Stalls and Thoughts

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 12:26 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> > Dan > wrote in news:a4c15208-4f0a-4248-abf6-2773159ea144
> > @n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> On Mar 18, 11:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >>> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>
> >>> Bertie
> >> Please turn in your "He Man Woman Haters club" membership card
> >> immediately.
>
> > Never hated women!
>
> > Definitely hated Cats, though. It was like two hours of root canal.
>
> > Bertie
>
> I might have you guys beat on this one. I had to take Mrs H to see
> Micheal Flatley in Lord of the Dance. Loved the show as we're really
> into Celtic music, but Flatley blew her a kiss from the stage. I'll be
> listening to the recounting of this story till the day I die, and if Mrs
> H and I are buried closely together as planned, the dirt between our
> caskets will reverberate with her trying to shout through it to my ear
> so I can hear the story again!!
> :-)
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

You guys are saints.

The worst I've had to bear are the occasional chick flick. Fortunately
the lead actresses are usually aesthetically pleasing.

We did see the Smother's Brothers, but that wasn't too painful.


Dan Mc

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:5938b5a6-4ae0-4b08-bc85-
:

> On Mar 18, 12:21 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> > However, your next assignment is to review "The Little Rascals" and
>> > then return...
>>
>> No prob. The one with the the fire engine is the best.
>>
>> And may Ted Turner go to hell for coloring them.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> That is a good one...
>
> My faves are the football in a cake, and the car with the boxing
> glove.
>
> We worked real hard to build one of those cars, but the whole axle-
> alignment/steeing thing was too much for out 9 year old minds and
> skills.

I don't remember the one with the car and boxing glove. A local station
was running them for a while and I watched as many as I could.
>
> Darla was hot.
>

Believe it or not, I use to live near her. She was in her sixties,
then..



Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Oops, disregard the last, It was one of the other lesser known girls, not
Darla.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dan > wrote in
>> news:a4c15208-4f0a-4248-abf6-2773159ea144
>> @n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 11:46 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> Please turn in your "He Man Woman Haters club" membership card
>>> immediately.
>>>
>>
>> Never hated women!
>>
>> Definitely hated Cats, though. It was like two hours of root canal.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> I might have you guys beat on this one. I had to take Mrs H to see
> Micheal Flatley in Lord of the Dance. Loved the show as we're really
> into Celtic music, but Flatley blew her a kiss from the stage. I'll be
> listening to the recounting of this story till the day I die, and if
> Mrs H and I are buried closely together as planned, the dirt between
> our caskets will reverberate with her trying to shout through it to my
> ear so I can hear the story again!!
>:-)
>

Yech. I complained so much about Cats, that I was excused from having to
go see 42nd street, anyway. her brother took her.

Bertie

[cavedweller]

On Mar 18, 11:46*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> cavedweller > wrote in news:36c5df43-8309-4ad7-91e5-
> :
>
> > Wait, there's more (hanging head even further), *As a conciliatory
> > gesture to SWMBO, I have tickets to not one, but two, diva Dion
> > concerts upcoming later this year. *The things one must do. *But 'mkew
> > for the panel sacrifice.
>
> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>
> Bertie

I have an obligation to attend a back stage event with Anne Murray
next month....Canadian culture at it's best :)

[cavedweller]

On Mar 18, 10:52*am, Dan > wrote:
> On Mar 18, 10:39 am, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 17, 1:42 pm, wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>
> > > > I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
> > > > math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
> > > > Betcha you could understand non-linear math
> > > > by figuring out the source of flutter in control
> > > > surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
> > > > is needed even for a 152.
>
> > > * * * "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
> > > have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.>
> > > * * * * Dan
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroelasticity
>
> > Think about how a teader-tauter works, once balanced,
> > its angle stays constant in spite of the applied acceleration.
>
> > Control surfaces are subject to angular accelerations, when
> > engaged, around the a/c CG, in pitch, yaw, roll, so the input
> > can be varied by the induced acceleration.
> > Ken get's a star.
>
> We have "Teeter-Totters" down here, Bub.
>
> And the way they work is the fat kid wins.
>
> Dan Mc-

He used the Mensan spelling.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 1:09 pm, cavedweller > wrote:
>
> He used the Mensan spelling.

Those low-level peons...

Tiresome.



