FAA Mandates Plastic Pilot Certificates By March 31, 2010 Or You're Grounded

[Larry Dighera]

You've got two years to comply or lose your right to pilot an
aircraft:

http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2008/080228plastic.html
FAA mandates plastic pilot certificates
By AOPA ePublishing staff

Still hanging onto your paper pilot certificate? You’ll need to
upgrade to a plastic pilot certificate by March 31, 2010. The FAA
released its final rule on Feb. 28, announcing the required switch
to the certificate it deems is more counterfeit resistant. When
the FAA proposed this mandate in 2005, AOPA members overwhelmingly
supported the move to a more secure certificate.

If you are attached to your paper certificate and original
issuance date (the plastic certificate will have a new one), don’t
worry. You can keep your paper certificate for nostalgia; you just
can’t use it to fly. If you do miss the 2010 deadline, you won’t
have to take a checkride or any exams to get back in the air as
pilot in command. Simply request the plastic certificate.

Temporary, student, and flight instructor certificates are not
impacted by this rule. Those with nonpilot certificates, such as
ground instructors, flight engineers, and mechanics, will have
until March 31, 2013 to change to a plastic certificate.

Pilots can request the plastic certificate through the FAA’s Web
site. The cost is $2. However, if you change your pilot
certificate number from your Social Security number, the switch is
free.

Here's the link to request a plastic certificate:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/certificate_replacement/

Here's the new rule:
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20081800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-3827.pdf

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> You've got two years to comply or lose your right to pilot an
> aircraft:
>


Nope.

bertie

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Larry Dighera > wrote:

> http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2008/080228plastic.html
> FAA mandates plastic pilot certificates

our tax dollars at work.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Ron Lee[_2_]]

>Larry Dighera > wrote in
>
>> You've got two years to comply or lose your right to pilot an
>> aircraft:
>
>Nope.
>
>bertie
>
From the Federal register...first paragraph we see:

"Two years after this rule becomes effective, paper pilot certificates
may no longer be used to exercise piloting privileges."

Looks like Larry's comment is correct.

Ron Lee

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

(Ron Lee) wrote in news:47d74fcb.10700921
@news.pcisys.net:

>>Larry Dighera > wrote in
>>
>>> You've got two years to comply or lose your right to pilot an
>>> aircraft:
>>
>>Nope.
>>
>>bertie
>>
> From the Federal register...first paragraph we see:
>
> "Two years after this rule becomes effective, paper pilot certificates
> may no longer be used to exercise piloting privileges."
>
> Looks like Larry's comment is correct.


Nope. Only true if you;re reliant upon the FAA for your flying privelages.
( and it's not 'right to fly', either)



Bertie

[Ron Lee[_2_]]

>> "Two years after this rule becomes effective, paper pilot certificates
>> may no longer be used to exercise piloting privileges."
>>
>> Looks like Larry's comment is correct.
>
>
>Nope. Only true if you;re reliant upon the FAA for your flying privelages.
>( and it's not 'right to fly', either)
>
>>Bertie

Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds like
you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.

Ron Lee

[[email protected]]

Ron Lee > wrote:
> >> "Two years after this rule becomes effective, paper pilot certificates
> >> may no longer be used to exercise piloting privileges."
> >>
> >> Looks like Larry's comment is correct.
> >
> >
> >Nope. Only true if you;re reliant upon the FAA for your flying privelages.
> >( and it's not 'right to fly', either)
> >
> >>Bertie

> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds like
> you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.

Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
is issued by the FAA.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

(Ron Lee) wrote in
:

>>> "Two years after this rule becomes effective, paper pilot
>>> certificates may no longer be used to exercise piloting privileges."
>>>
>>> Looks like Larry's comment is correct.
>>
>>
>>Nope. Only true if you;re reliant upon the FAA for your flying
>>privelages. ( and it's not 'right to fly', either)
>>
>>>Bertie
>
> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds like
> you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.

nope, not equivocating.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

wrote in :

> Ron Lee > wrote:
>> >> "Two years after this rule becomes effective, paper pilot
>> >> certificates may no longer be used to exercise piloting
>> >> privileges."
>> >>
>> >> Looks like Larry's comment is correct.
>> >
>> >
>> >Nope. Only true if you;re reliant upon the FAA for your flying
>> >privelages. ( and it's not 'right to fly', either)
>> >
>> >>Bertie
>
>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds like
>> you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>
> Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
> is issued by the FAA.


Well, to be more precise, if it's the only one you're relying on.


Bertie
>
>

[Ron Lee[_2_]]

>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds like
>> you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>
>Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
>is issued by the FAA.

Ok, I see your point. You are right. So this American, who has a FAA
issued pilot certificate, could no longer legally fly in the USA at
some point if I did not get the new plastic certificate. I did not
look at the wording in a legal sense.

BTW, I did get a new plastic certificate a while back to get rid of
the SSN number. That may have cost zero but I may be wrong on that.

Plus they make the certificate numbers way too small.

Ron Lee

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

(Ron Lee) wrote in news:47d7ff63.6885109
@news.pcisys.net:

>>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds like
>>> you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>>
>>Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
>>is issued by the FAA.
>
> Ok, I see your point. You are right. So this American, who has a FAA
> issued pilot certificate, could no longer legally fly in the USA at
> some point if I did not get the new plastic certificate. I did not
> look at the wording in a legal sense.

Actually, he could, if he is using a foreign certificate. I have about five
of them in various states of repair and can use any one of them to fly in
the US.



Bertie

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:42:22 GMT, Larry Dighera >
wrote:

>You've got two years to comply or lose your right to pilot an
>aircraft:
>
> http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2008/080228plastic.html
> FAA mandates plastic pilot certificates
> By AOPA ePublishing staff
>
> Still hanging onto your paper pilot certificate? You’ll need to
> upgrade to a plastic pilot certificate by March 31, 2010. The FAA
> released its final rule on Feb. 28, announcing the required switch
> to the certificate it deems is more counterfeit resistant. When
> the FAA proposed this mandate in 2005, AOPA members overwhelmingly
> supported the move to a more secure certificate.
>

do you know what the real joke is with all this rubbish.

Australia once had a small credit card sized pilots licence ...well
the australian 'cretins against sane aviation' will only ever call
them a 'flight crew licence' ...anyway.
this was universally loved by pilots all over australia. it was neat.
in fact it is the only competent thing casa has ever done in the last
10 years.

against all input from pilots the cretins got rid of it and introduced
an ICAO compliant A5 sized book of paper pages in plastic wallets.
just so that australia wouldnt look out of place.

so you guys are getting a credit card sized pilots licence. bloody
good!
now we'll be able to ridicule the cretins into introducing our credit
card sized licence again.

gawd our people are stupid. I think the casa gene pool is long overdue
for chlorinating.

Stealth Pilot.

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

(Ron Lee) wrote in news:47d7ff63.6885109
:
>
>>>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds like
>>>> you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>>>
>>>Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
>>>is issued by the FAA.
>>
>> Ok, I see your point. You are right. So this American, who has a FAA
>> issued pilot certificate, could no longer legally fly in the USA at
>> some point if I did not get the new plastic certificate. I did not
>> look at the wording in a legal sense.
>
>Actually, he could, if he is using a foreign certificate. I have about five
>of them in various states of repair and can use any one of them to fly in
>the US.
>
>
>
>Bertie


lemme see.....
australian, mexican, columbian, venezualian, bolivian, brazilian.

even close ???

