Any PIREPS: Fredericksburg, Texas area?

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

We're planning to fly there Sunday, for a week of R&R.

Not sure if the weather will cooperate (it's always a crap shoot in spring),
but we're planning on spending a couple of days at the Hangar Hotel (the
only other aviation themed hotel I've found). I've heard "the hill area" of
Texas is quite beautiful, and that there is much to do there.

Any recommendations?

(Last time we launched for Texas, we ended up in Kitty Hawk, NC. Gotta love
the flexibility of GA... :-)

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Getting your Pireps on usenet? You're a moron.

Bertie

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On Mar 15, 8:44*am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> We're planning to fly there Sunday, for a week of R&R.
>
> Not sure if the weather will cooperate (it's always a crap shoot in spring),
> but we're planning on spending a couple of days at the Hangar Hotel (the
> only other aviation themed hotel I've found). *I've heard "the hill area" of
> Texas is quite beautiful, and that there is much to do there.
>
> Any recommendations?
>

Friedricksberg itself is fairly touristy. There's lots to do there in
that regard on the main street. You can visit the Nimitz Museum.
They've got a suprlus aircraft, including the kind Bush Sr. had to
ditch with ... can't remember the type. Dive bomber I believe with a
ball turrent on the back of the long canopy. They seem to have
expanded their exhibits pretty substantially since last I was there.

Friedricksburg's old graveyard is interesting. Lots of headstones in
German. On one of the German ones I read: "Murdered by Indians" 1840s,
I think.

There is an EXCELLENT vinyard just east of Friedricksburg on 290,
Becker Vinyards ( http://www.beckervineyards.com ). It's physically
located about 200 yards south west of the Stonewall VOR station. You
get to it by driving out 290 toward Austin, about 13 miles out, on
right. They let you sample all the wines and have tours of the
operation. Especially good is their Zinfandel, which you can only get
at the vinyard.

Also very close by in that easterly direction is Luckenbach, worth a
short visit. Beer and bbq & burgers and usually there's an ad-hoc
music jam happening. Lot's of bikers. Friendly folk.

In the same direction is LBJ state park. They give tours and that's
worthwhile, as they take you to LBJs house. Ladybird died recently,
but she used to come out and greet visitors from time to time.
Directly behind the house is a huge airstrip. Private,
unfortuanately ;)

You could fly up to Llano (~15 mins). They have a unicom and you can
ask for the courtesy car over that. They let people take that car in
for lunch at Cooper's BBQ.

Also just north of Freidricksburg, south of Llano, is Enchanted Rock
State Park. It's a granite batholith dome exposed by subsequent
erosion of limestone that was deposited over it when Texas was covered
by a shallow sea. The Comanche and Apache & others heard the rock
cracking and popping at night (cooling off) and figured it was
spirits, thus "enchanted". There used to be a plaque up there toward
the top where Texas Ranger Jack Hays was isolated and trapped by
Comanche or Lipan Apache. He held them off with pistol fire until
dark. If you go up there, you'll see it was a pretty exposed position
he had to be in, no trees or brush up there.

Inks Lake and Lake Buchanan are fun for fishing or rock hunting (lots
of igneous and metamorpic, sandstone and limestone). Hunting critters
is usually by arrangement on private land only.

There's lots of other stuff but that's a start.

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Oh yeah and I've mispelled Fredericksburg throughout above. ;)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

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>
> Oh yeah and I've mispelled Fredericksburg throughout above. ;)
>


Netkkkop

Bertie

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On Mar 15, 7:44*am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> We're planning to fly there Sunday, for a week of R&R.
>
> Not sure if the weather will cooperate (it's always a crap shoot in spring),
> but we're planning on spending a couple of days at the Hangar Hotel (the
> only other aviation themed hotel I've found). *I've heard "the hill area" of
> Texas is quite beautiful, and that there is much to do there.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> (Last time we launched for Texas, we ended up in Kitty Hawk, NC. *Gotta love
> the flexibility of GA... :-)
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Sockpuppet gives a pretty good summary. You should also consider
driving or flying down to San Antonio, if you haven't been there yet.
Also, make suure you eat at the Airport Diner at T82 - good food and
atmosphere.