Dan Mc

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 1:07 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

>
> Yech. I complained so much about Cats, that I was excused from having to
> go see 42nd street, anyway. her brother took her.
>
> Bertie

That's the ticket -- put up with one night's misery, complain about
it, and never have to go through another one again.

"How to Survive as a Husband" 101.


Dan Mc

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 1:02 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

>
> I don't remember the one with the car and boxing glove. A local station
> was running them for a while and I watched as many as I could.

There seem to be hundreds of episodes. The later ones had an un-
authentic-looking Spanky so I lost interest.

Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:0a2d0785-2b71-4fbd-9e5f-
:

> On Mar 18, 1:02 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't remember the one with the car and boxing glove. A local
station
>> was running them for a while and I watched as many as I could.
>
> There seem to be hundreds of episodes. The later ones had an un-
> authentic-looking Spanky so I lost interest.
>

Oh there were. It ran from the silent era, maybe even as early as 1920
or so. I've seen one or two of those. It went up till the middle of WW2,
i think. Robert Blake was in some of the last ones. I remember seeing
him in some of those. He was pretty dreadful. He was as big an asshole
then as he is now, only even shorter.
I think froggy was in those later ones, too.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

cavedweller > wrote in
:

> On Mar 18, 11:46*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> cavedweller > wrote in
>> news:36c5df43-8309-4ad7-91e5
> -
>> :
>>
>> > Wait, there's more (hanging head even further), *As a conciliatory
>> > gesture to SWMBO, I have tickets to not one, but two, diva Dion
>> > concerts upcoming later this year. *The things one must do. *But
>> > 'mk
> ew
>> > for the panel sacrifice.
>>
>> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I have an obligation to attend a back stage event with Anne Murray
> next month....Canadian culture at it's best :)
>

She's Canadian? I thought she was mannequin.


Bertie

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 2:17 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Dan > wrote in news:0a2d0785-2b71-4fbd-9e5f-
> :
>
>
>
> > On Mar 18, 1:02 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> I don't remember the one with the car and boxing glove. A local
> station
> >> was running them for a while and I watched as many as I could.
>
> > There seem to be hundreds of episodes. The later ones had an un-
> > authentic-looking Spanky so I lost interest.
>
> Oh there were. It ran from the silent era, maybe even as early as 1920
> or so. I've seen one or two of those. It went up till the middle of WW2,
> i think. Robert Blake was in some of the last ones. I remember seeing
> him in some of those. He was pretty dreadful. He was as big an asshole
> then as he is now, only even shorter.
> I think froggy was in those later ones, too.
>
> Bertie

My stepfather knew him as Sonny Gubitosi -- lived around the block in
Nutley.

He agrees with your assessment.

;-)


Dan Mc

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:bb16cea7-c417-46ff-a6ca-5980f5b87126@
59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:


>
> My stepfather knew him as Sonny Gubitosi -- lived around the block in
> Nutley.
>
> He agrees with your assessment.
>

I remember seeing hin interviewed on some chat show when Berreta first came
out. he did not come across well.


Bertie

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 2:23 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Dan > wrote in news:bb16cea7-c417-46ff-a6ca-5980f5b87126@
> 59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > My stepfather knew him as Sonny Gubitosi -- lived around the block in
> > Nutley.
>
> > He agrees with your assessment.
>
> I remember seeing hin interviewed on some chat show when Berreta first came
> out. he did not come across well.
>
> Bertie

I doubt many would from that place and time.

All about being tough.


Dan Mc

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

BTW, did you know that Alfalfa was murdered? Some kind of argument over a
bet. I thnk he got juiced up and went over to rob a welched bet out of the
guy's house and ended up getting shot over it. Something like that, anyway.
I looked up loads of stuff about these guys on the net when they started
showing them a few years ago. There's a site somewhere that shows a few of
the silent ones.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in
:

> On Mar 18, 2:23 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Dan > wrote in
>> news:bb16cea7-c417-46ff-a6ca-5980f5b87126@
>> 59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > My stepfather knew him as Sonny Gubitosi -- lived around the block
>> > in Nutley.
>>
>> > He agrees with your assessment.
>>
>> I remember seeing hin interviewed on some chat show when Berreta
>> first came out. he did not come across well.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I doubt many would from that place and time.
>
> All about being tough.

No, it was something different. He was just one of those natural born
assholes.