Stealth :-) Pilot

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stealth Pilot > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
(Ron Lee) wrote in news:47d7ff63.6885109
:
>>
>>>>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds
>>>>> like you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>>>>
>>>>Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
>>>>is issued by the FAA.
>>>
>>> Ok, I see your point. You are right. So this American, who has a
>>> FAA issued pilot certificate, could no longer legally fly in the USA
>>> at some point if I did not get the new plastic certificate. I did
>>> not look at the wording in a legal sense.
>>
>>Actually, he could, if he is using a foreign certificate. I have about
>>five of them in various states of repair and can use any one of them
>>to fly in the US.
>>
>>
>>
>>Bertie
>
>
> lemme see.....
> australian, mexican, columbian, venezualian, bolivian, brazilian.
>
> even close ???

Nope. Couple of African ones, couple of European ones. Most are expire
at the moment ( the US is the only place I know of where the licence
doesn't actually have an expiry date)

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stealth Pilot > wrote in
:


> so you guys are getting a credit card sized pilots licence. bloody
> good!


the US has always had a credit cad sized one, but it's been paper up til
now.

Bertie

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:36:17 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>Stealth Pilot > wrote in
:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>>
(Ron Lee) wrote in news:47d7ff63.6885109
:
>>>
>>>>>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds
>>>>>> like you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
>>>>>is issued by the FAA.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I see your point. You are right. So this American, who has a
>>>> FAA issued pilot certificate, could no longer legally fly in the USA
>>>> at some point if I did not get the new plastic certificate. I did
>>>> not look at the wording in a legal sense.
>>>
>>>Actually, he could, if he is using a foreign certificate. I have about
>>>five of them in various states of repair and can use any one of them
>>>to fly in the US.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bertie
>>
>>
>> lemme see.....
>> australian, mexican, columbian, venezualian, bolivian, brazilian.
>>
>> even close ???
>
>Nope. Couple of African ones, couple of European ones. Most are expire
>at the moment ( the US is the only place I know of where the licence
>doesn't actually have an expiry date)
>
>Bertie

australian licences are perpetual.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stealth Pilot > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:36:17 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>Stealth Pilot > wrote in
:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
(Ron Lee) wrote in news:47d7ff63.6885109
:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds
>>>>>>> like you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your
certificate
>>>>>>is issued by the FAA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I see your point. You are right. So this American, who has a
>>>>> FAA issued pilot certificate, could no longer legally fly in the
USA
>>>>> at some point if I did not get the new plastic certificate. I did
>>>>> not look at the wording in a legal sense.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, he could, if he is using a foreign certificate. I have
about
>>>>five of them in various states of repair and can use any one of them
>>>>to fly in the US.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>> lemme see.....
>>> australian, mexican, columbian, venezualian, bolivian, brazilian.
>>>
>>> even close ???
>>
>>Nope. Couple of African ones, couple of European ones. Most are expire
>>at the moment ( the US is the only place I know of where the licence
>>doesn't actually have an expiry date)
>>
>>Bertie
>
> australian licences are perpetual.
>

I gues they couldn't rely on the pilot populace leaving the pub long
enough to renew them!


Bertie

[akjcbkJA]

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:36:17 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>Stealth Pilot > wrote in
:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
>>> wrote:
>>>
(Ron Lee) wrote in news:47d7ff63.6885109
:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless of the "right" wording, are you equivocating? Sounds
>>>>>>> like you can't fly in the USA unless you get a plastic license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not quite, it sounds like you can no longer fly if your certificate
>>>>>>is issued by the FAA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I see your point. You are right. So this American, who has a
>>>>> FAA issued pilot certificate, could no longer legally fly in the USA
>>>>> at some point if I did not get the new plastic certificate. I did
>>>>> not look at the wording in a legal sense.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, he could, if he is using a foreign certificate. I have about
>>>>five of them in various states of repair and can use any one of them
>>>>to fly in the US.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>> lemme see.....
>>> australian, mexican, columbian, venezualian, bolivian, brazilian.
>>>
>>> even close ???
>>
>>Nope. Couple of African ones, couple of European ones. Most are expire
>>at the moment ( the US is the only place I know of where the licence
>>doesn't actually have an expiry date)
>>
>>Bertie
>
> australian licences are perpetual.

My UK is perpetual