Cindy McCain Pilot?

[Larry Dighera]

Last night on The Tonight Show, Cindy McCain mentioned that she would
be doing a lot of flying as part of husband John McCain's 1982
Congressional campaign, so she attended flight ground school in an
attempt to overcome her fear of flying. She said she then received
flight training, and earned her private certificate. However, a
search of the FAA's airmans database does not find her among the
airmen listed there.

The only information I was able to find about Mrs. McCain's piloting
via Google was this cite:


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-14-cindy-mccain_N.htm
An adventurous one, as well. Cindy McCain used to be a pilot,
loves to drive race cars (her company distributes Budweiser,
NASCAR's official beer until this year) and took a weekend trip to
....

Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?

[Frank Stutzman[_2_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote:

> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?

A fellow on the Bonanza list flys out of Sedona. According to him,
Cindy is indeed a pilot. She owns some sort of a business jet, but
I'm unsure if she flys it. From your post it sounds like she does.

Certainly seems at odds with John's stance on general aviation, no?


--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Boise, ID

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 1 May 2008 14:51:28 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman
> wrote in
>:

>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?
>
>A fellow on the Bonanza list flys out of Sedona. According to him,
>Cindy is indeed a pilot.

Thanks.

>She owns some sort of a business jet,

From the news reports I read, the jet is operated by her late father's
corporation.

>but I'm unsure if she flys it.

If I recall correctly, on Leno's program she indicated that she was
piloting small aircraft. I took that to mean four to six seat
singles.

>From your post it sounds like she does.

I doubt the took the time to master operating a biz-jet yet alone find
the time to remain current and attend recurrent training, but you
never know.

>Certainly seems at odds with John's stance on general aviation, no?

I'm not aware of candidate's stance. I suppose, if one considers that
he refused AOPA president Phil Boyer's appoint to the federal
Management Advisory Committee that he heads, it's not to difficult to
see he's not a GA advocate.

His attitude is apparent in this hearing transcript:
http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/106s/80849.pdf

[T. \Tim\ Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56]

On Thu, 01 May 2008 15:10:51 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

> On Thu, 1 May 2008 14:51:28 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?
>>
>>A fellow on the Bonanza list flys out of Sedona. According to him,
>>Cindy is indeed a pilot.
>
> Thanks.
>
>>She owns some sort of a business jet,
>
> From the news reports I read, the jet is operated by her late father's
> corporation.
>
>>but I'm unsure if she flys it.
>
> If I recall correctly, on Leno's program she indicated that she was
> piloting small aircraft. I took that to mean four to six seat
> singles.
>
>>From your post it sounds like she does.
>
> I doubt the took the time to master operating a biz-jet yet alone find
> the time to remain current and attend recurrent training, but you
> never know.
>
>>Certainly seems at odds with John's stance on general aviation, no?
>
> I'm not aware of candidate's stance. I suppose, if one considers that
> he refused AOPA president Phil Boyer's appoint to the federal
> Management Advisory Committee that he heads, it's not to difficult to
> see he's not a GA advocate.
>
> His attitude is apparent in this hearing transcript:
> http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/106s/80849.pdf

HE'S A COCKSUCKER

[Skylune]

On May 1, 11:10*am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 14:51:28 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman
> > wrote in
> >:
>
> >Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
> >> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?
>
> >A fellow on the Bonanza list flys out of Sedona. *According to him,
> >Cindy is indeed a pilot. *
>
> Thanks.
>
> >She owns some sort of a business jet,
>
> From the news reports I read, the jet is operated by her late father's
> corporation.
>
> >but I'm unsure if she flys it. *
>
> If I recall correctly, on Leno's program she indicated that she was
> piloting small aircraft. *I took that to mean four to six seat
> singles.
>
> >From your post it sounds like she does.
>
> I doubt the took the time to master operating a biz-jet yet alone find
> the time to remain current and attend recurrent training, but you
> never know.
>
> >Certainly seems at odds with John's stance on general aviation, no?
>
> I'm not aware of candidate's stance. *I suppose, if one considers that
> he refused AOPA president Phil Boyer's appoint to the federal
> Management Advisory Committee that he heads, it's not to difficult to
> see he's not a GA advocate.
>
> His attitude is apparent in this hearing transcript:http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/106s/80849.pdf

McCain has Boyer pegged for the liar that he is. Give him hell,
McCain!!