Bertie

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Dan wrote:
> On Mar 18, 1:02 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> I don't remember the one with the car and boxing glove. A local station
>> was running them for a while and I watched as many as I could.
>
> There seem to be hundreds of episodes. The later ones had an un-
> authentic-looking Spanky so I lost interest.
>
> Dan
>
>

There were 220 shorts and one feature produced between 1922 and 1944
with over forty child actors.

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

>
> I might have you guys beat on this one. I had to take Mrs H to see
> Micheal Flatley in Lord of the Dance. Loved the show as we're really
> into Celtic music, but Flatley blew her a kiss from the stage. I'll be
> listening to the recounting of this story till the day I die, and if Mrs
> H and I are buried closely together as planned, the dirt between our
> caskets will reverberate with her trying to shout through it to my ear
> so I can hear the story again!!
> :-)
>

That's it you win. I love my wife of 22 years dearly. Thank God that
I've never had to put that love to that much of a test.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 2:25 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> BTW, did you know that Alfalfa was murdered? Some kind of argument over a
> bet. I thnk he got juiced up and went over to rob a welched bet out of the
> guy's house and ended up getting shot over it. Something like that, anyway.
> I looked up loads of stuff about these guys on the net when they started
> showing them a few years ago. There's a site somewhere that shows a few of
> the silent ones.

No way!

I know buckwheat was shot. It was all over the news....


Dan Mc

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 2:27 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Dan > wrote :
>
>
>
> > On Mar 18, 2:23 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> Dan > wrote in
> >> news:bb16cea7-c417-46ff-a6ca-5980f5b87126@
> >> 59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > My stepfather knew him as Sonny Gubitosi -- lived around the block
> >> > in Nutley.
>
> >> > He agrees with your assessment.
>
> >> I remember seeing hin interviewed on some chat show when Berreta
> >> first came out. he did not come across well.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > I doubt many would from that place and time.
>
> > All about being tough.
>
> No, it was something different. He was just one of those natural born
> assholes.
>
> Bertie

Well, I grew up in that area quite a while after him, but living there
you realize people could be anything other than assholes until you
leave.

Many that leave carry the infection with them.

I didn't follow him much but I'm sure he had an extra special dose.


Dan Mc

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in
:

> On Mar 18, 2:25 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> BTW, did you know that Alfalfa was murdered? Some kind of argument
>> over a bet. I thnk he got juiced up and went over to rob a welched
>> bet out of the guy's house and ended up getting shot over it.
>> Something like that, anyway. I looked up loads of stuff about these
>> guys on the net when they started showing them a few years ago.
>> There's a site somewhere that shows a few of the silent ones.
>
> No way!
>
> I know buckwheat was shot. It was all over the news....


He was? I don't remember reading about that. One of the black kids
worked at the studio into old age. I think it was Buckwheat. I'm pretty
sure he was still alive when Eddie Murphy was impersonating him.
You've prolly got him confused with alfalfa. Alfalfa's real name was
Carl something. Carl Black? I think Spanky became a banker.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in
:

> On Mar 18, 2:27 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Dan > wrote
>> innews:be952bd7-23b4-43dc-87b7-317e258bee4b@
13g2000hsb.googlegroups.co
>> m:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 18, 2:23 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> Dan > wrote in
>> >> news:bb16cea7-c417-46ff-a6ca-5980f5b87126@
>> >> 59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> > My stepfather knew him as Sonny Gubitosi -- lived around the
>> >> > block in Nutley.
>>
>> >> > He agrees with your assessment.
>>
>> >> I remember seeing hin interviewed on some chat show when Berreta
>> >> first came out. he did not come across well.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > I doubt many would from that place and time.
>>
>> > All about being tough.
>>
>> No, it was something different. He was just one of those natural born
>> assholes.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Well, I grew up in that area quite a while after him, but living there
> you realize people could be anything other than assholes until you
> leave.
>
> Many that leave carry the infection with them.
>
> I didn't follow him much but I'm sure he had an extra special dose.
>

Oh OK, where was that, Scranton? :)

