Prince William got his RAF wings.

[Larry Dighera]

He's one of us now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7339475.stm
Can you be an RAF pilot in 13 weeks?

It can take up to four years to fully train an RAF pilot, so how
did Prince William get his wings in under four months?

Prince William is never going to be an operational air force
pilot.

Recruits at the RAF's Central Flying School at Cranwell normally
face a course of 26 weeks to complete their elementary flying
training, as a prelude to a much longer period of specialised
training in a single type of aircraft.

But the prince, destined one day to be commander-in-chief of the
armed forces, is enjoying only a taste of life in the RAF.


Officers at the flying school devised a bespoke syllabus that
meant the future king was able to fly solo in two fixed-wing
training aircraft and a helicopter within 13 weeks. The prince was
even able to find time to go skiing in Klosters with his father.
more...




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7340692.stm
William's first solo flight came just eight days into his RAF
training, when he piloted a propeller-driven Grob 115 E light
aircraft round the airfield at RAF Cranwell.

He then trained on the faster Tucano T1 plane at RAF
Linton-on-Ouse in North Yorkshire.

His final placement was at RAF Shawbury, Shropshire, where he
learnt to fly the Squirrel helicopter.

William's training periods with the RAF and Navy are
familiarisation attachments, aiming to prepare him for his future
role at the head of the armed forces.

His shortened training course was designed to make him a competent
flier, but an RAF pilot would usually spend up to four years under
instruction.




http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1029688.ece
At a ceremony held in the service’s spiritual home - RAF Cranwell
in Lincolnshire - Charles awarded his son his wings as the Duchess
of Cornwall looked on.

Among William’s guests was his girlfriend Kate Middleton, in her
first appearance with the Prince at a major official event since
the young royal - a serving officer in the British Army -
graduated from Sandhurst in December. Video...

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> He's one of us now:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7339475.stm
> Can you be an RAF pilot in 13 weeks?
>
> It can take up to four years to fully train an RAF pilot, so how
> did Prince William get his wings in under four months?
>
> Prince William is never going to be an operational air force
> pilot.
>
> Recruits at the RAF's Central Flying School at Cranwell normally
> face a course of 26 weeks to complete their elementary flying
> training, as a prelude to a much longer period of specialised
> training in a single type of aircraft.
>
> But the prince, destined one day to be commander-in-chief of the
> armed forces, is enjoying only a taste of life in the RAF.
>
>
> Officers at the flying school devised a bespoke syllabus that
> meant the future king was able to fly solo in two fixed-wing
> training aircraft and a helicopter within 13 weeks. The prince was
> even able to find time to go skiing in Klosters with his father.
> more...
>
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7340692.stm
> William's first solo flight came just eight days into his RAF
> training, when he piloted a propeller-driven Grob 115 E light
> aircraft round the airfield at RAF Cranwell.
>
> He then trained on the faster Tucano T1 plane at RAF
> Linton-on-Ouse in North Yorkshire.
>
> His final placement was at RAF Shawbury, Shropshire, where he
> learnt to fly the Squirrel helicopter.
>
> William's training periods with the RAF and Navy are
> familiarisation attachments, aiming to prepare him for his future
> role at the head of the armed forces.
>
> His shortened training course was designed to make him a competent
> flier, but an RAF pilot would usually spend up to four years under
> instruction.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1029688.ece
> At a ceremony held in the service’s spiritual home - RAF Cranwell
> in Lincolnshire - Charles awarded his son his wings as the Duchess
> of Cornwall looked on.
>
> Among William’s guests was his girlfriend Kate Middleton, in her
> first appearance with the Prince at a major official event since
> the young royal - a serving officer in the British Army -
> graduated from Sandhurst in December. Video...

What has not been said here is that Prince William's "individualized"
training program was most certainly devised by the RAF for the purpose
of keeping his exposure to training risk at an absolute minimum, and
NOT to give him equality with other RAF trained pilots.
There is absolutely nothing in the Prince William's past behavior to
indicate he is in any way whatsoever inclined to "collect" awards and
engage himself in self proposed abbreviated military training courses
designed to give him "street cred".

