Garmin GPSMAP 495

[Marco Leon[_5_]]

Like Piper and the Matrix, Garmin has stripped-out the expensive items in
the 496 and offering the 495 without weather and the automotive package at
$1,595 as opposed to the $2,395. I don't want to underestimate Garmin's
ability to price their products appropriately but I don't think this is a
winner. Essentially, you'd be paying +$400 for the SafeTaxi, better
processor, higher terrain resolution, asn AOPA directory.

To me, it doesn't seem like a big jump in capability over the 296 to justify
a 1/3 increase in cost. Maybe I'm just coming from the wrong angle as an IFR
flyer...

Marco

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 27, 10:02 am, "Marco Leon" >
wrote:
> Like Piper and the Matrix, Garmin has stripped-out the expensive items in
> the 496 and offering the 495 without weather and the automotive package at
> $1,595 as opposed to the $2,395. I don't want to underestimate Garmin's
> ability to price their products appropriately but I don't think this is a
> winner. Essentially, you'd be paying +$400 for the SafeTaxi, better
> processor, higher terrain resolution, asn AOPA directory.
>
> To me, it doesn't seem like a big jump in capability over the 296 to justify
> a 1/3 increase in cost. Maybe I'm just coming from the wrong angle as an IFR
> flyer...
>
> Marco

I thought the salient selling point of the 496 is XM Weather
availability.

SafeTaxi and AOPA are nice, but nowhere near the utility of XM wx.


Dan Mc

[es330td]

On Mar 27, 10:02*am, "Marco Leon" >
wrote:
> Like Piper and the Matrix, Garmin has stripped-out the expensive items in
> the 496 and offering the 495 without weather and the automotive package at
> $1,595 as opposed to the $2,395. I don't want to underestimate Garmin's
> ability to price their products appropriately but I don't think this is a
> winner. Essentially, you'd be paying +$400 for the SafeTaxi, better
> processor, higher terrain resolution, asn AOPA directory.
>
> To me, it doesn't seem like a big jump in capability over the 296 to justify
> a 1/3 increase in cost. Maybe I'm just coming from the wrong angle as an IFR
> flyer...
>
> Marco

My Dad flies with a 496 and the weather is worth the cost. Unless
that is provided through something else in the plane I cannot see not
getting that for something of this level.

[Marco Leon[_5_]]

"es330td" > wrote in message
...

>My Dad flies with a 496 and the weather is worth the cost. Unless
>that is provided through something else in the plane I cannot see not
>getting that for something of this level.

I jumped from the GPS Pilot III to the 496. It STILL amazes me that we can
have this much capability in a single unit. I mean, this stuff would have
cost you over $30K less than 10 years ago.

Marco

[Ron Lee[_2_]]

"Marco Leon" > wrote:

>"es330td" > wrote in message
...
>
>>My Dad flies with a 496 and the weather is worth the cost. Unless
>>that is provided through something else in the plane I cannot see not
>>getting that for something of this level.
>
>I jumped from the GPS Pilot III to the 496. It STILL amazes me that we can
>have this much capability in a single unit. I mean, this stuff would have
>cost you over $30K less than 10 years ago.
>
>Marco

Plus you can integrate the Zaon XRX into the 496 to get traffic
alerts. Very cool.

Ron Lee

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Like Piper and the Matrix, Garmin has stripped-out the expensive items in
> the 496 and offering the 495 without weather and the automotive package at
> $1,595 as opposed to the $2,395. I don't want to underestimate Garmin's
> ability to price their products appropriately but I don't think this is a
> winner. Essentially, you'd be paying +$400 for the SafeTaxi, better
> processor, higher terrain resolution, asn AOPA directory.
>
> To me, it doesn't seem like a big jump in capability over the 296 to justify
> a 1/3 increase in cost. Maybe I'm just coming from the wrong angle as an IFR
> flyer...
>
> Marco
>
>

I agree that the drop should have been more than $400. But don't
undervalue that faster processor and 5x faster refresh rate.

[Marco Leon[_5_]]

"Ron Lee" > wrote in message
...
>
> Plus you can integrate the Zaon XRX into the 496 to get traffic
> alerts. Very cool.

I saw the clip explaining the integration on YouTube. Would you (or anyone
reading) know if you can have the 496 hooked up to a GNS430 for flightplan
crossfill purposes AND a ZOAN XRX for traffic at the same time? I'm planning
on getting the 496 integrated with my 430 while I'm getting a WAAS upgrade
and it would be great to have the wiring configured for possible future
integration with a XRX.