Bertie

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 2:46 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Dan > wrote :
>
> > On Mar 18, 2:25 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> BTW, did you know that Alfalfa was murdered? Some kind of argument
> >> over a bet. I thnk he got juiced up and went over to rob a welched
> >> bet out of the guy's house and ended up getting shot over it.
> >> Something like that, anyway. I looked up loads of stuff about these
> >> guys on the net when they started showing them a few years ago.
> >> There's a site somewhere that shows a few of the silent ones.
>
> > No way!
>
> > I know buckwheat was shot. It was all over the news....
>
> He was? I don't remember reading about that. One of the black kids
> worked at the studio into old age. I think it was Buckwheat. I'm pretty
> sure he was still alive when Eddie Murphy was impersonating him.
> You've prolly got him confused with alfalfa. Alfalfa's real name was
> Carl something. Carl Black? I think Spanky became a banker.
>
> Bertie

I was being a bit too tongue in cheek (hard in a non-visual medium).

Of course I was referring to the absolutely hilarious "Buckwheat has
been shot" sketch on SNL.


Dan Mc

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in
:

> On Mar 18, 2:46 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Dan > wrote
>> innews:e24bbb50-67d2-46f9-bc71-ee87bad167b2
@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.c
>> om:
>>
>> > On Mar 18, 2:25 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> BTW, did you know that Alfalfa was murdered? Some kind of argument
>> >> over a bet. I thnk he got juiced up and went over to rob a welched
>> >> bet out of the guy's house and ended up getting shot over it.
>> >> Something like that, anyway. I looked up loads of stuff about
>> >> these guys on the net when they started showing them a few years
>> >> ago. There's a site somewhere that shows a few of the silent ones.
>>
>> > No way!
>>
>> > I know buckwheat was shot. It was all over the news....
>>
>> He was? I don't remember reading about that. One of the black kids
>> worked at the studio into old age. I think it was Buckwheat. I'm
>> pretty sure he was still alive when Eddie Murphy was impersonating
>> him. You've prolly got him confused with alfalfa. Alfalfa's real name
>> was Carl something. Carl Black? I think Spanky became a banker.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I was being a bit too tongue in cheek (hard in a non-visual medium).
>
> Of course I was referring to the absolutely hilarious "Buckwheat has
> been shot" sketch on SNL.
>

OK, don't remember it. The Our Gang stuff was just brilliant. It's hard
to think of anything else so ageless. Where I grew up the guy who showed
them on TV on sat AM was Pete Boyle. He was an artist as well and his
set was a little shack of a clubhouse like the kids had. His son was
also Pete Boyle, the actor. Looked just like him except I think he was a
lot smaller.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 2:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

>
> > Of course I was referring to the absolutely hilarious "Buckwheat has
> > been shot" sketch on SNL.
>
> OK, don't remember it. The Our Gang stuff was just brilliant. It's hard
> to think of anything else so ageless. Where I grew up the guy who showed
> them on TV on sat AM was Pete Boyle. He was an artist as well and his
> set was a little shack of a clubhouse like the kids had. His son was
> also Pete Boyle, the actor. Looked just like him except I think he was a
> lot smaller.

Very true

Peter Boyle -- just passed away? Played the father on "Everybody Loves
Raymond"?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Dan > wrote in news:c6ab425d-df58-4f99-935e-
:

> On Mar 18, 2:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>>
>> > Of course I was referring to the absolutely hilarious "Buckwheat
has
>> > been shot" sketch on SNL.
>>
>> OK, don't remember it. The Our Gang stuff was just brilliant. It's
hard
>> to think of anything else so ageless. Where I grew up the guy who
showed
>> them on TV on sat AM was Pete Boyle. He was an artist as well and his
>> set was a little shack of a clubhouse like the kids had. His son was
>> also Pete Boyle, the actor. Looked just like him except I think he
was a
>> lot smaller.
>
> Very true
>
> Peter Boyle -- just passed away? Played the father on "Everybody Loves
> Raymond"?
>

That's him. I first saw him in "Joe" and then as Frankensteeens monster
in "Young Frankentein"


Bertie

[Highflyer]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> cavedweller > wrote in
> news:36c5df43-8309-4ad7-91e5-
> :
>>
>> Wait, there's more (hanging head even further), As a conciliatory
>> gesture to SWMBO, I have tickets to not one, but two, diva Dion
>> concerts upcoming later this year. The things one must do. But 'mkew
>> for the panel sacrifice.
>>
> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>
>
> Bertie

Hey, I LIKED Cats!

