Trans Atlantic flight, anybody?

[Martin Gregorie[_1_]]

An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secret-is-a-load-of-hot-air.html

This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.

It would be a helluva flight!


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Ralph Jones[_2_]]

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:34:16 +0000, Martin Gregorie
> wrote:

>An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:
>http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secret-is-a-load-of-hot-air.html
>
>This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
>kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
>warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
>right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
>and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>
>It would be a helluva flight!

Depends on your glider's ETOPS range...;-)

rj

[Cats]

On Mar 13, 12:34*am, Martin Gregorie >
wrote:
> An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secr...
>
> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
> and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>
> It would be a helluva flight!

Have you floated this idea in front of Z7?

[Ian]

On 13 Mar, 00:34, Martin Gregorie > wrote:

> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
> and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>
> It would be a helluva flight!

Damn. No Steve Fossett around to do it.

Ian

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Mar 12, 8:52*pm, Ralph Jones > wrote:

> Depends on your glider's ETOPS range...;-)

Ah, yes, ETOPS:

Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim

Bob K.

[chris]

>Trans Atlantic flight, anybody?

Yeah, you first.

Chris

[fbrahic]

On Mar 13, 10:14 am, chris > wrote:
> >Trans Atlantic flight, anybody?
>
> Yeah, you first.
>
> Chris

Hey, my sister wrote that article!

[Martin Gregorie[_1_]]

Cats wrote:
> On Mar 13, 12:34 am, Martin Gregorie >
> wrote:
>> An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secr...
>>
>> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
>> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
>> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
>> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
>> and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>>
>> It would be a helluva flight!
>
> Have you floated this idea in front of Z7?
>
Nah, first mention is here. I think its unlikely that you'd ever get a
continuous lift line over the distance and the chance that, having
formed, it would persist long enough to make the flight is essentially
zero. It makes a nice pipe dream though.


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gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Peter[_4_]]

Ian wrote;
"Damn. No Steve Fossett around to do it.

Ian"

and....maybe he is??

"Ian" > wrote in message
...
> On 13 Mar, 00:34, Martin Gregorie > wrote:
>
>> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
>> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
>> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
>> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
>> and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>>
>> It would be a helluva flight!
>
> Damn. No Steve Fossett around to do it.
>
> Ian
>

[JS]

The glider flight would be more like
Early Termination Of Planned Sortie.
Jim

On Mar 13, 8:59 am, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> On Mar 12, 8:52 pm, Ralph Jones > wrote:
>
> > Depends on your glider's ETOPS range...;-)
>
> Ah, yes, ETOPS:
>
> Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim
>
> Bob K.

[stephanevdv]

A transatlantic flight was also a pipe dream for one of the founding
fathers of the French gliding federation, Raymond Siretta. He worked
as a pilot in French Guyana in the Thirties, and during his
transatlantic voyages (by steamer, sailing boat and zeppelin!), he
studied the skies and concluded it should be possible to cross the
Atlantic in pure soaring flight between Dakar (Senegal) and Cayenne
(French Guyana), 4000 km, using the trade winds.

Source: Raymond Siretta, Le Vol à Voile, Flammarion, Paris, 1948

[Fred the Red Shirt]

On Mar 12, 8:34 pm, Martin Gregorie >
wrote:
> An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secr...
>
> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
> and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>
> It would be a helluva flight!
>

Though glider flights across the North Pacific and
transcontinental glider flights across North America
are all but routine, I do think there has not yet been
one across the North Atlantic.

--

FF

[Mike Schumann]

Glider flights across the North Pacific and transcontinental flights across
North America are routine?????

Mike Schumann

"Fred the Red Shirt" > wrote in message
...
> On Mar 12, 8:34 pm, Martin Gregorie >
> wrote:
>> An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf
>> Stream:http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secr...
>>
>> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
>> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
>> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
>> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
>> and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>>
>> It would be a helluva flight!
>>
>
> Though glider flights across the North Pacific and
> transcontinental glider flights across North America
> are all but routine, I do think there has not yet been
> one across the North Atlantic.
>
> --
>
> FF



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[Sarah Anderson[_2_]]

OK, I'll bite. Space shuttle glides, I presume?

Now _soaring_ flight, that's different.


Sarah

PS.. What's the red shirt for, CV ordinanceman or StarTrek ensign?


Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
> On Mar 12, 8:34 pm, Martin Gregorie >
> wrote:
>> An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secr...
>>
>> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
>> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
>> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
>> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough
>> and persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>>
>> It would be a helluva flight!
>>
>
> Though glider flights across the North Pacific and
> transcontinental glider flights across North America
> are all but routine, I do think there has not yet been
> one across the North Atlantic.
>
> --
>
> FF

[Fred the Red Shirt]

On Mar 14, 7:11 pm, Sarah Anderson > wrote:
> OK, I'll bite. Space shuttle glides, I presume?

Correct.

>
> Now _soaring_ flight, that's different.
>
> Sarah
>
> PS.. What's the red shirt for, CV ordinanceman or StarTrek ensign?
>

So the blood doesn't show.

(Don;'t ask about the brown trousers...)

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FF

[Phil Jeffery]

Some 40 or so years ago, John Fielden suggested that it might be feasable to
cross the Atlantic by dynamic soaring in the wind gradient associated with a
jet stream. I don't recall he had a theory on how one might find and remain
within that bit of air.

"Martin Gregorie" > wrote in message
...
> An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:
> http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secret-is-a-load-of-hot-air.html
>
> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough and
> persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>
> It would be a helluva flight!
>
>
> --
> martin@ | Martin Gregorie
> gregorie. | Essex, UK
> org |

[john]

On 15/3/08 12:38 PM, in article ,
"Phil Jeffery" > wrote:

Justin Wills has had a theory for years that a flight between Australia and
New Zealand (1200 miles - all over water) was definitely possible.


JOHN ROAKE
EDITOR
GLIDING INTERNATIONAL

> Some 40 or so years ago, John Fielden suggested that it might be feasable to
> cross the Atlantic by dynamic soaring in the wind gradient associated with a
> jet stream. I don't recall he had a theory on how one might find and remain
> within that bit of air.
>
> "Martin Gregorie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> An article in New Scientist, about the Gulf Stream:
>> http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13455-gulf-streams-secret-is-a-
>> load-of-hot-air.html
>>
>> This says that its northern edge is often marked by a line of clouds,
>> kicked off by the thermal edge between cold North Atlantic water and the
>> warm Gulf Stream. That made me wonder if the cloud street ever stretches
>> right across the Atlantic and, if it does, would it be strong enough and
>> persist long enough to allow a glider to make the crossing.
>>
>> It would be a helluva flight!
>>
>>
>> --
>> martin@ | Martin Gregorie
>> gregorie. | Essex, UK
>> org |
>
>

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