Marco

[G Paleologopoulos]

"Dan" > wrote
...
>.................................................. .......................
> I thought the salient selling point of the 496 is XM Weather
> availability.
>
> SafeTaxi and AOPA are nice, but nowhere near the utility of XM wx.
>
>
> Dan Mc



GARMIN does not sell to the US alone.
Europe has no XMwx.
Their move was brilliant, IMHO, as rest-of-the-world sales must have been
pretty dismal due to no weather availability.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 27, 12:52 pm, "G Paleologopoulos" >
wrote:

> Europe has no XMwx.

Why not???

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Dan wrote:
>On Mar 27, 12:52 pm, "G Paleologopoulos" >
>wrote:
>
>> Europe has no XMwx.
>
>Why not???

Because the XM satellites are parked above the western hemisphere. You
can't see them from Europe.

There is a satellite radio service called Worldspace that covers Europe,
Africa and Southern Asia. I'm surprised that Garmin hasn't tried to work out
some kind of deal with them.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:00:51 GMT, "JGalban via AviationKB.com"
<u32749@uwe> wrote:

>Dan wrote:
>>On Mar 27, 12:52 pm, "G Paleologopoulos" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Europe has no XMwx.
>>
>>Why not???
>
> Because the XM satellites are parked above the western hemisphere. You
>can't see them from Europe.
>
> There is a satellite radio service called Worldspace that covers Europe,
>Africa and Southern Asia. I'm surprised that Garmin hasn't tried to work out
>some kind of deal with them.
>

Do they broadcast European WX?

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 27, 5:00 pm, "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> >On Mar 27, 12:52 pm, "G Paleologopoulos" >
> >wrote:
>
> >> Europe has no XMwx.
>
> >Why not???
>
> Because the XM satellites are parked above the western hemisphere. You
> can't see them from Europe.
>
> There is a satellite radio service called Worldspace that covers Europe,
> Africa and Southern Asia. I'm surprised that Garmin hasn't tried to work out
> some kind of deal with them.
>

(In best Johnny Carson manner)

I did not know that....

[Kobra]

"Gig 601XL Builder" > wrote in message
...
> Marco Leon wrote:
>> Like Piper and the Matrix, Garmin has stripped-out the expensive items in
>> the 496 and offering the 495 without weather and the automotive package
>> at $1,595 as opposed to the $2,395. I don't want to underestimate
>> Garmin's ability to price their products appropriately but I don't think
>> this is a winner. Essentially, you'd be paying +$400 for the SafeTaxi,
>> better processor, higher terrain resolution, asn AOPA directory.
>>
>> To me, it doesn't seem like a big jump in capability over the 296 to
>> justify a 1/3 increase in cost. Maybe I'm just coming from the wrong
>> angle as an IFR flyer...
>>
>> Marco
>
> I agree that the drop should have been more than $400. But don't
> undervalue that faster processor and 5x faster refresh rate.

I understood that the faster processer was only put in because of the higher
resolution maps. Therefore, it updates not much faster than the 396 with a
slower processor and lower res maps. I also understand the Panel Page is
the big winner of the faster processor and can almost be completely relied
on for a backup turn coordinator and DG.

Kobra

[Ron Lee[_2_]]

>> Plus you can integrate the Zaon XRX into the 496 to get traffic
>> alerts. Very cool.
>
>I saw the clip explaining the integration on YouTube. Would you (or anyone
>reading) know if you can have the 496 hooked up to a GNS430 for flightplan
>crossfill purposes AND a ZOAN XRX for traffic at the same time? I'm planning
>on getting the 496 integrated with my 430 while I'm getting a WAAS upgrade
>and it would be great to have the wiring configured for possible future
>integration with a XRX.
>
>Marco
>
I would contact Zaon and ask them.

http://www.zaon.aero/

Ron Lee

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 27, 7:53 pm, "Kobra" > wrote:

> I also understand the Panel Page is
> the big winner of the faster processor and can almost be completely relied
> on for a backup turn coordinator and DG.
>
> Kobra

I've tested it several times in flight -- it's a very capable backup.
A very nice feature.

Dan Mc

[Jay Maynard]

On 2008-03-27, Marco Leon > wrote:
> I'm planning on getting the 496 integrated with my 430

On a tangent: Where can I find documentation on how the 496 and 430 work
together? I can't seem to locate it in either the 496 or 430 manuals
available for download from Garmin, and N55ZC will have the two connected
together.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

[WJRFlyBoy]

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:08 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

> I did not know that....