The Prince has shown himself all through his life to be an honest and
credible individual deeply interested in the military affairs of his
country. He has shown a deep desire to experience some of what is
experienced by the men and women he will eventually command and this has
been allowed on a limited basis by those who make these decisions.
Well done William.

I for one will share my sky with a man of Prince William's obvious
character.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Denny]

Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
Having said that, I agree with you that everything I have seen of
William indicates that he is a fine young man and a good soldier
trapped in the Royal Family insanity... He can share my sky or cover
my back any day...

denny

[B!]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT), Denny >
wrote:

>Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
>is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
>put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
>England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...

Anything better than a Presidential Retard.

--
Never underestimate the stupidity of people

[akjcbkJA]

"Denny" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
> Having said that, I agree with you that everything I have seen of
> William indicates that he is a fine young man and a good soldier
> trapped in the Royal Family insanity... He can share my sky or cover
> my back any day...
>
> denny

I am sure he would be delighted to do that. Need shades to protect his eyes
from the bright red neck though.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Denny wrote:
> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
> Having said that, I agree with you that everything I have seen of
> William indicates that he is a fine young man and a good soldier
> trapped in the Royal Family insanity... He can share my sky or cover
> my back any day...
>
> denny

I don't feel anywhere near qualified to comment deeply into the Royal
Family problems pre se', and indeed, they have had their share of
troubles and issues, but I have seen the actions of Prince William and
find him quite refreshing, especially considering his "unique" position
in life.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Steve Firth[_2_]]

Denny > wrote:

> He can share my sky

Do either you or Henriques have a receipt for the sky you each claim to
own?

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 4:01*pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Denny > wrote:
> > He can share my sky
>
> Do either you or Henriques have a receipt for the sky you each claim to
> own?

Squatters rights, I believe they are called.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-04-14 15:01:44 -0700, (Steve Firth) said:

> Denny > wrote:
>
>> He can share my sky
>
> Do either you or Henriques have a receipt for the sky you each claim to
> own?

No, they don't. I still own the sky.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[150flivver]

On Apr 14, 5:28 pm, C J Campbell >
wrote:
> On 2008-04-14 15:01:44 -0700, (Steve Firth) said:
>
> > Denny > wrote:
>
> >> He can share my sky
>
> > Do either you or Henriques have a receipt for the sky you each claim to
> > own?
>
> No, they don't. I still own the sky.
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor

I think he's a nice enough bloke. I think it's a good idea that he
"familiarize" himself with flying but I don't think he should be
awarded RAF wings without passing the entire course. But that's just
me and I'm not a Brit.

[Some Other Guy]

Denny wrote:
> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...

For what it's worth, maintaining the entire extended royal family costs 61p
per British taxpayer per year. That's about $1.20 US.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Some Other Guy wrote:
> Denny wrote:
>> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
>> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
>> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
>> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
>
> For what it's worth, maintaining the entire extended royal family costs 61p
> per British taxpayer per year. That's about $1.20 US.


The last time I looked, that was their perogitive. If they don't feel like
supporting a manarchy any longer then they can just have a revolution like we
did. In the meanshile, it's their country and they can do as they please.

The whole world doesn't have to be just like us, do they?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Matt Whiting]

Some Other Guy wrote:
> Denny wrote:
>> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
>> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
>> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
>> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
>
> For what it's worth, maintaining the entire extended royal family costs 61p
> per British taxpayer per year. That's about $1.20 US.
>

And for that they British get???

[[email protected]]

Matt Whiting > wrote:
> Some Other Guy wrote:
> > Denny wrote:
> >> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
> >> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
> >> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
> >> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
> >
> > For what it's worth, maintaining the entire extended royal family costs 61p
> > per British taxpayer per year. That's about $1.20 US.
> >

> And for that they British get???

The same thing Americans get out of preserving Gettysburg; history.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Vaughn Simon]

"Denny" > wrote in message
...
>I would put them off the dole in
> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...

Yes, but that is for the Brits to decide, and they seem to rather like their
royal family; so who the hell are we to say they shouldn't have one?

For my part, I would LOVE to score a 13-week paid flying vacation with the
RAF.

Vaughn

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> And for that they British get???