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Highflyer" > wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cavedweller > wrote in
>> news:36c5df43-8309-4ad7-91e5-
>> :
>>>
>>> Wait, there's more (hanging head even further), As a conciliatory
>>> gesture to SWMBO, I have tickets to not one, but two, diva Dion
>>> concerts upcoming later this year. The things one must do. But
'mkew
>>> for the panel sacrifice.
>>>
>> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Hey, I LIKED Cats!
>

Couldn't bear it. I'm not realy into dancing and the single theme hat
droned on throughout was just mindnumbing, i though.


The place was full though!


Bertie

[Blueskies]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message ...
>>>> We're losing a lot of our last flying generation each year.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>
>> Have you guys seen the book "America's Hundred-Thousand"? It is about
>> the USA fighter production in WWII. Very good...
>> Also, have you seen any of the EAA 'voices' or whatever it is they call
>> it; the recordings and stories from the guys (and gals) who were there.
>> Also very good...
>>
>>
> Haven't seen that but it sounds like a fine idea.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Here you go: http://eaa.org/timelessvoices/

[Blueskies]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message .. .
>
> Well, you also gave the world Joni Mitchell, so as a concilatroy gesture
> we'll burn the entire panel of american idol at the stake.
>
> Bertie

American idle...

[Blueskies]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message .. .
!
>>
>
> Couldn't bear it. I'm not realy into dancing and the single theme hat
> droned on throughout was just mindnumbing, i though.
>
>
> The place was full though!
>
>
> Bertie

Shoulda bought stock...

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Blueskies wrote:
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>>> We're losing a lot of our last flying generation each year.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you guys seen the book "America's Hundred-Thousand"? It is about
>>> the USA fighter production in WWII. Very good...
>>> Also, have you seen any of the EAA 'voices' or whatever it is they
>>> call it; the recordings and stories from the guys (and gals) who were
>>> there. Also very good...
>>>
>>>
>> Haven't seen that but it sounds like a fine idea.
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Here you go: http://eaa.org/timelessvoices/


What a wonderful idea. I hope EAA is successful with this.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Blueskies" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> Well, you also gave the world Joni Mitchell, so as a concilatroy
>> gesture we'll burn the entire panel of american idol at the stake.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> American idle...
>

What hope has the human race now?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Blueskies" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. . !
>>>
>>
>> Couldn't bear it. I'm not realy into dancing and the single theme hat
>> droned on throughout was just mindnumbing, i though.
>>
>>
>> The place was full though!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Shoulda bought stock...
>

Ugh. Plenty of shows you can lose your shirt on if you really want to!

Bertie

[Roger[_4_]]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>
>> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
>> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
>> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
>> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
>> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
>> is needed even for a 152.
>
> "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
>have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.

What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
"Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
flutter.

>
> Dan
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Roger wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
>>> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
>>> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
>>> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
>>> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
>>> is needed even for a 152.
>> "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
>> have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.
>
> What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
> "Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
> coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
> Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
> flutter.
>
>> Dan
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

Johnson bar fun is when you have a sweaty hand one day in one of the
early Cessna 150's and you thumb the release catch after a short field
takeoff and it slips out of your fingers. The resulting BANG when it
hits the floorboard as the flaps come up in a nano second can give the
guy next to you a heart attack!
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 9:01 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Roger wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>
> >>> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
> >>> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
> >>> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
> >>> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
> >>> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
> >>> is needed even for a 152.
> >> "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
> >> have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.
>
> > What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
> > "Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
> > coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
> > Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
> > flutter.
>
> >> Dan
> > Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> > (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> >www.rogerhalstead.com
>
> Johnson bar fun is when you have a sweaty hand one day in one of the
> early Cessna 150's and you thumb the release catch after a short field
> takeoff and it slips out of your fingers. The resulting BANG when it
> hits the floorboard as the flaps come up in a nano second can give the
> guy next to you a heart attack!
> :-))
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

LOL!

Just yesterday we were in the 172E (last 172 model with the bar).

"I think this only has 30 degrees... wait.. hang on... UUUMMPPHHH --
there you go! Just don't go around!'

Came down like an elevator...


