due to budget constraints, the kids will also be riding those infamous
subways around Madrid -- something we are less than happy about. I trust
that since the Spanish Army fled Iraq after the last round of subway
bombings, my kid will be entirely safe. Not!

As for our passport status, yep, we've got 'em. But I don't foolishly
believe that by visiting a few tourist attractions in a country that I will
"know" it any better than if I had paid attention in school. Hell, I've
spent almost fifty years exploring the Northern Hemisphere from
coast-to-coast, and STILL don't "know" it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-05, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> Provide that, and you can lead Frenchmen to Moscow.
>
> Exactly. And it is precisely because the French have fallen so far that
> they are now thought of so poorly.
>
> Combine that with their inexplicable arrogance in the face of irrelevance,
> and you have comic fodder.

I've actually been to France. Perhaps because I didn't go to Paris, but
was in the middle of nowhere... but I didn't find the people to be in
any way arrogant. They were, in fact, no different to the typical middle
class American - they were just normal and perfectly pleasant people,
who just spoke a funny language. Although I found I was fluent in French
if I drank enough wine in a short enough time period. Well, it seemed
that way anyway.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>> Combine that with their inexplicable arrogance in the face of
>> irrelevance,
>> and you have comic fodder.
>
> I've actually been to France. Perhaps because I didn't go to Paris, but
> was in the middle of nowhere... but I didn't find the people to be in
> any way arrogant. They were, in fact, no different to the typical middle
> class American - they were just normal and perfectly pleasant people,
> who just spoke a funny language. Although I found I was fluent in French
> if I drank enough wine in a short enough time period. Well, it seemed
> that way anyway.

<G> I've spoken many languages fluently after too much wine...

As I pointed out up-thread, French people on an individual level are often
regarded as "cool", "suave", and "debonair". This is in stark contrast to
their national reputation, which can be summed up as "bumbling", "lazy", and
"cowardly".

This sets anti-French humor apart from the humor that is poked at (for
example) Poles. "Pollock Jokes" (as they are called in Wisconsin) make
individual Poles sound like idiots, yet no one regards the Polish nation or
its government as anything less than gallant.

It's an interesting, telling difference that some state-funded sociologist
could make a career out of studying, I'm sure.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> You still don't get it. Cultural stereotypes are little jokes we tell
> about each other to have some fun. They're not real, we're just pulling
> each other's legs. And it's the job of the one who tells them to invent
> them. So for example it would be your job to invent an anti-German one.
> But you didn't, you just repeated the same old same old one. Lame.
> Meanwhile it's our job to come up with anti-American ones, which is
> what I did. It's your job not to get uppity about it, especially not as
> you do it to everyone else, but to lay back and enjoy it.

Exactly! At last, someone who "gets" it!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Stella Starr]

Jay Honeck wrote:
I've
> worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the
> Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.
>
> In every locale, in every position, the French are AT BEST chuckled at.

Lest someone think this signifies a journalistic association, you
delivered newspapers. You managed many people who delivered the papers.
Your role was supply management, which is not to take away from the
responsibility, but you have never had any job reporting or handling the
news in any way, except to toss it onto the doorstep. Implying
otherwise is to claim expertise to which you are not entitled.

I don't much care who my newspaper delivery person chuckles at. Not to
put them down, but I don't weigh their opinions on public policy.



(On a totally different note, I miss MontPaul, a jolly good fellow who
often interjected welcome humor into these discussions.)

[Jim Logajan]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>>>> Your hypersensitivity aside, I'm trying to explain to you WHY the
>>>> French are the butt of jokes in America.
>>> But they aren't the butt of jokes in America. At least not where I
>>> live.
>>
>> They have been both places I've lived.
>
> I've lived in two states

So? I've lived in four states: Minnesota (37 years), North Carolina (1
year), California (12 years), and Oregon (3 years and counting). And I've
actually had a boss who was from France, for what that is worth.

> In every locale, in every position, the French are AT BEST chuckled
> at. Maybe it's a Midwestern thing, maybe it's a generational thing --
> I don't know -- but it's pretty much universal, and was especially
> prevalent with my dad's (WWII) generation.

I'm from the midwest too. When I was growing up it wasn't the French who
were the butt of jokes, it was Polish jokes. One of my uncles was of Polish
descent and he heard 'em all - and turned them around and changed the
nationality to that of the listener's. So this:

Q: Did you hear about the Polish Helicopter crash?
A: The pilot got cold, so he turned off the fan.

became this:

Q: Did you hear about the Romanian Helicopter crash?
A: The pilot got cold, so he turned off the fan.

(My last name is Romanian or some corruption of it, so we heard a lot of
Romanian jokes from him. :-))

[Jim Logajan]

Martin Hotze > wrote:
> Wolfgang Schwanke schrieb:
>> but to lay back and enjoy it.
>
>
> Hey! You're German. Aren't you supposed to not have fun at all? :-))

I thought it was the British who weren't supposed to have fun. Or maybe sex
- I forget the exact details.

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> They've even gone so far as to tell our kids not to
>bring t-shirts with American flags on them, lest they be seen as people who
>are proud of their country of origin. (Apparently to the
>less-than-self-confident Europeans, this would be seen as an affront?)

In my experience of current european perspective, I think they would like the
confidence to know their spanish bus will not be blown up cuz there is an
american nationalist on it.

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[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Jim Logajan wrote:

>
>Q: Did you hear about the Romanian Helicopter crash?
>A: The pilot got cold, so he turned off the fan.
>
>(My last name is Romanian or some corruption of it, so we heard a lot of
>Romanian jokes from him. :-))

Why did the Romanian sumarine sink?

Someone left the screen-door open.

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[Phil J]

On Mar 5, 10:03*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> >I like a good joke, and I found the original post pretty clever. *But
> >I only take it as a joke, and I don't take the underlying stereotypes
> >seriously. * Your posts attempt to show why the jokes and stereotypes
> >are actually justified. *I didn't find the original joke offensive,
> >but your posts I definitely find offensive.
>
> Your hypersensitivity aside, I'm trying to explain to you WHY the French are
> the butt of jokes in America. *Whether you choose to listen or not is
> irrelevant, and we haven't even begun to discuss whether I believe the jokes
> are justified.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

It doesn't require hypersensitivity when someone is so glaringly
offensive. Nearly everyone on this thread has been trying to point
out to you that the French are not really different (better or worse)
than any other nationality on this planet, but no one can get through
to you. You are the one choosing not to listen, Jay.

Phil

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 6, 3:30 pm, Wolfgang Schwanke > wrote:
>
> It's the safest place on earth. Terrorists never bomb the same place
> twice.

Not really:

World Trade Center in NY -- attacked in 1993 and 2001

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 6, 11:05 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> The problem with you (and people like you) is that you can't ever discuss a
> topic without taking it personally. Hell, I *am* French, and I don't give
> two ****s about who makes fun of whom -- and YOU'RE the one getting your
> panties in a bunch?
>
> What a maroon.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Wait -- two posts ago you said your mother had some French ancestry,
now you *are* French?

Are you speaking as an American or as a Frenchman? Because if you're a
Frenchman I take back everything ever implied in their defense -- they
most certainly are ignorant buffoons.


Dan

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 6, 11:51 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> >> Combine that with their inexplicable arrogance in the face of
> >> irrelevance,
> >> and you have comic fodder.
>
> > I've actually been to France. Perhaps because I didn't go to Paris, but
> > was in the middle of nowhere... but I didn't find the people to be in
> > any way arrogant. They were, in fact, no different to the typical middle
> > class American - they were just normal and perfectly pleasant people,
> > who just spoke a funny language. Although I found I was fluent in French
> > if I drank enough wine in a short enough time period. Well, it seemed
> > that way anyway.
>
> <G> I've spoken many languages fluently after too much wine...
>
> As I pointed out up-thread, French people on an individual level are often
> regarded as "cool", "suave", and "debonair". This is in stark contrast to
> their national reputation, which can be summed up as "bumbling", "lazy", and
> "cowardly".
>
> This sets anti-French humor apart from the humor that is poked at (for
> example) Poles. "Pollock Jokes" (as they are called in Wisconsin) make
> individual Poles sound like idiots, yet no one regards the Polish nation or
> its government as anything less than gallant.
>
> It's an interesting, telling difference that some state-funded sociologist
> could make a career out of studying, I'm sure.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Just because you think something is so, does not make it so.

Apparently you have a problem with that distinction.

It's not about France -- it's about your adamant refusal to see that
you reasoning is flawed.

If a mental defective says 3+2 = 5, he's right.

But if arrives at that conclusion because 3 has a mystical union with
2 and the shape of 5 represents dogs -- you'd know his reasoning --
how he arrived at the conclusion -- is flawed. And that's how you know
he's unreasonable.

And that's your problem. I'll say it one more time then I'm done
trying to explain this basic logic to you -- just because YOU think
"Americans joke about" the French and those jokes are true while other
stereotype jokes are untrue is simply unreasonable.

Now, another test of insanity is repeating the same action and
expecting a different result.

So to avoid that state I'm done trying to pond this round peg into
this very, very off shaped hole.



Dan

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Dan wrote:
>> >> Combine that with their inexplicable arrogance in the face of
>> >> irrelevance,
>[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> "Your Aviation Destination"

>If a mental defective says 3+2 = 5, he's right.
>
>But if arrives at that conclusion because 3 has a mystical union with
>2 and the shape of 5 represents dogs -- you'd know his reasoning --
>how he arrived at the conclusion -- is flawed.
>

His math is off too.

3 has a mystical union but it is not with 2.

It is with my Aunt Debbie.

the fact that 5 represents dogs is a given.

hope that helps

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[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 6, 4:57 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
>
> >But if arrives at that conclusion because 3 has a mystical union with
> >2 and the shape of 5 represents dogs -- you'd know his reasoning --
> >how he arrived at the conclusion -- is flawed.
>
> His math is off too.
>
> 3 has a mystical union but it is not with 2.
>
> It is with my Aunt Debbie.
>
> the fact that 5 represents dogs is a given.
>
> hope that helps
>


DOH!!!!

There ya go....

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

>
> It's the safest place on earth. Terrorists never bomb the same place
> twice.
>

World Trade Center 1993 2001

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Lest someone think this signifies a journalistic association, you
> delivered newspapers. You managed many people who delivered the papers.
> Your role was supply management, which is not to take away from the
> responsibility, but you have never had any job reporting or handling the
> news in any way, except to toss it onto the doorstep. Implying otherwise
> is to claim expertise to which you are not entitled.

Gee, Stella, I guess I wasn't making a distinction between the pressroom,
the newsroom, circulation and marketing. I've held positions in three of
those four realms, and, as head of marketing, met with, directed, and
interacted with the newsroom folks at the highest levels.

In other words, I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize
sales. That's hardly "delivering papers" -- although two of the companies
I've owned since then *did* deliver newspapers. All over the better part
of two states.

Or did you think I bought the hotel with my paper route money?

Strangely, the one department I never worked in directly was the newsroom --
despite the English degree I earned with the intention of becoming a
reporter. I *did* write some articles (and still do now), but it just
worked out that I was quickly promoted beyond the newsroom, and never looked
back. Later on I parlayed these management positions into my first two
businesses.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>It doesn't require hypersensitivity when someone is so glaringly
>offensive. Nearly everyone on this thread has been trying to point
>out to you that the French are not really different (better or worse)
>than any other nationality on this planet, but no one can get through
>to you. You are the one choosing not to listen, Jay.

No, Phil -- you're just not grasping the content of the conversation, which
is a dispassionate analysis of *why* the French are the butt of so many
jokes in America. Apparently you think that to discuss this phenomenon is
to somehow agree with it -- which is silly and just plain wrong.