[[email protected]]

On May 1, 1:22 pm, Skylune > wrote:
> On May 1, 11:10 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 1 May 2008 14:51:28 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman
> > > wrote in
> > >:
>
> > >Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
> > >> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?
>
> > >A fellow on the Bonanza list flys out of Sedona. According to him,
> > >Cindy is indeed a pilot.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > >She owns some sort of a business jet,
>
> > From the news reports I read, the jet is operated by her late father's
> > corporation.
>
> > >but I'm unsure if she flys it.
>
> > If I recall correctly, on Leno's program she indicated that she was
> > piloting small aircraft. I took that to mean four to six seat
> > singles.
>
> > >From your post it sounds like she does.
>
> > I doubt the took the time to master operating a biz-jet yet alone find
> > the time to remain current and attend recurrent training, but you
> > never know.
>
> > >Certainly seems at odds with John's stance on general aviation, no?
>
> > I'm not aware of candidate's stance. I suppose, if one considers that
> > he refused AOPA president Phil Boyer's appoint to the federal
> > Management Advisory Committee that he heads, it's not to difficult to
> > see he's not a GA advocate.
>
> > His attitude is apparent in this hearing transcript:http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/106s/80849.pdf
>
> McCain has Boyer pegged for the liar that he is. Give him hell,
> McCain!!

I don't know who's pegging who.

But I do know something about creeping fees.
Remember that Alternative Minimum Tax, that was only for the rich? I
nearly got hit by that, and by no means am I rich! (Or I'd have the
little airplane!) the AMT nearly bit me because I was putting so much
in 401k and Roth accounts, which I have to do since I have no other
retirement sources.

I have no doubt at all that what might be just for "corporate fat
cats" would soon include fat cat owners of C152s. All airplane owners
are rich, remember?

To me, the fuel tax is a very workable answer. You can charge it to
the little Cessnas and the big jets as well. It doesn't require any
additional overhead for accounting. The only issue there would be
those who are using autogas. But hey, nothing's perfect.

[[email protected]]

On May 1, 5:10*am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Last night on The Tonight Show, Cindy McCain mentioned that she would
> be doing a lot of flying as part of husband John McCain's 1982
> Congressional campaign, so she attended flight ground school in an
> attempt to overcome her fear of flying. *She said she then received
> flight training, and earned her private certificate. *However, a
> search of the FAA's airmans database does not find her among the
> airmen listed there.
>
> The only information I was able to find about Mrs. McCain's piloting
> via Google was this cite:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-14-cindy-m...
> * * An adventurous one, as well. Cindy McCain used to be a pilot, *
> * * loves to drive race cars (her company distributes Budweiser,
> * * NASCAR's official beer until this year) and took a weekend trip to
> ...
>
> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?

I won't vote for McCain simply because he has that b!tch Carly "no
American has a right to a job" Fiorini stumping for him. She gutted
HP and sent 1000's of engineering jobs to Asia while laying off the
very people who had helped build up HP so that it could even become a
"Multinational" company. I also don't like McCain's style or his
stance on a number of issues.

Can't say I'll vote Democrat either. They also suck the big one.
Look how bad our Democrat dominated Congress has been lately. Hey,
Rome is burning, but we can't have baseball players using steroids, so
lets make that our priority!

I think I may have to vote Libertarian or maybe Communist this year as
a "none of the above" vote...

Dean

[gatt[_3_]]

wrote:

>> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?
>
> I won't vote for McCain simply because he has that b!tch Carly "no
> American has a right to a job" Fiorini stumping for him. She gutted
> HP and sent 1000's of engineering jobs to Asia

Oh, hell! Not Carly the Destroyer! She'll poison his freakin'
campaign. Gave a commencement address at Oregon State University and
said she had something in common with the graduates, which was that she
was looking for a job.

She of course didn't mention that she practically destroyed HP (I was a
contractor there) and its business reputation in the process. But,
hell, they paid her to do it I guess. Hopefully McCain's not paying her
to destroy his campaign.

