Rotor Emergencies

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
Any takers?
I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
(in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
how about yor stories?
Ol S&B

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

How about a recent? I had my ship down for a year for the annual because I
was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. I wasn't
really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine mounts
and a modification to the clutch. With more than a little trepidation, I
fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward like a bat
out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. I pressed down on
the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding sidways,
now dive for the ground. I quickly decided that if it wa headed to the
ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. I could do the
easy pressure only on the up side. Well this went on for a week, so it must
have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained control of the thing but
the collective seemed overly sensitive. I know that I was rusty but this
was beyond imagination. I managed to get it on the ground and pushed it
into the hangar and started looking closely at the controls. As I raised
the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went away. The grease in
the slider just above the swash plate had set there for a year so I put
fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls again. This time it felt
smoother. With a tight hold on everything, my Helmet tight I tried it again
being very slow and cautious on left off by just squeezing the collective
and really feeling my way off the ground. Voila! I had my helicopter back
and while I was a bit rusty, I could do clock turns about the point within a
few minutes.
I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is constipated,
only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be impossible.

"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
...
> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
> Any takers?
> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
> how about yor stories?
> Ol S&B

[nrg[_2_]]

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
.. .
> How about a recent? I had my ship down for a year for the annual because
> I was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. I wasn't
> really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine mounts
> and a modification to the clutch. With more than a little trepidation, I
> fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward like a bat
> out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. I pressed down
> on the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding
> sidways, now dive for the ground. I quickly decided that if it wa headed
> to the ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. I could
> do the easy pressure only on the up side. Well this went on for a week,
> so it must have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained control of
> the thing but the collective seemed overly sensitive. I know that I was
> rusty but this was beyond imagination. I managed to get it on the ground
> and pushed it into the hangar and started looking closely at the controls.
> As I raised the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went away.
> The grease in the slider just above the swash plate had set there for a
> year so I put fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls again.
> This time it felt smoother. With a tight hold on everything, my Helmet
> tight I tried it again being very slow and cautious on left off by just
> squeezing the collective and really feeling my way off the ground. Voila!
> I had my helicopter back and while I was a bit rusty, I could do clock
> turns about the point within a few minutes.
> I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is constipated,
> only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be impossible.
>
> "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
>> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
>> Any takers?
>> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
>> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
>> how about yor stories?
>> Ol S&B
>
>


Nope.... 650+ hours on Bell 206B and never had anything serious for now
(except ENG CHIP, thank God!)
Well as far as we're going about reviving the group here's a question -
The torque limitation on the 206 from 85%-100% is set to 5 minutes. Is this
the total time you're allowed to be in the limit or is it OK if you juast
lower the power in the green and then you're set to go another 5 min.? The
guys at textron haven't been too precise in the manual :)

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Feb 29, 1:18*pm, "nrg" > wrote:
> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in messagenews:kKGdnX49Prlcy1XanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > How about a recent? *I had my ship down for a year for the annual because
> > I was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. *I wasn't
> > really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine mounts
> > and a modification to the clutch. *With more than a little trepidation, I
> > fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward like a bat
> > out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. *I pressed down
> > on the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding
> > sidways, now dive for the ground. *I quickly decided that if it wa headed
> > to the ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. *I could
> > do the easy pressure only on the up side. *Well this went on for a week,
> > so it must have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained control of
> > the thing but the collective seemed overly sensitive. * I know that I was
> > rusty but this was beyond imagination. * I managed to get it on the ground
> > and pushed it into the hangar and started looking closely at the controls.
> > As I raised the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went away.
> > The grease in the slider just above the swash plate had set there for a
> > year so I put fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls again.
> > This time it felt smoother. *With a tight hold on everything, my Helmet
> > tight I tried it again being very slow and cautious on left off by just
> > squeezing the collective and really feeling my way off the ground. *Voila!
> > I had my helicopter back and while I was a bit rusty, I could do clock
> > turns about the point within a few minutes.
> > I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is constipated,
> > only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be impossible.
>
> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
> >> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
> >> Any takers?
> >> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
> >> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
> >> how about yor stories?
> >> Ol S&B
>
> Nope.... 650+ hours on Bell 206B and never had anything serious for now
> (except ENG CHIP, thank God!)
> Well as far as we're going about reviving the group here's a question -
> The torque limitation on the 206 from 85%-100% is set to 5 minutes. Is this
> the total time you're allowed to be in the limit or is it OK if you juast
> lower the power in the green and then you're set to go another 5 min.? The
> guys at textron haven't been too precise in the manual :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm not sure about your question. If its in the green? What is the
problem? If you have a torque limit of :05, where is it indicated?
Yellow/Green? If you do not exceed the indicated limits of either
torque or temp more than the manual tells you, what is the problem?
If the aircraft has been flown outside of the limits and you are the
next one to fly it, you don't know if its been abused or flown outside
of limits. That can be scary.
Has been my experience if you fly in the green arc you are good to go
for as long as you have fuel......
Of course that is excepting really stupid ****.......

