Beech Staggerwing

[William Hung[_2_]]

Beech Staggerwing. Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have doors
on bothsides of the cabin?

Wil

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Mar 22, 11:31*am, William Hung > wrote:
> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have doors
> on bothsides of the cabin?
>
> Wil

Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

William Hung > wrote in news:204703ab-6dee-48eb-9448-
:

> Beech Staggerwing. Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have doors
> on bothsides of the cabin?
>
> Wil
>

Most don;t, but there were a few specials that did for ambulance or
military work. The main door is very big and there's plenty of room between
the front seats just to step between them.


Bertie

[Philippe Vessaire]

William Hung wrote:

>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
>> doors on bothsides of the cabin?

> Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?

http://www.griffon-aerospace.com/lionheart.html

--
Volem rien foutre al païs!
Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

William Hung > wrote in news:bba1909c-a841-48a4-9a8e-
:

> On Mar 22, 11:31*am, William Hung > wrote:
>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
doors
>> on bothsides of the cabin?
>>
>> Wil
>
> Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?

There's a guy selling plans for the A/R airplanes (fixed gear) but
nobody's building one AFAIK. It looks like a pipedream, really. It;'s
the kind of deal that makes getting an airplane built for you a really
bad idea, I think.
The staggerwing is a really complicated airplane. The fuselage is a
seriously complex structure, for instance, as are the wings. and it
would probably cost you a lot more to build one than buy one from
scratch.


Bertie

[John Godwin]

William Hung > wrote in

m:

> Beech Staggerwing. Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
> doors on bothsides of the cabin?

IIRC, there is only one door in the rear on the port side.

--

[Ed Sullivan]

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>William Hung > wrote in news:bba1909c-a841-48a4-9a8e-
:
>
>> On Mar 22, 11:31*am, William Hung > wrote:
>>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
>doors
>>> on bothsides of the cabin?
>>>
>>> Wil
>>
>> Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>
>There's a guy selling plans for the A/R airplanes (fixed gear) but
>nobody's building one AFAIK. It looks like a pipedream, really. It;'s
>the kind of deal that makes getting an airplane built for you a really
>bad idea, I think.
>The staggerwing is a really complicated airplane. The fuselage is a
>seriously complex structure, for instance, as are the wings. and it
>would probably cost you a lot more to build one than buy one from
>scratch.
>
>
>Berti

We had one naked, a bank repo hanging in our EAA hangar for about a
year. The fuselage didn't look that complex, but the wings had about a
million ribs. I imagine the headaches would be in the details and
systems.

Ed Sullivan

[John[_1_]]

On Mar 22, 2:08*pm, Philippe Vessaire > wrote:
> William Hung wrote:
> >> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
> >> doors on bothsides of the cabin?
> > Oh Yeah, one more question. *Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>
> http://www.griffon-aerospace.com/lionheart.html
>
> --
> Volem rien foutre al païs!
> * * Philippe Vessaire *Ò¿Ó¬

Sadly, the Lionnheart is no more. I was really excited about this
aircraft when it was announced. But there was one, possibly two
crashes of the only half-dozen planes flying. In one case I recall,
one of the airplanes was lost during landing on its first flight.
Apparently there were some side loads on the main gear that caused it
to fail and the plane slid down the runway, and caught fire. The
pilot got out (though his spouse was reportedly there and made
him. .. . on the spot . . promise no more ideas like that). I
remember some discussion of potential weakness in the gear and why the
pilot elected to make the first flight with full tanks. Reportedly,
the composite airframe burned to the ground leaving ash, some debris
and a radial engine.

Kitplanes did a pilot report on it and I recall some comments about
yaw and some difficulty seeing around the nose during ground ops..
BUT, we are talking about a prototype and I suspect that some clever
work could have addressed both issues at least to some degree.
Barring those kinds of things, it was one of the most beautiful
airplanes ever . .. I would have loved to had debugged one.

Take care . . .

John

[Roger[_4_]]

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>William Hung > wrote in news:bba1909c-a841-48a4-9a8e-
:
>
>> On Mar 22, 11:31*am, William Hung > wrote:
>>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
>doors
>>> on bothsides of the cabin?
>>>
>>> Wil
>>
>> Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>
>There's a guy selling plans for the A/R airplanes (fixed gear) but
>nobody's building one AFAIK. It looks like a pipedream, really. It;'s
>the kind of deal that makes getting an airplane built for you a really
>bad idea, I think.
>The staggerwing is a really complicated airplane. The fuselage is a
>seriously complex structure, for instance, as are the wings. and it
>would probably cost you a lot more to build one than buy one from
>scratch.
>
There's one locally, scratch built, developed his own plans by taking
measurements and photos. Took over 30 years to build. I have some
photos of it some where. IF I can find them I'll put a couple up on
my web site. I had it on our chapter news letter some years back.