Really cool ceremonial weddings...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mxsmanic]

Dudley Henriques writes:

> I for one will share my sky with a man of Prince William's obvious
> character.

So if someone has "character," he doesn't need flying ability or training to
get a pilot's license?

It's bad enough when people depend too much on credentials; it's even worse
when the credentials have absolutely nothing to do with the activity at hand.
Be a royal, get a license--no competence or training required. Your
sycophants will still share the skies with you, no matter how dangerous you
are.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Dudley Henriques writes:
>
>> I for one will share my sky with a man of Prince William's obvious
>> character.
>
> So if someone has "character," he doesn't need flying ability or training to
> get a pilot's license?
>
> It's bad enough when people depend too much on credentials; it's even worse
> when the credentials have absolutely nothing to do with the activity at hand.
> Be a royal, get a license--no competence or training required. Your
> sycophants will still share the skies with you, no matter how dangerous you
> are.

Your comment I believe is in need of some correction if I may :-)

Prince William has no solo flying privileges he hasn't earned, and any
flying he might do now or in the future I'm quite certain will be
conducted totally within the confines of his level of demonstrated
competence.
Prince William's "character" as you put it, although at a very high
level, will in no way open doors for him to fly anything, or in fact do
anything, in an aircraft he hasn't been authorized by competent RAF
authority to fly.
The RAF has no interest whatsoever in losing either Prince William or
one of their aircraft and are quite competent to keep each in one piece.

--
Dudley Henriques

[me[_3_]]

> Prince William has no solo flying privileges he hasn't earned, and any
> flying he might do now or in the future I'm quite certain will be
> conducted totally within the confines of his level of demonstrated
> competence.
> Prince William's "character" as you put it, although at a very high level,
> will in no way open doors for him to fly anything, or in fact do anything,
> in an aircraft he hasn't been authorized by competent RAF authority to
> fly.
> The RAF has no interest whatsoever in losing either Prince William or one
> of their aircraft and are quite competent to keep each in one piece.


Oh no, no, no. No one would ever allow them to do anything stupid just
because of who they are, now would they?

Er, well ... see
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n13995635

E

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

me wrote:
>> Prince William has no solo flying privileges he hasn't earned, and any
>> flying he might do now or in the future I'm quite certain will be
>> conducted totally within the confines of his level of demonstrated
>> competence.
>> Prince William's "character" as you put it, although at a very high level,
>> will in no way open doors for him to fly anything, or in fact do anything,
>> in an aircraft he hasn't been authorized by competent RAF authority to
>> fly.
>> The RAF has no interest whatsoever in losing either Prince William or one
>> of their aircraft and are quite competent to keep each in one piece.
>
>
> Oh no, no, no. No one would ever allow them to do anything stupid just
> because of who they are, now would they?
>
> Er, well ... see
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n13995635
>
> E
>
>
>

This accident was a dual flight, not solo, and as such is outside the
confines of our discussion. It also was not authorized.

The argument to make this incident unique to the Prince of Wales is a
stretch, as this type of thing has happened many many times before to
plain ordinary people.
The instructor involved in the incident was faulted which from what I
am reading, was duly justified.

This type of accident is not unique at all to the Prince of Wales and
has occurred unfortunately since time immemorial both involving flight
instructors AND pilots generally, when newbies are allowed to fly the
airplane and allowed so deeply into errors that the PIC of the aircraft
can't recover same.

The bottom line here is that although the accident was unfortunate, what
happened wasn't unique at all as applies to the Prince of Wales.



--
Dudley Henriques

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-04-15, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> The RAF has no interest whatsoever in losing either Prince William or
> one of their aircraft and are quite competent to keep each in one piece.

He is also a Police-trained motorcyclist, with a strong interest with
the Isle of Man TT. It causes some interesting problems for the police
officer who is charged with his safety while visiting!