Have a fine life, Dan.

[Thomas Borchert]

JGalban,

> Because the XM satellites are parked above the western hemisphere. You
> can't see them from Europe.
>

And what's more: The frequencies used by XM are allocated for SAR use in
Europe.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Dan,

> I did not know that....
>

There's a whole nuther world there outside the US <gd&r>

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 28, 4:22 am, Thomas Borchert >
wrote:
> Dan,
>
> > I did not know that....
>
> There's a whole nuther world there outside the US <gd&r>
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

No kidding. I'll need to add to the list of languages I speak, I
suppose.

How many are you fluent in?

It was a joke, nitwit.


Dan Mc

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Kobra wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Marco Leon wrote:
>>> Like Piper and the Matrix, Garmin has stripped-out the expensive items in
>>> the 496 and offering the 495 without weather and the automotive package
>>> at $1,595 as opposed to the $2,395. I don't want to underestimate
>>> Garmin's ability to price their products appropriately but I don't think
>>> this is a winner. Essentially, you'd be paying +$400 for the SafeTaxi,
>>> better processor, higher terrain resolution, asn AOPA directory.
>>>
>>> To me, it doesn't seem like a big jump in capability over the 296 to
>>> justify a 1/3 increase in cost. Maybe I'm just coming from the wrong
>>> angle as an IFR flyer...
>>>
>>> Marco
>> I agree that the drop should have been more than $400. But don't
>> undervalue that faster processor and 5x faster refresh rate.
>
> I understood that the faster processer was only put in because of the higher
> resolution maps. Therefore, it updates not much faster than the 396 with a
> slower processor and lower res maps. I also understand the Panel Page is
> the big winner of the faster processor and can almost be completely relied
> on for a backup turn coordinator and DG.
>
> Kobra
>
>

Yes the panel page is where it really shines.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Mar 27, 7:02*am, "Marco Leon" > wrote:
> Like Piper and the Matrix, Garmin has stripped-out the expensive items in
> the 496 and offering the 495 without weather and the automotive package at
> $1,595 as opposed to the $2,395. I don't want to underestimate Garmin's
> ability to price their products appropriately but I don't think this is a
> winner. Essentially, you'd be paying +$400 for the SafeTaxi, better
> processor, higher terrain resolution, asn AOPA directory.

I have the 296 and there really is very little difference between the
two looking at the comparision. I was pretty excited when I first
heard about the 495 but now I'm not so excited....

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/compare.do?cID=156&compare=compare&compareProduct=6399&compareProduct=14751

[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT), Dan >
wrote in
>:

>It was a joke, nitwit.

To prevent such misunderstandings, we have adopted the practice of
appending a :-) to indicate sarcasm.

[Thomas Borchert]

Dan,

> It was a joke, nitwit.
>

Yeah, right. Know what to do in that case? Add a <g> or something like
that. I did, nitwit.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 28, 11:56 am, Thomas Borchert >
wrote:

>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

:-P

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT), Dan >
> wrote in
> >:
>
>>It was a joke, nitwit.
>
> To prevent such misunderstandings, we have adopted the practice of
> appending a :-) to indicate sarcasm.
>

Kind of a visual aid for the humor impaired.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Thomas Borchert > wrote in
:

> Dan,
>
>> It was a joke, nitwit.
>>
>
> Yeah, right. Know what to do in that case? Add a <g> or something like
> that. I did, nitwit.
>

For one who has lost his sense of hmor at birth. Must be a sort of
circumcisn thing there..


Bertie

[Marco Leon[_5_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...

>I have the 296 and there really is very little difference between the
>two looking at the comparision. I was pretty excited when I first
>heard about the 495 but now I'm not so excited....

>https://buy.garmin.com/shop/compare.do?cID=156&compare=compare&compareProduct=6399&compareProduct=14751

Garmin is (was) usually pretty good at putting compelling features on their
products at a price that makes you bite your lip as you reach for your
wallet. The 495 seems out of character. Maybe they want their aviation
products to make your head spin from the dizzying number of versions like
thier Nuvi product line.

Marco

[Robert M. Gary]

On Mar 28, 11:41*am, "Marco Leon" >
wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in ...

> Garmin is (was) usually pretty good at putting compelling features on their
> products at a price that makes you bite your lip as you reach for your
> wallet. The 495 seems out of character. Maybe they want their aviation
> products to make your head spin from the dizzying number of versions like
> thier Nuvi product line.

