More flaps?

[WingFlaps]

I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?

Cheers

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

WingFlaps > wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
:

> I watched the terrible carsh
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>
> I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
> committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
> flaps?
>

doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he
used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting
airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:sPtQj.82494$TT4.13435@attbi_s22:

> Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site:
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-8-12-Overloaded-
1
> 72.wmv
>
> This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of
> a Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a
> director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were
> transporting a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a
> hospital in Cali.
>
> The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the
> beginning of the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the
> seat, next to the pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the
> pedals for nothing.' We do not yet know the cause of the accident and
> probably will never know."
>
> The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the
> hospital. The burning building at the end is an empty school.


Pretty sick, using an accidnet to promote your fleapit hotel.



Bertie

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-8-12-Overloaded-172.wmv

This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of a
Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a
director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were transporting
a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a hospital in Cali.

The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the beginning of
the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the seat, next to the
pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the pedals for nothing.' We
do not yet know the cause of the accident and probably will never know."

The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the hospital.
The burning building at the end is an empty school.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[WingFlaps]

On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> WingFlaps > wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
> :
>
> > I watched the terrible carsh
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>
> > I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
> > committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
> > flaps?
>
> doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he
> used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting
> airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data.
>

My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go
up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he
might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether
this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would
this be a viable option or would it make everything worse?

Cheers

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

WingFlaps > wrote in
:

> On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> WingFlaps > wrote in
>> news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
>> :
>>
>> > I watched the terrible carsh
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>>
>> > I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve
>> > and committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out
>> > more flaps?
>>
>> doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it
>> if he used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after
>> getting airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance
>> without more data.
>
>>
>
> My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go
> up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he
> might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether
> this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would
> this be a viable option or would it make everything worse?

Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the
first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.

Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Apr 25, 5:16*pm, WingFlaps > wrote:
> I watched the terrible carshhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>
> I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
> committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
> flaps?
>
> Cheers

It is not like he didn't have alot of runway left to continue picking
up speed. He clearly yanked it in the air way before the plane was
ready to fly. This should be a required video for all student pilots
to watch to drive home the point of ground effects and the lack there
of. Morbid,?? maybe, but when most of us were kids we were shown films
in drivers ed that were very graphic, if I remember correctly
Mechanized Death, Signal 7, etc. Seems they were always filmed in
Ohio. I never wanted to drive there. :<((.

I am sure those gruesome images were imbedded in back of my mind and
kept me from doing something stupid in my early years of driving.
Nowadays kids are denied that concept because the shrinks are afraid
their brains would be damaged for life. Of course that doesn't stop
the kids from playing mortal combat and god only knows what other
bloody video game... Go figure !!!!

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

WingFlaps wrote:
> I watched the terrible carsh
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>
> I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
> committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
> flaps?
>
> Cheers

Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into the
back side. There is an area (as in slow flight) as you go into reverse
command where to maintain altitude on the back side you need to apply
power. You can do this until you max the available power. At that point
available power gives way to developing sink rate. Go past that point
and into a sink rate and the only way out is to reduce angle of attack.
This is what many in the flight test community refer to as a "coffin
corner", not of course to be confused with the classic aerodynamic
coffin corner experienced at altitude associated with mach crit vs stall
speed.

--
Dudley Henriques

[clint]

Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into the back
> side.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

clint wrote:
> Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
> Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
>> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into
>> the back side.
>
>
They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
rolling out of bed at night.

--
Dudley Henriques

[george]

On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
> things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the
> first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.
>
Yup
Flap was the least of his worries.
You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed.
A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going
by so close..

[george]

On Apr 26, 3:38 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> clint wrote:
> > Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
> > Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
> >> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into
> >> the back side.
>
> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
> rolling out of bed at night.
>
and stiffens their resolve

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

george wrote:
> On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
>> things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the
>> first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.
>>
> Yup
> Flap was the least of his worries.
> You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed.
> A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going
> by so close..

