Don't fly to Mexico

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http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_planejacking.6d0cc87f.html

Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

[Steve Foley]

> wrote in message
...
>
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_planejacking.6d0cc87f.html
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

"Small aircraft are commonly used by Mexican drug cartels to smuggle
narcotics. "

Especially Cessna 200 series.

Another good reason to fly a low-wing plane.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

I will if I want to!

Bertie

[Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:3aqNj.14931$mG1.6367@trndny08...
>
> "Small aircraft are commonly used by Mexican drug cartels to smuggle
> narcotics. "
>
> Especially Cessna 200 series.
>
> Another good reason to fly a low-wing plane.
>

Why do you suppose they prefer Cessna 200 series over low-wing planes?

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

You have no idea what you are talking about. Airplanes thefts are
*much* more common in Arizona than Mexico.


-Robert, CFII and frequent Baja flyer

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "SF" == Steve Foley > writes:

SF> > wrote in message
SF> ...
>>
SF> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_planejacking.6d0cc87f.html
>> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

SF> "Small aircraft are commonly used by Mexican drug cartels to
SF> smuggle narcotics. "

SF> Especially Cessna 200 series.

SF> Another good reason to fly a low-wing plane.

Exactly: " Detective Juan Carlos de Jesus Jimenez said the thieves
pulled a car in front of the six-seat Cessna Stationair"

The real lesson is, don't fly 6-seat cargo haulers to Mexico.
--
I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central
Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would
become the American Gestapo.
~ Harry S Truman, 1961

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 10:58*am, Bob Fry > wrote:

> The real lesson is, don't fly 6-seat cargo haulers to Mexico.

Someone else suggested a sticker (in Spanish and English) "CAUTION:
Live Snakes".


-Robert

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 11:54*am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. Airplanes thefts are
> *much* more common in Arizona than Mexico.
>
> -Robert, CFII and frequent Baja flyer

Really, how many airplanes have been stolen at gunpoint in Arizona?

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 11:54*am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. Airplanes thefts are
> *much* more common in Arizona than Mexico.
>
> -Robert, CFII and frequent Baja flyer

Really? How many airplanes have been stolen at gunpoint in Arizona?

[Peter Dohm]

> wrote in message
...
On Apr 16, 11:54 am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30 am, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. Airplanes thefts are
> *much* more common in Arizona than Mexico.
>
> -Robert, CFII and frequent Baja flyer

Really, how many airplanes have been stolen at gunpoint in Arizona?

-------------------------------------------------

We can only "communicate" if we use our language properly. Hijacking is
robbery, it is not theft!

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 11:11*am, wrote:

>
> Really, how many airplanes have been stolen at gunpoint in Arizona?

Certainly the chances of being robbed at gunpoint are greater in
Arizona than Mexico.

-Robert

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Apr 16, 12:30*pm, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

So no one noticed that Yawn is now a detective? lol

"Detective Juan Carlos de Jesus Jimenez said the thieves pulled a car
in front of the six-seat Cessna Stationair, knocked out one of its
windows and forced the tourists out at gunpoint."

Wil

[Steve Foley]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
m...

>
> Why do you suppose they prefer Cessna 200 series over low-wing planes?
>
>

Beats me. I'm not a drug runner.

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30 am, wrote:
>> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>>
>> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. Airplanes thefts are
> *much* more common in Arizona than Mexico.
>
>
> -Robert, CFII and frequent Baja flyer


Maybe, but is the pilot and his family IN the planes when they steal
them in AZ?

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

If this had happened in California I trust you would have the same
recomendation? Flying in Mexico is unlike any type of flying on earth.
In fact if I could no longer fly in Mexico I would likely sell my
plane. There is simply no place on earth more beautfiul to fly over.
There is no other place where you can pet whales, swim with sea lions
and snorkle in water with unlimited visibility and only be a few hours
from California. Flying into Mexico is like stepping back in time.
Before air congestion, before airspace was eaten up by B's and C',
before things got so complicated. Plus, its easy to justify a 2 hour
flight when the drive would be more than a day. The people in Mexico
are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
as much as in the US.

-robert

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 1:49*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> If this had happened in California I trust you would have the same
> recomendation? Flying in Mexico is unlike any type of flying on earth.
> In fact if I could no longer fly in Mexico I would likely sell my
> plane. There is simply no place on earth more beautfiul to fly over.
> There is no other place where you can pet whales, swim with sea lions
> and snorkle in water with unlimited visibility and only be a few hours
> from California. Flying into Mexico is like stepping back in time.
> Before air congestion, before airspace was eaten up by B's and C',
> before things got so complicated. Plus, its easy to justify a 2 hour
> flight when the drive would be more than a day. The people in Mexico
> are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
> as much as in the US.
>
> -robert

Has there ever been a case of criminals forcing someone out of their
airplane at gunpoint in California, or any other state, so that they
could steal the airplane? I haven't heard of any such case. Do you
have an example?

And yes, if this was happening in California, I would recommend that
people not fly there either.

[xyzzy]

On Apr 16, 12:30 pm, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

Oh, that's all? I was worried you were going to say that Mexican tax
officials were planning to start collecting use taxes on planes flown
down there, or something like that.

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 2:51*pm, xyzzy > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 12:30 pm, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> Oh, that's all? *I was worried you were going to say that Mexican tax
> officials were planning to start collecting use taxes on planes flown
> down there, or something like that.