As an aside, it is this national inability to discuss things dispassionately
that has lead to the near-complete polarization of the American political
climate. Almost no topic can be discussed or analyzed without *someone*
making it into a personal affront -- and then dialogue just becomes noisy
shouting with no compromise.

There is an interesting analysis of this phenomenon in Newsweek this week
WRT the passing of William F. Buckley. In his hey-day, Buckley would
invite people from all ends of the social and political spectrum to his show
(and into his home) to politely and intellectually discuss all manner of
topics -- and they would actually be able to debate the issues without
descending into chaos, the way the talk shows do today. It was so
incredibly civilized, and stands in stark contrast to the way EVERYTHING is
taken personally nowadays.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Just because you think something is so, does not make it so.
>
> Apparently you have a problem with that distinction.
>
> It's not about France -- it's about your adamant refusal to see that
> you reasoning is flawed.

No, Dan -- it's about your inability to follow a thread. My reasoning
hasn't even started to come into play here -- all I've been doing is
reporting my observations of French jokes in America.

You can deny anything you want -- but your denials don't make the truth of
the matter any less obvious, or any less true. And the truth is, the
French are the butt of many jokes in America -- period. Anything else you
want to read into this phenomenon is *your* personal interpretation, not
mine -- but denying the phenomenon is just stupid.

> And that's your problem. I'll say it one more time then I'm done
> trying to explain this basic logic to you -- just because YOU think
> "Americans joke about" the French and those jokes are true while other
> stereotype jokes are untrue is simply unreasonable.

WTF? How did you get THAT out of anything I've said? I was simply
pointing out the dichotomy between types of ethnic jokes -- but I guess that
was a bit too subtle for you. Pity.

Oh, well. It's been a fun topic, anyway.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Stella Starr]

Jay Honeck wrote:


> I told the newsroom people what to do in order to
> maximize sales...

> I was quickly promoted beyond the newsroom,...

I was careful to note that I'm not disrespecting your business skills.
But you never reported news for a living. You delivered papers. It's a
business, and a demanding one, but it is not news. If you drove a truck
full of band-aids, you still don't get to pretend you're a doctor.

And you don't get to make that breathtaking claim until you produce
someone who DID work in the newsroom to agree that you "told the
newsroom people what to do."

I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a
journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman, and
many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in journalism.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:PHUzj.10925$TT4.3866@attbi_s22:

>>>> Your hypersensitivity aside, I'm trying to explain to you WHY the
>>>> French are the butt of jokes in America.
>>> But they aren't the butt of jokes in America. At least not where I
>>> live.
>>
>> They have been both places I've lived.
>
> I've lived in two states (Side note for Martin: Both states are bigger
> than most European countries), and many different cities. I've worked
> in Chicago, Milwaukee, Racine, Kenosha, Iowa City, Cedar Rapids. I've
> worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the
> Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.
>


Wow, a man of the world.



> In every locale, in every position, the French are AT BEST chuckled
> at. Maybe it's a Midwestern thing, maybe it's a generational thing --
> I don't know -- but it's pretty much universal, and was especially
> prevalent with my dad's (WWII) generation.


Bull****.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:053Aj.64800$yE1.16510@attbi_s21:

>> Lest someone think this signifies a journalistic association, you
>> delivered newspapers. You managed many people who delivered the
>> papers. Your role was supply management, which is not to take away
>> from the responsibility, but you have never had any job reporting or
>> handling the news in any way, except to toss it onto the doorstep.
>> Implying otherwise is to claim expertise to which you are not
>> entitled.
>
> Gee, Stella, I guess I wasn't making a distinction between the
> pressroom, the newsroom, circulation and marketing.



That's right, because your intent was to mislead.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:Wh3Aj.64813$yE1.59750@attbi_s21:

>>It doesn't require hypersensitivity when someone is so glaringly
>>offensive. Nearly everyone on this thread has been trying to point
>>out to you that the French are not really different (better or worse)
>>than any other nationality on this planet, but no one can get through
>>to you. You are the one choosing not to listen, Jay.
>
> No, Phil -- you're just not grasping the content of the conversation,
> which is a dispassionate analysis of *why* the French are the butt of
> so many jokes in America. =


It's becaquse they wouldn;t toe the line and kiss your master's ass you
racist piece of ****.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:JnFzj.9933$TT4.968
@attbi_s22:

>> And what was France's contribution during WW1?
>
> They helped win it -- but who cares?
>
> Answer: No one. Past gallantry is trumped by recent ignobility.

What, like My Lai, Abu Graib and Guantanamo bay?

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Wolfgang Schwanke > wrote in news:639ec0F26h03tU1
@mid.uni-berlin.de:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> news:372ffbf1-6be8-4e8d-9968-
:
>
>> OK, you're a raccist fjukkwit.
>
> You're a retarded yank who doesn't get it.
>
>>> > Maybe they should
>>>
>>> > Level 1. invade naeighbors to southeast.
>>> > Level 2 *anschull the next nieghbors to souteast
>>> > Level 3 *invade neighbors to east
>>> > Level 4 invade neighbors to west
>>> > Level 5 **** up everything else and go whining back to the
>>> > vaterland.
>>>
>>> Tina did that one already.
>>
>> Tina's German?
>
> No she's an American who did the same joke you did. BTW it's Anschluß.


So now you're invading the language?
>
>>> I also like this onehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9NUKwHEWEg
>>>
>>> But can't you come up with a different stereotype for a change?
>>
>> I should be asking you that, shouldn't I?
>
> You still don't get it. Cultural stereotypes are little jokes we tell
> about each other to have some fun.

Oh I get, it.


You do not.

They're not real, we're just pulling
> each other's legs. And it's the job of the one who tells them to
invent
> them. So for example it would be your job to invent an anti-German
one.
> But you didn't, you just repeated the same old same old one. Lame.

Nope. You just didn't get it.

> Meanwhile it's our job to come up with anti-American ones, which is
> what I did. It's your job not to get uppity about it, especially not
as
> you do it to everyone else, but to lay back and enjoy it.
>

I'm not getting uppity at all nazi boi.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Martin Hotze > wrote in news:fqo12p$5gg$2
@kirk.hotze.com:

> Wolfgang Schwanke schrieb:
>> but to lay back and enjoy it.
>
>
> Hey! You're German. Aren't you supposed to not have fun at all? :-))


Hey! I'm sure he's out in his leerhosen marching somewhere right now!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Jim Logajan > wrote in
:

> Martin Hotze > wrote:
>> Wolfgang Schwanke schrieb:
>>> but to lay back and enjoy it.
>>
>>
>> Hey! You're German. Aren't you supposed to not have fun at all? :-))
>
> I thought it was the British who weren't supposed to have fun. Or
> maybe sex - I forget the exact details.
>

They have fun. And sex. They both involve getting their bottoms spnakked,
of course...

Bertie

[Dan[_10_]]

I wrote:
>> Just because you think something is so, does not make it so.
>> Apparently you have a problem with that distinction.
>> It's not about France -- it's about your adamant refusal to see that
>> you reasoning is flawed.

Jay of Iowa replied:
> No, Dan -- it's about your inability to follow a thread. My reasoning
> hasn't even started to come into play here -- all I've been doing is
> reporting my observations of French jokes in America.
> You can deny anything you want -- but your denials don't make the truth of
> the matter any less obvious, or any less true. And the truth is, the
> French are the butt of many jokes in America -- period. Anything else you
> want to read into this phenomenon is *your* personal interpretation, not
> mine -- but denying the phenomenon is just stupid.

I also wrote:
> > And that's your problem. I'll say it one more time then I'm done
> > trying to explain this basic logic to you -- just because YOU think
> > "Americans joke about" the French and those jokes are true while other
> > stereotype jokes are untrue is simply unreasonable.

Jay rebutted:
> WTF? How did you get THAT out of anything I've said? I was simply
> pointing out the dichotomy between types of ethnic jokes -- but I guess that
> was a bit too subtle for you. Pity.

To Jay:
I'm done.

To anyone with sense:
Am I crazy or is this paperboy just supremely dense?


Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in
:

>
> I wrote:
>>> Just because you think something is so, does not make it so.
>>> Apparently you have a problem with that distinction.
>>> It's not about France -- it's about your adamant refusal to see that
>>> you reasoning is flawed.
>
> Jay of Iowa replied:
>> No, Dan -- it's about your inability to follow a thread. My
>> reasoning hasn't even started to come into play here -- all I've been
>> doing is reporting my observations of French jokes in America.
>> You can deny anything you want -- but your denials don't make the
>> truth of the matter any less obvious, or any less true. And the
>> truth is, the French are the butt of many jokes in America -- period.
>> Anything else you want to read into this phenomenon is *your*
>> personal interpretation, not mine -- but denying the phenomenon is
>> just stupid.
>
> I also wrote:
>> > And that's your problem. I'll say it one more time then I'm done
>> > trying to explain this basic logic to you -- just because YOU think
>> > "Americans joke about" the French and those jokes are true while
>> > other stereotype jokes are untrue is simply unreasonable.
>
> Jay rebutted:
>> WTF? How did you get THAT out of anything I've said? I was simply
>> pointing out the dichotomy between types of ethnic jokes -- but I
>> guess that was a bit too subtle for you. Pity.
>
> To Jay:
> I'm done.
>
> To anyone with sense:
> Am I crazy or is this paperboy just supremely dense?

Unfortunately there are lots of him around these days.


bertie

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 7, 7:24 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> > To Jay:
> > I'm done.
>
> > To anyone with sense:
> > Am I crazy or is this paperboy just supremely dense?
>
> Unfortunately there are lots of him around these days.
>
> bertie

OK, cause he accused me of lack of subtlety, and I really, really hate
that.


Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:0dd33964-103f-4b30-a0c3-5c6d085a288b@
8g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 7, 7:24 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> > To Jay:
>> > I'm done.
>>
>> > To anyone with sense:
>> > Am I crazy or is this paperboy just supremely dense?
>>
>> Unfortunately there are lots of him around these days.
>>
>> bertie
>
> OK, cause he accused me of lack of subtlety, and I really, really hate
> that.
>

He wouldn't know subtlety if it kicked him in the nuts.


Bertie

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 7, 7:45 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

>
> > OK, cause he accused me of lack of subtlety, and I really, really hate
> > that.
>
> He wouldn't know subtlety if it kicked him in the nuts.
>
> Bertie

How long is the line to try that?

Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:88d6222a-3575-42dc-bbfa-56abcc30c2c0
@e31g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 7, 7:45 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>>
>> > OK, cause he accused me of lack of subtlety, and I really, really hate
>> > that.
>>
>> He wouldn't know subtlety if it kicked him in the nuts.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> How long is the line to try that?
>

Well, sonme of the longest threads I've ever seen for starters!


Bertie

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-06, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Due to budget constraints, the kids will also be riding those infamous
> subways around Madrid -- something we are less than happy about. I trust
> that since the Spanish Army fled Iraq after the last round of subway
> bombings, my kid will be entirely safe. Not!

Hold on.. I didn't think you bought into this whole 'terrist' lets all
be terrified all the time bravo-sierra.

More people die in traffic accidents in a month in Spain than have died
in Madrid metro bombings in the last 10 years. As a pilot, you should
know better than this, and to get your risk assessments in proportion!

Travelling on the metro in Spain is probably two orders of magnitude
than taking your son flying in a light plane. I find it odd that you're
fretting about this.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 7, 8:24 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> He wouldn't know subtlety if it kicked him in the nuts.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > How long is the line to try that?
>
> Well, sonme of the longest threads I've ever seen for starters!
>
> Bertie

I missed so much yesterday.

Silly me -- out doing other things (Chandelles, Lazy and not so lazy
8s, stalls, shorts and softs...) and not reading Jay's journalism.