I could be wrong as I haven't really studied the tape although I have
seen it several times, but it might very well be that he actually
rotated and sustained deep behind the curve. Lord only knows where his
aft cg was with it packed like it was.
If this was the case, he could very well have been doomed from rotation
if he was so deep that all available power was being used. If he tried
to raise the nose to gain even a foot more of altitude, this would start
a sink rate that only lowering the nose and reducing the AOA would fix.
No altitude to do that and the only outcome would have been the crash.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

george wrote:
> On Apr 26, 3:38 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> clint wrote:
>>> Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
>>> Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
>>>> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into
>>>> the back side.
>> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
>> rolling out of bed at night.
>>
> and stiffens their resolve
>

Don't forget that 4 hour erection limit!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

george > wrote in news:7f70e262-6325-4261-b69b-
:

> On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
>> things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added
the
>> first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.
>>
> Yup
> Flap was the least of his worries.
> You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed.
> A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going
> by so close..
>

Yess, I agree, though you'd think that someone doing that sort of flying
would be fairly good at things like that.. THe strip certainly looks
ling enough, but I have no idea how high up they are either. That looks
like a 182 to me, BTW.


Bertie

[george]

On Apr 26, 11:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:


> Yess, I agree, though you'd think that someone doing that sort of flying
> would be fairly good at things like that.. THe strip certainly looks
> ling enough, but I have no idea how high up they are either. That looks
> like a 182 to me, BTW.
>

Like all flying you only have to get it wrong once.
As a friend said of a rather bold pilot

Henry three gravity nil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

george > wrote in news:6ba8677f-ac4f-42e8-90ae-3ad79b04d721
@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 26, 11:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>
>> Yess, I agree, though you'd think that someone doing that sort of flying
>> would be fairly good at things like that.. THe strip certainly looks
>> ling enough, but I have no idea how high up they are either. That looks
>> like a 182 to me, BTW.
>>
>
> Like all flying you only have to get it wrong once.


True enough.

> As a friend said of a rather bold pilot
>
> Henry three gravity nil
>

He he.

Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Buttman > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> That looks
>> like a 182 to me, BTW.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> It is, you can tell by the air inlet being right below the prop. On
> the 172 its lower down on the cowling.
>

Owww! And you're a planespotter!

Bertie

[george]

On Apr 27, 10:20 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Buttman > wrote :
>

>
> > It is, you can tell by the air inlet being right below the prop. On
> > the 172 its lower down on the cowling.
>
> Owww! And you're a planespotter!
>
That's the video that our fearless MFS aviator made the claim of the
'C172' (which it aint) was overloaded...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

george > wrote in
:

> On Apr 27, 10:20 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Buttman > wrote
>> :
>>
>
>>
>> > It is, you can tell by the air inlet being right below the prop. On
>> > the 172 its lower down on the cowling.
>>
>> Owww! And you're a planespotter!
>>
> That's the video that our fearless MFS aviator made the claim of the
> 'C172' (which it aint) was overloaded...
>
>


Yep...

Bertie

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
> news:sPtQj.82494$TT4.13435@attbi_s22:
>
>> Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site:
>>
>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-8-12-Overloaded-
> 1
>> 72.wmv
>>
>> This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of
>> a Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a
>> director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were
>> transporting a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a
>> hospital in Cali.
>>
>> The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the
>> beginning of the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the
>> seat, next to the pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the
>> pedals for nothing.' We do not yet know the cause of the accident and
>> probably will never know."
>>
>> The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the
>> hospital. The burning building at the end is an empty school.
>
>
> Pretty sick, using an accidnet to promote your fleapit hotel.
>
>
>
> Bertie
>

God, you're so jealous of his aviation related business.