-c

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

> wrote in message
...
<...>
> I think I may have to vote Libertarian or maybe Communist this year as
> a "none of the above" vote...

Gus Hall is dead.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:

> On May 1, 5:10*am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> Last night on The Tonight Show, Cindy McCain mentioned that she would
>> be doing a lot of flying as part of husband John McCain's 1982
>> Congressional campaign, so she attended flight ground school in an
>> attempt to overcome her fear of flying. *She said she then received
>> flight training, and earned her private certificate. *However, a
>> search of the FAA's airmans database does not find her among the
>> airmen listed there.
>>
>> The only information I was able to find about Mrs. McCain's piloting
>> via Google was this cite:
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-14-cindy-m...
>> * * An adventurous one, as well. Cindy McCain used to be a pilot, *
>> * * loves to drive race cars (her company distributes Budweiser,
>> * * NASCAR's official beer until this year) and took a weekend trip to
>
>> ...
>>
>> Does anyone have any additional information about here piloting?
>
> I won't vote for McCain simply because he has that b!tch Carly "no
> American has a right to a job" Fiorini stumping for him. She gutted
> HP and sent 1000's of engineering jobs to Asia while laying off the
> very people who had helped build up HP so that it could even become a
> "Multinational" company. I also don't like McCain's style or his
> stance on a number of issues.
>
> Can't say I'll vote Democrat either. They also suck the big one.
> Look how bad our Democrat dominated Congress has been lately. Hey,
> Rome is burning, but we can't have baseball players using steroids, so
> lets make that our priority!
>
> I think I may have to vote Libertarian or maybe Communist this year as
> a "none of the above" vote...
>
> Dean

Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is a
lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married to a
witch who is also a lawyer.

On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married to a
woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives race
cars and flies airplanes.

Is there really any contest here? :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Jim Logajan]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk At Wow Way D0t C0m> wrote:
> wrote in message
...
> <...>
>> I think I may have to vote Libertarian or maybe Communist this year as
>> a "none of the above" vote...
>
> Gus Hall is dead.

That would make another communist plot.




;-)

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
> wrote in
<2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

>Is there really any contest here?

Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
executives and Christian crusaders. :-(

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>
>
> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is a
> lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married to a
> witch who is also a lawyer.
>
> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married to a
> woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives race cars
> and flies airplanes.
>
> Is there really any contest here? :-)
> --


I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk At Wow Way D0t C0m> wrote in message
.. .
> > wrote in message
> ...
> <...>
>> I think I may have to vote Libertarian or maybe Communist this year as
>> a "none of the above" vote...
>
> Gus Hall is dead.
>
And there's not a lot of difference between Obama and Lincoln Steffens.

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk At Wow Way D0t C0m> wrote:
> wrote in message
...
>> <...>
>>> I think I may have to vote Libertarian or maybe Communist this year as
>>> a "none of the above" vote...
>>
>> Gus Hall is dead.
>
> That would make another communist plot.
>
> ;-)

Making that association would be a grave mistake. ;~o

[Jennifer Allen]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
> > wrote in
> <2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>
> >Is there really any contest here?
>
> Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
> executives and Christian crusaders. :-(

Well my needs include putting the emergency brakes on outrageous pork
spending and having fewer lawyers control the government of the people.

I have not found McCain to be a "Christian crusader," in the least, but
I would consider him a war hero who has spent his life serving his
country in many ways.

If you are anti-Christian or have religious tolerance issues to satisfy,
who do you vote for?

[M[_1_]]

On May 1, 8:25 pm, wrote:

>
> To me, the fuel tax is a very workable answer. You can charge it to
> the little Cessnas and the big jets as well. It doesn't require any
> additional overhead for accounting. The only issue there would be
> those who are using autogas. But hey, nothing's perfect.

Autofuel includes 18.4c federal tax for the highway fund. Considering
FAA funding is partially coming from the general fund, I would say
autofuel pilots are paying their fare share of fuel tax.

[Mxsmanic]

gatt writes:

> Oh, hell! Not Carly the Destroyer! She'll poison his freakin'
> campaign. Gave a commencement address at Oregon State University and
> said she had something in common with the graduates, which was that she
> was looking for a job.

Did she go through her $45 million golden parachute income that quickly?