First hour was in a C172E with the 145 HP. The takeoff roll is less
than enthusiastic and Larry and I looked at each other and laughed. We
knew we would eventually be flying but holy cow...

The Continental kinda lopes along -- like an old dog that gives you a
look that says, "I'll get there, I'll get there!"

After and hour we landed, had lunch, then headed down to VVS to pull
the A36 out. It cleared during that time and we went up and had some
fun. What an airplane. Every time I fly it I learn what else it can
do.

Despite the relatively low wind velocities, the air was turbulent up
to 4000' AGL -- very unusual around here when the wind isn't from the
east.

It sure was nice to be back up after a full five days...



Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:99e33b0f-6469-496d-b951-
:

> On Mar 7, 8:24 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> >> He wouldn't know subtlety if it kicked him in the nuts.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > How long is the line to try that?
>>
>> Well, sonme of the longest threads I've ever seen for starters!
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I missed so much yesterday.
>
> Silly me -- out doing other things (Chandelles, Lazy and not so lazy
> 8s, stalls, shorts and softs...) and not reading Jay's journalism.


For shame!


>
> First hour was in a C172E with the 145 HP. The takeoff roll is less
> than enthusiastic and Larry and I looked at each other and laughed. We
> knew we would eventually be flying but holy cow...


I like the old C 145. Exactly like you say it is. A faithful old dog of
an engine. .
>
> The Continental kinda lopes along -- like an old dog that gives you a
> look that says, "I'll get there, I'll get there!"
>
> After and hour we landed, had lunch, then headed down to VVS to pull
> the A36 out. It cleared during that time and we went up and had some
> fun. What an airplane. Every time I fly it I learn what else it can
> do.
>
> Despite the relatively low wind velocities, the air was turbulent up
> to 4000' AGL -- very unusual around here when the wind isn't from the
> east.
>
> It sure was nice to be back up after a full five days...
>


I'm looking forward to not being up there for a ful five days!

Not so much the painting and mowing I'll be doing though.. :(
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 7, 8:42 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> Not so much the painting and mowing I'll be doing though.. :(
>

Mowing??

You're in far warmer climes than I!!

I may be shoveling by nightfall.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:81e37eac-3b70-4b62-a1fd-b91a7da27133@
13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 7, 8:42 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> Not so much the painting and mowing I'll be doing though.. :(
>>
>
> Mowing??
>
> You're in far warmer climes than I!!
>

maybe, but it's very very cold here too! It's gotta be done, though.

> I may be shoveling by nightfall.
>

Was doing that the other day...


Bertei

[Aratzio]

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:59:09 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie
the Bunyip > bloviated:

>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:JnFzj.9933$TT4.968
>@attbi_s22:
>
>>> And what was France's contribution during WW1?
>>
>> They helped win it -- but who cares?
>>
>> Answer: No one. Past gallantry is trumped by recent ignobility.
>
>What, like My Lai, Abu Graib and Guantanamo bay?
>
>Bertie

Bay of Pigs
Iran-Contra
Samoza
Grenada

However, France did **** up Green Peace.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Aratzio > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:59:09 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie
> the Bunyip > bloviated:
>
>>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:JnFzj.9933$TT4.968
>>@attbi_s22:
>>
>>>> And what was France's contribution during WW1?
>>>
>>> They helped win it -- but who cares?
>>>
>>> Answer: No one. Past gallantry is trumped by recent ignobility.
>>
>>What, like My Lai, Abu Graib and Guantanamo bay?
>>
>>Bertie
>
> Bay of Pigs
> Iran-Contra
> Samoza
> Grenada

Mexico, over and over and over and over.

>
> However, France did **** up Green Peace.

True.


Bertie

[Daedalus]

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:56:25 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:ikVzj.10975$TT4.6806
>@attbi_s22:
>
>>> You still don't get it. Cultural stereotypes are little jokes we tell
>>> about each other to have some fun. They're not real, we're just pulling
>>> each other's legs. And it's the job of the one who tells them to invent
>>> them. So for example it would be your job to invent an anti-German one.
>>> But you didn't, you just repeated the same old same old one. Lame.
>>> Meanwhile it's our job to come up with anti-American ones, which is
>>> what I did. It's your job not to get uppity about it, especially not as
>>> you do it to everyone else, but to lay back and enjoy it.
>>
>> Exactly! At last, someone who "gets" it!
>
>Bwawhawhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahh whahwhahwhhahwhahwhahhwha
>hwhahwhahhwha!
>
>
>You're a racist piece of ****, Jay.

I hate racists.

Jade

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Daedalus > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:56:25 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>>news:ikVzj.10975$TT4.6806 @attbi_s22:
>>
>>>> You still don't get it. Cultural stereotypes are little jokes we
>>>> tell about each other to have some fun. They're not real, we're
>>>> just pulling each other's legs. And it's the job of the one who
>>>> tells them to invent them. So for example it would be your job to
>>>> invent an anti-German one. But you didn't, you just repeated the
>>>> same old same old one. Lame. Meanwhile it's our job to come up with
>>>> anti-American ones, which is what I did. It's your job not to get
>>>> uppity about it, especially not as you do it to everyone else, but
>>>> to lay back and enjoy it.
>>>
>>> Exactly! At last, someone who "gets" it!
>>
>>Bwawhawhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahh whahwhahwhhahwhahwhah
>>hwha hwhahwhahhwha!
>>
>>
>>You're a racist piece of ****, Jay.
>
> I hate racists.
>

Yes, they're icky.

Bertie

[Phil J]

On Mar 6, 10:13*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> No, Phil -- you're just not grasping the content of the conversation, which
> is a dispassionate analysis of *why* the French are the butt of so many
> jokes in America. *Apparently you think that to discuss this phenomenon is
> to somehow agree with it -- which is silly and just plain wrong.
>

If someone dispassionately says something which is a load of garbage
(which is what you have been doing), then others can dispassionately
tell him it is a load of garbage, which is what so many on this thread
have been doing. That isn't the same as saying it shouldn't be
discussed, which no one here has done. As far as agreeing with the
phenomenon, _you_ are the one who said the French are arrogant,
ignoble, and irrelevant. Are you claiming you don't agree with
yourself now??

> As an aside, it is this national inability to discuss things dispassionately
> that has lead to the near-complete polarization of the American political
> climate. *Almost no topic can be discussed or analyzed without *someone*
> making it into a personal affront -- and then dialogue just becomes noisy
> shouting with no compromise.
>

Last time I looked, we were having a discussion, Jay. We're over 300
posts in this thread. That isn't a discussion?

> There is an interesting analysis of this phenomenon in Newsweek this week
> WRT the passing of William F. Buckley. * In his hey-day, Buckley would
> invite people from all ends of the social and political spectrum to his show
> (and into his home) to politely and intellectually discuss all manner of
> topics -- and they would actually be able to debate the issues without
> descending into chaos, the way the talk shows do today. * It was so
> incredibly civilized, and stands in stark contrast to the way EVERYTHING is
> taken personally nowadays.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Then I will leave you with a quote from Mr Buckley that I think
applies to much of what you have said so far. "I won't insult your
intelligence by asking you if you really believe what you just said."
BTW, that is just a civilized way of saying "I think what you just
said is a load of garbage."

Phil

[Tina]

Just to lighten the mood a little, you might try clicking on this.

It is aviation related, in its way.

http://www.videovat.com/videos/3693/funny-failed-french-missile-test.aspx

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Mar 6, 12:56*am, Martin Hotze > wrote:
> Wolfgang Schwanke schrieb:
>
> > but to lay back and enjoy it.
>
> Hey! You're German. Aren't you supposed to not have fun at all? :-))
>
> #m

Ship: May day! May day! We are sinking!

German Coast Guard: What are you sinking about?

Hehehe...

I sink I'm gonna puke!

Wil

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a
> journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman, and
> many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in
> journalism.

I know I shouldn't validate your asinine post with an answer, but your
arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. I've never pretended to be
anything, my work and business ownership history is a matter of public
record, and your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the only valid
employees of a newspaper are "reporters" says volumes about you and your
supercilious attitude.

Here's a tiny clue from someone who participated in the budget planning of
several newspapers: Your vaunted "journalists" are actually called
"reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and with, and they are at the
very bottom of the food chain. If you ever reach the management level,
you'll know that they are regarded as cannon fodder, cheaper than screw-top
wine and as interchangeable as athletic socks. Worse, most of them suck.

Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers because
they were held in such high professional regard? Oh, you didn't know that?
Shucks.

That said, and with this new knowledge firmly embedded in your craw, it's
time to call you out. No one here has seen any evidence that *you* have
ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a 2-bit disk jockey
under the name "Stella Starr" as serious journalism -- yet YOU have the
audacity to question my chops in the newspaper world?

You need a hobby. I suggest flying.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Travelling on the metro in Spain is probably two orders of magnitude
> than taking your son flying in a light plane. I find it odd that you're
> fretting about this.

Oh, hell -- I wouldn't be letting him go to Spain if I was really worried.
I'm sure he'll be fine, as long as he can remember how to ask where the
bathroom is...

;-)

But I *do* find it aggravating and disconcerting that he's had to attend not
one, but THREE separate 2-hour classes on "how to behave in Spain" -- and
those instructions include basically hiding the fact that the kids are
American.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> How many people who were in power at the time of the Vichy government are
> still alive, and what do the people who live in France have to do with
> that? Should all Americans be ridiculed for the racial policies of the
> South, which happened in much more recent history?

Good point. Where does historical responsibility end?

Do the aboriginal people deserve an apology from the current Australian
government for treatment done to them by an earlier generation? Do American
blacks deserve reparations for harm done to their ancestors during the slave
years?

Do the Germans still bear the stain of Nazism? Do the Japanese still bear
the guilt for the rape of Nanchang? (Or however it's spelled nowadays...)

An interesting, highly debatable topic for thinking people. Of course,
someone here will change the subject line to include accusations of racism,
rather than discuss the issues -- but that's the current state of Usenet,
and much of the American electorate.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I sink I'm gonna puke!

Good one!

Well, okay -- it's so bad, it's good...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:T4oAj.66175$yE1.15214
@attbi_s21:

>
>> I sink I'm gonna puke!
>
> Good one!
>
> Well, okay -- it's so bad, it's good...
>
>:-)

****.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:TGnAj.13113$TT4.6194@attbi_s22:

>> I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a
>> journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman,
>> and many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in
>> journalism.
>
> I know I shouldn't validate your asinine post with an answer, but your
> arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. I've never pretended to
> be anything, my work and business ownership history is a matter of
> public record, and your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the
> only valid employees of a newspaper are "reporters" says volumes about
> you and your supercilious attitude.
>
> Here's a tiny clue from someone who participated in the budget
> planning of several newspapers: Your vaunted "journalists" are
> actually called "reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and
> with, and they are at the very bottom of the food chain. If you ever
> reach the management level, you'll know that they are regarded as
> cannon fodder, cheaper than screw-top wine and as interchangeable as
> athletic socks. Worse, most of them suck.
>
> Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers
> because they were held in such high professional regard? Oh, you
> didn't know that? Shucks.
>
> That said, and with this new knowledge firmly embedded in your craw,
> it's time to call you out. No one here has seen any evidence that
> *you* have ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a
> 2-bit disk jockey under the name "Stella Starr" as serious journalism
> -- yet YOU have the audacity to question my chops in the newspaper
> world?
>


He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:8RnAj.66156$yE1.21129@attbi_s21:

>> How many people who were in power at the time of the Vichy government
>> are still alive, and what do the people who live in France have to do
>> with that? Should all Americans be ridiculed for the racial policies
>> of the South, which happened in much more recent history?
>
> Good point. Where does historical responsibility end?

Maybe when people stop gloating over their war crimes..


