Spamming Aholes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gliderguynj]

I read these messages via the Google home page....What do you have to
do, or how can I mark them all read or deleted so I do not have to see
this crap? Luckily my piloting skills are better than my computer
skills.... They have bombed this group too much I say!!!!
Doug

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj > wrote in
>:

>I read these messages via the Google home page....What do you have to
>do, or how can I mark them all read or deleted so I do not have to see
>this crap? Luckily my piloting skills are better than my computer
>skills.... They have bombed this group too much I say!!!!

You may be able to get some relief (but not perfect) by using
a newsreader and a news service provider:

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:news_readers

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:news_providers

I was very happy with the spam filtering that Supernews used
to do. Now that Supernews has been sold to Giganews, it
**SEEMS** to me that I'm seeing more spam than I used to.

I'm not willing to testify to the change in court and I
have no hard data to back it up.

Policies vary from one news service to the next, I believe,
about how vigorously they filter spam before delivering
the news. There is a server-side filter called Cleanfeed:

http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/

The author used to work for Supernews. I believe he
is now on sabbatical after the sale of Supernews to
Giganews.

Marty
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[Steve Foley]

"gliderguynj" > wrote in message
...
>I read these messages via the Google home page

As it turns out, the majority of the spam is coming from google users.

google has never replied to any of my complaints, nor do the appear to be
doing anything to reduce this spam.

You should find another provider. I'm hoping my ISP will simply block all
google messages.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in
:

> "gliderguynj" > wrote in message
> .
> ..
>>I read these messages via the Google home page
>
> As it turns out, the majority of the spam is coming from google users.
>
> google has never replied to any of my complaints, nor do the appear to
> be doing anything to reduce this spam.
>
> You should find another provider. I'm hoping my ISP will simply block
> all google messages.


Huh? Why would you want that?


Bertie

[Darkwing]

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" > wrote in message
m...
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>I read these messages via the Google home page....What do you have to
>>do, or how can I mark them all read or deleted so I do not have to see
>>this crap? Luckily my piloting skills are better than my computer
>>skills.... They have bombed this group too much I say!!!!
>
> You may be able to get some relief (but not perfect) by using
> a newsreader and a news service provider:
>
> http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:news_readers
>
> http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:news_providers
>
> I was very happy with the spam filtering that Supernews used
> to do. Now that Supernews has been sold to Giganews, it
> **SEEMS** to me that I'm seeing more spam than I used to.
>
> I'm not willing to testify to the change in court and I
> have no hard data to back it up.
>
> Policies vary from one news service to the next, I believe,
> about how vigorously they filter spam before delivering
> the news. There is a server-side filter called Cleanfeed:
>
> http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/
>
> The author used to work for Supernews. I believe he
> is now on sabbatical after the sale of Supernews to
> Giganews.
>
> Marty

I use Giganews and I am seeing a ton of SPAM.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj
> wrote in
>:

>I read these messages via the Google home page....What do you have to
>do, or how can I mark them all read or deleted so I do not have to see
>this crap?


Send a complaint here: . Responsible netizen
that they are, Google will promptly enforce their Terms Of Use policy.
:-)


Perhaps the time to consider amending the newsgroup charter to
specifically exclude off-topic spam advertising.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>I read these messages via the Google home page....What do you have to
>>do, or how can I mark them all read or deleted so I do not have to see
>>this crap?
>
>
> Send a complaint here: . Responsible netizen
> that they are, Google will promptly enforce their Terms Of Use policy.
>:-)
>

Larry, the romantic netkkkop.


Bertie

[Travis Marlatte]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj
> > wrote in
> >:
>
> Send a complaint here: . Responsible netizen
> that they are, Google will promptly enforce their Terms Of Use policy.
> :-)
>
> Perhaps the time to consider amending the newsgroup charter to
> specifically exclude off-topic spam advertising.

How would that be enforced? If that works, could we also update the charter
to exclude any posts that I'm not interested in? That would make it much
easier for me.

-------------------------------
Travis
Bottom posting and trimming but not happy about it.
Lake N3094P
PWK

[Vaughn Simon]

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" > wrote in message
m...
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj >
> wrote in
> >:
>
>>I read these messages via the Google home page....