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 29, 1:18 pm, "nrg" > wrote:
> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in
> messagenews:kKGdnX49Prlcy1XanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > How about a recent? I had my ship down for a year for the annual because
> > I was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. I wasn't
> > really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine
> > mounts
> > and a modification to the clutch. With more than a little trepidation, I
> > fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward like a
> > bat
> > out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. I pressed down
> > on the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding
> > sidways, now dive for the ground. I quickly decided that if it wa headed
> > to the ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. I could
> > do the easy pressure only on the up side. Well this went on for a week,
> > so it must have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained control of
> > the thing but the collective seemed overly sensitive. I know that I was
> > rusty but this was beyond imagination. I managed to get it on the ground
> > and pushed it into the hangar and started looking closely at the
> > controls.
> > As I raised the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went away.
> > The grease in the slider just above the swash plate had set there for a
> > year so I put fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls again.
> > This time it felt smoother. With a tight hold on everything, my Helmet
> > tight I tried it again being very slow and cautious on left off by just
> > squeezing the collective and really feeling my way off the ground.
> > Voila!
> > I had my helicopter back and while I was a bit rusty, I could do clock
> > turns about the point within a few minutes.
> > I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is
> > constipated,
> > only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be impossible.
>
> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
> >> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
> >> Any takers?
> >> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
> >> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
> >> how about yor stories?
> >> Ol S&B
>
> Nope.... 650+ hours on Bell 206B and never had anything serious for now
> (except ENG CHIP, thank God!)
> Well as far as we're going about reviving the group here's a question -
> The torque limitation on the 206 from 85%-100% is set to 5 minutes. Is
> this
> the total time you're allowed to be in the limit or is it OK if you juast
> lower the power in the green and then you're set to go another 5 min.? The
> guys at textron haven't been too precise in the manual :)- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm not sure about your question. If its in the green? What is the
problem? If you have a torque limit of :05, where is it indicated?
Yellow/Green? If you do not exceed the indicated limits of either
torque or temp more than the manual tells you, what is the problem?
If the aircraft has been flown outside of the limits and you are the
next one to fly it, you don't know if its been abused or flown outside
of limits. That can be scary.
Has been my experience if you fly in the green arc you are good to go
for as long as you have fuel......
Of course that is excepting really stupid ****.......


I'm curious about the time limit at a torque level. Assuming you haven't
exceeded the elastic limits of the rotorshaft and gears, I don't see where a
time limit makes sense. Unless a combination of rotor caused vibration and
torque loading can affect the fatigue life of the elements. Also if a
rising temperature would be caused thats another story.

BTW to Ol Shy & Bashful, did I ever tell you the story of my helicopter and
I and the field full of buffalos during mating season?

Stu Fields

[nrg[_2_]]

