CFI Checkride today

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Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...

Started last Thursday but there was a static wick missing on the right
flap (!) so the a/c was "un-airworthy."

Anyway, resolved that, did the flying part today in an A36 and a C172
in gusty MVFR, and I flew home with a temporary CFI-SEL today.

CFII will be next in a few weeks.


Dan Mc

(the entire saga is here: http://trainingforcfi.blogspot.com/)

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:29:45 -0700 (PDT), " wrote:

>Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...

Attaboy.

I'm thinking about it. Retirement job next year, maybe.

[Jay Maynard]

On 2008-04-09, Dan Luke > wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:29:45 -0700 (PDT), " wrote:
>>Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...
> Attaboy.

Seconded.

> I'm thinking about it. Retirement job next year, maybe.

I was pleasantly surprised to learn that, aside from the written and
practical tests, I've fulfilled nearly all of the requirements for a CFI-SP
ticket - and you don't need a medical for that, either. No commercial, no
instrument rating, no complex aircraft.

I might pursue that one of these days, once I get myself fully back in the
groove.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

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On Apr 9, 7:44 pm, Dan Luke > wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:29:45 -0700 (PDT), " wrote:
> >Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...
>
> Attaboy.

Thanks!

> I'm thinking about it. Retirement job next year, maybe.

Go for it -- I see no down side.

Preparing really helped me sharpen up all aspects of my flying and
knowledge -- and I know that's just a small subsection of what I'll
learn teaching others.


Dan Mc

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On Apr 9, 7:47 pm, Jay Maynard > wrote:
> I was pleasantly surprised to learn that, aside from the written and
> practical tests, I've fulfilled nearly all of the requirements for a CFI-SP
> ticket - and you don't need a medical for that, either. No commercial, no
> instrument rating, no complex aircraft.

Apparently there are very, very few CFI-SP out there...

[[email protected]]

On Apr 9, 3:29*pm, " > wrote:
> Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...
>
> Started last Thursday but there was a static wick missing on the right
> flap (!) so the a/c was "un-airworthy."
>
> Anyway, resolved that, did the flying part today in an A36 and a C172
> in gusty MVFR, and I flew home with a temporary CFI-SEL today.
>
> CFII will be next in a few weeks.
>
> Dan Mc
>
> (the entire saga is here:http://trainingforcfi.blogspot.com/)

Congrats to you. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ben

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...

Good job, Dan! (If this is really *you* this time...)

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:4qdLj.60079$TT4.52910
@attbi_s22:

>> Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...
>
> Good job, Dan! (If this is really *you* this time...)
>
> ;-)

You must be thrilled Dan.



Bertie

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On Apr 9, 8:44 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...
>
> Good job, Dan! (If this is really *you* this time...)
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Yeah...I don't think the creep know what a CFI is!

And thanks!

[[email protected]]

On Apr 9, 9:06 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

>
> You must be thrilled Dan.
>
> Bertie

I am, Bertie!

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

" > wrote in news:8e226af2-f30b-41f3-
:

> On Apr 9, 9:06 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>>
>> You must be thrilled Dan.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I am, Bertie!
>

Well, of course, that way!


Carry a big hat pin to stick in the thigh of the 80 lb wiry little *******
that siezes up on the controls on you!


Bertie

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On Apr 10, 6:30 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> Carry a big hat pin to stick in the thigh of the 80 lb wiry little *******
> that siezes up on the controls on you!
>
> Bertie

Either that or threaten to read all Maxwell's posts..

"49, 50, 51, 52...."

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

" > wrote in
:

> On Apr 10, 6:30 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> Carry a big hat pin to stick in the thigh of the 80 lb wiry little
>> ******* that siezes up on the controls on you!
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Either that or threaten to read all Maxwell's posts..
>
> "49, 50, 51, 52...."
>
>

I know. he's great, isn't he? I have a gift for bringing out the best in
people.


Bertie

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On Apr 10, 6:59 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> I know. he's great, isn't he? I have a gift for bringing out the best in
> people.
>
> Bertie

What's hilarious is that he thinks he's playing the tune...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

" > wrote in news:21c19123-8f96-4cd7-
:

> On Apr 10, 6:59 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> I know. he's great, isn't he? I have a gift for bringing out the best in
>> people.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> What's hilarious is that he thinks he's playing the tune...
>
>

I know, another gift...


Bertie

[gatt[_3_]]

wrote:

> Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...


Woohoo! Congratulations!

