The smallest jet aircraft in the world - BD-5J (homebuilt)

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BD-5 - the smallest jet aircraft in the world created in the 1960s by
Jim Bede - US aircraft designer.
read more ... http://onlythemost.blogspot.com/2008/03/smallest-jet-aircraft-in-world-bd-5j.html

[Fred the Red Shirt]

On Mar 19, 7:21 am, wrote:
> BD-5 - the smallest jet aircraft in the world created in the 1960s by
> Jim Bede - US aircraft designer.
> read more ...http://onlythemost.blogspot.com/2008/03/smallest-jet-aircraft-in-worl...

It is not the smallest jet aircraft.

It is the Guiness Book record holder for smallest human
piloted jet aircraft.

However, the smallest human piloted jet aircraft ever flown
is a jet powered version of the Cri cri, described near the
bottom here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CriCri

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FF

[Fred the Red Shirt]

On Mar 19, 3:56 pm, (Drew Dalgleish)
wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred the Red Shirt
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Mar 19, 7:21 am, wrote:
> >> BD-5 - the smallest jet aircraft in the world created in the 1960s by
> >> Jim Bede - US aircraft designer.
> >> read more ...http://onlythemost.blogspot.com/2008/03/smallest-jet-aircraft-in-worl...
>
> >It is not the smallest jet aircraft.
>
> >It is the Guiness Book record holder for smallest human
> >piloted jet aircraft.
>
> >However, the smallest human piloted jet aircraft ever flown
> >is a jet powered version of the Cri cri, described near the
> >bottom here:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CriCri
>
> >--
>
> >FF
>
> That's not small check out the jet-man. He just needs to work on his
> landings.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-66AcTo9TU

I think you are right.

Oh, and the Cri cri is the lightest human piloted jet to have flown,
the BD-5 is shorter and thus smaller by that measure. IIRC
the Juan Dart holds the record because it is a small as any
other BD-5 and lighter than the others by virtue of omitting
components needed for self-starting. The Guiness Book
people evidently do not require that it be flown in that
configuration to hold the record, which strikes me as peculiar.

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FF

[Drew Dalgleish]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred the Red Shirt
> wrote:

>On Mar 19, 7:21 am, wrote:
>> BD-5 - the smallest jet aircraft in the world created in the 1960s by
>> Jim Bede - US aircraft designer.
>> read more ...http://onlythemost.blogspot.com/2008/03/smallest-jet-aircraft-in-worl...
>
>It is not the smallest jet aircraft.
>
>It is the Guiness Book record holder for smallest human
>piloted jet aircraft.
>
>However, the smallest human piloted jet aircraft ever flown
>is a jet powered version of the Cri cri, described near the
>bottom here:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CriCri
>
>--
>
>FF
>
That's not small check out the jet-man. He just needs to work on his
landings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-66AcTo9TU

[Scott[_1_]]

wrote:
> BD-5 - the smallest jet aircraft in the world created in the 1960s by
> Jim Bede - US aircraft designer.
> read more ... http://onlythemost.blogspot.com/2008/03/smallest-jet-aircraft-in-world-bd-5j.html

Bull****! This jet is smaller than a BD-5J.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-66AcTo9TU

Scott

[Anthony W]

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

> Oh, and the Cri cri is the lightest human piloted jet to have flown,
> the BD-5 is shorter and thus smaller by that measure. IIRC
> the Juan Dart holds the record because it is a small as any
> other BD-5 and lighter than the others by virtue of omitting
> components needed for self-starting. The Guiness Book
> people evidently do not require that it be flown in that
> configuration to hold the record, which strikes me as peculiar.

Could the record be snatched away buy putting a couple of those mini
turbines on something like a Mitchell Wing?

Tony

[Anthony W]

Scott wrote:

> Bull****! This jet is smaller than a BD-5J.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-66AcTo9TU
>
> Scott

I don't know if that guy is more brave or insane but it sure looks like fun.

Tony

[Scott[_1_]]

Anthony W wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>
>> Bull****! This jet is smaller than a BD-5J.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-66AcTo9TU
>>
>> Scott
>
>
> I don't know if that guy is more brave or insane but it sure looks like
> fun.
>
> Tony

I might try it once. Actually, once is probably the only chance I'd get
;) Nah, I'll stick to the little Continentals...

Scott

[Fred the Red Shirt]

On Mar 19, 8:43 pm, Anthony W > wrote:
> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>
> > Oh, and the Cri cri is the lightest human piloted jet to have flown,
> > the BD-5 is shorter and thus smaller by that measure. IIRC
> > the Juan Dart holds the record because it is a small as any
> > other BD-5 and lighter than the others by virtue of omitting
> > components needed for self-starting. The Guiness Book
> > people evidently do not require that it be flown in that
> > configuration to hold the record, which strikes me as peculiar.
>
> Could the record be snatched away buy putting a couple of those mini
> turbines on something like a Mitchell Wing?

See elswhere in this thread for soemthign like that.

There is also a guy who flew horizontal for 30 seconds
or so in what I'd call a 'flying squirrel suit', a jump suit
with fabric webs between the arms and legs and jets
on his boots.

>

The guy with the cri cri coudl do it by taking the tail off.

There is no requirement that the plane actually fly,.

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FF

[Anthony W]

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

> The guy with the cri cri coudl do it by taking the tail off.
>
> There is no requirement that the plane actually fly,.
>
> FF

The guy with the Cri Cri has something wuan lacks, integrity. I'll bet
he won't take the tail off for that reason alone.

If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)

Tony

[Richard Isakson]

"Anthony W" wrote ...

> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)

There's already been a turbine powered Mitchell wing.