Maybe you could wash planes or something, hell anything to get in to
aviation.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> WingFlaps wrote:
>> I watched the terrible carsh
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>>
>> I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
>> committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
>> flaps?
>>
>> Cheers
>
> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into the
> back side. There is an area (as in slow flight) as you go into reverse
> command where to maintain altitude on the back side you need to apply
> power. You can do this until you max the available power. At that point
> available power gives way to developing sink rate. Go past that point and
> into a sink rate and the only way out is to reduce angle of attack. This
> is what many in the flight test community refer to as a "coffin corner",
> not of course to be confused with the classic aerodynamic coffin corner
> experienced at altitude associated with mach crit vs stall speed.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Wow, and I bet they all called you the Undertaker, uh.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> clint wrote:
>> Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
>> Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
>>> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into the
>>> back side.
>>
>>
> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from rolling
> out of bed at night.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

We assume you use the nasal spray.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> george wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 3:38 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>> clint wrote:
>>>> Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
>>>> Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
>>>>> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into
>>>>> the back side.
>>> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
>>> rolling out of bed at night.
>>>
>> and stiffens their resolve
>>
>
> Don't forget that 4 hour erection limit!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Yeah, hell yeah. that's all about piloting for sure.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:o%bRj.58548$QC.58153
@newsfe20.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>> news:sPtQj.82494$TT4.13435@attbi_s22:
>>
>>> Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site:
>>>
>>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-8-12-
Overloaded-
>> 1
>>> 72.wmv
>>>
>>> This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash
of
>>> a Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a
>>> director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were
>>> transporting a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a
>>> hospital in Cali.
>>>
>>> The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the
>>> beginning of the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the
>>> seat, next to the pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the
>>> pedals for nothing.' We do not yet know the cause of the accident
and
>>> probably will never know."
>>>
>>> The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the
>>> hospital. The burning building at the end is an empty school.
>>
>>
>> Pretty sick, using an accidnet to promote your fleapit hotel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> God, you're so jealous of his aviation related business.#



Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahw!

>
> Maybe you could wash planes or something, hell anything to get in to
> aviation.


There are some basic rules for insulting people, fjukkwit.

One, the insultee has to give a flying **** what the insultor thinks.
Two, they have to have some basis in reality, ...



Bertie>

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
> There are some basic rules for insulting people, fjukkwit.
>
> One, the insultee has to give a flying **** what the insultor thinks.
> Two, they have to have some basis in reality, ...
>
>
>
> Bertie>
>

You're bound to care or you wouldn't be answering, wannabe! That's but
beauty of it, you can't possibly stop. I know it, you know it, and so does
EVERYONE else.

Squirt, squirt.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> There are some basic rules for insulting people, fjukkwit.
>>
>> One, the insultee has to give a flying **** what the insultor thinks.
>> Two, they have to have some basis in reality, ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie>
>>
>
> You're bound to care or you wouldn't be answering, wannabe! That's but
> beauty of it, you can't possibly stop. I know it, you know it, and so
> does EVERYONE else.

Aww, getting upset now wannabe boi?

>
> Squirt, squirt.


Since you insist..


Bertie
>
>
>
>

[gatt[_3_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> george wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 3:38 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:

>>> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
>>> rolling out of bed at night.
>>>
>> and stiffens their resolve
>>
>
> Don't forget that 4 hour erection limit!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))

That's an awful long time to hold in position.

-c

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

gatt wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> george wrote:
>>> On Apr 26, 3:38 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>>>> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
>>>> rolling out of bed at night.
>>>>
>>> and stiffens their resolve
>>>
>>
>> Don't forget that 4 hour erection limit!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))
>
> That's an awful long time to hold in position.
>
> -c
Could be the other way around :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[TheSmokingGnu]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> gatt wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>> george wrote:
>>>> On Apr 26, 3:38 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>>>>> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
>>>>> rolling out of bed at night.
>>>>>
>>>> and stiffens their resolve
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget that 4 hour erection limit!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))
>>
>> That's an awful long time to hold in position.
>>
>> -c
> Could be the other way around :-)
>

C'mon, stop dicking around. :D

TheSmokingGnu

[JB]

On Apr 25, 7:16*pm, WingFlaps > wrote:
> I watched the terrible carshhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>
> I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
> committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
> flaps?
>
> Cheers

It looks like he failed to remember what we were all taught during our
training for soft field TOs. Wheels just off the ground, then lower
the nose to get the WIG effect, build up airspeed, then climb. As
folks have already noted...a) he had plenty of field to work with and
b) it looks like he pitched up pretty quick and c) who knows what his
CG was...it could have been well aft of the box. I can't imagine how
another notch would have done anything but increase his drag further
and lower his airspeed.