Right there is your problem! Google should be your last choice for reading
Usenet posts.

I am also no computer wizzzzard, but I simply use my ISP's news service
(Worldnet has a good news service) with the Outlook Express program that my
computer came equipped with, and write my own filters. Blocking individual
posters is trivial, but some spammers use a different address with each post, so
you simply look for terms that few (if any) legitimate posts will have in the
subject line, and tell Outlook Express to hide those posts.

It is a fun mental exercise to stay one step ahead of the dirtbags and it
takes me a mere 20 seconds to add a filter term. For example, one of my oldest
filter terms is "Viagra", another that I added just today is "paypal accept".

Vaughn

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:31:35 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> wrote in
>:

>> Perhaps the time to consider amending the newsgroup charter to
>> specifically exclude off-topic spam advertising.
>
>How would that be enforced?

The Acceptable Use Policy of some anonymous news providers (notably
Altopia alt.net include their intent to discipline the users who post
articles to newsgroups that are contrary to the newsgroup charter.

>If that works, could we also update the charter to exclude any
>posts that I'm not interested in? That would make it much
>easier for me.

To have the newsgroup charter amended to contain such language would
require a majority vote.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:35:16 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> wrote in
>:

>It is a fun mental exercise to stay one step ahead of the dirtbags and it
>takes me a mere 20 seconds to add a filter term. For example, one of my oldest
>filter terms is "Viagra", another that I added just today is "paypal accept".

You'll be forever playing catchup with that strategy.

You might consider a filter based on the first two or three fields of
the posters' IP addresses. That way the content can change, but you
still filter it.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:31:35 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>> Perhaps the time to consider amending the newsgroup charter to
>>> specifically exclude off-topic spam advertising.
>>
>>How would that be enforced?
>
> The Acceptable Use Policy of some anonymous news providers (notably
> Altopia alt.net include their intent to discipline the users who post
> articles to newsgroups that are contrary to the newsgroup charter.
>
>>If that works, could we also update the charter to exclude any
>>posts that I'm not interested in? That would make it much
>>easier for me.
>
> To have the newsgroup charter amended to contain such language would
> require a majority vote.
>
>

I vote Larry out.

Bertie

[gliderguynj]

Thanks everyone I'll start doing what was recommended.. For sport,
those of you that are filtered.....sign on through Google and you'll
see what started my mornings wrath.
Doug

[erBiet oth yipBun]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:35:16 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>It is a fun mental exercise to stay one step ahead of the dirtbags and
>>it takes me a mere 20 seconds to add a filter term. For example, one
>>of my oldest filter terms is "Viagra", another that I added just today
>>is "paypal accept".
>
> You'll be forever playing catchup with that strategy.
>
> You might consider a filter based on the first two or three fields of
> the posters' IP addresses. That way the content can change, but you
> still filter it.
>


How's that working for you Larry?


Bertie

[Travis Marlatte]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:31:35 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> > wrote in
> >:
>
> The Acceptable Use Policy of some anonymous news providers (notably
> Altopia alt.net include their intent to discipline the users who post
> articles to newsgroups that are contrary to the newsgroup charter.
>
> To have the newsgroup charter amended to contain such language would
> require a majority vote.
>

Thanks for a serious answer to both parts.

--
-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

gliderguynj > wrote in news:0e2f052d-48ee-4e47-b33e-
:

> Thanks everyone I'll start doing what was recommended.. For sport,
> those of you that are filtered.....sign on through Google and you'll
> see what started my mornings wrath.
> Doug
>

You might just as well get angry with the weather..

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

gregvk > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fud7dm$kp9$1
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:31:35 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
>>> > wrote in
>>> >:
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the time to consider amending the newsgroup charter to
>>>>> specifically exclude off-topic spam advertising.
>>>>
>>>>How would that be enforced?
>>>
>>> The Acceptable Use Policy of some anonymous news providers (notably
>>> Altopia alt.net include their intent to discipline the users who
>>> post articles to newsgroups that are contrary to the newsgroup
>>> charter.
>>>
>>>>If that works, could we also update the charter to exclude any
>>>>posts that I'm not interested in? That would make it much
>>>>easier for me.
>>>
>>> To have the newsgroup charter amended to contain such language would
>>> require a majority vote.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I vote Larry out.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Larry's post is off-topic, so I've asked his service provider to close
> his account. It should be done by COB Monday.
>

Excellent. Usenet will be safe once again.