> She of course didn't mention that she practically destroyed HP (I was a
> contractor there) and its business reputation in the process. But,
> hell, they paid her to do it I guess.

"Practically"? She did indeed destroy it.

[Mxsmanic]

C J Campbell writes:

> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married to a
> woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives race
> cars and flies airplanes.

If you mean Cindy McCain, I don't see any sign of a large chest.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 03 May 2008 15:41:25 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> wrote in >:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
>> > wrote in
>> <2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>>
>> >Is there really any contest here?
>>
>> Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
>> executives and Christian crusaders. :-(
>
>Well my needs include putting the emergency brakes on outrageous pork
>spending

So you have no qualms about the three trillion dollar cost of the Iraq
fiasco or the current outrageous price of gasoline? It's only the
pork-barrel spending that offends you? Interesting priorities.
Perhaps it's time for you to enlighten yourself a little. :-)

>and having fewer lawyers control the government of the people.

Right. Let's have more deceitful traitorous marketeers like Karl
Rove, and duplicitous incompetents like Gonzales. :-(

>
>I have not found McCain to be a "Christian crusader,"

Doesn't McCain support continuing the current Christian crusade in
Iraq? Are you aware of non-competitive bidder Blackwater's Eric
Prince's affiliation with the crusaders? Bush implied that he
consulted his God when deciding to take our nation to war with Iraq.

>in the least, but I would consider him a war hero who has spent his
>life serving his country in many ways.

And that makes McCain qualified to lead our nation how? He doesn't
even realize that Al Qaeda are not Sunni backed. How do you feel
about McCain's position on General Aviation?

>
>If you are anti-Christian or have religious tolerance issues to satisfy,

I find the Catholic Church' shielding pedophile priests from
prosecution not only felonious, but a betrayal of parishioner trust of
a magnitude that staggers the imagination. How any thinking
individual in the 21st century can possibly ascribe to such hypocrisy,
magical-thinking, and disenfranchising inculcation is beyond me. Isn't
it time we evolved beyond such superstition and blind allegiance, and
each of us take responsibility for our destiny?

>who do you vote for?
>

I am not represented among the current crop of candidates, but I
adamantly oppose the Republican National Committee; you do recall that
their members went to jail for burglarizing the opposing party's
campaign headquarters under the woefully corrupt Nixon administration
don't you? And they scandalously pardoned Nixon of crimes for which
he hadn't even been charged. And under Bush, Libby was sacrificed to
shield Rove's treasonous disclosure of a CIA operative. This is the
sort of leadership you can expect from the RNC: treasonous dirty
tricks, audacious hubris, blind arrogance and outright dishonesty.

Will you be voting for McCain?

But, what I'd really like to know is if there is one scrap of
objective evidence that supports Cindy McCain's assertion that she is
a pilot. I didn't find her in the FAA airmans database.

[Jennifer Allen]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> On Sat, 03 May 2008 15:41:25 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> > wrote in >:
>
> >Larry Dighera wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
> >> > wrote in
> >> <2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
> >>
> >> >Is there really any contest here?
> >>
> >> Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
> >> executives and Christian crusaders. :-(
> >
> >Well my needs include putting the emergency brakes on outrageous pork
> >spending
>
> So you have no qualms about the three trillion dollar cost of the Iraq
> fiasco or the current outrageous price of gasoline? It's only the
> pork-barrel spending that offends you? Interesting priorities.
> Perhaps it's time for you to enlighten yourself a little. :-)

I didn't provide anything that indicated "no qualms" about the price of
anything. Outrageous gas pricces? Try living in many other places in the
world. I have. There are a lot of politicians in the USA who feel that we
should have higher taxes on fuel and make it more expensive. I don't feel
that this is the proper venue to discuss Iraq in detail, however I note that
McCain's vote to authorize the Iraq war are identical to Clinton. The other
candidate was not a federal politician at the time, however he is the only
major candidate to not want lower fuel taxes, if that's what interests you.

By the way you somehow linked high gas prices to McCain, as opposed to anyone
else, but of course you couldn't provide anything to support this assertion.