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dylan Smith wrote:
> On 2008-04-15, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> The RAF has no interest whatsoever in losing either Prince William or
>> one of their aircraft and are quite competent to keep each in one piece.
>
> He is also a Police-trained motorcyclist, with a strong interest with
> the Isle of Man TT. It causes some interesting problems for the police
> officer who is charged with his safety while visiting!
>

One can only imagine the conflict some of these people endure when asked
to "instruct" the Prince on these endeavors. On one hand I'm sure they
want to do a credible job of teaching him what he needs to know, while
on the other hand they have to be sweating bullets to insure he isn't
hurt in the process.
So far so good anyway. I'm sure it doesn't help the "instructors" any
when they realize that William doesn't seem to fancy himself special in
any way and wants to go at these things head on like everybody else.
:-)
I like the Prince and I admire his guts and style. I also feel sorry for
him and the people charged with instructing him because strange as it
might seem, when you are instructing in things that can kill someone,
holding back in any way can actually make the endeavor more dangerous
than it would be otherwise. Trust me, I know about these things having
instructed VERY rich pilots on go-arounds in airplanes like the P51 :-))
I remember Vince Lombardi the famous football coach once saying that the
quickest way to get seriously injured playing football was to hold back
on a tackle.
For the Prince it has to be very hard learning things like flying and
motorcycling with his instructors over compensating to protect him.

--
Dudley Henriques

[akjcbkJA]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Denny" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I would put them off the dole in
>> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
>
> Yes, but that is for the Brits to decide, and they seem to rather like
> their royal family; so who the hell are we to say they shouldn't have one?
>
> For my part, I would LOVE to score a 13-week paid flying vacation with
> the RAF.
>
> Vaughn

Royal family is cheap to run and the value to the country is almost
priceless. The royal heritage is worth billions in tourism alone, (funnily
enough mostly from Americans) so whatever expense has occurred it represents
good value for money overall.

Compare that with the cost and value of a presidential candidate.

[Mxsmanic]

akjcbkJA writes:

> Royal family is cheap to run and the value to the country is almost
> priceless. The royal heritage is worth billions in tourism alone, (funnily
> enough mostly from Americans) so whatever expense has occurred it represents
> good value for money overall.

Very few tourists visit the UK to see royals.

[Mxsmanic]

Dudley Henriques writes:

> Prince William has no solo flying privileges he hasn't earned, and any
> flying he might do now or in the future I'm quite certain will be
> conducted totally within the confines of his level of demonstrated
> competence.

Which privileges did he miss out on by skipping 195 of the 208 weeks that a
normal RAF pilot spends in training?

> Prince William's "character" as you put it, although at a very high
> level, will in no way open doors for him to fly anything, or in fact do
> anything, in an aircraft he hasn't been authorized by competent RAF
> authority to fly.

Uh-huh.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Dudley Henriques writes:
>
>> Prince William has no solo flying privileges he hasn't earned, and any
>> flying he might do now or in the future I'm quite certain will be
>> conducted totally within the confines of his level of demonstrated
>> competence.
>
> Which privileges did he miss out on by skipping 195 of the 208 weeks that a
> normal RAF pilot spends in training?
>
>> Prince William's "character" as you put it, although at a very high
>> level, will in no way open doors for him to fly anything, or in fact do
>> anything, in an aircraft he hasn't been authorized by competent RAF
>> authority to fly.
>
> Uh-huh.

Please take your idiotic and biased posts to someone else. I'm not
interested.

--
Dudley Henriques

[[email protected]]

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
> akjcbkJA writes:

> > Royal family is cheap to run and the value to the country is almost
> > priceless. The royal heritage is worth billions in tourism alone, (funnily
> > enough mostly from Americans) so whatever expense has occurred it represents
> > good value for money overall.

> Very few tourists visit the UK to see royals.

Probably true, but as usual your view of the world is blindingly narrow.

Few tourists visit anywhere JUST to see one particular thing, rather
it is the sum total of things.

Lots of people go to the UK to see the royals, the palaces, the changing
of the guard, and all the associated trappings and museums.


--
Jim Pennino

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[george]

On Apr 15, 2:58 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques writes:
> > I for one will share my sky with a man of Prince William's obvious
> > character.
>
> So if someone has "character," he doesn't need flying ability or training to
> get a pilot's license?
>
> It's bad enough when people depend too much on credentials; it's even worse
> when the credentials have absolutely nothing to do with the activity at hand.
> Be a royal, get a license--no competence or training required. Your
> sycophants will still share the skies with you, no matter how dangerous you
> are.