Rich

[Fred the Red Shirt]

On Mar 20, 1:50 pm, Anthony W > wrote:
> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>
> > The guy with the cri cri could do it by taking the tail off.
>
> > There is no requirement that the plane actually fly,.
>
> > FF
>
> The guy with the Cri Cri has something wuan lacks, integrity. I'll bet
> he won't take the tail off for that reason alone.
>
> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)
>

That has been done, see the link elsewhere in this thread.
I don't know if it was a Mitchel wing. It was a rigid wing.

It might not count as he it take off from the ground, but then
again, neither has the Juan Dart.

I'm more inclined to criticize the folks at Guiness than I am
Mr Jimenez. But it's more entertaining to poke fun at
the latter.

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FF

[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

Anthony W wrote:
> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>
>> The guy with the cri cri coudl do it by taking the tail off.
>>
>> There is no requirement that the plane actually fly,.
>>
>> FF
>
>
> The guy with the Cri Cri has something wuan lacks, integrity. I'll bet
> he won't take the tail off for that reason alone.
>
> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)
>
> Tony

You might want to check the price on those tiny turbines first...

[Anthony W]

Richard Isakson wrote:
> "Anthony W" wrote ...
>
>> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
>> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
>> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)
>
> There's already been a turbine powered Mitchell wing.
>
> Rich

Isn't it smaller than lawn dart's BD5j?

Tony

[Anthony W]

cavelamb himself wrote:
> Anthony W wrote:
>> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>>
>>> The guy with the cri cri coudl do it by taking the tail off.
>>>
>>> There is no requirement that the plane actually fly,.
>>>
>>> FF
>>
>>
>> The guy with the Cri Cri has something wuan lacks, integrity. I'll
>> bet he won't take the tail off for that reason alone.
>>
>> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
>> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
>> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)
>>
>> Tony
>
> You might want to check the price on those tiny turbines first...

I have and this isn't about money it's about what I'd do if I had the
money... ;o) Also the Mitchell U2 has always fascinated me.

Tony

[Al G[_1_]]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
om...
> "Anthony W" wrote ...
>
>> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
>> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
>> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)
>
> There's already been a turbine powered Mitchell wing.
>
> Rich
>
>

Well, the piston version hasn't done too bad:

Record Task: Altitude (Without Payload)

Start City: Colorado Springs, CO
Finish City:
Performance: 25942 feet (7907 meters)
Class, Subclass, Classification, Group: C, C-1, a/o, I (Piston)
Record Holder(s):
Richard J. Rowley

Date of record: 9/17/1983
Aircraft Make and Model: Mitchell U-2 Superwing
Engine Make and Model: Cuyuna 430D



Al G

[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

Anthony W wrote:

> cavelamb himself wrote:
>
>> Anthony W wrote:
>>
>>> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>>>
>>>> The guy with the cri cri coudl do it by taking the tail off.
>>>>
>>>> There is no requirement that the plane actually fly,.
>>>>
>>>> FF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The guy with the Cri Cri has something wuan lacks, integrity. I'll
>>> bet he won't take the tail off for that reason alone.
>>>
>>> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
>>> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
>>> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)
>>>
>>> Tony
>>
>>
>> You might want to check the price on those tiny turbines first...
>
>
> I have and this isn't about money it's about what I'd do if I had the
> money... ;o) Also the Mitchell U2 has always fascinated me.
>
> Tony

Fair enough.

It cost nothing to dream...

Richard

[Fred the Red Shirt]

On Mar 20, 10:05 pm, "Al G" > wrote:
> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
>
> om...
>
> > "Anthony W" wrote ...
>
> >> If I were a much shorter (not to mention thiner) man, I would build a
> >> Mitchell U2 with a 4 pack of those tiny turbines. It would take the
> >> record and look like the space shuttle from behind. ;o)
>
> > There's already been a turbine powered Mitchell wing.
>
> > Rich
>
> Well, the piston version hasn't done too bad:
>
> Record Task: Altitude (Without Payload)
>
> Start City: Colorado Springs, CO
> Finish City:
> Performance: 25942 feet (7907 meters)
> Class, Subclass, Classification, Group: C, C-1, a/o, I (Piston)
> Record Holder(s):
> Richard J. Rowley
>
> Date of record: 9/17/1983
> Aircraft Make and Model: Mitchell U-2 Superwing
> Engine Make and Model: Cuyuna 430D
>


THAT MItchel Wing is much heavier than a Cri cri
and has a longer wingspan, though the fuselage,
such as it is, may be shorter.

IIRC Cri cri is about a hundred pounds under the FAR 103
wieght limit though of course the stall and max speed are
out of the range.

Neither the U2 or B10 are light enough for FAR 103, though
last I heard there is a prototype ultralight version not
currently flying or fully assembled. I don;t recall if it
was completed and flown then disassembled or what.

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FF

[wright1902glider]

On Mar 20, 6:32*pm, Fred the Red Shirt >
wrote:
> On Mar 20, 10:05 pm, "Al *G" > wrote:
>
> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
>
> om...
>
> > > "Anthony W" wrote ...
>
IIRC *Cri cri is about a hundred pounds under the FAR 103
> wieght limit though of course the stall and max speed are
> out of the range.
>
> Neither the U2 or B10 are light enough for FAR 103, though
> last I heard there is a prototype ultralight version not
> currently flying or fully assembled. *I don;t recall if it
> was completed and flown then disassembled or what.


For that matter, why not just bolt a pair of AMT's to the kingpost of
a Wills Wing. Eight good steps on a decent slope and you're airborne.
Ease the throttle open, ease the bar out, climb out, **** off the
gaggle of paraglider pilots circling overhead, earn a lifetime ban
from the launch site. Oh yeah, somebody will probably call the cops
and the FAA. No problem being part 103 legal, but somebody will still
try to pick a bone with you. BUT, I'm sure it would qualify for some
sort of record.

Harry