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Tina > wrote in news:96d34c7d-6a15-4b39-90aa-
:

> Just to lighten the mood a little, you might try clicking on this.
>
> It is aviation related, in its way.
>
> http://www.videovat.com/videos/3693/funny-failed-french-missile-test.aspx
>
>

hilarious.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:BLnAj.13119$TT4.1674@attbi_s22:

>> Travelling on the metro in Spain is probably two orders of magnitude
>> than taking your son flying in a light plane. I find it odd that
>> you're fretting about this.
>
> Oh, hell -- I wouldn't be letting him go to Spain if I was really
> worried. I'm sure he'll be fine, as long as he can remember how to ask
> where the bathroom is...


Well, that should be a piece of cake, but he'll probably tel them to clean
it by mistake out of force of habit.


Bertie

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
>> Travelling on the metro in Spain is probably two orders of magnitude
>> than taking your son flying in a light plane. I find it odd that you're
>> fretting about this.
>
> Oh, hell -- I wouldn't be letting him go to Spain if I was really worried.
> I'm sure he'll be fine, as long as he can remember how to ask where the
> bathroom is...

there are some basic differences as Europeans (not all, I'm
generalising) tend to be not so we-wee about sex etc, so we don't ask
for a bathroom (the bathroom is for taking a shower or brushing your
teeth etc.) but for the toilet (or other words to that effect). So there
might come the situation for your son where he is confronted with things
in public he might not see in the US like an openly displayed female
nude breast in advertising, nudity on TV before 8pm, breastfeeding in a
bus, etc. - I have no idea how you handle these things these days or
what changed in the last 5 years.
Not that we are all little perverts, but Europeans _tend_ to be more
open in these matters (generalising, again). Of course it might be the
case that he'll live in a rather conservative family and he might be
confronted with rather weired or old-fashioned views.

> ;-)
>
> But I *do* find it aggravating and disconcerting that he's had to attend not
> one, but THREE separate 2-hour classes on "how to behave in Spain" -- and
> those instructions include basically hiding the fact that the kids are
> American.

hm, who gave the instructions? People from Spain?

#m

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
> Good point. Where does historical responsibility end?
>
> Do the aboriginal people deserve an apology from the current Australian
> government for treatment done to them by an earlier generation? Do American
> blacks deserve reparations for harm done to their ancestors during the slave
> years?
>
> Do the Germans still bear the stain of Nazism? Do the Japanese still bear
> the guilt for the rape of Nanchang? (Or however it's spelled nowadays...)

Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?

#m

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:BLnAj.13119$TT4.1674@attbi_s22:

>> Travelling on the metro in Spain is probably two orders of magnitude
>> than taking your son flying in a light plane. I find it odd that
>> you're fretting about this.
>
> Oh, hell -- I wouldn't be letting him go to Spain if I was really
> worried. I'm sure he'll be fine, as long as he can remember how to ask
> where the bathroom is...
>
> ;-)
>
> But I *do* find it aggravating and disconcerting that he's had to
> attend not one, but THREE separate 2-hour classes on "how to behave in
> Spain" -- and those instructions include basically hiding the fact
> that the kids are American

IOW he's been told not to act like a loudmouthed asshole like his
father..



Bertie

[Stella Starr]

Jay Honeck wrote:

I've never pretended to
> be anything,

Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then:
>> I've
>> worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the
>> Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.

>> I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize
sales.

You have commented on reporting in this newsgroup and said it was
because of your previous career as "a newsman." That's what I object to.

>your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the only valid employees
of a newspaper are "reporters"

Never said it. Never implied it. Never believed it. I said you
pretended to be a "newsman," which does not mean "newspaper delivery
professional" to people who read that term.

participated in the budget planning
> of several newspapers:

I did acknowledge that your work in the delivery end of the business was
demanding and you were obviously successful at it.

Your vaunted "journalists" are actually called
> "reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and with, and they are at
> the very bottom of the food chain. If you ever reach the management
> level, you'll know that they are regarded as cannon fodder, cheaper than
> screw-top wine and as interchangeable as athletic socks. Worse, most of
> them suck.
>
> Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers
> because they were held in such high professional regard?

Amazing rant, and it explains a lot about your disdain for reporting. I
didn't think you were the type to make such an attack, or that you hated
journalists so intensely.

No one here has seen any evidence that
> *you* have ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a
> 2-bit disk jockey

You have. In the past you and I have discussed my work, at the state
radio network where I spent six years reporting and anchoring news. I'm
a little surprised that you want to deny it now, but anyone who knows my
real last name (yes, I started in this business as a DJ, and wouldn't
deny it -- those years were lots of fun) can easily google thousands of
stories I reported.

Jay, I'm disappointed in you. While people enjoy your descriptive
writing about flying ventures, you seem to put more energy into silly
arguments and a great deal of vitriol into defending some wild-ass
opinions. If you stick with your strong points, you could regain some
of that respect.

[Stella Starr]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

>
> He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.
>
>
> Bertie

Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stella Starr > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>>
>> He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
> I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)
>

Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint..



Bertie.

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> there are some basic differences as Europeans (not all, I'm generalising)
> tend to be not so we-wee about sex etc, so we don't ask for a bathroom
> (the bathroom is for taking a shower or brushing your teeth etc.) but for
> the toilet (or other words to that effect). So there might come the
> situation for your son where he is confronted with things in public he
> might not see in the US like an openly displayed female nude breast in
> advertising, nudity on TV before 8pm, breastfeeding in a bus, etc.

Thanks for the tips. I know Joe is hoping to see all those liberal European
women gallivanting around Spain with their breasts exposed -- but I told him
not to get his hopes up.

Conversely, at the orientation meeting we attended the girls were told in NO
uncertain terms not to "dress like you do here" because Spanish boys have an
"interesting" idea of what American girls are like. In other words, they
think they're all "loose" because of what they've seen in Hollywood
movies...

>> But I *do* find it aggravating and disconcerting that he's had to attend
>> not one, but THREE separate 2-hour classes on "how to behave in Spain" --
>> and those instructions include basically hiding the fact that the kids
>> are American.
>
> hm, who gave the instructions? People from Spain?

Nope, the chaperones -- who between the three of them have been to Spain
over 30 times in the last 15 years.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?

Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our fathers?

Part of the problem with Middle Eastern cultures is that they perhaps take
generational responsibility TOO far, and you end up with thousand-year
grudges. On the other hand, perhaps we in the West are trying to forget too
quickly?

Let's not forget the second World War just yet. I'd hate to repeat it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then:
> >> I've
> >> worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the
> >> Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.

Those aren't claims -- those are facts. I have worked for and with all
four of those newspapers. For you (or anyone else) to assume that my
employment had anything to do with being a reporter, of all things, is
presumptuous. I've never claimed to be one, nor, after my first two years
in newspapers, did I ever want to be one.

Anyone who has ever worked in newspapers knows that the newsroom makes up a
tiny percentage of the workforce -- probably less than 10%. Why in hell you
would think that everyone who says they've worked in newspapers is a
reporter is a mystery.

> >> I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize
> sales.

That is 100% correct. I did precisely that, in daily meetings, for years.
That's marketing -- and if newspapers had paid more attention to it over the
years perhaps they wouldn't be dying now.

> You have commented on reporting in this newsgroup and said it was because
> of your previous career as "a newsman." That's what I object to.

That is a lie. I have never, ever claimed to be a reporter at a daily
newspaper -- even though I have published magazine articles.

> Amazing rant, and it explains a lot about your disdain for reporting. I
> didn't think you were the type to make such an attack, or that you hated
> journalists so intensely.

I don't hate journalists. I hate people who claim to be journalists that
call me a liar or a fraud in an international forum.

If I'm not making myself clear here, that would be YOU, Stella.

> Jay, I'm disappointed in you. While people enjoy your descriptive writing
> about flying ventures, you seem to put more energy into silly arguments
> and a great deal of vitriol into defending some wild-ass opinions. If you
> stick with your strong points, you could regain some of that respect.

I don't give two ****s about your "disappointment". No one accuses me of
lying about my newspaper credentials and doesn't get called to task for
it -- I don't care how many times you've stayed in my hotel, or how many
times your husband buys the beer. You were totally, 100% out of line for
saying what you did, and your pointless blather isn't going to change that.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
>> there are some basic differences as Europeans (not all, I'm generalising)
>> tend to be not so we-wee about sex etc, so we don't ask for a bathroom
>> (the bathroom is for taking a shower or brushing your teeth etc.) but for
>> the toilet (or other words to that effect). So there might come the
>> situation for your son where he is confronted with things in public he
>> might not see in the US like an openly displayed female nude breast in
>> advertising, nudity on TV before 8pm, breastfeeding in a bus, etc.
>
> Thanks for the tips. I know Joe is hoping to see all those liberal European
> women gallivanting around Spain with their breasts exposed -- but I told him
> not to get his hopes up.

well, it all ends up in stereotypes (as you wrote below about spanish
men). Spain (hm, it depends heavily on the area where he is in Spain; it
is a rather small country in your terms, but it has many different
cultural areas, besides the differences living in a city or on the
country or close to the beach with heavy tourism) as a southern country
is for sure more relaxed than northern countries (compared to Florida
and states in the north) - it is (remember, I'm generalising!) a more
easy-living, taking it more relaxed, etc.
But there aren't Spanish girls walking around topless everywhere. You
might see that on the beaches (this is nothing really special beeing
topless at the beach). But there are also strict rules like for walking
into churches (don't do it with shorts etc.) etc..

> Conversely, at the orientation meeting we attended the girls were told in NO
> uncertain terms not to "dress like you do here" because Spanish boys have an
> "interesting" idea of what American girls are like. In other words, they
> think they're all "loose" because of what they've seen in Hollywood
> movies...

as above, everybody loves to feed his stereotypes. What most see here is
what they 'learn' from the TV-soaps, and then many take it for ganted
that Americans are the same like the folks in TV-soaps. :-)
But the spanish climate for sure opens your mind and it is easier for
some close encounters (oh well, I remember some beach nights on a
Spanish beach ... hmmmm ... yummie ... those where the days ...).

One of the - IMHO - biggest differences between USA and Europe are the
topics of discussions (again, generalising, bear that in mind!):
in the USA it is OK to talk about:
- job, salaries, cost of your house, ...
and not so OK:
- family, health, religion, sex, ...
in Europe one does not want to talk about salaries, but it is easier to
talk about more private things. Also sex is seen more open minded. Don't
talk about politics if you don't really have a good knowing about
details and if you are good in real discussions, you easily may find
people who are fit in US politics. Talkink about politics is not a no-no
itself.
(So) it is harder to make friendship in Europe, but once you made
friendship it is a real friendship where you can talk about everything.

It might sound harsh, but the _stereotypes_ are this way: Tell your son
that he should not walk around as "hey, I'm American, you're nothing!"
but more as "Hey, I know you might have a bad picture about us
Americans, but I'm here to see and try to understand your point of
view". Hope you get the idea (he still can think whatever he wants, but
presenting him the other way makes these 2 weeks easier for him). And he
should try to speak Spanish, at least for a greeting and a good bye. He
might be offered a cheek for a welcome-kiss and/or a big hug. This might
be disturbing for him, especially after 20 hours or so en-route with
7(?) hours time difference.

#m

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:6pJAj.67620$yE1.58863@attbi_s21:

>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?
>
> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our fathers?

You're a facist **** NOW.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:kCJAj.67638$yE1.38355@attbi_s21:

>> Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then:
>> >> I've
>> >> worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times,
>> >> the Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.
>
> Those aren't claims -- those are facts. I have worked for and with
> all four of those newspapers. For you (or anyone else) to assume that
> my employment had anything to do with being a reporter, of all things,
> is presumptuous. I've never claimed to be one, nor, after my first
> two years in newspapers, did I ever want to be one.
>

It was your implication and you know it, paperboi.