Anthony
13 weeks in the RAF is sufficient for the normally attributed human to
go solo (which he has done)
Quoted


William's first solo flight came just eight days into his RAF
training, when he piloted a propeller-driven Grob 115 E light
aircraft round the airfield at RAF Cranwell.

He then trained on the faster Tucano T1 plane at RAF
Linton-on-Ouse in North Yorkshire.

His final placement was at RAF Shawbury, Shropshire, where he
learnt to fly the Squirrel helicopter.
Se is rated on 2 fixed wing trainers and one helicopter in 13 weeks.
That is impressive !

[george]

On Apr 16, 6:51 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques writes:
> > Prince William has no solo flying privileges he hasn't earned, and any
> > flying he might do now or in the future I'm quite certain will be
> > conducted totally within the confines of his level of demonstrated
> > competence.
>
> Which privileges did he miss out on by skipping 195 of the 208 weeks that a
> normal RAF pilot spends in training?
>
>

Jealousy rears its ignorant head ..

[Mxsmanic]

george writes:

> Jealousy rears its ignorant head ..

I have no desire to fly for the RAF. There are much better air forces than
that, and they don't have to kowtow to a family of royals treated as superior
by accident of birth.

[george]

On Apr 16, 4:07 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> george writes:
> > Jealousy rears its ignorant head ..
>
> I have no desire to fly for the RAF. There are much better air forces than
> that, and they don't have to kowtow to a family of royals treated as superior
> by accident of birth.

You have no desire to fly period !

[Cubdriver]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:32:06 GMT, Larry Dighera >
wrote:

> Officers at the flying school devised a bespoke syllabus

First time I ever saw "bespoke" applied to flight training!

(For you colonials, "bespoke" generally means a tailor-made suit.)

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

[Cubdriver]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT), Denny >
wrote:

>Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
>is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there

Well, Obama seems to have increased his family income from a bit less
than $1 million in 2006 to $1.7 million in 2007, and the Clintons
famously earned $109 million between 2000 and 2006. (By applying for
an extension, they have cleverly managed to boot their 2007 return
information past the Democratic National Convention.) McCain evidently
married a rich lady, as did Kerry of recent fame.

So it would appear that us ugly Americans have also figured out how to
become rich out of public service.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

[Cubdriver]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:16:35 -0700 (PDT), 150flivver
> wrote:

>I think he's a nice enough bloke. I think it's a good idea that he
>"familiarize" himself with flying but I don't think he should be
>awarded RAF wings without passing the entire course. But that's just
>me and I'm not a Brit.

Well, unless the RAF have changed their emblems since WW2, it's not as
if they were wings of gold or even of silver. It's just a cloth patch,
after all (or anyhow used to be)!


Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

Guys:

Don't you get it? Statements like this from Anthony are his usual method for
stirring the pot, and a pathetic attempt on his part to get the attention he
lacks in his own personal life.

He obviously knows nothing about the RAF or flying in general, and never
will.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> He's one of us now:
>

What, he's become a net kkkop?



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

wrote in news:9435ad90-b2c5-4fda-abec-29886fdf1c28
@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 14, 4:01*pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
>> Denny > wrote:
>> > He can share my sky
>>
>> Do either you or Henriques have a receipt for the sky you each claim to
>> own?
>
> Squatters rights, I believe they are called.

Actually, in the UK, the are called "purple airways". They close fligh
paths that the royals travel on. Or at least they used to. I haven't seen
one notamed in a while.




Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
:

> Some Other Guy wrote:
>> Denny wrote:
>>> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
>>> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
>>> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
>>> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
>>
>> For what it's worth, maintaining the entire extended royal family
>> costs 61p per British taxpayer per year. That's about $1.20 US.
>
>
> The last time I looked, that was their perogitive. If they don't feel
> like supporting a manarchy any longer then they can just have a
> revolution like we did. In the meanshile, it's their country and they
> can do as they please.
>
> The whole world doesn't have to be just like us, do they?
>
>
>

But the Brits would like to have the whole world like them. The royal's
fortune as robbed from around the globe. Anwhere they went that they had
difficulty pronouncing local names they just changed them. The reason
you're posting this in English is partly due to that habit of their's.