Steve

[Harry[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:HoQCj.23743$TT4.995@attbi_s22...
> We're planning to fly there Sunday, for a week of R&R.
>
> Not sure if the weather will cooperate (it's always a crap shoot in
> spring), but we're planning on spending a couple of days at the Hangar
> Hotel (the only other aviation themed hotel I've found). I've heard "the
> hill area" of Texas is quite beautiful, and that there is much to do
> there.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> (Last time we launched for Texas, we ended up in Kitty Hawk, NC. Gotta
> love the flexibility of GA... :-)
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Jay, welcome to my part of the world :-).

We have flown into T82 many times usually to eat at the Airport Diner. The
diner has some strange hours so you'll be doing most of your eating off the
airport. We spent the night in the airport hotel for Valentine's Day. It is
a wonderful hotel and you are literally on the airport. In fact, you will
taxi your airplane right up to the hotel. The rooms are very clean. They
have a balcony off the second floor where you can leisurely sit and watch
acft land/take off. I presume you have checked out their web site.

There is a German restaurant towards the outskirts of town that has some
really great food and fantastic steaks. I don't recall the name of it but
when you drive into town from the airport, you will drive in on Hwy 16 (S.
Adams St). When you get to Main St, the main (no pun intended) drag through
town, turn left and go about 7 long blocks. It is located on the left where
Hwy 87 splits off from Hyw 290.

There are a lot of small places to eat in town that are mainly opened for
lunch. As someone else mentioned, it is primarily a tourist town with many
small shops. There is one shop that sells sauces, jams, cobbler, jellies,
chip and dip mixes, etc. What is really nice is that you can sample
everything they sell. Be careful, some of that hot sauce will really give
you a whole new meaning on life - HAHAHA.

You will definitely need a rental car. I understand the hotel staff can help
you arrange for one.

Someone else suggested flying up to Llano. As a frequent traveler to there,
I wholeheartedly concur. Cooper's is the best BBQ you will put your teeth
into in this part of the country (there are a lot of close seconds, but
Cooper's is the best).

Oh, one other thing that might be of interest, Just a few minutes (flying
time) from there is Kerrville (KERV). Mooney Acft has their plant there. We
went up about a year or so ago and had a tour of the place. You might want
to contact them and see if you can arrange a tour if you have the time. It
was very fascinating.

Hope some of that helps.

Harry
San Antonio

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Hope some of that helps.

Thanks Harry, et al.

As it turns out, the weather is looking like it's going to favor heading to
Florida FIRST, then on to Texas later in the week. So, tomorrow we're off
to Pensacola first, then over and down to Clearwater/St. Pete to soak up
some rays.

We might make it to Fredericksburg later in the week... Your posts were
most helpful!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave S]

Jay...
If you have a day to fly out/around, I HIGHLY recommend hopping over
to New Braunsfels (KBAZ i think) and taking a cab/rent a car to the
Grist Mill in "old town Gruene" (pronounced GREEN). New B has grown out
to encompass the former town of Gruene and is a tourist trap. The town
and the Guadelupe River basin is a popular spot for tubing and rafting.
Rapids are pretty tame, navigable in an inner tube, which people rent
for a day on the water.

If you make a whole day trip out of it, Id say "float the river" then
eat at the Grist Mill. Bring sunblock. Rockin R is an outfitter near the
Grist Mill and Gruene. I've used em before, and would again. In your
situation, its prolly the most convenient of the large outfitters.

The Grist Mill is a signature establishment built on the cliff's
overlooking the river. Great Food.. Great Scenery.. Usually a line..
Next door is Gruene Hall.. an OLD wood frame dance hall.. George Strait
lives down the road and pops in from time to time to play. So do many
other up and coming Texas Country artists.

And if you go on my day off, I might even be willing to ride my
motorcycle a few hours to come say hi from Houston. But only if thats
acceptable on family vacations.. its not the same as dropping by on the
north 40.

Dave

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We're planning to fly there Sunday, for a week of R&R.
>
> Not sure if the weather will cooperate (it's always a crap shoot in
> spring), but we're planning on spending a couple of days at the Hangar
> Hotel (the only other aviation themed hotel I've found). I've heard
> "the hill area" of Texas is quite beautiful, and that there is much to
> do there.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> (Last time we launched for Texas, we ended up in Kitty Hawk, NC. Gotta
> love the flexibility of GA... :-)
>
> Thanks!