Beautiful bright yellow airplane.
>
>Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[John Kimmel]

http://www.ultralightnews.com/plansbuyerguide/images/beach-boy.jpg

--
John Kimmel


I think it will be quiet around here now. So long.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Roger > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>William Hung > wrote in news:bba1909c-a841-48a4-
9a8e-
:
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 11:31*am, William Hung > wrote:
>>>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
>>doors
>>>> on bothsides of the cabin?
>>>>
>>>> Wil
>>>
>>> Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>>
>>There's a guy selling plans for the A/R airplanes (fixed gear) but
>>nobody's building one AFAIK. It looks like a pipedream, really. It;'s
>>the kind of deal that makes getting an airplane built for you a really
>>bad idea, I think.
>>The staggerwing is a really complicated airplane. The fuselage is a
>>seriously complex structure, for instance, as are the wings. and it
>>would probably cost you a lot more to build one than buy one from
>>scratch.
>>
> There's one locally, scratch built, developed his own plans by taking
> measurements and photos. Took over 30 years to build. I have some
> photos of it some where. IF I can find them I'll put a couple up on
> my web site. I had it on our chapter news letter some years back.
>
> Beautiful bright yellow airplane.
>>

It's not the scald own one that was on barnstormers a while back is it?
Nice looking airplane. He was selling it sans engine last time I saw it.


Bertie

[Roger[_4_]]

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:17:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>Roger > wrote in
:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>William Hung > wrote in news:bba1909c-a841-48a4-
>9a8e-
:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 22, 11:31*am, William Hung > wrote:
>>>>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
>>>doors
>>>>> on bothsides of the cabin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wil
>>>>
>>>> Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>>>
>>>There's a guy selling plans for the A/R airplanes (fixed gear) but
>>>nobody's building one AFAIK. It looks like a pipedream, really. It;'s
>>>the kind of deal that makes getting an airplane built for you a really
>>>bad idea, I think.
>>>The staggerwing is a really complicated airplane. The fuselage is a
>>>seriously complex structure, for instance, as are the wings. and it
>>>would probably cost you a lot more to build one than buy one from
>>>scratch.
>>>
>> There's one locally, scratch built, developed his own plans by taking
>> measurements and photos. Took over 30 years to build. I have some
>> photos of it some where. IF I can find them I'll put a couple up on
>> my web site. I had it on our chapter news letter some years back.
>>
>> Beautiful bright yellow airplane.
>>>
>
>It's not the scald own one that was on barnstormers a while back is it?
>Nice looking airplane. He was selling it sans engine last time I saw it.

It is a 7/8 scale, but I don't think this is it. Do you have an N #?
I'd dig back through my archives to try and find a photo with the
N# of the one built in Saginaw MI. Builders first name was Rex, but
I've forgotten the last name.

As the "archives" are over 35,000 images I have a bit of searching to
do. I really need multiple indexing and filing for them.

>
>
>Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Roger > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:17:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>Roger > wrote in
:
>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>William Hung > wrote in news:bba1909c-a841-48a4-
>>9a8e-
:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 22, 11:31*am, William Hung > wrote:
>>>>>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
>>>>doors
>>>>>> on bothsides of the cabin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wil
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh Yeah, one more question. Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>>>>
>>>>There's a guy selling plans for the A/R airplanes (fixed gear) but
>>>>nobody's building one AFAIK. It looks like a pipedream, really.
It;'s
>>>>the kind of deal that makes getting an airplane built for you a
really
>>>>bad idea, I think.
>>>>The staggerwing is a really complicated airplane. The fuselage is a
>>>>seriously complex structure, for instance, as are the wings. and it
>>>>would probably cost you a lot more to build one than buy one from
>>>>scratch.
>>>>
>>> There's one locally, scratch built, developed his own plans by
taking
>>> measurements and photos. Took over 30 years to build. I have some
>>> photos of it some where. IF I can find them I'll put a couple up on
>>> my web site. I had it on our chapter news letter some years back.
>>>
>>> Beautiful bright yellow airplane.
>>>>
>>
>>It's not the scald own one that was on barnstormers a while back is
it?
>>Nice looking airplane. He was selling it sans engine last time I saw
it.
>
> It is a 7/8 scale, but I don't think this is it. Do you have an N #?
> I'd dig back through my archives to try and find a photo with the
> N# of the one built in Saginaw MI. Builders first name was Rex, but
> I've forgotten the last name.

No N#. the one I saw was on Barnstormers, or maybe Ebay. Maybe a bout a
year ago? It was a very nice looking job. I think it had a 225 Jake in
it. It came up for sale again, this time without an engine. The Michigan
address rings a bell actually, but I can't be sure. It was definitely
yellow.