To this day, the first thing they do when they arrive somewhere is set
up a pub and paint a union jack on the side, and then proceed to run
amok.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2004/08/07/wlout07.xml

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/falirakis-image-of-lager-louts-
to-get-a-transformation-welcome-to-a-haven-for-families-business-and-
nature-735330.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/aug/01/travelnews.conservatio
nandendangeredspecies

http://www.greektravel.com/greekislands/ionian.htm

http://www.expatica.com/es/life_in/feature/spains-battle-against-
drunken-tourism-11239.html

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/sigourd_shack/may_
2007/are_the_british_really_the_worlds_worst_tourist_.h tm

This last one has some particularly comical comments below it. I
particularly like the one where americans are criticised for calling
people "sir" all the time.

But really, you have to see a brit tourist resort to believe it. They
have a number of airlines that do nothg but fly drunken louts to the
mediterranean, the carribean, florida Thailand ( you can imagine what
that's for) and elsewhere, where thye generall mock the natives for
their poor english, snub the food in favor of fish and chips , end up
secrewing and fightinga ll over the place and generally leaving the
place poorer in spite of the money they blow....

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/29A835BC-AAA0-4903-891D-FCDB8A31792F/

[David Horne, _the_ chancellor]

Mxsmanic > wrote:

> george writes:
>
> > Jealousy rears its ignorant head ..
>
> I have no desire to fly

I've edited your post for accuracy.

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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

[Mxsmanic]

Nomen Nescio writes:

> I'll tell you this, Dip****, in Gulf War 1, when US planes were dropping laser
> guided bombs from 20k ft, the RAF was hauling ass in to heavily defended
> airfields at a few hundred feet to drop "runway denial" munitions.

Well, when the RAF catches up on the technology, I'm sure it will be able to
drop laser-guided bombs from 20,000 feet, too.

> I don't think they need to hang their heads in shame in the presence of
> pilots from any other air force in the world.

They have nothing to be ashamed of, but not much to be proud of, either.

> I'll also add that the WORST pilot in the RAF is a better pilot that you will
> ever be.

Even if that were true, it wouldn't be saying much. I don't think military
pilots measure their own skills by comparison with mine.

> Do I detect the bitterness of some jerk off who was born into a fairly privileged
> family and blew every opportunity he had?

No, you detect the dislike for injustice of someone who believes in the Golden
Rule and fair play.

[Jon]

On Apr 16, 10:20 am, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> I know what I want but I just dont know > wrote:
>
> > I have no desire
>
> I've edited your post for accuracy.

Ditto

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article >,
Bertie the > wrote:

> Actually, in the UK, the are called "purple airways". They close fligh
> paths that the royals travel on. Or at least they used to. I haven't seen
> one notamed in a while.

They still do. I've seen a few during my training.

Oddly there wasn't one for Brize when Harry flew back in.

Andy

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:36:54 -0500, "Viperdoc"
> wrote in
>:

>Again, ...


And again, and again, and again....

Don't you have anything useful to contribute? How about something
about aircraft or aviation instead of personalities.

It should be beneath the dignity of a medical doctor to indulge in
this sort petty diatribe, but I suppose it deptnds on the individual
doc....

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Andy Hawkins > wrote in
:

> Hi,
>
> In article >,
> Bertie the > wrote:
>
>> Actually, in the UK, the are called "purple airways". They close
>> fligh paths that the royals travel on. Or at least they used to. I
>> haven't seen one notamed in a while.
>
> They still do. I've seen a few during my training.
>
> Oddly there wasn't one for Brize when Harry flew back in.
>

Prolly cuz it wasn't a civil operation.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Dudley Henriques writes:
>
>> I for one will share my sky with a man of Prince William's obvious
>> character.
>
> So if someone has "character," he doesn't need flying ability or
> training to get a pilot's license?


Wel, that rules you out on both counts.



Bertie

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article >,
Bertie the > wrote:
> Andy Hawkins > wrote in
> :
>> Oddly there wasn't one for Brize when Harry flew back in.
>>
>
> Prolly cuz it wasn't a civil operation.

Yeah, guess so.