Bertie

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> It might sound harsh, but the _stereotypes_ are this way: Tell your son
> that he should not walk around as "hey, I'm American, you're nothing!" but
> more as "Hey, I know you might have a bad picture about us Americans, but
> I'm here to see and try to understand your point of view". Hope you get
> the idea (he still can think whatever he wants, but presenting him the
> other way makes these 2 weeks easier for him). And he should try to speak
> Spanish, at least for a greeting and a good bye.

I guess I didn't make it clear that this was a Spanish immersion trip. The
kids are not allowed to speak English for two weeks. Not even amongst
themselves -- although I suspect that rule is pretty tough to enforce.

So Joe -- horrible accent and all -- will be seeking "el bano" in Spanish
for two weeks, for better or worse. I suspect he'll do well -- he's had six
years of Spanish.

(Actually, his biggest worry is that he's not well-versed in European
Spanish, having been more exposed to Mexican Spanish. Apparently the
vocabulary and pronunciations have grown apart fairly significantly.)

>He might be offered a cheek for a welcome-kiss and/or a big hug. This might
>be disturbing for him, especially after 20 hours or so en-route with 7(?)
>hours time difference.

Nah, kissing won't bother him. Unless it's a big, hairy guy trying to do
the kissing. Being a sleep deprived wrestler and power-lifter, I'd hate to
see the outcome of that...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Kadaitcha Man[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
> news:6pJAj.67620$yE1.58863@attbi_s21:
>
>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?
>>
>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our fathers?
>
> You're a facist **** NOW.

Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****, let alone a
fascist ****.

Thank you.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Kadaitcha Man" > wrote in
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>> news:6pJAj.67620$yE1.58863@attbi_s21:
>>
>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?
>>>
>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our fathers?
>>
>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>
> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****, let
> alone a fascist ****.
>
> Thank you.


With Jay, that is impossible..


Bertie

[Kadaitcha Man[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> "Kadaitcha Man" > wrote in
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>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>>> news:6pJAj.67620$yE1.58863@attbi_s21:
>>>
>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?
>>>>
>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our fathers?
>>>
>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>
>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****, let
>> alone a fascist ****.
>>
>> Thank you.
>
>
> With Jay, that is impossible..

The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother than the
statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Kadaitcha Man" > wrote in
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>>>> news:6pJAj.67620$yE1.58863@attbi_s21:
>>>>
>>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our
fathers?
>>>>
>>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>>
>>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****, let
>>> alone a fascist ****.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> With Jay, that is impossible..
>
> The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother than the
> statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.
>

I don't recall sayin gthat a **** ws anything other than a ****.
Unless it's merde, of course.

Bertie

[Eduardo K.]

In article <1hRAj.68140$yE1.30721@attbi_s21>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>(Actually, his biggest worry is that he's not well-versed in European
>Spanish, having been more exposed to Mexican Spanish. Apparently the
>vocabulary and pronunciations have grown apart fairly significantly.)
>

Tell him not to worry. Its a much smaller difference than US and Australian
english.

Just tell him to learn the three key phrases:

-Con permiso (excuse me)
-Gracias (thanks)
-Por favor hable mas despacio (please talk slower)

That should do it :)

Ah... and a small tidbit... US people are considered rude in most of europe,
mostly because they don't try to speak locally and just barf in loud and slow english.
If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or... etc) even if he fails
misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be able to continue
in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in turist cities, and
a lot even in more remote places.

(I sound US to germans, thats how I know... :)
--
Eduardo K. | Hofstadter's Law:
http://www.carfun.cl | It always takes longer than you expect,
http://e.nn.cl | even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

[akjcbkJA]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> Stella Starr > wrote in
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>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
>> I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)
>>
>
> Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint..

Is that a real pint or a short pint?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"akjcbkJA" > wrote in
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>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
>>> I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint..
>
> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>
>

WTF is a short pint?


Bertie

[Kadaitcha Man[_2_]]

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>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during WWII?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our
> fathers?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>>>
>>>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****, let
>>>> alone a fascist ****.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> With Jay, that is impossible..
>>
>> The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother than the
>> statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.
>>
>
> I don't recall sayin gthat a **** ws anything other than a ****.
> Unless it's merde, of course.

So, you deny you referred to a "fascist ****" now, do you?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during
WWII?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our
>> fathers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****,
let
>>>>> alone a fascist ****.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With Jay, that is impossible..
>>>
>>> The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother than
the
>>> statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.
>>>
>>
>> I don't recall sayin gthat a **** ws anything other than a ****.
>> Unless it's merde, of course.
>
> So, you deny you referred to a "fascist ****" now, do you?
>
>
>

Absolutely. I dare you to provide evidence that i did anything of the
sort.


Bertie

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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during
> WWII?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our
>>> fathers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****,
> let
>>>>>> alone a fascist ****.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With Jay, that is impossible..
>>>>
>>>> The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother than
> the
>>>> statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't recall sayin gthat a **** ws anything other than a ****.
>>> Unless it's merde, of course.
>>
>> So, you deny you referred to a "fascist ****" now, do you?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Absolutely. I dare you to provide evidence that i did anything of the
> sort.

There's no need for me to do anything. You however need to learn to read and
also grow a storage cell inside your skull and label it "memory".

[dizzy]

Dan wrote:

>You any kin to Cheech and Chong?
>
>Jes wonderin'

Chong is asian, dorky.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 9, 6:23 pm, dizzy > wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> >You any kin to Cheech and Chong?
>
> >Jes wonderin'
>
> Chong is asian, dorky.

I was covering all the bases, dizzy.

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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during
>> WWII?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our
>>>> fathers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****,
>> let
>>>>>>> alone a fascist ****.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Jay, that is impossible..
>>>>>
>>>>> The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother than
>> the
>>>>> statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall sayin gthat a **** ws anything other than a ****.
>>>> Unless it's merde, of course.
>>>
>>> So, you deny you referred to a "fascist ****" now, do you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Absolutely. I dare you to provide evidence that i did anything of the
>> sort.
>
> There's no need for me to do anything. You however need to learn to
> read and also grow a storage cell inside your skull and label it
> "memory".
>
>
>

I doubt I'd find room amongst the old magazines and dust bunnies.

Bertie

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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during
>>> WWII?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our
>>>>> fathers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a ****,
>>> let
>>>>>>>> alone a fascist ****.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With Jay, that is impossible..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother than
>>> the
>>>>>> statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall sayin gthat a **** ws anything other than a ****.
>>>>> Unless it's merde, of course.
>>>>
>>>> So, you deny you referred to a "fascist ****" now, do you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Absolutely. I dare you to provide evidence that i did anything of the
>>> sort.
>>
>> There's no need for me to do anything. You however need to learn to
>> read and also grow a storage cell inside your skull and label it
>> "memory".
>>
>>
>>
>
> I doubt I'd find room amongst the old magazines and dust bunnies.

At least you're honest some of the time.

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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do "we" still owe "you" anything for what "you" did during
>>>> WWII?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, all good questions. Should we bear the guilt of our
>>>>>> fathers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're a facist **** NOW.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please provide proof that a **** is anything other than a
****,
>>>> let
>>>>>>>>> alone a fascist ****.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With Jay, that is impossible..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The challenge has nothing to do with anyone or anythingother
than
>>>> the
>>>>>>> statement that you made, you retarded ****bubble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall sayin gthat a **** ws anything other than a ****.
>>>>>> Unless it's merde, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, you deny you referred to a "fascist ****" now, do you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely. I dare you to provide evidence that i did anything of
the
>>>> sort.
>>>
>>> There's no need for me to do anything. You however need to learn to
>>> read and also grow a storage cell inside your skull and label it
>>> "memory".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I doubt I'd find room amongst the old magazines and dust bunnies.
>
> At least you're honest some of the time.
>
>
>

Figuring out which part of the time is the interesting bit.


Bertie

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>
> WTF is a short pint?

Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Dylan Smith > wrote in
:

> On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>
>> WTF is a short pint?
>
> Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>

Just give me a bucket and let my urinary tract sort out the rest.


bertie

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Just like the undeserved stereotypes of blacks, Mexicans, Poles, Gypsies,
>> Jews, Catholics etc. etc. etc., the nasty perceptions are only
>> perpetuated
>> by the ignorant people who persist in displaying how small they really
>> are
>> by repeating them.
>
> Actually, no. You're confusing a national stereotype (the French
> People) with prejudicial views against individuals within a race or
> nationality (Poles, Jews, etc.) To my knowledge, no one regards
> individuals of French descent to be inferior or dumb -- if anything,
> individually the French are seen as suave and debonair -- but as a
> nation they are commonly ridiculed due to their recent (post-1938)
> behavior.
>
> This is a subtle yet important difference that makes the two attitudes
> apples and oranges.
>
> (And, just so you know this shouldn't be taken personally, my mother's
> family is of French descent.)

Making you a fils de pute, then...

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or... etc) even
> if he fails
> misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be able to
> continue
> in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in turist
> cities, and
> a lot even in more remote places.

Yep, it's going to be Spanish or....sign language, I guess. No English
allowed.

I'd pay good money to have a hidden camera on him in Madrid!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 10, 10:47 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or... etc) even
> > if he fails
> > misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be able to
> > continue
> > in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in turist
> > cities, and
> > a lot even in more remote places.

When I travel abroad and my size and demeanor label me as an American
(that's tall, not wide).

As soon as I begin speaking French, the barriers dissolve and the
welcomes begin.

It's sad, in a way, but understandable. I've silently witnessed the
"Tourists" coming in and acting like asses.

I think if we stop all tourism departing from NY we'll solve 75% of
the problem.


Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:5pmBj.70409$yE1.50829@attbi_s21:

>> If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or... etc)
>> even if he fails
>> misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be able to
>> continue
>> in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in turist
>> cities, and
>> a lot even in more remote places.
>
> Yep, it's going to be Spanish or....sign language, I guess. No
> English allowed.
>
> I'd pay good money to have a hidden camera on him in Madrid!

Maybe you could send the one you use to check on your mexican staff.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in
:

> On Mar 10, 10:47 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>> > If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or...
>> > etc) even if he fails
>> > misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be able
>> > to continue
>> > in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in turist
>> > cities, and
>> > a lot even in more remote places.
>
> When I travel abroad and my size and demeanor label me as an American
> (that's tall, not wide).
>
> As soon as I begin speaking French, the barriers dissolve and the
> welcomes begin.
>
> It's sad, in a way, but understandable. I've silently witnessed the
> "Tourists" coming in and acting like asses.
>
> I think if we stop all tourism departing from NY we'll solve 75% of
> the problem.
>

Nah, americans are as amateurs compared to the Brits. They are, hands
donw, far and away, the worst tourists who ever lived. Americans ma be a
bit clueless, but they're actually ( and I'm generalising here) abit
more in awe of local culture even if they don;t like it. The brits will
throw a union jack over whatever it is they find, rename it and start
serving fish and chips. They're currently on a "**** over france" binge.
Their med resorts are simply appaling. I wandered into one in Corfu a
few years ago and it had to be seen to be believed. The Greeks wisely
tiled every public place in the town (Kavos) so they could hose them
down after they were finished.