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Feb 29, 1:18 pm, "nrg" > wrote:
>> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in
>> messagenews:kKGdnX49Prlcy1XanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > How about a recent? I had my ship down for a year for the annual
>> > because
>> > I was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. I wasn't
>> > really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine
>> > mounts
>> > and a modification to the clutch. With more than a little trepidation,
>> > I
>> > fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward like a
>> > bat
>> > out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. I pressed down
>> > on the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding
>> > sidways, now dive for the ground. I quickly decided that if it wa
>> > headed
>> > to the ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. I
>> > could
>> > do the easy pressure only on the up side. Well this went on for a week,
>> > so it must have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained control of
>> > the thing but the collective seemed overly sensitive. I know that I was
>> > rusty but this was beyond imagination. I managed to get it on the
>> > ground
>> > and pushed it into the hangar and started looking closely at the
>> > controls.
>> > As I raised the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went
>> > away.
>> > The grease in the slider just above the swash plate had set there for a
>> > year so I put fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls again.
>> > This time it felt smoother. With a tight hold on everything, my Helmet
>> > tight I tried it again being very slow and cautious on left off by just
>> > squeezing the collective and really feeling my way off the ground.
>> > Voila!
>> > I had my helicopter back and while I was a bit rusty, I could do clock
>> > turns about the point within a few minutes.
>> > I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is
>> > constipated,
>> > only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be impossible.
>>
>> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
>> >> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
>> >> Any takers?
>> >> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
>> >> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
>> >> how about yor stories?
>> >> Ol S&B
>>
>> Nope.... 650+ hours on Bell 206B and never had anything serious for now
>> (except ENG CHIP, thank God!)
>> Well as far as we're going about reviving the group here's a question -
>> The torque limitation on the 206 from 85%-100% is set to 5 minutes. Is
>> this
>> the total time you're allowed to be in the limit or is it OK if you juast
>> lower the power in the green and then you're set to go another 5 min.?
>> The
>> guys at textron haven't been too precise in the manual :)- Hide quoted
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm not sure about your question. If its in the green? What is the
> problem? If you have a torque limit of :05, where is it indicated?
> Yellow/Green? If you do not exceed the indicated limits of either
> torque or temp more than the manual tells you, what is the problem?
> If the aircraft has been flown outside of the limits and you are the
> next one to fly it, you don't know if its been abused or flown outside
> of limits. That can be scary.
> Has been my experience if you fly in the green arc you are good to go
> for as long as you have fuel......
> Of course that is excepting really stupid ****.......
>
>
> I'm curious about the time limit at a torque level. Assuming you haven't
> exceeded the elastic limits of the rotorshaft and gears, I don't see where
> a time limit makes sense. Unless a combination of rotor caused vibration
> and torque loading can affect the fatigue life of the elements. Also if a
> rising temperature would be caused thats another story.
>
> BTW to Ol Shy & Bashful, did I ever tell you the story of my helicopter
> and I and the field full of buffalos during mating season?
>
> Stu Fields
>
>
Not shure I explained it right.
The torquemeter has a green arc (no limit) from 0-85%, and a yellow arc from
85-100% where the time limit for this power setting is 5 min. So I think
it's OK to say that this is allowed in the manual.
My question was what happens when you use up the 5 minutes. Do you go back
below 85% and then you can use the yellow area again or do you have to use a
longer cool down period.. Hope this makes my question clearer.