No, just something minor like having to worry about someone killing
your entire family. Pretty minor compared to the tax issue...

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 1:44*pm, wrote:
> On Apr 16, 1:49*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> > >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane....
>
> > > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> > If this had happened in California I trust you would have the same
> > recomendation? Flying in Mexico is unlike any type of flying on earth.
> > In fact if I could no longer fly in Mexico I would likely sell my
> > plane. There is simply no place on earth more beautfiul to fly over.
> > There is no other place where you can pet whales, swim with sea lions
> > and snorkle in water with unlimited visibility and only be a few hours
> > from California. Flying into Mexico is like stepping back in time.
> > Before air congestion, before airspace was eaten up by B's and C',
> > before things got so complicated. Plus, its easy to justify a 2 hour
> > flight when the drive would be more than a day. The people in Mexico
> > are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
> > as much as in the US.
>
> > -robert
>
> Has there ever been a case of criminals forcing someone out of their
> airplane at gunpoint in California, or any other state, so that they
> could steal the airplane? *I haven't heard of any such case. *Do you
> have an example?

To my knowledge this is the first time this has happened. Certainly
not a pattern from which you would make generalized assumptions.

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 1:53*pm, wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2:51*pm, xyzzy > wrote:

> No, just something minor like having to worry about someone killing
> your entire family. *Pretty minor compared to the tax issue...

That's what I think of when I see there is an airport in Compton Los
Angeles. Who would be crazy enough to land there?

-robert

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 2:55*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 1:44*pm, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 1:49*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane....
>
> > > > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> > > If this had happened in California I trust you would have the same
> > > recomendation? Flying in Mexico is unlike any type of flying on earth.
> > > In fact if I could no longer fly in Mexico I would likely sell my
> > > plane. There is simply no place on earth more beautfiul to fly over.
> > > There is no other place where you can pet whales, swim with sea lions
> > > and snorkle in water with unlimited visibility and only be a few hours
> > > from California. Flying into Mexico is like stepping back in time.
> > > Before air congestion, before airspace was eaten up by B's and C',
> > > before things got so complicated. Plus, its easy to justify a 2 hour
> > > flight when the drive would be more than a day. The people in Mexico
> > > are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
> > > as much as in the US.
>
> > > -robert
>
> > Has there ever been a case of criminals forcing someone out of their
> > airplane at gunpoint in California, or any other state, so that they
> > could steal the airplane? *I haven't heard of any such case. *Do you
> > have an example?
>
> To my knowledge this is the first time this has happened. Certainly
> not a pattern from which you would make generalized assumptions.
>
> -Robert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The drug gangs in Mexico have killed a lot of people in recent years.
Even one event such as this targeting light airplanes is a disturbing
development, and there is a good chance that they will do it again. I
for one wouldn't take that chance, and I think it is important that
pilots be aware of this. Are you saying that I shouldn't warn
people?

You can take that chance if you want Robert, but I don't think it is
worth the risk. Frankly, it ****es me off that these scumbags
threatened a family with small children. I doubt that the Mexican
cops will ever find these guys. They don't control their side of the
border with the U.S., and they can't seem to stop their extremely
violent drug cartels that kill honest police officers and bribe the
dishonest police officers.

Oh, and I wouldn't set foot in Watts, California either.

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:44:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote in
>:

>Has there ever been a case of criminals forcing someone out of their
>airplane at gunpoint in California, or any other state, so that they
>could steal the airplane? I haven't heard of any such case. Do you
>have an example?
>
>And yes, if this was happening in California, I would recommend that
>people not fly there either.

In LA the gang bangers, and other motorists, take pot shots at other
drivers: http://www.knbc.com/news/4449599/detail.html . I've seen
bumper stickers: "I Return Fire."

Here's a recent one:
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2008/03/freeway-shootin.html

March 31, 2008
Freeway Shooting
Los Angeles: The Los Angeles Police Department is investigating
the shooting of 20-year-old, Marlon Gordillo Sical, a Los Angeles
resident.

On Sunday, March 30, 2008, at around 8:15 a.m., Mr. Sical was shot
while driving his white four-door Honda Accord, southbound on the
101 freeway, near the Van Nuys Boulevard off ramp. As a result of
being shot, he lost control of his vehicle and crashed into the
center divider.

Paramedics responded and transported Mr. Sical to a....



And the Sheriff won't answer Grand Jury questions:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-inmate8apr08,0,2498461.story
...
The Sheriff's Department tried to keep the grand jury's evidence
secret. The Times and the Orange County Register went to court to have
the transcripts made public. They show that then-Sheriff Michael S.
Carona exercised his 5th Amendment rights rather than answer the
panel's questions.

The grand jury found that while one of the ranking guards at the
jail in Orange exchanged personal cellphone text messages and watched
the television show "Cops," a 41-year-old computer technician was
stomped and beaten to death not far from the glass-walled guard
station.

Though the pummeling lasted up to 50 minutes, guards said they
were unaware of it until it was over. While jail logs from that day
said guards checked the cellblock where the beating occurred every 30
minutes, the grand jury concluded that the area had not been checked
for five hours.

The transcripts suggest that a mixture of systemic indolence and
officially sanctioned inmate violence underpinned the death of the
inmate, John Derek Chamberlain.