Was most upset I didn't get on telly. I was stood about 50 yards away from
his plane as it taxyed past our flying club aircraft. I had the Sky New
'copter hovering above my head as they covered it.

:)

Andy

[george]

On Apr 17, 3:08 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Nomen Nescio writes:
> > I'll tell you this, Dip****, in Gulf War 1, when US planes were dropping laser
> > guided bombs from 20k ft, the RAF was hauling ass in to heavily defended
> > airfields at a few hundred feet to drop "runway denial" munitions.
>
> Well, when the RAF catches up on the technology, I'm sure it will be able to
> drop laser-guided bombs from 20,000 feet, too.


What part of ground attack don't you understand?

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

george wrote:
> On Apr 17, 3:08 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> Nomen Nescio writes:
>>> I'll tell you this, Dip****, in Gulf War 1, when US planes were dropping laser
>>> guided bombs from 20k ft, the RAF was hauling ass in to heavily defended
>>> airfields at a few hundred feet to drop "runway denial" munitions.
>> Well, when the RAF catches up on the technology, I'm sure it will be able to
>> drop laser-guided bombs from 20,000 feet, too.
>
>
> What part of ground attack don't you understand?

If it is aviation related please be assured that MX understands nothing
about it.

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 8:53 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote om:
>
>
>
> > Some Other Guy wrote:
> >> Denny wrote:
> >>> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal Family
> >>> is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over there... We
> >>> put them out of this country and I would put them off the dole in
> >>> England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
>
> >> For what it's worth, maintaining the entire extended royal family
> >> costs 61p per British taxpayer per year. That's about $1.20 US.
>
> > The last time I looked, that was their perogitive. If they don't feel
> > like supporting a manarchy any longer then they can just have a
> > revolution like we did. In the meanshile, it's their country and they
> > can do as they please.
>
> > The whole world doesn't have to be just like us, do they?
>
> But the Brits would like to have the whole world like them. The royal's
> fortune as robbed from around the globe. Anwhere they went that they had
> difficulty pronouncing local names they just changed them. The reason
> you're posting this in English is partly due to that habit of their's.
>
> To this day, the first thing they do when they arrive somewhere is set
> up a pub and paint a union jack on the side, and then proceed to run
> amok.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
> xml=/news/2004/08/07/wlout07.xml
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/falirakis-image-of-lager-louts-
> to-get-a-transformation-welcome-to-a-haven-for-families-business-and-
> nature-735330.html
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/aug/01/travelnews.conservatio
> nandendangeredspecies
>
> http://www.greektravel.com/greekislands/ionian.htm
>
> http://www.expatica.com/es/life_in/feature/spains-battle-against-
> drunken-tourism-11239.html
>
> http://my.telegraph.co.uk/sigourd_shack/may_
> 2007/are_the_british_really_the_worlds_worst_tourist_.h tm
>
> This last one has some particularly comical comments below it. I
> particularly like the one where americans are criticised for calling
> people "sir" all the time.
>
> But really, you have to see a brit tourist resort to believe it. They
> have a number of airlines that do nothg but fly drunken louts to the
> mediterranean, the carribean, florida Thailand ( you can imagine what
> that's for) and elsewhere, where thye generall mock the natives for
> their poor english, snub the food in favor of fish and chips , end up
> secrewing and fightinga ll over the place and generally leaving the
> place poorer in spite of the money they blow....
>
> http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/29A835BC-AAA0-4903-891D-FCDB8A31792F/

Ahem. "Republican" is not spelled "brit tourist".

Am jes' sayin'

Richard

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

wrote in
:

> On Apr 16, 8:53 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote
>> om:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Some Other Guy wrote:
>> >> Denny wrote:
>> >>> Dudley, I am an ugly american that thinks the so called Royal
>> >>> Family is a bunch rich hawgs feeding at the public trough over
>> >>> there... We put them out of this country and I would put them off
>> >>> the dole in England in a heartbeat had I the discretion...
>>
>> >> For what it's worth, maintaining the entire extended royal family
>> >> costs 61p per British taxpayer per year. That's about $1.20 US.
>>
>> > The last time I looked, that was their perogitive. If they don't
>> > feel like supporting a manarchy any longer then they can just have
>> > a revolution like we did. In the meanshile, it's their country and
>> > they can do as they please.
>>
>> > The whole world doesn't have to be just like us, do they?
>>
>> But the Brits would like to have the whole world like them. The
>> royal's fortune as robbed from around the globe. Anwhere they went
>> that they had difficulty pronouncing local names they just changed
>> them. The reason you're posting this in English is partly due to that
>> habit of their's.
>>
>> To this day, the first thing they do when they arrive somewhere is
>> set up a pub and paint a union jack on the side, and then proceed to
>> run amok.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
>> xml=/news/2004/08/07/wlout07.xml
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/falirakis-image-of-lager-
louts
>> -
>> to-get-a-transformation-welcome-to-a-haven-for-families-business-and-
>> nature-735330.html
>>
>>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/aug/01/travelnews.conservat
>> io nandendangeredspecies
>>
>> http://www.greektravel.com/greekislands/ionian.htm
>>
>> http://www.expatica.com/es/life_in/feature/spains-battle-against-
>> drunken-tourism-11239.html
>>
>> http://my.telegraph.co.uk/sigourd_shack/may_
>> 2007/are_the_british_really_the_worlds_worst_tourist_.h tm
>>
>> This last one has some particularly comical comments below it. I
>> particularly like the one where americans are criticised for calling
>> people "sir" all the time.
>>
>> But really, you have to see a brit tourist resort to believe it. They
>> have a number of airlines that do nothg but fly drunken louts to the
>> mediterranean, the carribean, florida Thailand ( you can imagine what
>> that's for) and elsewhere, where thye generall mock the natives for
>> their poor english, snub the food in favor of fish and chips , end up
>> secrewing and fightinga ll over the place and generally leaving the
>> place poorer in spite of the money they blow....
>>
>> http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/29A835BC-AAA0-4903-891D-FCDB8A31792F/
>
> Ahem. "Republican" is not spelled "brit tourist".
>
> Am jes' sayin'
>

You trying to say Brit tourists don't behave like that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGBIjFXeHj0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5I0YgeZUfQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ig6uU2XrrU


Just for openers. I've seen worse. I was in Brussels a few years ago
when the European cup was on....


Bertie

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>You trying to say Brit tourists don't behave like that?
>

Priceless quote from your first Telegraph link above :

"I came because I wanted filth, but we're not getting filth."

Haahaaahhaaa!

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in news:82e16d2c00b28@uwe:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>>You trying to say Brit tourists don't behave like that?
>>
>
> Priceless quote from your first Telegraph link above :
>
> "I came because I wanted filth, but we're not getting filth."
>
> Haahaaahhaaa!
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>

Classy, eh?

Bertie

[Eeyore[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> You trying to say Brit tourists don't behave like that?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGBIjFXeHj0
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5I0YgeZUfQ&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ig6uU2XrrU
>
> Just for openers. I've seen worse. I was in Brussels a few years ago
> when the European cup was on....

And them again there are AMERICAN tourists. Yuk !

Graham

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> You trying to say Brit tourists don't behave like that?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGBIjFXeHj0
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5I0YgeZUfQ&feature=related
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ig6uU2XrrU
>>
>> Just for openers. I've seen worse. I was in Brussels a few years ago
>> when the European cup was on....
>
> And them again there are AMERICAN tourists. Yuk !

Yeah, they're always causing ritos, aren't they?

Shouldn't you be out vomiting on a Greek?

Bertie

[d.g.s.]

On 4/16/2008 1:54 PM george ignored two million years of human evolution
to write:

> On Apr 17, 3:08 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> Nomen Nescio writes:
>>> I'll tell you this, Dip****, in Gulf War 1, when US planes were dropping laser
>>> guided bombs from 20k ft, the RAF was hauling ass in to heavily defended
>>> airfields at a few hundred feet to drop "runway denial" munitions.
>> Well, when the RAF catches up on the technology, I'm sure it will be able to
>> drop laser-guided bombs from 20,000 feet, too.
>
>
> What part of ground attack don't you understand?

In Anthony's case, that would be the part with the words "ground" and
"attack" in it. HTH.
--
dgs