Bertie

[Vaughn Simon]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
> You'll be forever playing catchup with that strategy.
>
> You might consider a filter based on the first two or three fields of
> the posters' IP addresses. That way the content can change, but you
> still filter it.

Like I say, I am no expert. How do you do that with OE?

Vaughn

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:42:20 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> wrote in
>:

>
>"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> You'll be forever playing catchup with that strategy.
>>
>> You might consider a filter based on the first two or three fields of
>> the posters' IP addresses. That way the content can change, but you
>> still filter it.
>
> Like I say, I am no expert. How do you do that with OE?
>

First, I'm not an MSOE user, so I'm not able to assist you with the
specifics of configuring that news reader. I use Fofte Agent:
http://forteinc.com

You'll find that GoogleGroups provides the IP address of the GG user
who posted the offending article(s) in the 'NNTP-Posting-Host:'
header. Here's an example:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.65.123.140

I would examine the message headers of the spam from China being
injected into Usenet from GoogleGroups, and base my filter on the IP
address portion of that header field: 218.65.123.140

Perhaps someone who uses MSOE can assist you with the specifics.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:42:20 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>
>>"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> You'll be forever playing catchup with that strategy.
>>>
>>> You might consider a filter based on the first two or three fields
of
>>> the posters' IP addresses. That way the content can change, but you
>>> still filter it.
>>
>> Like I say, I am no expert. How do you do that with OE?
>>
>
> First, I'm not an MSOE user, so I'm not able to assist you with the
> specifics of configuring that news reader. I use Fofte Agent:
> http://forteinc.com
>
> You'll find that GoogleGroups provides the IP address of the GG user
> who posted the offending article(s) in the 'NNTP-Posting-Host:'
> header. Here's an example:
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.65.123.140
>
> I would examine the message headers of the spam from China being
> injected into Usenet from GoogleGroups, and base my filter on the IP
> address portion of that header field: 218.65.123.140
>
> Perhaps someone who uses MSOE can assist you with the specifics.
>
>

Netkkkkop

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

gregvk > wrote in news:Xns9A858C74BF1FEE817AC3D8380227
@127.0.0.1:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fudeoi$95l$2
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> gregvk > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fud7dm$kp9$1
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:31:35 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
>>>>> > wrote in
>>>>> >:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps the time to consider amending the newsgroup charter to
>>>>>>> specifically exclude off-topic spam advertising.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How would that be enforced?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Acceptable Use Policy of some anonymous news providers
(notably
>>>>> Altopia alt.net include their intent to discipline the users who
>>>>> post articles to newsgroups that are contrary to the newsgroup
>>>>> charter.
>>>>>
>>>>>>If that works, could we also update the charter to exclude any
>>>>>>posts that I'm not interested in? That would make it much
>>>>>>easier for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> To have the newsgroup charter amended to contain such language
would
>>>>> require a majority vote.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I vote Larry out.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Larry's post is off-topic, so I've asked his service provider to
close
>>> his account. It should be done by COB Monday.
>>>
>>
>> Excellent. Usenet will be safe once again.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Is it just me or does it seem more peaceful, already?
>
> Seriously, the sun just came out and birds are chirping, for the first
> time today.

If he only knew what a blot upon the landscape he was...

Bertie

[AugerIn[_2_]]

gliderguynj wrote:
> I read these messages via the Google home page....What do you have to
> do, or how can I mark them all read or deleted so I do not have to see
> this crap? Luckily my piloting skills are better than my computer
> skills.... They have bombed this group too much I say!!!!
> Doug

see what crap?

[Jim Logajan]

gregvk > wrote:
> A boil on society's butt. A dead bird in a public swimming pool.
>
> A turd in a punch bowl.

Quite - apt decriptors for people who initiate cross-posts to a.u.k.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Jim Logajan > wrote in
:

> gregvk > wrote:
>> A boil on society's butt. A dead bird in a public swimming pool.
>>
>> A turd in a punch bowl.
>
> Quite - apt decriptors for people who initiate cross-posts to a.u.k.
>

Or those who perpetuate them.