Dan Mc

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dan wrote:
> On Mar 18, 9:01 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Roger wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>>>>> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
>>>>> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
>>>>> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
>>>>> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
>>>>> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
>>>>> is needed even for a 152.
>>>> "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
>>>> have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.
>>> What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
>>> "Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
>>> coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
>>> Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
>>> flutter.
>>>> Dan
>>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>> Johnson bar fun is when you have a sweaty hand one day in one of the
>> early Cessna 150's and you thumb the release catch after a short field
>> takeoff and it slips out of your fingers. The resulting BANG when it
>> hits the floorboard as the flaps come up in a nano second can give the
>> guy next to you a heart attack!
>> :-))
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> LOL!
>
> Just yesterday we were in the 172E (last 172 model with the bar).
>
> "I think this only has 30 degrees... wait.. hang on... UUUMMPPHHH --
> there you go! Just don't go around!'
>
> Came down like an elevator...
>
>
> Dan Mc
I actually liked the bar really. One thing for sure. You always knew
where the flaps were :-))


--
Dudley Henriques

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 9:47 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:

>
> > Just yesterday we were in the 172E (last 172 model with the bar).
>
> > "I think this only has 30 degrees... wait.. hang on... UUUMMPPHHH --
> > there you go! Just don't go around!'
>
> > Came down like an elevator...
>
> > Dan Mc
>
> I actually liked the bar really. One thing for sure. You always knew
> where the flaps were :-))
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

I agree completely...

The A36 has a little indicator window hidden behind the big yoke arm.

Most times it's easier to just give it full flaps and be done.


Dan Mc

[Highflyer]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Roger wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
>>>> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
>>>> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
>>>> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
>>>> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
>>>> is needed even for a 152.
>>> "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
>>> have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.
>>
>> What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
>> "Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
>> coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
>> Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
>> flutter.
>>
>>> Dan
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>
> Johnson bar fun is when you have a sweaty hand one day in one of the early
> Cessna 150's and you thumb the release catch after a short field takeoff
> and it slips out of your fingers. The resulting BANG when it hits the
> floorboard as the flaps come up in a nano second can give the guy next to
> you a heart attack!
> :-))
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

I remember a new 1953 Tripacer. We had four folks in it and landed on a
grass strip. After we landed we realized the grass hadn't been mowed for
quite a while. Couldn't get up enough speed to take off. I had a bright
idea. Started the takeoff roll and started pumping the Johnson Bar for the
flaps. The airplane started bouncing and everytime we bounced out of the
grass it accellerated a little bit more. We made it off before we ran out
of runway. I felt like I jacked that darn Tripacer into the air! :-)

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport PJY

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Highflyer wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Roger wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
>>>>> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
>>>>> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
>>>>> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
>>>>> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
>>>>> is needed even for a 152.
>>>> "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
>>>> have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.
>>> What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
>>> "Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
>>> coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
>>> Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
>>> flutter.
>>>
>>>> Dan
>>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>> Johnson bar fun is when you have a sweaty hand one day in one of the early
>> Cessna 150's and you thumb the release catch after a short field takeoff
>> and it slips out of your fingers. The resulting BANG when it hits the
>> floorboard as the flaps come up in a nano second can give the guy next to
>> you a heart attack!
>> :-))
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> I remember a new 1953 Tripacer. We had four folks in it and landed on a
> grass strip. After we landed we realized the grass hadn't been mowed for
> quite a while. Couldn't get up enough speed to take off. I had a bright
> idea. Started the takeoff roll and started pumping the Johnson Bar for the
> flaps. The airplane started bouncing and everytime we bounced out of the
> grass it accellerated a little bit more. We made it off before we ran out
> of runway. I felt like I jacked that darn Tripacer into the air! :-)
>
> Highflyer
> Highflight Aviation Services
> Pinckneyville Airport PJY
>
>
You DID...literally!! :-)))) Let's face it. Deep down, you're an old
bush pilot at heart!

--
Dudley Henriques

[Ken S. Tucker]

On Mar 18, 4:51 pm, Roger > wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>
> >> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
> >> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
> >> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
> >> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
> >> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
> >> is needed even for a 152.
>
> > "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
> >have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.
>
> What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
> "Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
> coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
> Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
> flutter.

What impressed me is that once a Teeter-Tooter was
balanced on a 3 dimensional 360 degree bearing, the
direction of the TT would remain the same inspite of
the applied acceleration.

Historically, that goes back to Galileo dropping two
different weights off the Leaning Tower of Pizza, and
an astronaut on the moon dropping a feather and a
hammer on the moon.

In those cases a "balance" is retained that is
invariant of the applied acceleration.