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Mar 2, 5:19*am, "nrg" > wrote:
> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in messagenews:Xo2dnRNBAvtpFVXanZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Feb 29, 1:18 pm, "nrg" > wrote:
> >> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in
> >> messagenews:kKGdnX49Prlcy1XanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
> >> > How about a recent? I had my ship down for a year for the annual
> >> > because
> >> > I was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. I wasn't
> >> > really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine
> >> > mounts
> >> > and a modification to the clutch. With more than a little trepidation,
> >> > I
> >> > fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward like a
> >> > bat
> >> > out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. I pressed down
> >> > on the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding
> >> > sidways, now dive for the ground. I quickly decided that if it wa
> >> > headed
> >> > to the ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. I
> >> > could
> >> > do the easy pressure only on the up side. Well this went on for a week,
> >> > so it must have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained control of
> >> > the thing but the collective seemed overly sensitive. I know that I was
> >> > rusty but this was beyond imagination. I managed to get it on the
> >> > ground
> >> > and pushed it into the hangar and started looking closely at the
> >> > controls.
> >> > As I raised the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went
> >> > away.
> >> > The grease in the slider just above the swash plate had set there for a
> >> > year so I put fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls again..
> >> > This time it felt smoother. With a tight hold on everything, my Helmet
> >> > tight I tried it again being very slow and cautious on left off by just
> >> > squeezing the collective and really feeling my way off the ground.
> >> > Voila!
> >> > I had my helicopter back and while I was a bit rusty, I could do clock
> >> > turns about the point within a few minutes.
> >> > I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is
> >> > constipated,
> >> > only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be impossible..
>
> >> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> >> ....
> >> >> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
> >> >> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
> >> >> Any takers?
> >> >> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
> >> >> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
> >> >> how about yor stories?
> >> >> Ol S&B
>
> >> Nope.... 650+ hours on Bell 206B and never had anything serious for now
> >> (except ENG CHIP, thank God!)
> >> Well as far as we're going about reviving the group here's a question -
> >> The torque limitation on the 206 from 85%-100% is set to 5 minutes. Is
> >> this
> >> the total time you're allowed to be in the limit or is it OK if you juast
> >> lower the power in the green and then you're set to go another 5 min.?
> >> The
> >> guys at textron haven't been too precise in the manual :)- Hide quoted
> >> text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I'm not sure about your question. If its in the green? What is the
> > problem? If you have a torque limit of :05, where is it indicated?
> > Yellow/Green? If you do not exceed the indicated limits of either
> > torque or temp more than the manual tells you, what is the problem?
> > If the aircraft has been flown outside of the limits and you are the
> > next one to fly it, you don't know if its been abused or flown outside
> > of limits. That can be scary.
> > Has been my experience if you fly in the green arc you are good to go
> > for as long as you have fuel......
> > Of course that is excepting really stupid ****.......
>
> > I'm curious about the time limit at a torque level. *Assuming you haven't
> > exceeded the elastic limits of the rotorshaft and gears, I don't see where
> > a time limit makes sense. *Unless a combination of rotor caused vibration
> > and torque loading can affect the fatigue life of the elements. *Also if a
> > rising temperature would be caused thats another story.
>
> > BTW to Ol Shy & Bashful, did I ever tell you the story of my helicopter
> > and I and the field full of buffalos during mating season?
>
> > Stu Fields
>
> Not shure I explained it right.
> The torquemeter has a green arc (no limit) from 0-85%, and a yellow arc from
> 85-100% where the time limit for this power setting is 5 min. So I think
> it's OK to say that this is allowed in the manual.
> My question was what happens when you use up the 5 minutes. Do you go back
> below 85% and then you can use the yellow area again or do you have to use a
> longer cool down period.. Hope this makes my question clearer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK
I think I understand...are you asking if its accumulative? For torque
I can't imagine a "cool down" time so your question is valid. I
suppose its a matter of how long do you torque out before you let off?
And to what extent. I don't recall seeing a time limit on torque
anyway - just for temps. There is a limit on max torque before a
mandatory teardown just as on temp and hot sections.
What is the situation you are facing? Maybe that will make it all more
clear?
Best Regards
Rocky

[JohnO]