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On Mar 15, 2:23*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> wrote in news:d5b7fec7-a530-4c8e-9e58-3bcf562c90b5
> @a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Oh yeah and I've mispelled Fredericksburg throughout above. ;)
>
> Netkkkop
>
> Bertie

And on myself no less!

I'd better beat a retreat to my signle malt scotch and shaddup.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

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> On Mar 15, 2:23*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> wrote in
>> news:d5b7fec7-a530-4c8e-9e58-3bcf562c90b5
>> @a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Oh yeah and I've mispelled Fredericksburg throughout above. ;)
>>
>> Netkkkop
>>
>> Bertie
>
> And on myself no less!
>


How low can you get?

> I'd better beat a retreat to my signle malt scotch and shaddup.
>

You mis-spelled single.



Bertie

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On Mar 16, 11:05*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> wrote :
>
> > On Mar 15, 2:23*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> wrote in
> >> news:d5b7fec7-a530-4c8e-9e58-3bcf562c90b5
> >> @a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > Oh yeah and I've mispelled Fredericksburg throughout above. ;)
>
> >> Netkkkop
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > And on myself no less!
>
> How low can you get?
>
> > I'd better beat a retreat to my signle malt scotch and shaddup.
>
> You mis-spelled single.
>
> Bertie

You mean "misspelled" ...

Jeezuz -- I need counseling.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

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> On Mar 16, 11:05*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> wrote
>> innews:e5ab06bc-c747-4f34-aa69-924e7fb9bbb4@n
> 75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Mar 15, 2:23*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> wrote in
>> >> news:d5b7fec7-a530-4c8e-9e58-3bcf562c90b5
>> >> @a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> > Oh yeah and I've mispelled Fredericksburg throughout above. ;)
>>
>> >> Netkkkop
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > And on myself no less!
>>
>> How low can you get?
>>
>> > I'd better beat a retreat to my signle malt scotch and shaddup.
>>
>> You mis-spelled single.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You mean "misspelled" ...
>
> Jeezuz -- I need counseling.
>

Or you could just let Lar pull bottom rung and take solace form the fact
you're not the worst.


Bertie

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On Mar 15, 5:51 pm, "Harry" > wrote:

> Someone else suggested flying up to Llano. As a frequent traveler to there,
> I wholeheartedly concur. Cooper's is the best BBQ you will put your teeth
> into in this part of the country (there are a lot of close seconds, but
> Cooper's is the best).

Coopers is one of the "close seconds".

Nobody in Texas beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in Luling,
TX (just southeast of San Marcos)

http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Writeup.aspx?ReviewID=583&RefID=583

Luling even has a little airstrip (T91) a few miles north of town,
and there is supposed to be a taxicab service (Luling Cab
830-875-1222) in town so you might be able to get a ride from the
airport to go eat BBQ. I've only ever driven to Luling, and never yet
landed there in a plane and tried to call a cab yet, but plan to fly
there and see how that works sometime in the next few weeks for a BBQ
run.


There is an unrelated, commercialized BBQ place called "Luling City
Market" in Houston, that stole the name. Never ate there, but I think
they must be *******s for trying to capitalize on someone else's
famous name.

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On Mar 15, 8:50 pm, Dave S > wrote:
>
> If you make a whole day trip out of it, Id say "float the river" then
> eat at the Grist Mill. Bring sunblock. Rockin R is an outfitter near the
> Grist Mill and Gruene. I've used em before, and would again. In your
> situation, its prolly the most convenient of the large outfitters.

You gotta be nuts to want to tube down the Guadalupe this time of
year. You'll freeze your balls off.
Wait until summer when the OAT is at least in the 90's and the water
temp coming out of the bottom of the Canyon Lake dam will at least be
up into the upper 50's degrees F.

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

> wrote:

> Coopers is one of the "close seconds".
>
> Nobody in Texas beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in Luling,
> TX (just southeast of San Marcos)
>

*Nobody* in Texas?

Hmmm...that's a bold claim.

The City Market is the best I've found, I'll say that much.