Its like pilot poker bragging rights. "Well, I have the 296", "Oh, I
have the 495, read'em and cry!".

-robert

[Marco Leon[_5_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 28, 11:41 am, "Marco Leon" >
wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
> ...

>Its like pilot poker bragging rights. "Well, I have the 296", "Oh, I
>have the 495, read'em and cry!".

The "495" is really a minomer. Considering the features and the lack of
weather, it really should be the "395" but I guess "495" would sell more.

[WJRFlyBoy]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

> On Mar 28, 4:22 am, Thomas Borchert >
> wrote:
>> Dan,
>>
>>> I did not know that....
>>
>> There's a whole nuther world there outside the US <gd&r>
>>
>> --
>> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>
> No kidding. I'll need to add to the list of languages I speak, I
> suppose.
>
> How many are you fluent in?
>
> It was a joke, nitwit.
>
> Dan Mc

www.clickgetasmiliest00pid.com

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 28, 4:52 pm, WJRFlyBoy > wrote:

> www.clickgetasmiliest00pid.com

That was certainly illuminating.

Find that link on a LRRP patrol in the 'Nam?

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>Do they broadcast European WX?

I don't think they currently offer it to the public. The USAF has a
contract with them to provide inflight WX content to their aircraft from USAF
weather sites.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
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[WJRFlyBoy]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:17:10 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

> On Mar 28, 4:52 pm, WJRFlyBoy > wrote:
>
>> www.clickgetasmiliest00pid.com
>
> That was certainly illuminating.
>
> Find that link on a LRRP patrol in the 'Nam?

Not one, several, a couple with my pictures right there for you to see,
My Little Trick Pony.

[Dan[_10_]]

On Mar 28, 6:37 pm, WJRFlyBoy > wrote:
>
> Not one, several, a couple with my pictures right there for you to see,
> My Little Trick Pony.

I saw a picture of Rambo -- is that you?

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

I've got the 496, and -- apart from the weather and entertainment aspects of
the unit -- I dislike it intensely. It's got a creaky-slow processor, a
tiny, muddy-looking screen, and cost WAY too much.

You might check this out instead:

http://www.aviationsafety.com/fl_190.htm

It's got more features, is cheaper to update, and has a bigger screen. I'm
contemplating saving my pennies for one, but I've got the 496 panel-docked,
so upgrading is going to be costly. If I do get one, I would end up using
the 496 for XM music only, which would make it the most costly entertainment
center ever...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dan[_10_]]

On Apr 2, 10:33 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> I've got the 496, and -- apart from the weather and entertainment aspects of
> the unit -- I dislike it intensely. It's got a creaky-slow processor, a
> tiny, muddy-looking screen, and cost WAY too much.

You must have a defective unit -- the 496 we added to the Bonanzas
last fall is crisp, fast, and far exceeds my expectations.


Dan Mc

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>> I've got the 496, and -- apart from the weather and entertainment aspects
>> of
>> the unit -- I dislike it intensely. It's got a creaky-slow processor, a
>> tiny, muddy-looking screen, and cost WAY too much.
>
> You must have a defective unit -- the 496 we added to the Bonanzas
> last fall is crisp, fast, and far exceeds my expectations.

No, you've just never flown with an AvMap. After you've had that unit on
board, with its brilliant, huge, full-color, portrait-oriented screen, a 496
is pretty primitive. Crude, in fact.

Unfortunately, for reasons unknown, AvMap has not pursued XM weather -- so
it's a non-starter nowadays.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:dPXIj.103424$yE1.24109@attbi_s21:

>>> I've got the 496, and -- apart from the weather and entertainment
>>> aspects of
>>> the unit -- I dislike it intensely. It's got a creaky-slow
>>> processor, a tiny, muddy-looking screen, and cost WAY too much.
>>
>> You must have a defective unit -- the 496 we added to the Bonanzas
>> last fall is crisp, fast, and far exceeds my expectations.
>
> No, you've just never flown with an AvMap. After you've had that unit
> on board, with its brilliant, huge, full-color, portrait-oriented
> screen, a 496 is pretty primitive. Crude, in fact.
>

Much like your thought processes.


Bertie

[NW_Pilot]

In a 182 with XM at FL130 you get it get to about 41W


"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> JGalban,
>
>> Because the XM satellites are parked above the western hemisphere. You
>> can't see them from Europe.
>>
>
> And what's more: The frequencies used by XM are allocated for SAR use in
> Europe.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>