"Inmates do run the jail system," Phillip Le, a deputy on duty at
the jail that day, told the grand jury. "There is more inmates than
deputies."

Chamberlain was in custody on suspicion of possessing child
pornography when inmates dragged him into Cubicle D and attacked him
in successive waves, at times washing blood from the crime scene and
their own clothes. Inmates believed, mistakenly, that he had been
charged with molestation.

He suffered 43 displaced rib fractures and was stripped,
sodomized, spat on and urinated upon. During the attack, he screamed
and pleaded for help. According to testimony, jail guard Kevin Taylor
spent that time watching "Cops" and exchanged 22 personal text
messages on his cellphone. It was not until an inmate stood in front
of the guard station, waving his arms at the window, that deputies
said they noticed something wrong.

"The cumulative evidence often demonstrated that vigilance was the
exception as opposed to the rule," according to a the report of the
investigation prepared by Rackauckas.

Four inmates told investigators that jail deputies falsely told
inmates that Chamberlain had been charged with molestation, setting up
the fatal attack. But Rackauckas said the inmates' story could not be
corroborated independently. Nor was there enough evidence to charge
sheriff's deputies and officials, even though several lied to the
grand jury, he said. The district attorney's summary report also
showed instances in which deputies tampered with and withheld evidence
and interfered with the grand jury investigation.

Rackauckas expressed doubt about a log entry at 2:30 p.m. on the
day of Chamberlain's slaying, saying that the Mission Viejo man told
deputies he was not in fear for his life. "That's probably not very
believable, but we don't have any evidence to contradict it," he said
in a statement. "We don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that
the entry is a falsification."

As part of its probe, the grand jury examined why the Sheriff's
Department, then under the command of Carona, insisted on conducting
the investigation into Chamberlain's death, despite a clear county
policy that the task belonged to the district attorney's office.

Despite the "thorough and complete" work of the grand jury,
Rackauckas said, he still did not know who in the sheriff's chain of
command determined that the agency would investigate. Carona refused
to cooperate with the inquiry. Asked if he was the sheriff of Orange
County the day Chamberlain died, Carona declined to answer that
question as well. Prosecutors finally gave up and excused Carona. ...

[Jim Logajan]

wrote:
> Has there ever been a case of criminals forcing someone out of their
> airplane at gunpoint in California, or any other state, so that they
> could steal the airplane? I haven't heard of any such case. Do you
> have an example?

I vaguely recall some criminals stealing a few planes in some eastern U.S.
states at knifepoint and crashing a couple of them into a couple buildings.
Not sure if you heard about it - I think it was on the news about 6 or 7
years ago.

> And yes, if this was happening in California, I would recommend that
> people not fly there either.

The incident I'm thinking of happened in the U.S., so I presume you would
not recommend flying in that country either.

[Stefan]

> The incident I'm thinking of happened in the U.S., so I presume you would
> not recommend flying in that country either.

Lately a guy was killed in the USA who did nothing particular, he just
lived there. So I would not recommend to live in the USA at all.

[NW_Pilot]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 16, 9:30 am, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

You have no idea what you are talking about. Airplanes thefts are
*much* more common in Arizona than Mexico.


-Robert, CFII and frequent Baja flyer

If you can afford that plane you can afford a tracking system...

Or

A poor mans tracking system, I been playing with the spot could make a
simple old school 555 timer circuit to auto activate the OK message button
every 5 or 10 min and place in the wing tip with a power wire and track it.

[bobmrg]

On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

Back in the 60s I belonged to a club that had two airplanes, a 172 and
a 182. We were self-insured. One of the members (the treasurer, as it
happens) took the 182 to Mexico and, after having an engine problem,
landed on a remote strip. There were a few locals standing around, and
they promised to keep an eye on the plane while the club member went
into town to get a mechanic. When he returned, he said that the
airplane looked as though it had been hit with golf balls...every
surface was dimpled or caved it...and the locals were gone. As I
recall, we salvaged the engine, but the airframe was a total loss.

Bob Gardner

[NW_Pilot]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 16, 9:30 am, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

If this had happened in California I trust you would have the same
recomendation? Flying in Mexico is unlike any type of flying on earth.
In fact if I could no longer fly in Mexico I would likely sell my
plane. There is simply no place on earth more beautfiul to fly over.
There is no other place where you can pet whales, swim with sea lions
and snorkle in water with unlimited visibility and only be a few hours
from California. Flying into Mexico is like stepping back in time.
Before air congestion, before airspace was eaten up by B's and C',
before things got so complicated. Plus, its easy to justify a 2 hour
flight when the drive would be more than a day. The people in Mexico
are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
as much as in the US.

-robert

I like flying in Mexico, simple just costs money.... 206's and 210 are very
popular for drug running every time I been there in one it's been look at
closer then a 182 or 172. I get to push the button on the stop light hahaha
now that a random security screening.

[BT]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:6usNj.6481$eg2.5557@trndny06...
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>
>> Why do you suppose they prefer Cessna 200 series over low-wing planes?
>>
>>
>
> Beats me. I'm not a drug runner.
>

To clear the scrub brush and high berms on the sides of the dirt roads they
land on.

