Why must night landings be full-stop?

[Ron Garret]

Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?

rg

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:58:48 -0700, Ron Garret >
wrote:

>Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>

Could it be because it may be difficult to see where the far end of
the runway is located at night?

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Neil Gould" > wrote:

> > Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
> >
> Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
> landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.

Day currency to carry passengers don't require full stop landings.

To the OP: IIRC, this was discussed several (many?) months ago without
resolution.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:36:23 -0600, "Neil Gould"
> wrote:

>>
>Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
>landings.

To coin a phrase...

Nope! <G>

What is "currency for carrying pax"?

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Ron Garret > posted:

> Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.

Best,

Neil

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:13:27 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote:

>In article >,
> "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>
>> > Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>> >
>> Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
>> landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.
>
>Day currency to carry passengers don't require full stop landings.


The lighting conditions during the day may be superior to those at
night, thus facilitating visually acquiring the location of the far
end of the runway, so as to estimate whether there is sufficient
runway remaining to conduct the takeoff phase of the touch and go
maneuver.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Ron Garret" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>


Because that's what in CFR part blah blah blah...

If you are trying to make sense of the regulations, well, good luck...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:36:23 -0600, "Neil Gould"
> wrote:

>Recently, Ron Garret > posted:
>
>> Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>>
>Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
>landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.
>

Day full-stop landings for passenger carrying currency are only
required for tail-wheel aircraft:



http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=477ffe5f8e7b7b7fc7d82953c1e69200&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2&idno=14
§ 61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.

(a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of
this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft
carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one
pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three
takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and—

(i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight
controls; and

(ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a
tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full
stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.

(2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph
(a)(1) of this section, a person may act as a pilot in command of an
aircraft under day VFR or day IFR, provided no persons or property are
carried on board the aircraft, other than those necessary for the
conduct of the flight.

(3) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this
section may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training
device that is—

(i) Approved by the Administrator for landings; and

(ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

(b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided
in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in
command of an aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning
1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within
the preceding 90 days that person has made at least three takeoffs and
three landings to a full stop during the period beginning 1 hour after
sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, and—

(i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flight controls;
and

(ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
required).

(2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this
section may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is—

(i) Approved by the Administrator for takeoffs and landings, if
the visual system is adjusted to represent the period described in
paragraph (b)(1) of this section; and

(ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

[Tina]

What is the definition of a takeoff and landing anyway? On a long
runway in a 172 one could land on the numbers, get below flying
speed, add throttle and lift off and repeat that sequence a number of
times in a single pass. Is each such touch and go an FAA recognized
landing and take off?


On Mar 15, 3:58*am, Ron Garret > wrote:
> Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
> rg

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Tina > wrote in news:aa63e5da-18f4-478d-aeb2-
:

> What is the definition of a takeoff and landing anyway? On a long
> runway in a 172 one could land on the numbers, get below flying
> speed, add throttle and lift off and repeat that sequence a number of
> times in a single pass. Is each such touch and go an FAA recognized
> landing and take off?
>

If you stop, yes. If you don't , no.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:36:23 -0600, "Neil Gould"
> > wrote:
>
>>Recently, Ron Garret > posted:
>>
>>> Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full
>>> stop?
>>>
>>Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
>>landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.
>>
>
> Day full-stop landings for passenger carrying currency are only
> required for tail-wheel aircraft:
>
>
>
> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=
477ffe5f8e7b7b
> 7fc7d82953c1e69200&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2&idno=14
> § 61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.
>
> (a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of
> this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft
> carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one
> pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three
> takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and—
>
> (i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight
> controls; and
>
> (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
> aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
> required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a
> tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full
> stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.
>
> (2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph
> (a)(1) of this section, a person may act as a pilot in command of an
> aircraft under day VFR or day IFR, provided no persons or property are
> carried on board the aircraft, other than those necessary for the
> conduct of the flight.
>
> (3) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this
> section may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training
> device that is—
>
> (i) Approved by the Administrator for landings; and
>
> (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
> training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
>
> (b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided
> in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in
> command of an aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning
> 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within
> the preceding 90 days that person has made at least three takeoffs and
> three landings to a full stop during the period beginning 1 hour after
> sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, and—
>
> (i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flight controls;
> and
>
> (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
> aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
> required).
>
> (2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this
> section may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is—
>
> (i) Approved by the Administrator for takeoffs and landings, if
> the visual system is adjusted to represent the period described in
> paragraph (b)(1) of this section; and
>
> (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
> training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
>
>

I bet you sit at the airport and check on people doing this.



