Tost E-85 on Tow Plane

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Hello,

We are installing a Tost E-85 tow hitch on a Super Cub. We wrote up a
nice 337 for the Feds. They approved of the bracket we fabricated.

However, they are refusing to sign off on the E-85 hook. Think we've
run into the same Feds who tried to ground Bob Hoover. Anyway, they
are saying the hook is unapproved since it was foreign built. They
are saying its an uncertified part. However, we've sent them a copy
of the Tost manufacturing certificate, the German LBA approval, their
own reciprocity agreement with the LBA, and a copy of the EASA
bilateral agreements regarding STC and parts. No luck. Now they are
demanding a Form 8130 from another tow hook installation in which an
E-85 was used. Either that, or put the Cub in the
Experimental category, which is a non starter. The installation as it
stands is one of the best I've seen on any tow plane in 40 years.
Unfortunately, there is not a soul in the FSDO that has any experience
on either end of the rope, and they are trying to make up rules as
they go.....

E-85's are used on most certified gliders, and on most Tost equipped
tow planes. What we need is a copy of someone's E-85 installation
regarding the legality of the install, a form 8130 or 337 showing
previous usage.... Help!

Steve
Std Cirrus K9

[Fish]

Foriegn made??? Ask them where the Garden of Eden was...........good
God fearing men like the Feds may not have stopped to consider their
own origins!


On Mar 1, 12:02 pm, wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are installing a Tost E-85 tow hitch on a Super Cub. We wrote up a
> nice 337 for the Feds. They approved of the bracket we fabricated.
>
> However, they are refusing to sign off on the E-85 hook. Think we've
> run into the same Feds who tried to ground Bob Hoover. Anyway, they
> are saying the hook is unapproved since it was foreign built. They
> are saying its an uncertified part. However, we've sent them a copy
> of the Tost manufacturing certificate, the German LBA approval, their
> own reciprocity agreement with the LBA, and a copy of the EASA
> bilateral agreements regarding STC and parts. No luck. Now they are
> demanding a Form 8130 from another tow hook installation in which an
> E-85 was used. Either that, or put the Cub in the
> Experimental category, which is a non starter. The installation as it
> stands is one of the best I've seen on any tow plane in 40 years.
> Unfortunately, there is not a soul in the FSDO that has any experience
> on either end of the rope, and they are trying to make up rules as
> they go.....
>
> E-85's are used on most certified gliders, and on most Tost equipped
> tow planes. What we need is a copy of someone's E-85 installation
> regarding the legality of the install, a form 8130 or 337 showing
> previous usage.... Help!
>
> Steve
> Std Cirrus K9

[HL Falbaum]

The Tost winch setup includes a E-85 or similar hook
Perhaps they have paperwork--
Tim Mara sells them.

--
Hartley Falbaum
> wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> We are installing a Tost E-85 tow hitch on a Super Cub. We wrote up a
> nice 337 for the Feds. They approved of the bracket we fabricated.
>
> However, they are refusing to sign off on the E-85 hook. Think we've
> run into the same Feds who tried to ground Bob Hoover. Anyway, they
> are saying the hook is unapproved since it was foreign built. They
> are saying its an uncertified part. However, we've sent them a copy
> of the Tost manufacturing certificate, the German LBA approval, their
> own reciprocity agreement with the LBA, and a copy of the EASA
> bilateral agreements regarding STC and parts. No luck. Now they are
> demanding a Form 8130 from another tow hook installation in which an
> E-85 was used. Either that, or put the Cub in the
> Experimental category, which is a non starter. The installation as it
> stands is one of the best I've seen on any tow plane in 40 years.
> Unfortunately, there is not a soul in the FSDO that has any experience
> on either end of the rope, and they are trying to make up rules as
> they go.....
>
> E-85's are used on most certified gliders, and on most Tost equipped
> tow planes. What we need is a copy of someone's E-85 installation
> regarding the legality of the install, a form 8130 or 337 showing
> previous usage.... Help!
>
> Steve
> Std Cirrus K9

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On Mar 1, 11:21*am, "HL Falbaum" > wrote:
> The Tost winch setup includes a E-85 or similar hook
> Perhaps they have paperwork--
> Tim Mara sells them.
>
> --
> Hartley > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > We are installing a Tost E-85 tow hitch on a Super Cub. *We wrote up a
> > nice 337 for the Feds. They approved of the bracket we fabricated.
>
> > However, they are refusing to sign off on the E-85 hook. *Think we've
> > run into the same Feds who tried to ground Bob Hoover. *Anyway, they
> > are saying the hook is unapproved since it was foreign built. *They
> > are saying its an uncertified part. *However, we've sent them a copy
> > of the Tost manufacturing certificate, the German LBA approval, their
> > own reciprocity agreement with the LBA, and a copy of the EASA
> > bilateral agreements regarding STC and parts. No luck. *Now they are
> > demanding a Form 8130 from another tow hook installation in which an
> > E-85 was used. *Either that, or put the Cub in the
> > Experimental category, which is a non starter. *The installation as it
> > stands is one of the best I've seen on any tow plane in 40 years.
> > Unfortunately, there is not a soul in the FSDO that has any experience
> > on either end of the rope, and they are trying to make up rules as
> > they go.....
>
> > E-85's are used on most certified gliders, and on most Tost equipped
> > tow planes. *What we need is a copy of someone's E-85 installation
> > regarding the legality of the install, a form 8130 or 337 showing
> > previous usage.... *Help!
>
> > Steve
> > Std Cirrus K9- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Shop around for a FSDO that has people who understand glider equipment
and transfer your work there. Beats banging your head against a wall.

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> Shop around for a FSDO that has people who understand glider equipment
> and transfer your work there. *Beats banging your head against a wall.

Unfortunately, the friendly feds now have a rule that forbids FSDO
shopping....
Even the FAA web site says there is full reciprocity between German
and
US on TCDS parts. It also mentions that and EASA Form 1 can be used
the
same as an 8130. These feds haven't heard of it and won't look it
up....
We did buy the system from Tim Mara, and he has been very helpful in
trying
to sort this out. So far, tho, no luck with the feds...

Steve
K9

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Check with Maule Aircraft. They offer a factory installed Tost kit
with an E-85 or similar release. The Civil Air Patrol ordered 15 or
so of them and they have functioned very well.

Good Lick--

Skip Guimond