Just my 2c.

--Jeff

[[email protected]]

On Apr 29, 7:15*am, JB > wrote:
> On Apr 25, 7:16*pm, WingFlaps > wrote:
>
> > I watched the terrible carshhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>
> > I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
> > committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
> > flaps?
>
> > Cheers
>
> It looks like he failed to remember what we were all taught during our
> training for soft field TOs. *Wheels just off the ground, then lower
> the nose to get the WIG effect, build up airspeed, then climb. *As
> folks have already noted...a) he had plenty of field to work with and
> b) it looks like he pitched up pretty quick and c) who knows what his
> CG was...it could have been well aft of the box. *I can't imagine how
> another notch would have done anything but increase his drag further
> and lower his airspeed.
>
> Just my 2c.
>
> --Jeff

I agree, last thing he needed was more drag.....

[WingFlaps]

On Apr 30, 1:15*am, JB > wrote:
> On Apr 25, 7:16*pm, WingFlaps > wrote:
>
> > I watched the terrible carshhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c
>
> > I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
> > committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
> > flaps?
>
> > Cheers
>
> It looks like he failed to remember what we were all taught during our
> training for soft field TOs. *Wheels just off the ground, then lower
> the nose to get the WIG effect, build up airspeed, then climb. *As
> folks have already noted...a) he had plenty of field to work with and
> b) it looks like he pitched up pretty quick and c) who knows what his
> CG was...it could have been well aft of the box. *I can't imagine how
> another notch would have done anything but increase his drag further
> and lower his airspeed.
>

I was thinking that while in ground effect the flaps could in crease
lift disproportionaly to drag so that he could lower the nose without
sinking too far. Having flown a heavy 172 with aft CG, I noted that
one has to really have to push forward to hard keep the nosewheel on
the ground -it feels like she is ready to lift off long befor that's
the case.

Cheers

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> There are some basic rules for insulting people, fjukkwit.
>>>
>>> One, the insultee has to give a flying **** what the insultor thinks.
>>> Two, they have to have some basis in reality, ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie>
>>>
>>
>> You're bound to care or you wouldn't be answering, wannabe! That's but
>> beauty of it, you can't possibly stop. I know it, you know it, and so
>> does EVERYONE else.
>
> Aww, getting upset now wannabe boi?
>
>>
>> Squirt, squirt.
>
>
> Since you insist..
>
>
> Bertie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Squirt, squirt.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:SG8Sj.111614$Ft5.8795
> @newsfe15.lga:
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some basic rules for insulting people, fjukkwit.
>>>>>
>>>>> One, the insultee has to give a flying **** what the insultor
> thinks.
>>>>> Two, they have to have some basis in reality, ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're bound to care or you wouldn't be answering, wannabe! That's
> but
>>>> beauty of it, you can't possibly stop. I know it, you know it, and
> so
>>>> does EVERYONE else.
>>>
>>> Aww, getting upset now wannabe boi?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Squirt, squirt.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you insist..
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Squirt, squirt.
>>
>>
>>
>
> OK]
>
>
> Bertie

Squirt, squirt.
Still can't quit, pup?

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:vd9Sj.111633$Ft5.89014
> @newsfe15.lga:
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>
> I don;'t want to quit. I never will. I will always, always be here for
> you.
>
> Promise!
>
> Bertie

Gee, I think we already knew that, retard.

[clint]

Seniors don't think thta's funny Dudley DooWrong! :-? 8-o :o)
Henriques explained :
> clint wrote:
>> Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
>> Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
>>> Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into the
>>> back side.
>>
>>
> They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from rolling
> out of bed at night.