>
>
> >and having fewer lawyers control the government of the people.
>
> Right. Let's have more deceitful traitorous marketeers like Karl
> Rove, and duplicitous incompetents like Gonzales. :-(

Karl Rove is a traitor? Cite? Can you show the criminal activity charges or
are you just postulating? Relevance to discussion?
How about Obama's "God Damn America" pastor who provided his guidance? Are
you going to cherry pick certain people that you don't like, or will you
cover true traitors, such as Mark Rich, who was actually convicted of massive
tax fraud, the largest tax cheat in America's history. He was pardoned by
his friend Clinton.

>
> >I have not found McCain to be a "Christian crusader,"
>
> Doesn't McCain support continuing the current Christian crusade in
> Iraq?

Please study history and learn what a "crusade" is. Overthrowing dictators
who use rape rooms for political power, lob ears off their citizens, and
build ornate palaces while their citizens live in fear is not a "crusade."

> Are you aware of non-competitive bidder Blackwater's Eric
> Prince's affiliation with the crusaders? Bush implied that he
> consulted his God when deciding to take our nation to war with Iraq.

So what? Bill Clinton implied that he consulted his God/religious leaders as
well. He even sought the council of "Reverend Jesse Jackson" for being
caught cheating on his wife. (Ironically, around the same time Mr. Jackson
was fathering an illegimate child and using a tax exempt organization's funds
to pay off the mother). Do you want to discuss Obama's religious views and
his pastor?

> >in the least, but I would consider him a war hero who has spent his
> >life serving his country in many ways.
>
> And that makes McCain qualified to lead our nation how?

It certainly provides qualifications that his competitors do not have.

> He doesn't
> even realize that Al Qaeda are not Sunni backed.

Cite?

> How do you feel
> about McCain's position on General Aviation?

Cite of total balanced position?


>
>
> >
> >If you are anti-Christian or have religious tolerance issues to satisfy,
>
> I find the Catholic Church' shielding pedophile priests from
> prosecution not only felonious, but a betrayal of parishioner trust of
> a magnitude that staggers the imagination. How any thinking
> individual in the 21st century can possibly ascribe to such hypocrisy,
> magical-thinking, and disenfranchising inculcation is beyond me. Isn't
> it time we evolved beyond such superstition and blind allegiance, and
> each of us take responsibility for our destiny?

How did you get to the Catholic Church? Which Presidential Candidate is
Catholic?

>
>
> >who do you vote for?
> >
>
> I am not represented among the current crop of candidates, but I
> adamantly oppose the Republican National Committee; you do recall that
> their members went to jail for burglarizing the opposing party's
> campaign headquarters under the woefully corrupt Nixon administration
> don't you? And they scandalously pardoned Nixon of crimes for which
> he hadn't even been charged. And under Bush, Libby was sacrificed to
> shield Rove's treasonous disclosure of a CIA operative. This is the
> sort of leadership you can expect from the RNC: treasonous dirty
> tricks, audacious hubris, blind arrogance and outright dishonesty.

Interesting concept. Well, by your reasoning American's went to jail for
burglarizing headquarters too. Does that mean that you adamantly oppose
Americans? People of various political parties have violated laws throughout
the nation's history, does that mean that you are opposed to all parties, or
is your memory and history selective to your prejudices?

> Will you be voting for McCain?

Who I may vote for is a private matter between me and the ballot box. If you
want to explain who you are voting for, feel free. It doesn't really matter
to me, but I notice that your arguments, supplanted by random irrelevant
anecdotes, are extremely superficial.

>
>
> But, what I'd really like to know is if there is one scrap of
> objective evidence that supports Cindy McCain's assertion that she is
> a pilot. I didn't find her in the FAA airmans database.

You won't find me either. I opted out years ago. So what?

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> wrote in >:

>> But, what I'd really like to know is if there is one scrap of
>> objective evidence that supports Cindy McCain's assertion that she is
>> a pilot. I didn't find her in the FAA airmans database.
>
>You won't find me either. I opted out years ago. So what?
>

So you are unaware that when you opt-out there is still a record in
the airmans database?

Are you among these?

Total Names found for JENNIFER ALLEN is 6.