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "deanwil" == deanwil > writes:

deanwil> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_planejacking.6d0cc87f.html
deanwil> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gWWEumEgabEx19x3RqJuUXFvihuAD90353H01
Going to college in the USA can't be worth the risk....
--
Everything has been figured out, except how to live.
~ Jean Paul Sartre

[NW_Pilot]

(The drug gangs in Mexico have killed a lot of people in recent years.
Even one event such as this targeting light airplanes is a disturbing
development, and there is a good chance that they will do it again. I
for one wouldn't take that chance, and I think it is important that
pilots be aware of this. Are you saying that I shouldn't warn
people?



Oh, and I wouldn't set foot in Watts, California either.)

I bet if the media said the world was ending you would believe it! Don't let
Fear control you! I am a white boy and been in the Watts neighborhood alone
at night even slept on the street there still here... I was a American
walking the streets of Beirut Lebanon alone during the day and at night in
September 2006 Guess what still alive... The world is a safe place if you
have the right attitude and mentality. Only place that caught my attention
and almost set off my fear instinct was Luanda, Angola but again nothing
happened... I just was extra cautious and learned my suroundings.

The media in this country is owned by religion and fuel by the government
both have a history of controlling people by fear!!! Turn your brain on and
think for yourself... and have some street smarts and independent thoughts!

The media lies and dose not tell the entire truth or is helping religous or
goverment cover up issues...

I would even go to Iraq right now if I had the chance.... and the pay was
good enough!

[NW_Pilot]

"No, just something minor like having to worry about someone killing
your entire family. Pretty minor compared to the tax issue..."

Hummm!!! I think at the point of being plane/car jacked with guyes the plane
/car becomes the insurance company you don't argue with some one holding a
automatic rifle or you risk becoming a candidate for a Darwin award... use
some Common sense and stay alive.

[Jules]

wrote:

> The drug gangs in Mexico have killed a lot of people in recent years.

As opposed to drug gangs where.......

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>The people in Mexico
>are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
>as much as in the US.

Ahem. Maybe where YOU live, Robert, but not where I do.

America still exists in the heartland. There really are still places where
we don't lock our doors, and where we can walk downtown at 3 AM without
concern.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"NW_Pilot" wrote

> I would even go to Iraq right now if I had the chance.... and the pay was good
> enough!

You have hit on the very difference why you would go to these places, where
there is a measurably higher chance of losing your life. You will take risks
for money, like you said above. You are a risk taker. You will do things if
the payoff is high enough.

You fly single engine airplanes, with sometimes questionable modifications, over
gross, filled with hundred(s) of gallons of aviation fuel, over hundreds of
miles of water, where if something goes wrong, and you have to land in the
water, there is a good chance you will die before someone finds you; if you do
survive the landing. Dangerous. Most of the time people get away with it, but
some don't.

You roll Cessna 150's. Dangerous, but again, most get away with it.

You walk around in places where you are easily identified as out of your
element, and sometimes are viewed as the enemy. Dangerous. Some pay with their
life.

Why do you do it? Beats me. I have to believe that some of it is the thrill.
Some is for the money.

Most people would not do it for the thrill or the money. You will. Fine, that
is for you to decide, but don't throw it back at us, saying that we are stupid
for being afraid of the picture the media has put out there. I won't argue that
the media does not always (or usually) paint a complete and fair picture, but,
DUH ! ! ! All of these things have a better than average day's chance of
killing a person. MOST WILL NOT DO THESE THINGS because they do NOT want to
increase their chance of getting killed, any more than they have to. They do
not have to do any of these risky behaviors, and would not, even with a big
reward. They place primary emphasis on staying alive.

I would say flying into Mexico puts you at higher risk of something bad
happening. Lose an airplane, have a plane damaged, parts stolen, or whatever.
Perhaps a highjacking. For what gain? I'm not sure. Interesting place, but
interesting enough to put up with the chance of financial loss?

Not me. For some, OK, but it sure does not hurt to inform people of the current
climate.
--
Jim in NC

[Dan[_1_]]

On Apr 16, 4:39*pm, bobmrg > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> Back in the 60s I belonged to a club that had two airplanes, a 172 and
> a 182. We were self-insured. One of the members (the treasurer, as it
> happens) took the 182 to Mexico and, after having an engine problem,
> landed on a remote strip. There were a few locals standing around, and
> they promised to keep an eye on the plane while the club member went
> into town to get a mechanic. When he returned, he said that the
> airplane looked as though it had been hit with golf balls...every
> surface was dimpled or caved it...and the locals were gone. As I
> recall, we salvaged the engine, but the airframe was a total loss.
>
> Bob Gardner

Why would they do that? Was there equipment stolen? What would they
gain from destroying a perfectly good aircraft?

--Dan

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-04-16 19:56:26 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > said:

>> The people in Mexico
>> are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
>> as much as in the US.
>
> Ahem. Maybe where YOU live, Robert, but not where I do.
>
> America still exists in the heartland. There really are still places
> where we don't lock our doors, and where we can walk downtown at 3 AM
> without concern.

What's downtown? Our nearest 'town' has a population of 700. We live 10
miles from there. Where I live you don't go out at 3 AM for the same
reason David Crockett didn't go out at 3 AM. Bears. There is a bear
that lives in my back yard. Most of the 'neighbors' have at least one
or two, also.