On Mar 3, 2:41*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
> On Mar 2, 5:19*am, "nrg" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in messagenews:Xo2dnRNBAvtpFVXanZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
> > > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> > ....
> > > On Feb 29, 1:18 pm, "nrg" > wrote:
> > >> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in
> > >> messagenews:kKGdnX49Prlcy1XanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
> > >> > How about a recent? I had my ship down for a year for the annual
> > >> > because
> > >> > I was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. I wasn't
> > >> > really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine
> > >> > mounts
> > >> > and a modification to the clutch. With more than a little trepidation,
> > >> > I
> > >> > fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward like a
> > >> > bat
> > >> > out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. I pressed down
> > >> > on the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding
> > >> > sidways, now dive for the ground. I quickly decided that if it wa
> > >> > headed
> > >> > to the ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. I
> > >> > could
> > >> > do the easy pressure only on the up side. Well this went on for a week,
> > >> > so it must have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained control of
> > >> > the thing but the collective seemed overly sensitive. I know that I was
> > >> > rusty but this was beyond imagination. I managed to get it on the
> > >> > ground
> > >> > and pushed it into the hangar and started looking closely at the
> > >> > controls.
> > >> > As I raised the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went
> > >> > away.
> > >> > The grease in the slider just above the swash plate had set there for a
> > >> > year so I put fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls again.
> > >> > This time it felt smoother. With a tight hold on everything, my Helmet
> > >> > tight I tried it again being very slow and cautious on left off by just
> > >> > squeezing the collective and really feeling my way off the ground.
> > >> > Voila!
> > >> > I had my helicopter back and while I was a bit rusty, I could do clock
> > >> > turns about the point within a few minutes.
> > >> > I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is
> > >> > constipated,
> > >> > only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be impossible.
>
> > >> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> >> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
> > >> >> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
> > >> >> Any takers?
> > >> >> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters worldwide
> > >> >> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
> > >> >> how about yor stories?
> > >> >> Ol S&B
>
> > >> Nope.... 650+ hours on Bell 206B and never had anything serious for now
> > >> (except ENG CHIP, thank God!)
> > >> Well as far as we're going about reviving the group here's a question -
> > >> The torque limitation on the 206 from 85%-100% is set to 5 minutes. Is
> > >> this
> > >> the total time you're allowed to be in the limit or is it OK if you juast
> > >> lower the power in the green and then you're set to go another 5 min.?
> > >> The
> > >> guys at textron haven't been too precise in the manual :)- Hide quoted
> > >> text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I'm not sure about your question. If its in the green? What is the
> > > problem? If you have a torque limit of :05, where is it indicated?
> > > Yellow/Green? If you do not exceed the indicated limits of either
> > > torque or temp more than the manual tells you, what is the problem?
> > > If the aircraft has been flown outside of the limits and you are the
> > > next one to fly it, you don't know if its been abused or flown outside
> > > of limits. That can be scary.
> > > Has been my experience if you fly in the green arc you are good to go
> > > for as long as you have fuel......
> > > Of course that is excepting really stupid ****.......
>
> > > I'm curious about the time limit at a torque level. *Assuming you haven't
> > > exceeded the elastic limits of the rotorshaft and gears, I don't see where
> > > a time limit makes sense. *Unless a combination of rotor caused vibration
> > > and torque loading can affect the fatigue life of the elements. *Also if a
> > > rising temperature would be caused thats another story.
>
> > > BTW to Ol Shy & Bashful, did I ever tell you the story of my helicopter
> > > and I and the field full of buffalos during mating season?
>
> > > Stu Fields
>
> > Not shure I explained it right.
> > The torquemeter has a green arc (no limit) from 0-85%, and a yellow arc from
> > 85-100% where the time limit for this power setting is 5 min. So I think
> > it's OK to say that this is allowed in the manual.
> > My question was what happens when you use up the 5 minutes. Do you go back
> > below 85% and then you can use the yellow area again or do you have to use a
> > longer cool down period.. Hope this makes my question clearer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OK
> I think I understand...are you asking if its accumulative? For torque
> I can't imagine a "cool down" time so your question is valid. I
> suppose its a matter of how long do you torque out before you let off?
> And to what extent. I don't recall seeing a time limit on torque
> anyway - just for temps. There is a limit on max torque before a
> mandatory teardown just as on temp and hot sections.
> What is the situation you are facing? Maybe that will make it all more
> clear?
> Best Regards
> Rocky- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey, will you guys keep it down? All this talk about helicopters is
keeping me awake!

:-)

PS: Did the Belfort troll go on vacation or did somebody finally take
him out?

[nrg[_2_]]