JENNIFER ALLEN JENNIFER ALLEN
JENNIFER GAIL ALLEN JENNIFER CHRISTINE ALLEN
JENNIFER COURTNEY ALLEN JENNIFER MARIE ALLEN

[Jennifer Allen[_2_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> > wrote in >:
>
> >> But, what I'd really like to know is if there is one scrap of
> >> objective evidence that supports Cindy McCain's assertion that she is
> >> a pilot. I didn't find her in the FAA airmans database.
> >
> >You won't find me either. I opted out years ago. So what?
> >
>
> So you are unaware that when you opt-out there is still a record in
> the airmans database?
>
> Are you among these?
>
> Total Names found for JENNIFER ALLEN is 6.
>
> JENNIFER ALLEN JENNIFER ALLEN
> JENNIFER GAIL ALLEN JENNIFER CHRISTINE ALLEN
> JENNIFER COURTNEY ALLEN JENNIFER MARIE ALLEN

So if I haven't renewed my medical in 4 years, which one is me?

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:27:03 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> wrote in >:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
>> > wrote in >:
>>
>> >> But, what I'd really like to know is if there is one scrap of
>> >> objective evidence that supports Cindy McCain's assertion that she is
>> >> a pilot. I didn't find her in the FAA airmans database.
>> >
>> >You won't find me either. I opted out years ago. So what?
>> >
>>
>> So you are unaware that when you opt-out there is still a record in
>> the airmans database?
>>
>> Are you among these?
>>
>> Total Names found for JENNIFER ALLEN is 6.
>>
>> JENNIFER ALLEN JENNIFER ALLEN
>> JENNIFER GAIL ALLEN JENNIFER CHRISTINE ALLEN
>> JENNIFER COURTNEY ALLEN JENNIFER MARIE ALLEN
>
>So if I haven't renewed my medical in 4 years, which one is me?
>

I'll take that as a 'yes.'

If Cindy McCain is a pilot, as you imply you are, even if she
opted-out, she should have a record in the airmans database it would
seem.

[Jennifer Allen[_2_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:27:03 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> > wrote in >:
>
> >Larry Dighera wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> >> > wrote in >:
> >>
> >> >> But, what I'd really like to know is if there is one scrap of
> >> >> objective evidence that supports Cindy McCain's assertion that she is
> >> >> a pilot. I didn't find her in the FAA airmans database.
> >> >
> >> >You won't find me either. I opted out years ago. So what?
> >> >
> >>
> >> So you are unaware that when you opt-out there is still a record in
> >> the airmans database?
> >>
> >> Are you among these?
> >>
> >> Total Names found for JENNIFER ALLEN is 6.
> >>
> >> JENNIFER ALLEN JENNIFER ALLEN
> >> JENNIFER GAIL ALLEN JENNIFER CHRISTINE ALLEN
> >> JENNIFER COURTNEY ALLEN JENNIFER MARIE ALLEN
> >
> >So if I haven't renewed my medical in 4 years, which one is me?
> >
>
> I'll take that as a 'yes.'

You are incorrect.

>
>
> If Cindy McCain is a pilot, as you imply you are, even if she
> opted-out, she should have a record in the airmans database it would
> seem.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:42:58 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> wrote in >:

>
>
>Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:27:03 -0400, Jennifer Allen
>> > wrote in >:
>>
>> >Larry Dighera wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
>> >> > wrote in >:
>> >>
>> >> >> But, what I'd really like to know is if there is one scrap of
>> >> >> objective evidence that supports Cindy McCain's assertion that she is
>> >> >> a pilot. I didn't find her in the FAA airmans database.
>> >> >
>> >> >You won't find me either. I opted out years ago. So what?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> So you are unaware that when you opt-out there is still a record in
>> >> the airmans database?
>> >>
>> >> Are you among these?
>> >>
>> >> Total Names found for JENNIFER ALLEN is 6.
>> >>
>> >> JENNIFER ALLEN JENNIFER ALLEN
>> >> JENNIFER GAIL ALLEN JENNIFER CHRISTINE ALLEN
>> >> JENNIFER COURTNEY ALLEN JENNIFER MARIE ALLEN
>> >
>> >So if I haven't renewed my medical in 4 years, which one is me?
>> >
>>
>> I'll take that as a 'yes.'
>
>You are incorrect.
>
>>
>>
>> If Cindy McCain is a pilot, as you imply you are, even if she
>> opted-out, she should have a record in the airmans database it would
>> seem.