Bertie


Bertie

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 11, 11:01 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Dan > wrote :
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 10:47 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> >> > If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or...
> >> > etc) even if he fails
> >> > misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be able
> >> > to continue
> >> > in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in turist
> >> > cities, and
> >> > a lot even in more remote places.
>
> > When I travel abroad and my size and demeanor label me as an American
> > (that's tall, not wide).
>
> > As soon as I begin speaking French, the barriers dissolve and the
> > welcomes begin.
>
> > It's sad, in a way, but understandable. I've silently witnessed the
> > "Tourists" coming in and acting like asses.
>
> > I think if we stop all tourism departing from NY we'll solve 75% of
> > the problem.
>
> Nah, americans are as amateurs compared to the Brits. They are, hands
> donw, far and away, the worst tourists who ever lived. Americans ma be a
> bit clueless, but they're actually ( and I'm generalising here) abit
> more in awe of local culture even if they don;t like it. The brits will
> throw a union jack over whatever it is they find, rename it and start
> serving fish and chips. They're currently on a "**** over france" binge.
> Their med resorts are simply appaling. I wandered into one in Corfu a
> few years ago and it had to be seen to be believed. The Greeks wisely
> tiled every public place in the town (Kavos) so they could hose them
> down after they were finished.
>
> Bertie
>
> Bertie

LOL.. now that's funny.

Read Daniel Boorstin's "The Image" and you'll never be the same again.
Absolutely ravages the "tourist" mentality (among so many other
things).

(Boorstin was former librarian of Congress -- so this isn't kook
pamphlet).

Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in
:

> On Mar 11, 11:01 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Dan > wrote
>> innews:c0b81167-79ba-4aaf-b759-846832052424
@n36g2000hse.googlegroups.c
>> om:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 10, 10:47 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>> >> > If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or...
>> >> > etc) even if he fails
>> >> > misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be
>> >> > able to continue
>> >> > in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in
>> >> > turist cities, and
>> >> > a lot even in more remote places.
>>
>> > When I travel abroad and my size and demeanor label me as an
>> > American (that's tall, not wide).
>>
>> > As soon as I begin speaking French, the barriers dissolve and the
>> > welcomes begin.
>>
>> > It's sad, in a way, but understandable. I've silently witnessed the
>> > "Tourists" coming in and acting like asses.
>>
>> > I think if we stop all tourism departing from NY we'll solve 75% of
>> > the problem.
>>
>> Nah, americans are as amateurs compared to the Brits. They are, hands
>> donw, far and away, the worst tourists who ever lived. Americans ma
>> be a bit clueless, but they're actually ( and I'm generalising here)
>> abit more in awe of local culture even if they don;t like it. The
>> brits will throw a union jack over whatever it is they find, rename
>> it and start serving fish and chips. They're currently on a "****
>> over france" binge. Their med resorts are simply appaling. I wandered
>> into one in Corfu a few years ago and it had to be seen to be
>> believed. The Greeks wisely tiled every public place in the town
>> (Kavos) so they could hose them down after they were finished.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>> Bertie
>
> LOL.. now that's funny.
>
> Read Daniel Boorstin's "The Image" and you'll never be the same again.

I'm never the same from one minute to the next.


Bertie

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-11, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Nah, americans are as amateurs compared to the Brits. They are, hands
> donw, far and away, the worst tourists who ever lived.

Not this one. I personally try to avoid all the British ghettos in
holiday resorts.

I'd also say the Germans are one step worse. There's a whole lot of hand
wringing over here about binge drinking. I saw the Germans on vacation
in Palma de Mallorca last year. They make the British look like amateurs
when it comes to binge drinking!

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dylan Smith > wrote in
:

> On 2008-03-11, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Nah, americans are as amateurs compared to the Brits. They are, hands
>> donw, far and away, the worst tourists who ever lived.
>
> Not this one. I personally try to avoid all the British ghettos in
> holiday resorts.
>
> I'd also say the Germans are one step worse.

No, they aren't.


There's a whole lot of hand
> wringing over here about binge drinking. I saw the Germans on vacation
> in Palma de Mallorca last year. They make the British look like
amateurs
> when it comes to binge drinking!

I get to Germany and the Uk quite a lot. No comparison.
i know not all brits do this, but you only have to look at beeny-dawm"
to see who the champions are.


Bertie

[dave hillstrom]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:

>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>
>> WTF is a short pint?
>
>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.

bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
american beers. period.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

[WingFlaps]

On Mar 12, 8:59*pm, dave hillstrom > wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>
> > wrote:
> >On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>
> >> WTF is a short pint?
>
> >Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>
> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> american beers. *period.
>

If you are only interested in alcohol and getting drunk, that may be
an important, albeit not always correct, consideration. More adult
beer drinkers are looking for taste. Your period is getting the bitter
of you.

Cheers

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

dave hillstrom > wrote in
:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>>
>>> WTF is a short pint?
>>
>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>
> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> american beers. period.
>

Nope. most are higher alcoho content per volume, though they vary wildly.
Their real beers will blow the back of your head off and leave you feeling
pretty ****ty the next day, too. As you can see, some of them (McEwans,
which tastes awful) are very potent indeed.


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol_info1.shtml


Bertie

[Aratzio]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
bloviated:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>>
>>> WTF is a short pint?
>>
>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>
>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>american beers. period.

How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-12, dave hillstrom > wrote:
>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>
> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> american beers. period.

They are? They vary quite widely in strength from around 3% for a mild,
and near 7% for 'strong ale'. There are one or two outliers at about 9%.
Beers in the US range from around 3.2% to around 5.5% for the mass
produced stuff, and generally around 5%-7% for some of the smaller
breweries outputs. Presumably, there are a couple of 9% outliers too.

In any case, enjoying a beer is seldom about drinking the strongest beer
you can find.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Aratzio > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
> bloviated:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>>>
>>>> WTF is a short pint?
>>>
>>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>
>>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>>american beers. period.
>
> How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
>
Eww! they taste like molasses.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Dylan Smith > wrote in
:

> On 2008-03-12, dave hillstrom > wrote:
>>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>
>> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> american beers. period.
>
> They are? They vary quite widely in strength from around 3% for a mild,
> and near 7% for 'strong ale'. There are one or two outliers at about 9%.
> Beers in the US range from around 3.2% to around 5.5% for the mass
> produced stuff, and generally around 5%-7% for some of the smaller
> breweries outputs. Presumably, there are a couple of 9% outliers too.

There are, mostly in Scotland where they probably deep fry them into the
bargain.


Bertie

[Aratzio]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:38:43 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Bertie the Bunyip >
bloviated:

>Aratzio > wrote in
:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
>> bloviated:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>>>>
>>>>> WTF is a short pint?
>>>>
>>>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>>
>>>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>>>american beers. period.
>>
>> How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
>>
>Eww! they taste like molasses.
>
>Bertie

HEATHEN!

[Aratzio]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:39:53 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Bertie the Bunyip >
bloviated:

>Dylan Smith > wrote in
:
>
>> On 2008-03-12, dave hillstrom > wrote:
>>>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>>
>>> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>>> american beers. period.
>>
>> They are? They vary quite widely in strength from around 3% for a mild,
>> and near 7% for 'strong ale'. There are one or two outliers at about 9%.
>> Beers in the US range from around 3.2% to around 5.5% for the mass
>> produced stuff, and generally around 5%-7% for some of the smaller
>> breweries outputs. Presumably, there are a couple of 9% outliers too.
>
>There are, mostly in Scotland where they probably deep fry them into the
>bargain.
>
>
>Bertie

Canadian (Belgian Style) brewery called Unibroue
www.unibroue.com

They ales with up to 9% (used to be 10%). Only brews I have ever found
that have that high of alcohol and don't taste disgusting.

I especially like Trois Pistoles & La Fin Du Monde

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Aratzio > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:38:43 +0000 (UTC), in
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Bertie the Bunyip >
> bloviated:
>
>>Aratzio > wrote in
:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
>>> bloviated:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF is a short pint?
>>>>>
>>>>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>>>
>>>>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>>>>american beers. period.
>>>
>>> How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
>>>
>>Eww! they taste like molasses.
>>
>>Bertie
>
> HEATHEN!
>

I've gotten to filter a good bit of belgian beer in my life. most of it
is vile, IMO. Stella is the only thing I've drunk in the 'first' world
that gives me a headache while I'm drinking it. Jupiler isn;t much
better and those gooey trappist beers are a bit too heavy for me. THe
Hoegarten isn't too bad, though, and Leffe at least doesn't make me
sick.



Bertie

[RdKetchup]

Tina wrote:
> Just to lighten the mood a little, you might try clicking on this.
>
> It is aviation related, in its way.
>
> http://www.videovat.com/videos/3693/funny-failed-french-missile-test.aspx
>

The soldiers in that video aren't French, they are Canadian.

[Jim Stewart]

RdKetchup wrote:
> Tina wrote:
>> Just to lighten the mood a little, you might try clicking on this.
>>
>> It is aviation related, in its way.
>>
>> http://www.videovat.com/videos/3693/funny-failed-french-missile-test.aspx
>>
>
> The soldiers in that video aren't French, they are Canadian.

That's what happens when the ejection charge fires
but the rocket motor doesn't ignite.

Somewhere on the web there's a very long report
on the development of the US Army's Redeye missile.
A similar thing happened with the missile ejecting
the launch tube, flying about 10 meters forward
and falling to the ground. Then the rocket motor
ignited and spun the missile around the ground
next to the observers. That would have made a
better movie, what with the 2 and 3 star generals
dancing.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> I've gotten to filter a good bit of belgian beer in my life. most of it
> is vile, IMO. Stella is the only thing I've drunk in the 'first' world
> that gives me a headache while I'm drinking it. Jupiler isn;t much
> better and those gooey trappist beers are a bit too heavy for me. THe
> Hoegarten isn't too bad, though, and Leffe at least doesn't make me
> sick.

Mmmm...Hoegaarden. Haven't found it on tap around here, but I generally
get it whenever I'm in New York. Les Halles is the spot - good food and
Hoegaarden.

[dave hillstrom]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:23:44 -0700 (PDT), WingFlaps
> wrote:

>On Mar 12, 8:59*pm, dave hillstrom > wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>
>> >> WTF is a short pint?
>>
>> >Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>
>> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> american beers. *period.
>>
>
>If you are only interested in alcohol and getting drunk, that may be
>an important, albeit not always correct, consideration. More adult
>beer drinkers are looking for taste. Your period is getting the bitter
>of you.
>
>Cheers

heh

perhaps. but taste often goes with the more alcoholic beverage, if
properly made. i imagine the winos in the crowd might have something
to say about this.

AND it is not ~i~ what started the age old brag of the british that
goes like this: "our beers taste better, are more alcoholic, and
generally the all around dogs ********."

but, to this, it IS ~i~ what says: "bull****."

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

[dave hillstrom]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:12:38 GMT, Aratzio >
wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
>bloviated:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>>>>>
>>>> WTF is a short pint?
>>>
>>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>
>>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>>american beers. period.
>
>How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?

they are considerably alchoholic and considerably tasty.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

[mariposas rand mair fheal]

In article >,
dave hillstrom > wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:12:38 GMT, Aratzio >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
> >alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
> >bloviated:
> >
> >>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
> >>>>>
> >>>> WTF is a short pint?
> >>>
> >>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
> >>
> >>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> >>american beers. period.
> >
> >How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
>
> they are considerably alchoholic and considerably tasty.

i will stick to my root beer

arf meow arf - i dont like squishy
i think i hit a wookie on the expressway
nobody could do that much decoupage
without calling on the powers of darkness

[Aratzio]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:34:40 -0700, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mariposas rand mair fheal
> got double secret probation for writing:

>In article >,
> dave hillstrom > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:12:38 GMT, Aratzio >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
>> >alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
>> >bloviated:
>> >
>> >>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> WTF is a short pint?
>> >>>
>> >>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>> >>
>> >>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> >>american beers. period.
>> >
>> >How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
>>
>> they are considerably alchoholic and considerably tasty.
>
>i will stick to my root beer
>
Henry Weinhard?