"JohnO" > wrote in message
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On Mar 3, 2:41 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
> On Mar 2, 5:19 am, "nrg" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in
> > messagenews:Xo2dnRNBAvtpFVXanZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
> > > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Feb 29, 1:18 pm, "nrg" > wrote:
> > >> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in
> > >> messagenews:kKGdnX49Prlcy1XanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@iwvis p.com...
>
> > >> > How about a recent? I had my ship down for a year for the annual
> > >> > because
> > >> > I was interrupted by a building extension to the hangar/house. I
> > >> > wasn't
> > >> > really current and had gone completely thru the rigging, new engine
> > >> > mounts
> > >> > and a modification to the clutch. With more than a little
> > >> > trepidation,
> > >> > I
> > >> > fired it up and lifted off only to have the thing shoot skyward
> > >> > like a
> > >> > bat
> > >> > out of hell turning and going sideways at the same time. I pressed
> > >> > down
> > >> > on the collective only to have the thing, still turning and sliding
> > >> > sidways, now dive for the ground. I quickly decided that if it wa
> > >> > headed
> > >> > to the ground that quick a jerk on the collective was warranted. I
> > >> > could
> > >> > do the easy pressure only on the up side. Well this went on for a
> > >> > week,
> > >> > so it must have been a couple of minutes and I slowly gained
> > >> > control of
> > >> > the thing but the collective seemed overly sensitive. I know that I
> > >> > was
> > >> > rusty but this was beyond imagination. I managed to get it on the
> > >> > ground
> > >> > and pushed it into the hangar and started looking closely at the
> > >> > controls.
> > >> > As I raised the collective I felt a little drag that suddenly went
> > >> > away.
> > >> > The grease in the slider just above the swash plate had set there
> > >> > for a
> > >> > year so I put fresh grease in the slider and tried the controls
> > >> > again.
> > >> > This time it felt smoother. With a tight hold on everything, my
> > >> > Helmet
> > >> > tight I tried it again being very slow and cautious on left off by
> > >> > just
> > >> > squeezing the collective and really feeling my way off the ground.
> > >> > Voila!
> > >> > I had my helicopter back and while I was a bit rusty, I could do
> > >> > clock
> > >> > turns about the point within a few minutes.
> > >> > I can unequivocally state that if a helicopter test pilot is
> > >> > constipated,
> > >> > only oral laxatives should be prescribed as enemas will be
> > >> > impossible.
>
> > >> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> >> Ever had an actual one? This board is so freakin dead and boring I
> > >> >> left months ago. This is another attempt to revive it.
> > >> >> Any takers?
> > >> >> I've had several actual in flight emergencies in helicopters
> > >> >> worldwide
> > >> >> (in addition to the phyxed wing side) and survived them all.
> > >> >> how about yor stories?
> > >> >> Ol S&B
>
> > >> Nope.... 650+ hours on Bell 206B and never had anything serious for
> > >> now
> > >> (except ENG CHIP, thank God!)
> > >> Well as far as we're going about reviving the group here's a
> > >> question -
> > >> The torque limitation on the 206 from 85%-100% is set to 5 minutes.
> > >> Is
> > >> this
> > >> the total time you're allowed to be in the limit or is it OK if you
> > >> juast
> > >> lower the power in the green and then you're set to go another 5
> > >> min.?
> > >> The
> > >> guys at textron haven't been too precise in the manual :)- Hide
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> > > I'm not sure about your question. If its in the green? What is the
> > > problem? If you have a torque limit of :05, where is it indicated?
> > > Yellow/Green? If you do not exceed the indicated limits of either
> > > torque or temp more than the manual tells you, what is the problem?
> > > If the aircraft has been flown outside of the limits and you are the
> > > next one to fly it, you don't know if its been abused or flown outside
> > > of limits. That can be scary.
> > > Has been my experience if you fly in the green arc you are good to go
> > > for as long as you have fuel......
> > > Of course that is excepting really stupid ****.......
>
> > > I'm curious about the time limit at a torque level. Assuming you
> > > haven't
> > > exceeded the elastic limits of the rotorshaft and gears, I don't see
> > > where
> > > a time limit makes sense. Unless a combination of rotor caused
> > > vibration
> > > and torque loading can affect the fatigue life of the elements. Also
> > > if a
> > > rising temperature would be caused thats another story.
>
> > > BTW to Ol Shy & Bashful, did I ever tell you the story of my
> > > helicopter
> > > and I and the field full of buffalos during mating season?
>
> > > Stu Fields
>
> > Not shure I explained it right.
> > The torquemeter has a green arc (no limit) from 0-85%, and a yellow arc
> > from
> > 85-100% where the time limit for this power setting is 5 min. So I think
> > it's OK to say that this is allowed in the manual.
> > My question was what happens when you use up the 5 minutes. Do you go
> > back
> > below 85% and then you can use the yellow area again or do you have to
> > use a
> > longer cool down period.. Hope this makes my question clearer.- Hide
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OK
> I think I understand...are you asking if its accumulative? For torque
> I can't imagine a "cool down" time so your question is valid. I
> suppose its a matter of how long do you torque out before you let off?
> And to what extent. I don't recall seeing a time limit on torque
> anyway - just for temps. There is a limit on max torque before a
> mandatory teardown just as on temp and hot sections.
> What is the situation you are facing? Maybe that will make it all more
> clear?
> Best Regards
> Rocky- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey, will you guys keep it down? All this talk about helicopters is
keeping me awake!

:-)

PS: Did the Belfort troll go on vacation or did somebody finally take
him out?

Yeah, I finally got the question right and you uderstood it correctly. To be
honest I have never gotten close to the 5 minute limit so the question is
academical. But I think it is always necessary to ask the "What if"
question. The closest I've been to it is formation flying and pinnacle
approaches, more correctly hovering at high altitudes.