Einstein used that to form the basis of the General
Theory of Relativity, known as the Principle of
Equivalence.

In aviation, an a/c has 6 accelerations, 3 around
yaw, pitch and roll, that are centrifugal, and 3 in
the x,y,z linear directions.

Regards
Ken S. Tucker

[cavedweller]

On Mar 18, 2:18*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> cavedweller > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 18, 11:46*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> cavedweller > wrote in
> >> news:36c5df43-8309-4ad7-91e5
> > -
> >> :
>
> >> > Wait, there's more (hanging head even further), *As a conciliatory
> >> > gesture to SWMBO, I have tickets to not one, but two, diva Dion
> >> > concerts upcoming later this year. *The things one must do. *But
> >> > 'mk
> > ew
> >> > for the panel sacrifice.
>
> >> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > I have an obligation to attend a back stage event with Anne Murray
> > next month....Canadian culture at it's best :)
>
> She's Canadian? I thought she was *mannequin.
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No, silly, that's Hill....never mind.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 18, 10:47 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:

> Historically, that goes back to Galileo dropping two
> different weights off the Leaning Tower of Pizza, and
> an astronaut on the moon dropping a feather and a
> hammer on the moon.


Didn't Galileo drop two mushroom, one veggie, and an extra large
pepperoni from that tower of Pizza?

Did he throw in a 2 liter Pepsi? Garlic Knots?


Dan Mc

[Ken S. Tucker]

On Mar 19, 5:02 am, Dan > wrote:
> On Mar 18, 10:47 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>
> > Historically, that goes back to Galileo dropping two
> > different weights off the Leaning Tower of Pizza, and
> > an astronaut on the moon dropping a feather and a
> > hammer on the moon.
>
> Didn't Galileo drop two mushroom, one veggie, and an extra large
> pepperoni from that tower of Pizza?
> Did he throw in a 2 liter Pepsi? Garlic Knots?
> Dan Mc

Originally Galileo dropped a pizza and the experiment
failed, however that failure lead to the developement of
the modern Frisbee and the 1st fast food restaurant,
*a pizza to go*, the rest is history.
Ken

[[email protected]]

On Mar 19, 7:02 am, Dan > wrote:
> On Mar 18, 10:47 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>
> > Historically, that goes back to Galileo dropping two
> > different weights off the Leaning Tower of Pizza, and
> > an astronaut on the moon dropping a feather and a
> > hammer on the moon.
>
> Didn't Galileo drop two mushroom, one veggie, and an extra large
> pepperoni from that tower of Pizza?
>
> Did he throw in a 2 liter Pepsi? Garlic Knots?
>
> Dan Mc

Pizzas were spherical until Galileo dropped a couple of them
from that Leaning Tower of Pisa. When they landed, they ended up
really flat and were found to be much easier to eat. Spherical pizzas
would smudge tomato sauce and cheese all over your chin and nose and
forehead and get into your hair. Flat pizzas don't do that. They just
drop strings of cheese onto your shirt, which is much less
inconvenient. And spherical pizzas required some pretty complicated
cooking apparatus. They had to be rolled while cooking to avoid having
the gooey stuff run all to one side. Since they were hollow, they
posed the risk of explosion in the oven, too.
They renamed the Tower in honor of the invention of the flat pizza,
I guess.

Dan

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 19, 1:42 pm, wrote:

> > > Historically, that goes back to Galileo dropping two
> > > different weights off the Leaning Tower of Pizza, and
> > > an astronaut on the moon dropping a feather and a
> > > hammer on the moon.
>
> > Didn't Galileo drop two mushroom, one veggie, and an extra large
> > pepperoni from that tower of Pizza?
>
> > Did he throw in a 2 liter Pepsi? Garlic Knots?
>
> > Dan Mc
>
> Pizzas were spherical until Galileo dropped a couple of them
> from that Leaning Tower of Pisa. When they landed, they ended up
> really flat and were found to be much easier to eat. Spherical pizzas
> would smudge tomato sauce and cheese all over your chin and nose and
> forehead and get into your hair. Flat pizzas don't do that. They just
> drop strings of cheese onto your shirt, which is much less
> inconvenient. And spherical pizzas required some pretty complicated
> cooking apparatus. They had to be rolled while cooking to avoid having
> the gooey stuff run all to one side. Since they were hollow, they
> posed the risk of explosion in the oven, too.
> They renamed the Tower in honor of the invention of the flat pizza,
> I guess.