Got to admit, though, those bears do keep the bad boys away. :-)

The deer are kind of bad-tempered as well. And I wouldn't get too close
to our beach late at night, either. There are things out there that eat
orcas. There was a killer whale that was nearly killed by a 14 foot
giant octopus not far from here. It took three other orcas nearly ten
minutes to knock it off their pod-mate. The octopus was sitting on her
blow hole and she couldn't breathe. Whole crowd watched it.

My front lawn is frequently visited by a bald eagle with a 10'
wingspan. That is 1/4 the size of a Cessna. She was sitting on a log
out there not long ago. The log was 18 inches in diameter, and her
talons went around it like a sparrow's feet on a twig. I wouldn't want
to irritate her, either. I once saw her and her mate gang up on a
yearling seal and kill it in a matter of seconds. Then they and their
young ones took turns flying CAP while the rest ate it.

Even our moles are scary.

Our coons and bats are all rabid.

We don't get a lot of houses burgled around here. In fact, the most
exciting thing that has happened in months around here was a couple
days ago when someone got confused and drove their car through the wall
of the post office. Nearly caused the whole building to collapse.

The biggest theft we have seen around here in years was a couple
chipmunks raided our bird feeder yesterday. I hear those chipmunks can
be pretty dangerous, too.

And the pig....
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Got to admit, though, those bears do keep the bad boys away. :-)

I'll bet.

We don't have bears (thankfully), but we've got deer as thick as flies (just
had a motorcyclist die here yesterday, on our first really nice day, when
she swerved to miss a deer), moles that keep wrecking the lawn at the hotel,
and 'coons the size of pigs waddling around. And the bald eagles on the
Iowa River have become ubiquitous.

We do have crime, but it's of the college student variety -- usually public
intox. As long as the stay out of my business, that's the kind of crime we
can chuckle at (and it's actually HUGELY profitable for the city...).
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:31:01 -0700, C J Campbell
> wrote in
<2008041621310116807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

>On 2008-04-16 19:56:26 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > said:
>
>>> The people in Mexico
>>> are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
>>> as much as in the US.
>>
>> Ahem. Maybe where YOU live, Robert, but not where I do.
>>
>> America still exists in the heartland. There really are still places
>> where we don't lock our doors, and where we can walk downtown at 3 AM
>> without concern.
>
>What's downtown? Our nearest 'town' has a population of 700. We live 10
>miles from there. Where I live you don't go out at 3 AM for the same
>reason David Crockett didn't go out at 3 AM. Bears. There is a bear
>that lives in my back yard. Most of the 'neighbors' have at least one
>or two, also.
>
>Got to admit, though, those bears do keep the bad boys away. :-)
>
>The deer are kind of bad-tempered as well. And I wouldn't get too close
>to our beach late at night, either. There are things out there that eat
>orcas. There was a killer whale that was nearly killed by a 14 foot
>giant octopus not far from here. It took three other orcas nearly ten
>minutes to knock it off their pod-mate. The octopus was sitting on her
>blow hole and she couldn't breathe. Whole crowd watched it.
>
>My front lawn is frequently visited by a bald eagle with a 10'
>wingspan. That is 1/4 the size of a Cessna. She was sitting on a log
>out there not long ago. The log was 18 inches in diameter, and her
>talons went around it like a sparrow's feet on a twig. I wouldn't want
>to irritate her, either. I once saw her and her mate gang up on a
>yearling seal and kill it in a matter of seconds. Then they and their
>young ones took turns flying CAP while the rest ate it.
>
>Even our moles are scary.
>
>Our coons and bats are all rabid.
>
>We don't get a lot of houses burgled around here. In fact, the most
>exciting thing that has happened in months around here was a couple
>days ago when someone got confused and drove their car through the wall
>of the post office. Nearly caused the whole building to collapse.
>
>The biggest theft we have seen around here in years was a couple
>chipmunks raided our bird feeder yesterday. I hear those chipmunks can
>be pretty dangerous, too.
>
>And the pig....


Incredible! Thanks for the giggle.

[AJ]

On Apr 16, 2:24 pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:11 am, wrote:
>
> > Really, how many airplanes have been stolen at gunpoint in Arizona?
>
> Certainly the chances of being robbed at gunpoint are greater in
> Arizona than Mexico.
>
> -Robert

What's so "certain" about that?

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 2:05*pm, wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2:55*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> The drug gangs in Mexico have killed a lot of people in recent years.

Killed a lot of each other. Can you find evidence of any Americans
having been killed by "drug gangs".

> Even one event such as this targeting light airplanes is a disturbing
> development, and there is a good chance that they will do it again.

Not likely. The story I hear from friends that live in Mulege is that
these guys were in town and got into some trouble. The airplane taking
off just happened to be a convient chance they stumbled upon. It
wasn't like they were waiting for the plane. The plane fired up,
probably sat for awhile after firing up, then made the 10 minute long
slow taxi down to the end of the runway, turned around, did all its
runup etc, *then* these guys showed up. They probably had time to take
a shower before running up to the plane.

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 4:42*pm, "NW_Pilot" <service(Spam)@aircraft"nospam"-me-
ok-"spamer"delivery.net> wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in ...

> I like flying in Mexico, simple just costs money.... 206's and 210 are very
> popular for drug running every time I been there in one it's been look at
> closer then a 182 or 172. *I get to push the button on the stop light hahaha
> now that a random security screening.