Okay. Thank you for the information. It seems that those who opt-out
do not have a public record in the database.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-05-03 11:59:25 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:

> On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
> > wrote in
> <2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>
>> Is there really any contest here?
>
> Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
> executives and Christian crusaders. :-(

Still no sense of humor, eh Larry?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-05-03 13:40:55 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:

> On Sat, 03 May 2008 15:41:25 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> > wrote in >:
>
>> Larry Dighera wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
>>> > wrote in
>>> <2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>>>
>>>> Is there really any contest here?
>>>
>>> Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
>>> executives and Christian crusaders. :-(
>>
>> Well my needs include putting the emergency brakes on outrageous pork
>> spending
>
> So you have no qualms about the three trillion dollar cost of the Iraq
> fiasco or the current outrageous price of gasoline?

Larry, Larry, Larry. You really think that Obama's windfall profit tax
on the oil companies is going to reduce the cost of gas? Let's see:
raise taxes on oil, therefore the cost of gas is going to go down. What
are you smoking? But then, Hillary thought it a good idea, so it must
be so. Too dependent on foreign oil? Why, tax the domestic oil. There's
a good idea. We use too much oil and gas? Why, rant about the price of
gas, as if making it cheaper would make us use less. Want us less
dependent on foreign oil? Make it impossible to drill our own.

Not that McCain's gas tax holiday would actually accomplish anything.

I have yet to see a politician propose an energy policy that is not
filled with contradictions like those. And these people want to be
president?!?

Now, what happened in Vietnam and Cambodia after the Democrats declared
us the losers and went home is instructive. Several million people were
killed. I suppose that wouldn't bother you in Iraq. We have come a long
ways from Kennedy's ÒLet every nation know, whether it wishes us well
or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any
hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the
survival and the success of liberty.Ó Now the Democrats think any price
is to high for liberty. So much for Kennedy, eh?


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-05-03 12:41:25 -0700, Jennifer Allen > said:

> Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
>> > wrote in
>> <2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>>
>>> Is there really any contest here?
>>
>> Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
>> executives and Christian crusaders. :-(
>
> Well my needs include putting the emergency brakes on outrageous pork
> spending and having fewer lawyers control the government of the people.
>
> I have not found McCain to be a "Christian crusader," in the least, but
> I would consider him a war hero who has spent his life serving his
> country in many ways.
>
> If you are anti-Christian or have religious tolerance issues to satisfy,
> who do you vote for?

Poor Larry. He has no one he can support these days. Both of the
Democratic candidates claim to be Christians and are actively seeking
the Christian vote. Sort of the Christian Right vs. the Christian
Wright, eh? :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Jennifer Allen" > wrote in message
...
<...>
>
> So if I haven't renewed my medical in 4 years, which one is me?
>


My last medical was in 1979 - I'm still in there (that's how I looked up my
last medical date) - so are some pilots that have been dead for more than 4
years.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 3 May 2008 19:37:15 -0400, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea
Hawk At Wow Way D0t C0m> wrote in
>:

>"Jennifer Allen" > wrote in message
...
><...>
>>
>> So if I haven't renewed my medical in 4 years, which one is me?
>>
>
>
>My last medical was in 1979 - I'm still in there (that's how I looked up my
>last medical date) - so are some pilots that have been dead for more than 4
>years.


Did you opt-out of inclusion in the FAA airmans database as Ms. Allen
asserted she had?

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 19:37:15 -0400, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea
> Hawk At Wow Way D0t C0m> wrote in
> >:
>
>>"Jennifer Allen" > wrote in message
...
>><...>
>>>
>>> So if I haven't renewed my medical in 4 years, which one is me?
>>>
>>
>>
>>My last medical was in 1979 - I'm still in there (that's how I looked up
>>my
>>last medical date) - so are some pilots that have been dead for more than
>>4
>>years.
>
>
> Did you opt-out of inclusion in the FAA airmans database as Ms. Allen
> asserted she had?
>

Nope. Just pointing out that being in or out has nothing to do with the date
of you last medical.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Benjamin Dover]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> C J Campbell writes:
>
>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married to a
>> woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives race
>> cars and flies airplanes.
>
> If you mean Cindy McCain, I don't see any sign of a large chest.