--

A Number 1, Grade A, Prime USDA 'Ratz
Accept No Substitute

[dave hillstrom]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:18:40 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:

>On 2008-03-12, dave hillstrom > wrote:
>>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>
>> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> american beers. period.
>
>They are? They vary quite widely in strength from around 3% for a mild,
>and near 7% for 'strong ale'. There are one or two outliers at about 9%.
>Beers in the US range from around 3.2% to around 5.5% for the mass
>produced stuff, and generally around 5%-7% for some of the smaller
>breweries outputs. Presumably, there are a couple of 9% outliers too.

welcome to the froth!

there are actually quite a number of 9% beers in the US. in fact,
there are so many that some of the poorer, mainstream ones can be had
at any 7-11 type corner store.

several months ago, steve leyland posted an url for a beer festival at
his local pub. he was quite proud of this. so i went to the url and
noticed something peculiar of the 20 or so beers: only ONE had more
than a 5.5% alcohol rating, and the vast majority had less than 4.5%.
this of course flies in the face of the standard british rant that
their beers are stronger than those in the USA. and the number of
international awards granted to american beers nowadays certainly puts
a damper on the british rant that their beers all taste better than
ours. so, basically, my thing is that im telling the brits what say
"ours is stronger and better" that they are utterly and completely
full of ****. i mean, my god, cant you european ****ers find
SOMETHING better than samual adams LIGHT to win in the tourneys?
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAAA

>In any case, enjoying a beer is seldom about drinking the strongest beer
>you can find.

personally, i make mead, and its not much of a contest about which is
stronger. though the mead needs about 4 or more months to age
properly, and i can have a batch of 8 or 9% ale ready to go and mighty
tasty in about 3 weeks.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

[Eeyore[_2_]]

dave hillstrom wrote:

> Dylan Smith wrote:
> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
> >>>
> >> WTF is a short pint?
> >
> >Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>
> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> american beers. period.

Absurd nonsense.

Graham

[mariposas rand mair fheal]

In article >,
Aratzio > wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:34:40 -0700, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mariposas rand mair fheal
> > got double secret probation for writing:
>
> >In article >,
> > dave hillstrom > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:12:38 GMT, Aratzio >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
> >> >alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
> >> >bloviated:
> >> >
> >> >>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> WTF is a short pint?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
> >> >>
> >> >>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> >> >>american beers. period.
> >> >
> >> >How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
> >>
> >> they are considerably alchoholic and considerably tasty.
> >
> >i will stick to my root beer
> >
> Henry Weinhard?

diet hanson or ibc mostly
diet root beers usually have more flavor
and less sickly sweet

i dont take anything with more than trace alcohol

arf meow arf - i dont like squishy
i think i hit a wookie on the expressway
nobody could do that much decoupage
without calling on the powers of darkness

[dgs[_3_]]

Eeyore wrote:

> dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>
>>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>>american beers. period.
>
>
> Absurd nonsense.

Only to someone clueless about beer and alcohol content. English beers
are often around 4.0% alcohol by volume, which is equivalent to 3.2%
alcohol by weight. Many English beers have even less alcohol content;
it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even lower.
Mass-produced lagers brewed in England aren't terribly high in alcohol,
with the exception of junk like "Kestrel Super Strength" and "Carlsberg
Special Export" - high-alcohol high-adjunct liquid junk for people who
might as well be drinking cheap wine or mixed drinks by the bucket.

Typical American mass-produced beers range from 4.0% abv to 5.0% abv,
and there are numerous American-made beers considerably stronger than
this. The fabled "three two" beer sold in some parts of the USA is
3.2% alcohol by WEIGHT - the same as 4.0% alcohol by volume.

Get your facts straight before your tedious pronouncement of "absurd
nonsense."

[Eeyore[_2_]]

dgs wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > dave hillstrom wrote:
> >
> >
> >>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> >>american beers. period.
> >
> >
> > Absurd nonsense.
>
> Only to someone clueless about beer and alcohol content. English beers
> are often around 4.0% alcohol by volume, which is equivalent to 3.2%
> alcohol by weight. Many English beers have even less alcohol content;
> it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even lower.

And plenty go higher.


> Mass-produced lagers brewed in England aren't terribly high in alcohol,

5 - 5.2% for popular lagers like Stella and Holsten (both brewed here).


> with the exception of junk like "Kestrel Super Strength" and "Carlsberg
> Special Export" - high-alcohol high-adjunct liquid junk for people who
> might as well be drinking cheap wine or mixed drinks by the bucket.
>
> Typical American mass-produced beers range from 4.0% abv to 5.0% abv,
> and there are numerous American-made beers considerably stronger than
> this. The fabled "three two" beer sold in some parts of the USA is
> 3.2% alcohol by WEIGHT - the same as 4.0% alcohol by volume.
>
> Get your facts straight before your tedious pronouncement of "absurd
> nonsense."

I suggest you read this. These London brewed beers are available in the
USA.

http://www.thenibble.com/reviews/main/beer/fullers-beer.asp

6.3% abv
5.9% abv
4.7% abv
5.4% abv

Graham

[dave hillstrom]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:34:40 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> wrote:

>In article >,
> dave hillstrom > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:12:38 GMT, Aratzio >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:59:39 -0400, in
>> >alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom >
>> >bloviated:
>> >
>> >>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:28 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On 2008-03-09, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >>>>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> WTF is a short pint?
>> >>>
>> >>>Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>> >>
>> >>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> >>american beers. period.
>> >
>> >How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
>>
>> they are considerably alchoholic and considerably tasty.
>
>i will stick to my root beer

which is ANOTHER thing the brits are HEINOUSLY behind us US folks in.

go on, go to england and just TRY to find a fricken Barqs. go on.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

[dave hillstrom]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:51:34 +0000, Eeyore
> wrote:

>
>
>dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> Dylan Smith wrote:
>> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>> >>>
>> >> WTF is a short pint?
>> >
>> >Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>>
>> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> american beers. period.
>
>Absurd nonsense.
>
>Graham

argue your point, then, instead of following the standard brit way of
digging a hole in the sand and sticking your head in it, all the while
crying "im invisible! no one can see me!".

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

dave hillstrom wrote:
>>> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint
>
>argue your point, then, instead of following the standard brit way of
>digging a hole in the sand and sticking your head in it, all the while
>crying "im invisible! no one can see me!".
>
It is official. We have reached complete degeneration of this thread.
tho' it really didn't have much to offer in the first place.

--
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[Eeyore[_2_]]

dgs wrote:

> Many English beers have even less alcohol content;
> it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even lower.

Try finding anywhere selling mild other than at beer 'exhibitions'. I have
never known ANYONE to drink it.

The usual traditional British beer is 'bitter' which mostly ranges from
around 4 - 5.5%. A few go over 6%.

Graham

[Eeyore[_2_]]

dave hillstrom wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> >dave hillstrom wrote:
> >> Dylan Smith wrote:
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
> >> >>>
> >> >> WTF is a short pint?
> >> >
> >> >Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
> >>
> >> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
> >> american beers. period.
> >
> >Absurd nonsense.
> >
> >Graham
>
> argue your point, then, instead of following the standard brit way of
> digging a hole in the sand and sticking your head in it, all the while
> crying "im invisible! no one can see me!".

So, what do you think most popular British beers average in alcohol
content ? And what's your claim for US beers ?

Personally I consider US beers to be little better than **** water. RICE
used in them ? Jeeeez !

Beat this btw .....

"Golden Pride, dubbed the "Cognac of Beers" is an 8.5% abv full bodied
beer."
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news_detail.aspx?articleid=57749

It's lovely stuff too. Don't drink too much of it !


Graham

[terry]

On Mar 12, 2:01*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Dan > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 10:47 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> >> > If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or...
> >> > etc) even if he fails
> >> > misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be able
> >> > to continue
> >> > in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in turist
> >> > cities, and
> >> > a lot even in more remote places.
>
> > When I travel abroad and my size and demeanor label me as an American
> > (that's tall, not wide).
>
> > As soon as I begin speaking French, the barriers dissolve and the
> > welcomes begin.
>
> > It's sad, in a way, but understandable. I've silently witnessed the
> > "Tourists" coming in and acting like asses.
>
> > I think if we stop all tourism departing from NY we'll solve 75% of
> > the problem.
>
> Nah, americans are as amateurs compared to the Brits. They are, hands
> donw, far and away, the worst tourists who ever lived. Americans ma be a
> bit clueless, but they're actually ( and I'm generalising here) abit
> more in awe of local culture even if they don;t like it. The brits will
> throw a union jack over whatever it is they find, rename it and start
> serving fish and chips. They're currently on a "**** over france" binge.
> Their med resorts are simply appaling. I wandered into one in Corfu a
> few years ago and it had to be seen to be believed. The Greeks wisely
> tiled every public place in the town (Kavos) so they could hose them
> down after they were finished.
>
Nah Aussies are far worse than Brits. We, I mean they, have little
respect for culture full stop.
We, I mean they , go to peaceful places like Bali and behave like
absolute *******, getting ****ed out of their
brains at every opportunity. We, I mean they, like going to Britain
just to hang **** on "the poms" and rub it in
their faces that they cant play cricket or rugby ( substitute any
activity that takes brawn over brain). We, I mean they
make lame jokes to mock every culture that ever lived on the planet.
We , I mean they , have created or populiarised, a derogatory term for
just about every country , except the ones we, I mean they, havent
heard of. Theres the Septic Tanks ( yanks ) Wogs, Nips ,Towell heads,
frogs, lesbos, boongs. Yep , we, I mean they , are shockers. Our , I
mean their, saving grace was that at least they didnt go around
bombing the crap out of other countries we, I mean they, have no
business being in ..... until our, I mean their , jerk of a prime
minister followed the village idiot into Iraq. ( our, I mean their,
lack of respect is particularly profound when it comes to
politicians ...of all persuasions )
Terry
PPL , Fisherman Downunder

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-12, dave hillstrom > wrote:
> there are actually quite a number of 9% beers in the US. in fact,
> there are so many that some of the poorer, mainstream ones can be had
> at any 7-11 type corner store.

They aren't beer, they are horse **** masquerading as beer. The poorer
quality strong ales are generally rank. They are usually just strong to
let people who want to boast about the strength of the beer get drunk.

> this of course flies in the face of the standard british rant that
> their beers are stronger than those in the USA.

That's not a standard rant I've heard. Perhaps I hang out with the wrong
people.

Having lived in both countries, and not liking crap, mass produced beer,
I've found the good, bad and indifferent in both. I have found good
beers in places such as Utah, believe it or not.

Beer lovers who rant about $OTHER_COUNTRY's beer probably simply haven't
actually been there.

> "ours is stronger and better" that they are utterly and completely
> full of ****.

I entirely agree. There are plenty of good quality beers in Europe,
Britain, the US and Canada. The general rule of thumb with all of them
is usually that the smaller breweries (i.e. the ones run by those who
are passionate about their product) have far superior output to mass
produced beer.

We are spoiled where I live. Three breweries and one distillery for a
population of 80,000.

--
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Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-13, Eeyore > wrote:
>> Many English beers have even less alcohol content;
>> it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even lower.
>
> Try finding anywhere selling mild other than at beer 'exhibitions'. I have
> never known ANYONE to drink it.

A number of the pubs here have Bushy's Mild (about 3.5% abv), which is a
very enjoyable drink. Especially if you're spending the night at the pub
and don't want to get bladdered.

There's a lot more to the enjoyment of beer than alcohol content.

--
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[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-13, dave hillstrom > wrote:
> which is ANOTHER thing the brits are HEINOUSLY behind us US folks in.
>
> go on, go to england and just TRY to find a fricken Barqs. go on.

Just go to the chemist (drug store) and pick up cough medicine. It
tastes just the same!