Interesting that there is always an old guy who appears deaf sitting
right next to the light. :)I always travel with the kids and I've
never gotten a red light. In fact, I can't remember even being asked
to press the button in the last 3 years.

-robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 4:39*pm, bobmrg > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> Back in the 60s I belonged to a club that had two airplanes, a 172 and
> a 182. We were self-insured. One of the members (the treasurer, as it
> happens) took the 182 to Mexico and, after having an engine problem,
> landed on a remote strip.

The 60's is probably where most of these stories got started. Today
everyone claims to have known someone who's airplane has been stolen
in Mexico. Jack from Baja Bush Pilots challenges us to ask if the
story includes in a N number. It rarely does. Some planes have been
stolen in Mexico, but again, not nearly as frequently as in Arizona.
Stealing a plane in Mexico requires a bit more advanced criminal than
it does in the US. In Mexico you can't even buy avgas without
presenting a license.

-Robret

[[email protected]]

On Apr 16, 10:24*pm, Dan > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 4:39*pm, bobmrg > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> > >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane....
>
> > > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> > Back in the 60s I belonged to a club that had two airplanes, a 172 and
> > a 182. We were self-insured. One of the members (the treasurer, as it
> > happens) took the 182 to Mexico and, after having an engine problem,
> > landed on a remote strip. There were a few locals standing around, and
> > they promised to keep an eye on the plane while the club member went
> > into town to get a mechanic. When he returned, he said that the
> > airplane looked as though it had been hit with golf balls...every
> > surface was dimpled or caved it...and the locals were gone. As I
> > recall, we salvaged the engine, but the airframe was a total loss.
>
> > Bob Gardner
>
> Why would they do that? *Was there equipment stolen? *What would they
> gain from destroying a perfectly good aircraft?
>
> *--Dan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's Mexico... you have to ask that question?

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-04-17 06:11:05 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:

> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:31:01 -0700, C J Campbell
> > wrote in
> <2008041621310116807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>
>> On 2008-04-16 19:56:26 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > said:
>>
>>>> The people in Mexico
>>>> are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
>>>> as much as in the US.
>>>
>>> Ahem. Maybe where YOU live, Robert, but not where I do.
>>>
>>> America still exists in the heartland. There really are still places
>>> where we don't lock our doors, and where we can walk downtown at 3 AM
>>> without concern.
>>
>> What's downtown? Our nearest 'town' has a population of 700. We live 10
>> miles from there. Where I live you don't go out at 3 AM for the same
>> reason David Crockett didn't go out at 3 AM. Bears. There is a bear
>> that lives in my back yard. Most of the 'neighbors' have at least one
>> or two, also.
>>
>> Got to admit, though, those bears do keep the bad boys away. :-)
>>
>> The deer are kind of bad-tempered as well. And I wouldn't get too close
>> to our beach late at night, either. There are things out there that eat
>> orcas. There was a killer whale that was nearly killed by a 14 foot
>> giant octopus not far from here. It took three other orcas nearly ten
>> minutes to knock it off their pod-mate. The octopus was sitting on her
>> blow hole and she couldn't breathe. Whole crowd watched it.
>>
>> My front lawn is frequently visited by a bald eagle with a 10'
>> wingspan. That is 1/4 the size of a Cessna. She was sitting on a log
>> out there not long ago. The log was 18 inches in diameter, and her
>> talons went around it like a sparrow's feet on a twig. I wouldn't want
>> to irritate her, either. I once saw her and her mate gang up on a
>> yearling seal and kill it in a matter of seconds. Then they and their
>> young ones took turns flying CAP while the rest ate it.
>>
>> Even our moles are scary.
>>
>> Our coons and bats are all rabid.
>>
>> We don't get a lot of houses burgled around here. In fact, the most
>> exciting thing that has happened in months around here was a couple
>> days ago when someone got confused and drove their car through the wall
>> of the post office. Nearly caused the whole building to collapse.
>>
>> The biggest theft we have seen around here in years was a couple
>> chipmunks raided our bird feeder yesterday. I hear those chipmunks can
>> be pretty dangerous, too.
>>
>> And the pig....
>
>
> Incredible! Thanks for the giggle.

See, Obama has us all wrong. There is so much more to life than guns
and religion out here. We also have fishing, ATVing, boating, and
logging old growth forest. (Earth First! We'll log the rest later!)
Some of us even do a little whaling on the sly. If we need cash, we
just whip up a batch of crack cocaine or a little meth and sell it to
the bleeding heart liberals in town.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 17, 9:01*am, wrote:
> On Apr 16, 10:24*pm, Dan > wrote:
> It's Mexico... you have to ask that question

Gee for someone who knows nothing about flying south of the boarder
you sure make yourself out to be the expert. You are often in error,
but clearly, never in doubt.

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 4:39*pm, "NW_Pilot" <service(Spam)@aircraft"nospam"-me-
ok-"spamer"delivery.net> wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in ...
> On Apr 16, 9:30 am, wrote:

> A poor mans tracking system, I been playing with the spot could make a
> simple old school 555 timer circuit to auto activate the OK message button
> every 5 or 10 min and place in the wing tip with a power wire and track it..

I use Spot in Mexico. I've been very happy with it.

-robert

[gatt[_3_]]

wrote:

>
> And yes, if this was happening in California, I would recommend that
> people not fly there either.