I'm shooting for late May. Would love to hear your experience about the
oral exam, since that's what all the CFI candidates around the FBO are
sweating over right now. Nobody here has had a chance to see if the FAA
examiners will do things differently than the old hardass DEs.



-c

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On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, gatt > wrote:
> wrote:
> > Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...
>
> Woohoo! Congratulations!
>
> I'm shooting for late May. Would love to hear your experience about the
> oral exam, since that's what all the CFI candidates around the FBO are
> sweating over right now. Nobody here has had a chance to see if the FAA
> examiners will do things differently than the old hardass DEs.
>
> -c

My FAA Inspector (who I learned after the practical is also an
attorney) had an enormous binder, every page in a sheet protector. He
started at Page 1 -- FOI -- "What is Learning?"

That went on for a while but I was very, very prepared -- half the
time I was correcting the question, "I think you mean, 'What are the
principles of learning?' There are several, including...'"

After a while he was flipping through huge chunks of binder.

Then he asked me a simple nav question. I demonstrating solving on E6B
(manual) and electronically. There were a few "How does and airplane
fly? questions but I was more than ready.

My only feedback for the oral is this - don't prepare for the oral.

Prepare for that first really on-the-ball student who will grill you
"why this?" and "Why that?" or the 1,000 hour guy who finally decides
to get his commercial.

Study until you *understand*, and can explain it to someone else, and
the oral will be a minor speedbump.


Dan Mc

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

gatt wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Passed the CFI checkride with the FAA...
>
>
> Woohoo! Congratulations!
>
> I'm shooting for late May. Would love to hear your experience about the
> oral exam, since that's what all the CFI candidates around the FBO are
> sweating over right now. Nobody here has had a chance to see if the FAA
> examiners will do things differently than the old hardass DEs.
>
>
>
> -c
>

Try not to over prepare for the oral by boning up on "facts". Approach
it with a relaxed attitude.
The one thing I always cautioned CFI applicants NOT to do is to overwork
an answer. The best answer is ALWAYS the least complicated that answers
the question. It's Occam's Razor in it's classic form.
Most examiners EXPECT the applicant to enter into technical explanations
in n effort to impress them with the depth of knowledge possessed by the
applicant. This is a natural mistake made by many many applicants. The
usual result is that the deeper you take the examiner, the more chance
you will mis-step, resulting in the examiner expanding, thus causing you
to go defensive in the exchange.
This is to be avoided at all cost.
Be prepared to deal with questions by remembering you are "explaining
the answer not to an examiner but rather to a new student. Keep telling
yourself this as you engage the examiner in the oral.
Every examiner has a few "trick" questions they like to "catch"
applicants on during the oral.
"What makes an airplane turn" is a favorite.
Bottom line is be neat, show the examiner you came prepared, and don't
over complicate your answers.
One more detail; SMILE!! . It relieves the tension and projects to the
examiner how you will be interacting with your students.

Another thing; best of luck to you on the exam. :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[gatt[_3_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> The one thing I always cautioned CFI applicants NOT to do is to overwork
> an answer. The best answer is ALWAYS the least complicated that answers
> the question. It's Occam's Razor in it's classic form.

Okay, that's very useful.

> Every examiner has a few "trick" questions they like to "catch"
> applicants on during the oral.
> "What makes an airplane turn" is a favorite.

That could get me in trouble. "The pilot," Little Johnny replied.

> One more detail; SMILE!! . It relieves the tension and projects to the
> examiner how you will be interacting with your students.

I'm sure that's useful too. Our chief flight instructor has a joke or
anecdote for everything so at the end of the day, no matter how
stressful the training session was the student has something to smile
about. ...I'll probably sanitize his humor quite a bit. He's a
retired Marine and all.

Thanks for the encouragement, and have a great weekend.

-c

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

Once I learned to have fun with the FAA Inspector, smiled, and made her have
fun also, it was much easier. Your answer "The pilot makes an airplane
turn" or "I hope it's the pilot!" is actually a good light hearted response.
He/she may simply laugh and move on to the next subject, if not, ask him/her
what type of student is asking the question.

You'll be given scenarios that will begin by the Inspector stating his/her
pretend pilot status. The object is for you to base your response to the
scenario around this "given", however you can also turn the question back at
the inspector and use the "given" to draw knowledge from them, just as you
would a real student. "Ok, well I see by your logbook, that you've taken a
ground school class, and you've also had additional ground instruction in
the following knowledge areas. What did your previous instructors teach you
about xxxx and what can you tell me about xxxx?"