--
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[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>> >dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >> Dylan Smith wrote:
>> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> WTF is a short pint?
>> >> >
>> >> >Presumably a 16oz pint, as opposed to the 20oz Imperial pint.
>> >>
>> >> bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> >> american beers. period.
>> >
>> >Absurd nonsense.
>> >
>> >Graham
>>
>> argue your point, then, instead of following the standard brit way of
>> digging a hole in the sand and sticking your head in it, all the
while
>> crying "im invisible! no one can see me!".
>
> So, what do you think most popular British beers average in alcohol
> content ? And what's your claim for US beers ?
>
> Personally I consider US beers to be little better than **** water.
RICE
> used in them ? Jeeeez !
>
> Beat this btw .....
>
> "Golden Pride, dubbed the "Cognac of Beers" is an 8.5% abv full bodied
> beer."
> http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news_detail.aspx?articleid=57749
>
> It's lovely stuff too. Don't drink too much of it !


Shouldn't you be defacing a spanish beach with a union jack towel?

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> dgs wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>> > dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>bottom line; english beers are LESS alcoholic per unit volume than
>> >>american beers. period.
>> >
>> >
>> > Absurd nonsense.
>>
>> Only to someone clueless about beer and alcohol content. English
beers
>> are often around 4.0% alcohol by volume, which is equivalent to 3.2%
>> alcohol by weight. Many English beers have even less alcohol
content;
>> it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even
lower.
>
> And plenty go higher.
>
>
>> Mass-produced lagers brewed in England aren't terribly high in
alcohol,
>
> 5 - 5.2% for popular lagers like Stella and Holsten (both brewed
here).
>
>
>> with the exception of junk like "Kestrel Super Strength" and
"Carlsberg
>> Special Export" - high-alcohol high-adjunct liquid junk for people
who
>> might as well be drinking cheap wine or mixed drinks by the bucket.
>>
>> Typical American mass-produced beers range from 4.0% abv to 5.0% abv,
>> and there are numerous American-made beers considerably stronger than
>> this. The fabled "three two" beer sold in some parts of the USA is
>> 3.2% alcohol by WEIGHT - the same as 4.0% alcohol by volume.
>>
>> Get your facts straight before your tedious pronouncement of "absurd
>> nonsense."
>
> I suggest you read this. These London brewed beers are available in
the
> USA.
>
> http://www.thenibble.com/reviews/main/beer/fullers-beer.asp
>
> 6.3% abv
> 5.9% abv
> 4.7% abv
> 5.4% abv
>

Fukkin 'ell mayt! We can get ****ed and beat up sum poles, eh?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

terry > wrote in
:

> On Mar 12, 2:01*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Dan > wrote
>> innews:c0b81167-79ba-4aaf-b759-846832052424@
> n36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 10, 10:47 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>> >> > If Joe tries first to speak spanish (or german, or french, or...
>> >> > etc) even if he fails
>> >> > misserably, that will be seen as an ice breaker and he'll be
>> >> > able to continue
>> >> > in english if needed. Most europeans speak decent english in
>> >> > turist cities, and
>> >> > a lot even in more remote places.
>>
>> > When I travel abroad and my size and demeanor label me as an
>> > American (that's tall, not wide).
>>
>> > As soon as I begin speaking French, the barriers dissolve and the
>> > welcomes begin.
>>
>> > It's sad, in a way, but understandable. I've silently witnessed the
>> > "Tourists" coming in and acting like asses.
>>
>> > I think if we stop all tourism departing from NY we'll solve 75% of
>> > the problem.
>>
>> Nah, americans are as amateurs compared to the Brits. They are, hands
>> donw, far and away, the worst tourists who ever lived. Americans ma
>> be a bit clueless, but they're actually ( and I'm generalising here)
>> abit more in awe of local culture even if they don;t like it. The
>> brits will throw a union jack over whatever it is they find, rename
>> it and start serving fish and chips. They're currently on a "****
>> over france" binge. Their med resorts are simply appaling. I wandered
>> into one in Corfu a few years ago and it had to be seen to be
>> believed. The Greeks wisely tiled every public place in the town
>> (Kavos) so they could hose them down after they were finished.
>>
> Nah Aussies are far worse than Brits. We, I mean they, have little
> respect for culture full stop.

Yeah, but they don't pretend that they do and they don't imagine that
they're superior.


> We, I mean they , go to peaceful places like Bali and behave like
> absolute *******, getting ****ed out of their
> brains at every opportunity. We, I mean they, like going to Britain
> just to hang **** on "the poms" and rub it in
> their faces that they cant play cricket or rugby

ANd this is suposed t be a bad thing?

( substitute any
> activity that takes brawn over brain). We, I mean they
> make lame jokes to mock every culture that ever lived on the planet.
> We , I mean they , have created or populiarised, a derogatory term for
> just about every country , except the ones we, I mean they, havent
> heard of. Theres the Septic Tanks ( yanks ) Wogs, Nips ,Towell heads,
> frogs, lesbos, boongs.


Yeah, well, I have seen that aspect of them and that's not one of their
more attractive qualities. I reckon they got that from their forefathers
( the brits)


Bertie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> dgs wrote:
>
>> Many English beers have even less alcohol content;
>> it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even
>> lower.
>
> Try finding anywhere selling mild other than at beer 'exhibitions'. I
> have never known ANYONE to drink it.

Yeh, lager for you eh mayt? Then go bust a few pakki heads?


Facist fjukkwit.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote in news:8111f1d57e77e@uwe:

> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>> >>> Is that a real pint or a short pint
>>
>>argue your point, then, instead of following the standard brit way of
>>digging a hole in the sand and sticking your head in it, all the while
>>crying "im invisible! no one can see me!".
>>
> It is official. We have reached complete degeneration of this thread.
> tho' it really didn't have much to offer in the first place.
>
/



happy now Graham? you lowlife

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Dylan Smith > wrote in
:
>
> Beer lovers who rant about $OTHER_COUNTRY's beer probably simply haven't
> actually been there.


Quite true. Even within the US there's a grass is greener mentality that
views the beer from a couple of states over as some sort of nectar of the
gods while the locals wouldn't wash their cars with it.


bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Dylan Smith > wrote in
:

> On 2008-03-13, dave hillstrom > wrote:
>> which is ANOTHER thing the brits are HEINOUSLY behind us US folks in.
>>
>> go on, go to england and just TRY to find a fricken Barqs. go on.
>
> Just go to the chemist (drug store) and pick up cough medicine. It
> tastes just the same!
>

I agree. The heavy ones are crap. Those trappist things in Belgium are
thick,sweet and way too heavy. I did buy a can of "Pink Elephant" (12.5%)
just for the cool can, though.

Bertie

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dylan Smith > wrote in
> :
>> Beer lovers who rant about $OTHER_COUNTRY's beer probably simply haven't
>> actually been there.
>
>
> Quite true. Even within the US there's a grass is greener mentality that
> views the beer from a couple of states over as some sort of nectar of the
> gods while the locals wouldn't wash their cars with it.
>
>
> bertie
>

Yes I remember when Coors wasn't available right of Texarkana and we in
Arkansas thought it was the nectar of the gods.

As a side note when Arkansas did get Coors it was still unpasteurized
(or what ever process they now use to let it be shipped warm) and was
shipped refrigerated. I first saw it in a Safeway here on a big display
sitting in front of the west facing window. Word is the entire display
went bad pretty quick.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Gig 601XL Builder > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dylan Smith > wrote in
>> :
>>> Beer lovers who rant about $OTHER_COUNTRY's beer probably simply
>>> haven't actually been there.
>>
>>
>> Quite true. Even within the US there's a grass is greener mentality
>> that views the beer from a couple of states over as some sort of
>> nectar of the gods while the locals wouldn't wash their cars with it.
>>
>>
>> bertie
>>
>
> Yes I remember when Coors wasn't available right of Texarkana and we
> in Arkansas thought it was the nectar of the gods.
>
> As a side note when Arkansas did get Coors it was still unpasteurized
> (or what ever process they now use to let it be shipped warm) and was
> shipped refrigerated. I first saw it in a Safeway here on a big
> display sitting in front of the west facing window. Word is the entire
> display went bad pretty quick.
>
>

Hmm. Didn't know that was one of the reasons they didn't sell coors in the
east. I brought back a huge shipment in the back of a twin beech when I did
a trip to Oklahoma once. My boss paid for it all. It was enough to just
about fill the taxi that took me to the airport.


Bertie

[dgs[_3_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Aratzio > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>How about belgian doppel & tripel ales?
>>
>
> Eww! they taste like molasses.

No they don't, fjukkwitt

[Eeyore[_2_]]

Dylan Smith wrote:

> Eeyore > wrote:
> >> Many English beers have even less alcohol content;
> >> it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even lower.
> >
> > Try finding anywhere selling mild other than at beer 'exhibitions'. I have
> > never known ANYONE to drink it.
>
> A number of the pubs here have Bushy's Mild (about 3.5% abv), which is a
> very enjoyable drink. Especially if you're spending the night at the pub
> and don't want to get bladdered.

Exactly.


> There's a lot more to the enjoyment of beer than alcohol content.

That's very true. Another tactic is to alternate alcoholic and non-alcoholic
drinks.

Graham

[dave hillstrom]

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:38:52 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> wrote:

>On 2008-03-13, dave hillstrom > wrote:
>> which is ANOTHER thing the brits are HEINOUSLY behind us US folks in.
>>
>> go on, go to england and just TRY to find a fricken Barqs. go on.
>
>Just go to the chemist (drug store) and pick up cough medicine. It
>tastes just the same!

cough medicine and NO barqs. thats just wrong.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

[mariposas rand mair fheal]

In article >,
dave hillstrom > wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:38:52 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2008-03-13, dave hillstrom > wrote:
> >> which is ANOTHER thing the brits are HEINOUSLY behind us US folks in.
> >>
> >> go on, go to england and just TRY to find a fricken Barqs. go on.
> >
> >Just go to the chemist (drug store) and pick up cough medicine. It
> >tastes just the same!
>
> cough medicine and NO barqs. thats just wrong.

england go figure

arf meow arf - i dont like squishy
i think i hit a wookie on the expressway
nobody could do that much decoupage
without calling on the powers of darkness

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> Dylan Smith wrote:
>
>> Eeyore > wrote:
>> >> Many English beers have even less alcohol content;
>> >> it's not uncommon to see ales at 3.8% abv, and mild ales go even
>> >> lower.
>> >
>> > Try finding anywhere selling mild other than at beer 'exhibitions'.
>> > I have never known ANYONE to drink it.
>>
>> A number of the pubs here have Bushy's Mild (about 3.5% abv), which
>> is a very enjoyable drink. Especially if you're spending the night at
>> the pub and don't want to get bladdered.
>
> Exactly.
>

Netkkkopping fjukktard.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> Netkkkopping fjukktard.
>
> The record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the recor
> ....
>
>

Netkkkoping fjukkwit.

Bertie

[Eeyore[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> Netkkkopping fjukktard.

The record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the recor ....

[Eeyore[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> Eeyore wrote
> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >
> >> Netkkkopping fjukktard.
> >
> > The record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the recor
> > ....
> >
> >
>
> Netkkkoping fjukkwit.

Got a lot of time on your hands have you ?

I suppose it was you who posted that message imposting me from aioe.org
wasn't it you worthless piece of stinking detritus.

Graham

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote
>> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> >
>> >> Netkkkopping fjukktard.
>> >
>> > The record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the recor
>> > ....
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Netkkkoping fjukkwit.
>
> Got a lot of time on your hands have you ?

nature of the game, fjukkwit. You wouldn't know that since you don;'t fly,
of course.

>
> I suppose it was you who posted that message imposting me from aioe.org
> wasn't it you worthless piece of stinking detritus.


Nope, fjukktard.



Bertie