Bertie

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Tina >
wrote:

>What is the definition of a takeoff and landing anyway?

It seems the FAA intentionally omitted those terms from the
Pilot/Controller Glossary:


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/ATpubs/PCG/index.htm

[Blueskies]

"Tina" > wrote in message ...
What is the definition of a takeoff and landing anyway? On a long
runway in a 172 one could land on the numbers, get below flying
speed, add throttle and lift off and repeat that sequence a number of
times in a single pass. Is each such touch and go an FAA recognized
landing and take off?



Sure, why not?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Tina >
> wrote:
>
>>What is the definition of a takeoff and landing anyway?
>
> It seems the FAA intentionally omitted those terms from the
> Pilot/Controller Glossary:
>


A netkkkop AND a conspirawhacko. YOu're a man of many talents, there,
Larry.

Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Mar 15, 8:30 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:13:27 -0400, Bob Noel
>
> > wrote:
> >In article >,
> > "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>
> >> > Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
> >> Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
> >> landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.
>
> >Day currency to carry passengers don't require full stop landings.
>
> The lighting conditions during the day may be superior to those at
> night, thus facilitating visually acquiring the location of the far
> end of the runway, so as to estimate whether there is sufficient
> runway remaining to conduct the takeoff phase of the touch and go
> maneuver.

Do you perchance work for the IRS or other extraneous gub'mnt agency?

If not, your talents for obfuscation are wasted here.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 15, 9:17 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Larry Dighera > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:36:23 -0600, "Neil Gould"
> > > wrote:
>
> >>Recently, Ron Garret > posted:
>
> >>> Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full
> >>> stop?
>
> >>Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
> >>landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.
>
> > Day full-stop landings for passenger carrying currency are only
> > required for tail-wheel aircraft:
>
> >http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=
> 477ffe5f8e7b7b
> > 7fc7d82953c1e69200&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2&idno=14
> > § 61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.
>
> > (a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of
> > this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft
> > carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one
> > pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three
> > takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and--
>
> > (i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight
> > controls; and
>
> > (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
> > aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
> > required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a
> > tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full
> > stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.
>
> > (2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph
> > (a)(1) of this section, a person may act as a pilot in command of an
> > aircraft under day VFR or day IFR, provided no persons or property are
> > carried on board the aircraft, other than those necessary for the
> > conduct of the flight.
>
> > (3) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this
> > section may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training
> > device that is--
>
> > (i) Approved by the Administrator for landings; and
>
> > (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
> > training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
>
> > (b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided
> > in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in
> > command of an aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning
> > 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within
> > the preceding 90 days that person has made at least three takeoffs and
> > three landings to a full stop during the period beginning 1 hour after
> > sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, and--
>
> > (i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flight controls;
> > and
>
> > (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
> > aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
> > required).
>
> > (2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this
> > section may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is--
>
> > (i) Approved by the Administrator for takeoffs and landings, if
> > the visual system is adjusted to represent the period described in
> > paragraph (b)(1) of this section; and
>
> > (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
> > training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
>
> I bet you sit at the airport and check on people doing this.
>
> Bertie

He should (if he doesn't) work for the IRS in the Sanctimonious
Buttmunchers Secftion.

Crikey, what a ******!

Larry "Never use a word where a paragraph will do" Dighera

[[email protected]]

On Mar 15, 8:40 am, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk At Wow Way
D0t C0m> wrote:
> "Ron Garret" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
> Because that's what in CFR part blah blah blah...
>
> If you are trying to make sense of the regulations, well, good luck...
>
> --
> Geoff
> The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

Nah, he just wanted to give Larry a chance to air out his tonsils in
the spirit of Christian brotherhood.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 15, 9:22 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Larry Dighera > wrote :
>
> > On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Tina >
> > wrote:
>
> >>What is the definition of a takeoff and landing anyway?
>
> > It seems the FAA intentionally omitted those terms from the
> > Pilot/Controller Glossary:
>
> A netkkkop AND a conspirawhacko. YOu're a man of many talents, there,
> Larry.
>
> Bertie

Define "man" and "talents" please Herr Bunyip.