Hmm. Well, (respectfully), more pilots are lost to night VFR accidents
in California than to hijacking, so one could say "don't fly in
California at night."

Of course, if I were flying in Mexico and hijackings were common I'd
probably take a much closer look around the airfield before starting up.

-c

[[email protected]]

On Apr 17, 10:22*am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 17, 9:01*am, wrote:
>
> > On Apr 16, 10:24*pm, Dan > wrote:
> > It's Mexico... you have to ask that question
>
> Gee for someone who knows nothing about flying south of the boarder
> you sure make yourself out to be the expert. You are often in error,
> but clearly, never in doubt.
>
> -Robert

I've been south of the border. That's enough to know I wouldn't want
to fly there.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 17, 11:14*am, wrote:
> On Apr 17, 10:22*am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> I've been south of the border. *That's enough to know I wouldn't want
> to fly there.

When did you fly there? On what do you base your extensive knowledge
of flying in Mexico on? Since you seem to have quick answers to all of
us that fly there regularly and disagree with you, I'd like to know
what experiences you have that trumps ours.

-Robert

[NW_Pilot]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:RSGNj.70632$TT4.32369@attbi_s22...
>> Got to admit, though, those bears do keep the bad boys away. :-)
>
> I'll bet.
>
> We don't have bears (thankfully), but we've got deer as thick as flies
> (just had a motorcyclist die here yesterday, on our first really nice day,
> when she swerved to miss a deer), moles that keep wrecking the lawn at the
> hotel, and 'coons the size of pigs waddling around. And the bald eagles
> on the Iowa River have become ubiquitous.
>
> We do have crime, but it's of the college student variety -- usually
> public intox. As long as the stay out of my business, that's the kind of
> crime we can chuckle at (and it's actually HUGELY profitable for the
> city...).
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Pub intox with the great brew pubs I can see why!

[NW_Pilot]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2008041709033216807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2008-04-17 06:11:05 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:31:01 -0700, C J Campbell
>> > wrote in
>> <2008041621310116807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>>
>>> On 2008-04-16 19:56:26 -0700, "Jay Honeck" >
>>> said:
>>>
>>>>> The people in Mexico
>>>>> are very friendly and you can walk the streets without having to worry
>>>>> as much as in the US.
>>>>
>>>> Ahem. Maybe where YOU live, Robert, but not where I do.
>>>>
>>>> America still exists in the heartland. There really are still places
>>>> where we don't lock our doors, and where we can walk downtown at 3 AM
>>>> without concern.
>>>
>>> What's downtown? Our nearest 'town' has a population of 700. We live 10
>>> miles from there. Where I live you don't go out at 3 AM for the same
>>> reason David Crockett didn't go out at 3 AM. Bears. There is a bear
>>> that lives in my back yard. Most of the 'neighbors' have at least one
>>> or two, also.
>>>
>>> Got to admit, though, those bears do keep the bad boys away. :-)
>>>
>>> The deer are kind of bad-tempered as well. And I wouldn't get too close
>>> to our beach late at night, either. There are things out there that eat
>>> orcas. There was a killer whale that was nearly killed by a 14 foot
>>> giant octopus not far from here. It took three other orcas nearly ten
>>> minutes to knock it off their pod-mate. The octopus was sitting on her
>>> blow hole and she couldn't breathe. Whole crowd watched it.
>>>
>>> My front lawn is frequently visited by a bald eagle with a 10'
>>> wingspan. That is 1/4 the size of a Cessna. She was sitting on a log
>>> out there not long ago. The log was 18 inches in diameter, and her
>>> talons went around it like a sparrow's feet on a twig. I wouldn't want
>>> to irritate her, either. I once saw her and her mate gang up on a
>>> yearling seal and kill it in a matter of seconds. Then they and their
>>> young ones took turns flying CAP while the rest ate it.
>>>
>>> Even our moles are scary.
>>>
>>> Our coons and bats are all rabid.
>>>
>>> We don't get a lot of houses burgled around here. In fact, the most
>>> exciting thing that has happened in months around here was a couple
>>> days ago when someone got confused and drove their car through the wall
>>> of the post office. Nearly caused the whole building to collapse.
>>>
>>> The biggest theft we have seen around here in years was a couple
>>> chipmunks raided our bird feeder yesterday. I hear those chipmunks can
>>> be pretty dangerous, too.
>>>
>>> And the pig....
>>
>>
>> Incredible! Thanks for the giggle.
>
> See, Obama has us all wrong. There is so much more to life than guns and
> religion out here. We also have fishing, ATVing, boating, and logging old
> growth forest. (Earth First! We'll log the rest later!) Some of us even do
> a little whaling on the sly. If we need cash, we just whip up a batch of
> crack cocaine or a little meth and sell it to the bleeding heart liberals
> in town.
>
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor
>

Your funny, I cling to guns... and airplanes!!! hahahaha....
http://www.ferrypilotservice.com/100RD_AK.jpg

[NW_Pilot]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 16, 4:42 pm, "NW_Pilot" <service(Spam)@aircraft"nospam"-me-
ok-"spamer"delivery.net> wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
> ...

> I like flying in Mexico, simple just costs money.... 206's and 210 are
> very
> popular for drug running every time I been there in one it's been look at
> closer then a 182 or 172. I get to push the button on the stop light
> hahaha
> now that a random security screening.