So the calzone was the result of the cleanup efforts?


Dan Mc

[Roger[_4_]]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:33:29 -1000, "Owner" > wrote:

>

>
>There is The Einstein Equivalence Principle, The Weak Equivalence Principle,
>and The Strong Equivalence Principle. However, there is no Principal of
>Equivalence.
>

There sure is. Principle of Equivalence = principle of equivalent
exchange. The Principal of Equivalence is the guy in charge.
This is the rec.aviation.alchemy isn't it?
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:01:03 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Roger wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a victim of the enviroment. Take non-linear
>>>> math for example, I try to reduce my flap flutter.
>>>> Betcha you could understand non-linear math
>>>> by figuring out the source of flutter in control
>>>> surfaces, and then why a mass counter balance
>>>> is needed even for a 152.
>>> "Flap flutter." Well, it might be news to you that flaps don't
>>> have mass balances. They're not subject to flutter.
>>
>> What? "You've never seen flap flutter". You missed the infamous
>> "Cherokee Dance" created by flap flutter when the ol' Johnson bar was
>> coupled to a pilot with a case of nerves who kept missing the catch?
>> Wellll...It is more of a low frequency oscillation rather than
>> flutter.
>>
>>> Dan
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>Johnson bar fun is when you have a sweaty hand one day in one of the
>early Cessna 150's and you thumb the release catch after a short field
>takeoff and it slips out of your fingers. The resulting BANG when it
>hits the floorboard as the flaps come up in a nano second can give the
>guy next to you a heart attack!

Just tell him you were knocking the ice off the wings<:-))
>:-))

And you don't have to wait for that pesky flap motor. It adds a whole
new dimension to T&Gs. Handle down, trim set, power on and you can do
the whole thing as fast or faster than you can say it. In the Deb you
have about 7 to 10 seconds for the flaps to come up and you'd best
wait or expect to be flying "really slow" in ground effect. The
instant power comes in that wing wants to and is going to fly.

BTW In the old days we only checked carb heat on the Cherokee so it
wouldn't be on.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

cavedweller > wrote in
:

> On Mar 18, 2:18*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> cavedweller > wrote
>> innews:71bb377a-6629-47cf-a9e4-
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 18, 11:46*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> cavedweller > wrote in
>> >> news:36c5df43-8309-4ad7-91e5
>> > -
>> >> :
>>
>> >> > Wait, there's more (hanging head even further), *As a
>> >> > conciliatory gesture to SWMBO, I have tickets to not one, but
>> >> > two, diva Dion concerts upcoming later this year. *The things
>> >> > one must do. *But 'mk
>> > ew
>> >> > for the panel sacrifice.
>>
>> >> I understand. I had to take mrs Bunyip to Cats.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > I have an obligation to attend a back stage event with Anne Murray
>> > next month....Canadian culture at it's best :)
>>
>> She's Canadian? I thought she was *mannequin.
>>
>> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> No, silly, that's Hill....never mind.
>

Mmkay.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Ken S. Tucker" > wrote in news:26744aaf-9d6c-4278-
:
>
> What impressed me is that once a Teeter-Tooter was
> balanced on a 3 dimensional 360 degree bearing, the
> direction of the TT would remain the same inspite of
> the applied acceleration.

Why woulf that surprise someone who claims a sophisticated knowledge of
general relativity?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Ken S. Tucker" > wrote in news:77a6d455-a8cb-
:

> On Mar 19, 5:02 am, Dan > wrote:
>> On Mar 18, 10:47 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:
>>
>> > Historically, that goes back to Galileo dropping two
>> > different weights off the Leaning Tower of Pizza, and
>> > an astronaut on the moon dropping a feather and a
>> > hammer on the moon.
>>
>> Didn't Galileo drop two mushroom, one veggie, and an extra large
>> pepperoni from that tower of Pizza?
>> Did he throw in a 2 liter Pepsi? Garlic Knots?
>> Dan Mc
>
> Originally Galileo dropped a pizza and the experiment
> failed, however that failure lead to the developement of
> the modern Frisbee and the 1st fast food restaurant,
> *a pizza to go*, the rest is history.


Maybe he should have tried to get th epizza to do an outside spin
followed by a split s to landing.

Bertie