Grazie.

Richard
(I believe using either and esp. both in the same sentence to describe
anything to do with Mr. D to be an example of faulty thinking).

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

wrote in
:



>
> He should (if he doesn't) work for the IRS in the Sanctimonious
> Buttmunchers Secftion.
>
> Crikey, what a ******!
>
> Larry "Never use a word where a paragraph will do" Dighera
>

Honestly.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

wrote in
:

> On Mar 15, 9:22 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Larry Dighera > wrote
>> :
>>
>> > On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Tina
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >>What is the definition of a takeoff and landing anyway?
>>
>> > It seems the FAA intentionally omitted those terms from the
>> > Pilot/Controller Glossary:
>>
>> A netkkkop AND a conspirawhacko. YOu're a man of many talents, there,
>> Larry.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Define "man" and "talents" please Herr Bunyip.
> #


in the facetious sense, of course.



> Grazie.
>
> Richard
> (I believe using either and esp. both in the same sentence to describe
> anything to do with Mr. D to be an example of faulty thinking).

True enough.


Bertie
>

[Stan Prevost]

"Airbus" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>
> It's true we can only surmise as to the wisdom behind the regulations.


Or that there is wisdom behind the regulations.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 15, 8:42 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:36:23 -0600, "Neil Gould"
>
> > wrote:
> >Recently, Ron Garret > posted:
>
> >> Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
> >Possibly because currency for carrying pax also requires full-stop
> >landings. Getting night currency satisfies both requirements.
>
> Day full-stop landings for passenger carrying currency are only
> required for tail-wheel aircraft:
>
> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=477ffe5f8e7b....
> § 61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.
>
> (a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of
> this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft
> carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one
> pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three
> takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and--
>
> (i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight
> controls; and
>
> (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
> aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
> required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a
> tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full
> stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.
>
> (2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph
> (a)(1) of this section, a person may act as a pilot in command of an
> aircraft under day VFR or day IFR, provided no persons or property are
> carried on board the aircraft, other than those necessary for the
> conduct of the flight.
>
> (3) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this
> section may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training
> device that is--
>
> (i) Approved by the Administrator for landings; and
>
> (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
> training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
>
> (b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided
> in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in
> command of an aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning
> 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within
> the preceding 90 days that person has made at least three takeoffs and
> three landings to a full stop during the period beginning 1 hour after
> sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, and--
>
> (i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flight controls;
> and
>
> (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an
> aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is
> required).
>
> (2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this
> section may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is--
>
> (i) Approved by the Administrator for takeoffs and landings, if
> the visual system is adjusted to represent the period described in
> paragraph (b)(1) of this section; and
>
> (ii) Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a
> training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

Doesn't seem to answer your OP, aye?

[[email protected]]

On Mar 15, 3:41*am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:58:48 -0700, Ron Garret >
> wrote:
>
> >Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
> Could it be because it may be difficult to see where the far end of
> the runway is located at night?

I think that's easier to see than during the daytime. It's all lit up
in red.

[Airbus[_4_]]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
>rg

It's true we can only surmise as to the wisdom behind the regulations.
I always assumed the night full-stop requirement was to ensure that night
currency also included night-time ground taxi currency, which is much
more complicated than day-time.

[buttman]

On Mar 16, 12:19 am, Airbus > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>
>
> >Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full stop?
>
> >rg
>
> It's true we can only surmise as to the wisdom behind the regulations.
> I always assumed the night full-stop requirement was to ensure that night
> currency also included night-time ground taxi currency, which is much
> more complicated than day-time.

If that were the case, then the regulations would exclude stop-and-
go's, which do not require any taxiing whatsoever.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

buttman > wrote in
:

> On Mar 16, 12:19 am, Airbus > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >Anyone know why landings for night currency have to be to a full
>> >stop?
>>
>> >rg
>>
>> It's true we can only surmise as to the wisdom behind the
>> regulations. I always assumed the night full-stop requirement was to
>> ensure that night currency also included night-time ground taxi
>> currency, which is much more complicated than day-time.
>
> If that were the case, then the regulations would exclude stop-and-
> go's, which do not require any taxiing whatsoever.


Yeah, right.

Bertie