Bertie

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-03-22 21:04:35 -0700, John > said:

> On Mar 22, 2:08*pm, Philippe Vessaire > wrote:
>> William Hung wrote:
>>>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
>>>> doors on bothsides of the cabin?
>>> Oh Yeah, one more question. *Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>>
>> http://www.griffon-aerospace.com/lionheart.html
>>
>> --
>> Volem rien foutre al païs!
>> * * Philippe Vessaire *Ò¿Ó¬
>
> Sadly, the Lionnheart is no more. I was really excited about this
> aircraft when it was announced. But there was one, possibly two
> crashes of the only half-dozen planes flying. In one case I recall,
> one of the airplanes was lost during landing on its first flight.
> Apparently there were some side loads on the main gear that caused it
> to fail and the plane slid down the runway, and caught fire. The
> pilot got out (though his spouse was reportedly there and made
> him. .. . on the spot . . promise no more ideas like that). I
> remember some discussion of potential weakness in the gear and why the
> pilot elected to make the first flight with full tanks. Reportedly,
> the composite airframe burned to the ground leaving ash, some debris
> and a radial engine.

I saw that accident at Bremerton Airport. The pilot had put more than
$450,000 into the plane; no insurance. I was standing next to his wife
when it happened. She thought he had been killed. When the plane
erupted in flames you could not see him get out. The fire started at
the right wing root and quickly spread to the whole plane. His only
injury was a minor cut on his thumb. He landed in a 9 knot left
quartering tailwind. The gear were bolted directly to the fuel tank, so
when it gave way it tore out the bottom of the fuel tank. There was
nothing left of the plane.

It was one of the most beautiful planes I have ever seen. Unlike the
Staggerwing, the Lionheart had no wing struts. It was a very clean
design. The hardwood burl panel was perfect. When it flew overhead it
sounded like a giant dragonfly.

IIRC the pilot told me that of five completed, three had crashed (his
was the third). Apparently it was too tricky on the ground. The pilot
also reported that pitch was unstable. Several videos were made of this
plane's only flight, including one by TV news, but I cannot find them
anywhere.

>
> Kitplanes did a pilot report on it and I recall some comments about
> yaw and some difficulty seeing around the nose during ground ops..
> BUT, we are talking about a prototype and I suspect that some clever
> work could have addressed both issues at least to some degree.
> Barring those kinds of things, it was one of the most beautiful
> airplanes ever . .. I would have loved to had debugged one.
>
> Take care . . .
>
> John


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Wil]

On Mar 27, 4:13*pm, C J Campbell >
wrote:
> On 2008-03-22 21:04:35 -0700, John > said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 22, 2:08*pm, Philippe Vessaire > wrote:
> >> William Hung wrote:
> >>>> Beech Staggerwing. *Hard to tell from the pictures, do they have
> >>>> doors on bothsides of the cabin?
> >>> Oh Yeah, one more question. *Anyone selling kit copies/replicas?
>
> >>http://www.griffon-aerospace.com/lionheart.html
>
> >> --
> >> Volem rien foutre al païs!
> >> * * Philippe Vessaire *Ò¿Ó¬
>
> > Sadly, the Lionnheart is no more. *I was really excited about this
> > aircraft when it was announced. *But there was one, possibly two
> > crashes of the only half-dozen planes flying. *In one case I recall,
> > one of the airplanes was lost during landing on its first flight.
> > Apparently there were some side loads on the main gear that caused it
> > to fail and the plane slid down the runway, and caught fire. *The
> > pilot got out (though his spouse was reportedly there and made
> > him. .. . on the spot *. . promise no more ideas like that). *I
> > remember some discussion of potential weakness in the gear and why the
> > pilot elected to make the first flight with full tanks. *Reportedly,
> > the composite airframe burned to the ground leaving ash, some debris
> > and a radial engine.
>
> I saw that accident at Bremerton Airport. The pilot had put more than
> $450,000 into the plane; no insurance. I was standing next to his wife
> when it happened. She thought he had been killed. When the plane
> erupted in flames you could not see him get out. The fire started at
> the right wing root and quickly spread to the whole plane. His only
> injury was a minor cut on his thumb. He landed in a 9 knot left
> quartering tailwind. The gear were bolted directly to the fuel tank, so
> when it gave way it tore out the bottom of the fuel tank. There was
> nothing left of the plane.
>
> It was one of the most beautiful planes I have ever seen. Unlike the
> Staggerwing, the Lionheart had no wing struts. It was a very clean
> design. The hardwood burl panel was perfect. When it flew overhead it
> sounded like a giant dragonfly.
>
> IIRC the pilot told me that of five completed, three had crashed (his
> was the third). Apparently it was too tricky on the ground. The pilot
> also reported that pitch was unstable. Several videos were made of this
> plane's only flight, including one by TV news, but I cannot find them
> anywhere.
>
>
>
> > Kitplanes did a pilot report on it and I recall some comments about
> > yaw and some difficulty seeing around the nose during ground ops..
> > BUT, we are talking about a prototype and I suspect that some clever
> > work could have addressed both issues at least to some degree.
> > Barring those kinds of things, it was one of the most beautiful
> > airplanes ever . *.. I would have loved to had debugged one.
>
> > Take care . . .
>
> > John
>
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's a beauty. Shame the line ended before all the bugs were worked
ot.

Wil