You're making me homesick. Barbeque in Alabama --or anywhere else I've had
it in the Deep South-- is a sad joke.

--
Dan

T-182T at 4R4

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On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
> > wrote:
> > Coopers is one of the "close seconds".
>
> > Nobody in Texas beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in Luling,
> > TX (just southeast of San Marcos)
>
> *Nobody* in Texas?
>
> Hmmm...that's a bold claim.

Oops, you're right.... my bad....

I shouldn't have put the "in Texas" constraint on there. I've fixed it
now:

"Nobody (period) beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in
Luling, TX"

;-)


--
rm
(half German, half Irish -- ALL Texan)

[Dave S]

wrote:

> Wait until summer when the OAT is at least in the 90's and the water
> temp coming out of the bottom of the Canyon Lake dam will at least be
> up into the upper 50's degrees F.

The water coming out the bottom of the dam stays in the 50-53 degree
range year round - I've been in it, in wetsuit, and I've dove to the
bottom of Canyon Lake before. River temp close to 70 degrees by the time
you get to Gruene crossing. And besides.. after a few beers, you dont
shiver as much anymore!! <grin>

We had an 86 degree day last weekend. Why wait til REAL summer temps in
the triple digits hit.

But hey.. the original recommendation was just to hit the Grist Mill..
thats worth it alone in my book... specially for an out of towner.

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On Mar 17, 2:24*pm, wrote:
> On Mar 17, 1:16 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
>
> > > wrote:
> > > Coopers is one of the "close seconds".
>
> > > Nobody in Texas beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in Luling,
> > > TX *(just southeast of San Marcos)
>
> > *Nobody* in Texas?
>
> > Hmmm...that's a bold claim.
>
> Oops, you're right.... my bad....
>
> I shouldn't have put the "in Texas" constraint on there. I've fixed it
> now:
>
> "Nobody (period) beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in
> Luling, TX"
>
> ;-)
>
> --
> rm
> (half German, half Irish -- ALL Texan)

Nah, it ain't top on my list. There's so much good BBQ in Texas it's
pretty much impossible to put one joint at the very top. Lots of times
the very best of the best will be at one tiny store on one particular
day (let's not delude ourselves: each day the meat is different and so
was the smoking process). I've had unbelievable BBQ at one place one
day and you go back a week later an it's only okay.

Its been awhile since I ate at City Market. But it wasn't tops then.
However this reminds me about it and I have to go try again.

Regarding the post above about T91 that airstrip is near abandoned. I
don't even know if there's a phone line out there. Not sure if even a
single soul flys out of there. Better have a cell phone and be patient!

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 17, 2:16 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
> > wrote:
> > Coopers is one of the "close seconds".
>
> > Nobody in Texas beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in Luling,
> > TX (just southeast of San Marcos)
>
> *Nobody* in Texas?
>
> Hmmm...that's a bold claim.
>
> The City Market is the best I've found, I'll say that much.
>
> You're making me homesick. Barbeque in Alabama --or anywhere else I've had
> it in the Deep South-- is a sad joke.
>
> --
> Dan
>
> T-182T at 4R4

Surely you don't mean to impugn the honor of that wonderful concoction
known as Carolina BBQ???


Dan Mc

[Highflyer]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> On Mar 17, 2:16 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
>> > wrote:
>> > Coopers is one of the "close seconds".
>>
>> > Nobody in Texas beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in Luling,
>> > TX (just southeast of San Marcos)
>>
>> *Nobody* in Texas?
>>
>> Hmmm...that's a bold claim.
>>
>> The City Market is the best I've found, I'll say that much.
>>
>> You're making me homesick. Barbeque in Alabama --or anywhere else I've
>> had
>> it in the Deep South-- is a sad joke.
>>
>> --
>> Dan
>>
>> T-182T at 4R4
>
> Surely you don't mean to impugn the honor of that wonderful concoction
> known as Carolina BBQ???
>
>
> Dan Mc

Everyone knows the BEST BBQ of all it at the rec.aviation flyin in
Pinckneyville, Illinois. This annual bash is May 16, 17, and 18th this
year. For some feel of what the flyin is like see the faq at
http://www.ousterhout.net/pjy-faq.html . If you plan to drop in this year
drop Mary an email at so she knows how many groceries to
buy.