Bertie

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-04-19 08:14:39 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> I read these messages via the Google home page....What do you have to
>> do, or how can I mark them all read or deleted so I do not have to see
>> this crap?
>
>
> Send a complaint here: . Responsible netizen
> that they are, Google will promptly enforce their Terms Of Use policy.
> :-)
>
>
> Perhaps the time to consider amending the newsgroup charter to
> specifically exclude off-topic spam advertising.

I suspect that Google is deliberately trying to kill Usenet.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:55:11 -0700, C J Campbell > wrote in
<2008041918551175249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

> ... I suspect that Google is deliberately trying to kill Usenet.

FWIW, I don't.

I'm a happy and satisfied user of many of Google's services.
I am not employed by them or remunerated by them in any
way (other than using a half-dozen or so of their free
services--gmail, Google, Picasa, a free web page, etc.).

We owe them a debt of gratitude for saving the Dejanews
archives and for maintaining them.

Usenet isn't a big part of their business any more.
There are tradeoffs involved in offering free services
to all and sundry. On balance, I think the good they
do far outweighs the bad.

Of course, YMMV.

Marty

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[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Martin X. Moleski, SJ schrieb:
> I'm a happy and satisfied user of many of Google's services.

if you don't care much about privacy ...

> We owe them a debt of gratitude for saving the Dejanews
> archives and for maintaining them.

they sure haven't done it because they love the community so much.
they've done it because they have seen some sort of business.

> Usenet isn't a big part of their business any more.
> There are tradeoffs involved in offering free services
> to all and sundry.

> On balance, I think the good they
> do far outweighs the bad.

IBTD.
I would suggest a (passive) UDP to bring them either off usenet or to a
better abuse desk.

> Of course, YMMV.

indeed.

> Marty

#m

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:37:44 +0200, Martin Hotze > wrote in >:

>Martin X. Moleski, SJ schrieb:

>> I'm a happy and satisfied user of many of Google's services.

>if you don't care much about privacy ...

Life is a series of tradeoffs.

This is one I'm willing to make for the
kinds of service I get in return.

>> We owe them a debt of gratitude for saving the Dejanews
>> archives and for maintaining them.

>they sure haven't done it because they love the community so much.
>they've done it because they have seen some sort of business.

That's how most corporations operate.

The few individuals who archived Usenet for the love of
it (and made their archives available to other folks)
have left the building.

>> Usenet isn't a big part of their business any more.
>> There are tradeoffs involved in offering free services
>> to all and sundry.

>> On balance, I think the good they
>> do far outweighs the bad.

>IBTD.

Permission granted. :o)

>I would suggest a (passive) UDP to bring them either off usenet or to a
>better abuse desk.

>> Of course, YMMV.

>indeed.

Different opinion noted.

Marty
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[Jim Logajan]

gregvk > wrote:
> Jim Logajan > wrote in
> :
>
>> gregvk > wrote:
>>> A boil on society's butt. A dead bird in a public swimming pool.
>>>
>>> A turd in a punch bowl.
>>
>> Quite - apt decriptors for people who initiate cross-posts to a.u.k.
>
> Supernews has been advised of your misconduct. HAND

Thanks - much appreciated. I've been unable to stop reading Usenet for
years although I've wished I could (poor self-discipline, I know - probably
some sort of addiction) and a little external push would provide the
psychological finality I possibly need.

[AugerIn[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> gregvk > wrote:
>> Jim Logajan > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> gregvk > wrote:
>>>> A boil on society's butt. A dead bird in a public swimming pool.
>>>>
>>>> A turd in a punch bowl.
>>> Quite - apt decriptors for people who initiate cross-posts to a.u.k.
>> Supernews has been advised of your misconduct. HAND
>
> Thanks - much appreciated. I've been unable to stop reading Usenet for
> years although I've wished I could (poor self-discipline, I know - probably
> some sort of addiction) and a little external push would provide the
> psychological finality I possibly need.

Usenet is where people of limited means can voice their
opinion and with innovative word placement techniques make
the first page of Goggle regarding their topic thus becoming
a large voice in a sea of digital ****

First page of Google means instant exposure WORLDWIDE

You can do that via Usenet using simple free word placement
techniques

Keep Usenet. **** Politically Correct Tyranny