Interesting that there is always an old guy who appears deaf sitting
right next to the light. :)I always travel with the kids and I've
never gotten a red light. In fact, I can't remember even being asked
to press the button in the last 3 years.

-robert

Yea, I have only gotten the light twice.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"NW_Pilot" wrote>
> Yea, I have only gotten the light twice.

What is this light you keep talking about?
--
Jim in NC

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Robert M. Gary wrote:

>
>Not likely. The story I hear from friends that live in Mulege is that
>these guys were in town and got into some trouble. The airplane taking
>off just happened to be a convient chance they stumbled upon. It
>wasn't like they were waiting for the plane. The plane fired up,
>probably sat for awhile after firing up, then made the 10 minute long
>slow taxi down to the end of the runway, turned around, did all its
>runup etc, *then* these guys showed up. They probably had time to take
>a shower before running up to the plane.
>

I'm not sure if I buy the "random theft" story. First of all, what are the
chances that some random troublemaker in town is going to know how to fly a
206? Second, I recall that Mulege is usually very well attended by well
armed (M-16, H&K) military types.

Corruption being what it is in Mexico, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to
believe that a cartel in need of a cargo hauler paid the military boys to
look the other way for a few moments.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
Message posted via AviationKB.com
http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200804/1

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 17, 5:27*pm, "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote:

> * I'm not sure if I buy the "random theft" story. *First of all, what are the
> chances that some random troublemaker in town is going to know how to fly a
> 206? *Second, I recall that Mulege is usually very well attended by well
> armed (M-16, H&K) military types. * *


The military left 2 years ago. However, after this incident, the gov't
has commited to having a full time military base on the field. Mulege
is a very small town (probably 30% Americans) and the locals are still
coming to grips with what happened.

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

Interesting article by the BBP...
http://www.bajabushpilots.com/pdf/Aircraft%20taken.pdf
Its interesting to note that there were many more Americans assulted
in Phoenix than in all of Mexico (I'm sure there are more Americans in
Mexico than Pheonix). In anycase, the military is commited to having
a full time military base on the field as a result of this.
If you got robbed in the park would the US military offer to build a
base to protect the park?

-Robert

[Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]]

"BT" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> news:6usNj.6481$eg2.5557@trndny06...
>> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>
>>>
>>> Why do you suppose they prefer Cessna 200 series over low-wing planes?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Beats me. I'm not a drug runner.
>>
>
> To clear the scrub brush and high berms on the sides of the dirt roads
> they land on.

Another advantage of high-wing planes over low-wing planes.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Apr 17, 2:08*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "NW_Pilot" *wrote>
>
> > Yea, I have only gotten the light twice.
>
> What is this light you keep talking about?

Sorry, you gotta go there to find out. You'll thank me for it later.

-Robert

[[email protected]]

On Apr 18, 9:50*am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:30*am, wrote:
>
> >http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> > Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...
>
> Interesting article by the BBP...http://www.bajabushpilots.com/pdf/Aircraft%20taken.pdf
> Its interesting to note that there were many more Americans assulted
> in Phoenix than in all of Mexico (I'm sure there are more Americans in
> Mexico than Pheonix). *In anycase, the military is commited to having
> a full time military base on the field as a result of this.
> If you got robbed in the park would the US military offer to build a
> base to protect the park?
>
> -Robert

Robert,

I see that you are trying to make up for the lack of quality in your
postings with quantity... nice try!

[Peter Dohm]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 17, 2:08 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "NW_Pilot" wrote>
>
> > Yea, I have only gotten the light twice.
>
> What is this light you keep talking about?

Sorry, you gotta go there to find out. You'll thank me for it later.

-Robert

But, but, but, ... I wanna know too...

Peter
(So, what in blazes is it, already?)

[Peter Dohm]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 16, 9:30 am, wrote:
> http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1608-mexico_plane...
>
> Flying to Mexico can't be worth the risk...

Interesting article by the BBP...
http://www.bajabushpilots.com/pdf/Aircraft%20taken.pdf
Its interesting to note that there were many more Americans assulted
in Phoenix than in all of Mexico (I'm sure there are more Americans in
Mexico than Pheonix). In anycase, the military is commited to having
a full time military base on the field as a result of this.
If you got robbed in the park would the US military offer to build a
base to protect the park?

-Robert

I am going to try very hard to forget that I just read that.

Peter

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "PD" == Peter Dohm > writes:
>> > Yea, I have only gotten the light twice.
>>
>> What is this light you keep talking about?

PD> Peter (So, what in blazes is it, already?)

I assume it's the red/green light used at Mexican customs. I airline
down to Mexico City all the time and they put it in use some years
ago. You push a button, by some supposedly random process either the
red or green light goes on; red means your bags get searched by an
indifferent 20-something girl, green means you're waved through.

It never occurred to me they would have this at GA type airports but
maybe so.
--
"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it."
-Groucho Marx

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Larry Dighera schrieb:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:31:01 -0700, C J Campbell
> > wrote in
> <2008041621310116807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

>> We don't get a lot of houses burgled around here. In fact, the most
>> exciting thing that has happened in months around here was a couple
>> days ago when someone got confused and drove their car through the wall
>> of the post office. Nearly caused the whole building to collapse.
(...)
> Incredible! Thanks for the giggle.

yeah, driving through a wall with a car.

#m