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport PJY

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On Mar 18, 11:12*am, Dan > wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2:16 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > wrote:
> > > Coopers is one of the "close seconds".
>
> > > Nobody in Texas beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in Luling,
> > > TX *(just southeast of San Marcos)
>
> > *Nobody* in Texas?
>
> > Hmmm...that's a bold claim.
>
> > The City Market is the best I've found, I'll say that much.
>
> > You're making me homesick. *Barbeque in Alabama --or anywhere else I've had
> > it in the Deep South-- is a sad joke.
>
> > --
> > Dan
>
> > T-182T at 4R4
>
> Surely you don't mean to impugn the honor of that wonderful concoction
> known as Carolina BBQ???
>
> Dan Mc- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I believe he has. ;)

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Dan" wrote:

>
> Surely you don't mean to impugn the honor of that wonderful concoction
> known as Carolina BBQ???

I cannot offer direct testimony, your honor: never had it there.

Judging by Alabama and Georgia BBQ, I don't have high hopes for the Carolina
version, but I am willing to be convinced it's fit to eat. You buying? ;^)

My problem with Deep South BBQ is that it's based on pork. Hell, *anybody*
can make pig taste good. It take real artistry to turn a beef brisket into
something delectable to eat. And don't get me started about that thin,
vinegary sauce they use down here...

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Highflyer" wrote:

> Everyone knows the BEST BBQ of all it at the rec.aviation flyin in
> Pinckneyville, Illinois.

You said a mouthful, John! ;)

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 20, 12:34 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
> "Dan" wrote:
>
> > Surely you don't mean to impugn the honor of that wonderful concoction
> > known as Carolina BBQ???
>
> I cannot offer direct testimony, your honor: never had it there.
>
> Judging by Alabama and Georgia BBQ, I don't have high hopes for the Carolina
> version, but I am willing to be convinced it's fit to eat. You buying? ;^)
>
> My problem with Deep South BBQ is that it's based on pork. Hell, *anybody*
> can make pig taste good. It take real artistry to turn a beef brisket into
> something delectable to eat. And don't get me started about that thin,
> vinegary sauce they use down here...
>
> --
> Dan
> T-182T at BFM

I'll buy -- there's a place south of Dahlgren, VA that's a converted
garage (Crazy Rays) that makes awesome Carolina style -- and yes, with
the vinegar based sauce.

I'll agree that most pork BBQ is a transport mechanism for the desired
sauce.

I've found brisket is hard to get consistent, even from very good BBQ
places. There's a place in Corpus Christi (Motorheads?) that has
awesome brisket -- until the last time I was there.

Too many variables, I suppose.


Dan Mc

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

> wrote:

>
> "Nobody (period) beats the BBQ of the original "City Market" in
> Luling, TX"
>
> ;-)
>

Maybe. Have you tried 'em *all* in Texas? How about Carl's at EYQ in
Houston?

I've heard rumors that barely passable BBQ can be had in Kansas City. Can
any Texans here confirm or deny?

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Dan" wrote:

>
> I'll buy -- there's a place south of Dahlgren, VA that's a converted
> garage (Crazy Rays) that makes awesome Carolina style -- and yes, with
> the vinegar based sauce.
>
> I'll agree that most pork BBQ is a transport mechanism for the desired
> sauce.
>
> I've found brisket is hard to get consistent, even from very good BBQ
> places. There's a place in Corpus Christi (Motorheads?) that has
> awesome brisket -- until the last time I was there.
>
> Too many variables, I suppose.

Truth. A lot of the art is in choosing the "canvas."

If you're ever flying to Houston, make a stop at EYQ. Carl's BBQ is right
by the approach end of RWY 9 and a good place to munch a fine plate of beef
while watching landings.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 20, 4:11 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:

>
> If you're ever flying to Houston, make a stop at EYQ. Carl's BBQ is right
> by the approach end of RWY 9 and a good place to munch a fine plate of beef
> while watching landings.
>
> --
> Dan
> T-182T at BFM

I will have to plan on that -- I can think of nothing finer than
watching airplanes and eating good BBQ, all at the same time.


Dan Mc