Many times the "trick" questions will be based upon a key phrase or word
that the student at the given stage of learning has not developed enough
knowledge about to fully understand. For example, what makes an airplane
turn shouts out for "the horizontal component of lift" and it comes with a
shovel that you can use to dig your own hole. So does "explain a soft
field takeoff" and out pops "ground effect" and you keep digging.

Turn these questions around and ask your "student" what they know about how
an airplane turns or a soft field takeoff... then use carefully worded
questions to draw them into a conversation that explains the trick phrases
before they are ever mentioned.

My oral ended when I informed the Inspector which knowledge areas we'd be
doing additional ground instruction on before we tackled the maneuvers. She
laughed and said let's go fly.

Jim

"gatt" > wrote in message
news:VPudnZqptKdeTGLanZ2dnUVZ_uuonZ2d@integraonlin e...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
> > The one thing I always cautioned CFI applicants NOT to do is to overwork
> > an answer. The best answer is ALWAYS the least complicated that answers
> > the question. It's Occam's Razor in it's classic form.
>
> Okay, that's very useful.
>
> > Every examiner has a few "trick" questions they like to "catch"
> > applicants on during the oral.
> > "What makes an airplane turn" is a favorite.
>
> That could get me in trouble. "The pilot," Little Johnny replied.
>
> > One more detail; SMILE!! . It relieves the tension and projects to the
> > examiner how you will be interacting with your students.
>
> I'm sure that's useful too. Our chief flight instructor has a joke or
> anecdote for everything so at the end of the day, no matter how
> stressful the training session was the student has something to smile
> about. ...I'll probably sanitize his humor quite a bit. He's a
> retired Marine and all.
>
> Thanks for the encouragement, and have a great weekend.
>
> -c

[gatt[_3_]]

Just a quick top-post to say that this is all extremely helpful and
appreciated. Thanks and have a spectacular weekend! -Chris Gattman


Jim Burns wrote:
> Once I learned to have fun with the FAA Inspector, smiled, and made her have
> fun also, it was much easier. Your answer "The pilot makes an airplane
> turn" or "I hope it's the pilot!" is actually a good light hearted response.
> He/she may simply laugh and move on to the next subject, if not, ask him/her
> what type of student is asking the question.
>
> You'll be given scenarios that will begin by the Inspector stating his/her
> pretend pilot status. The object is for you to base your response to the
> scenario around this "given", however you can also turn the question back at
> the inspector and use the "given" to draw knowledge from them, just as you
> would a real student. "Ok, well I see by your logbook, that you've taken a
> ground school class, and you've also had additional ground instruction in
> the following knowledge areas. What did your previous instructors teach you
> about xxxx and what can you tell me about xxxx?"
>
> Many times the "trick" questions will be based upon a key phrase or word
> that the student at the given stage of learning has not developed enough
> knowledge about to fully understand. For example, what makes an airplane
> turn shouts out for "the horizontal component of lift" and it comes with a
> shovel that you can use to dig your own hole. So does "explain a soft
> field takeoff" and out pops "ground effect" and you keep digging.
>
> Turn these questions around and ask your "student" what they know about how
> an airplane turns or a soft field takeoff... then use carefully worded
> questions to draw them into a conversation that explains the trick phrases
> before they are ever mentioned.
>
> My oral ended when I informed the Inspector which knowledge areas we'd be
> doing additional ground instruction on before we tackled the maneuvers. She
> laughed and said let's go fly.
>
> Jim
>
> "gatt" > wrote in message
> news:VPudnZqptKdeTGLanZ2dnUVZ_uuonZ2d@integraonlin e...
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>
>>> The one thing I always cautioned CFI applicants NOT to do is to overwork
>>> an answer. The best answer is ALWAYS the least complicated that answers
>>> the question. It's Occam's Razor in it's classic form.
>> Okay, that's very useful.
>>
>>> Every examiner has a few "trick" questions they like to "catch"
>>> applicants on during the oral.
>>> "What makes an airplane turn" is a favorite.
>> That could get me in trouble. "The pilot," Little Johnny replied.
>>
>>> One more detail; SMILE!! . It relieves the tension and projects to the
>>> examiner how you will be interacting with your students.
>> I'm sure that's useful too. Our chief flight instructor has a joke or
>> anecdote for everything so at the end of the day, no matter how
>> stressful the training session was the student has something to smile
>> about. ...I'll probably sanitize his humor quite a bit. He's a
>> retired Marine and all.
>>
>> Thanks for the encouragement, and have a great weekend.
>>
>> -c
>
>