You have no way of telling. That information is not part of MSFS.

[[email protected]]

On Sat, 3 May 2008 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT), M > wrote:

>On May 1, 8:25 pm, wrote:
>
>>
>> To me, the fuel tax is a very workable answer. You can charge it to
>> the little Cessnas and the big jets as well. It doesn't require any
>> additional overhead for accounting. The only issue there would be
>> those who are using autogas. But hey, nothing's perfect.
>
>Autofuel includes 18.4c federal tax for the highway fund. Considering
>FAA funding is partially coming from the general fund, I would say
>autofuel pilots are paying their fare share of fuel tax.

That's fed funny money. The money comes from the Aviation Trust Fund,
but has to be funneled and approved through the general fund. IOW It's
aviation money, from aviation, earmarked for aviation, but has to be
approved as if it were the general fund (read public) paying it. This
gives the feds more control over what at first appears to actually
come from the general fund even when it doesn't. So they are
currently using it to argue for "user funds" when they have a working
system that could continue to be self supporting. What should be very
straight forward is very convoluted.


Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>
>>
>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is a
>> lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married to
>> a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>
>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married to
>> a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives
>> race cars and flies airplanes.
>>
>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>> --
>
>
> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>
>
>

Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?


Bertie

[Rhonda Lea Kirk[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>
>>>
>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is a
>>> lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married
>>> to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>
>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married
>>> to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives
>>> race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>
>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>> --
>>
>>
>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?

I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity...

....but keep your eyes open. Robert A. Heinlein

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> wrote in >:

>> And that makes McCain qualified to lead our nation how?
>
>It certainly provides qualifications that his competitors do not have.

Below are some other "qualification" his competitors lack
(fortunately):


News clip from the January 17, 1995, Arizona Republic:

"About 300 guests turned out Saturday night to celebrate the 90th
birthday of Joseph 'Joe Bananas' Bonanno, retired boss of New
York's Bonanno crime family. He retired to Tucson in 1968. . .
John McCain, R-Ariz., and Gov. Fife Symington (later also
convicted of fraud) sent their regards by telegram."




http://cbs5.com/campaign08/john.mccain.keating.2.683115.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/
After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family
made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were
to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips
(as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke
in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.

And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the
regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100
in a Keating strip mall.

[Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> > wrote in >:
>
>>> And that makes McCain qualified to lead our nation how?
>>
>> It certainly provides qualifications that his competitors do not
>> have.
>
> Below are some other "qualification" his competitors lack
> (fortunately):
>
>
> News clip from the January 17, 1995, Arizona Republic:
>
> "About 300 guests turned out Saturday night to celebrate the 90th
> birthday of Joseph 'Joe Bananas' Bonanno, retired boss of New
> York's Bonanno crime family. He retired to Tucson in 1968. . .
> John McCain, R-Ariz., and Gov. Fife Symington (later also
> convicted of fraud) sent their regards by telegram."
>
>
>
>
> http://cbs5.com/campaign08/john.mccain.keating.2.683115.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
> http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/
> After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family
> made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were
> to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips
> (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke
> in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.
>
> And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the
> regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100
> in a Keating strip mall.
>

Why do you suppose Clinton hasn't gone after McCain on integrity issues?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvjhe4$je1$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is
a
>>>> lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married
>>>> to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>>
>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married
>>>> to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship,
drives
>>>> race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>>
>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>
> I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.
>

It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't you?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> gatt writes:
>
>> Oh, hell! Not Carly the Destroyer! She'll poison his freakin'
>> campaign. Gave a commencement address at Oregon State University
and
>> said she had something in common with the graduates, which was that
she
>> was looking for a job.
>
> Did she go through her $45 million golden parachute income that
quickly?
>
>> She of course didn't mention that she practically destroyed HP (I was
a
>> contractor there) and its business reputation in the process. But,
>> hell, they paid her to do it I guess.
>
> "Practically"? She did indeed destroy it.
>

What, you get fired from there as well?

Bertie

[Rhonda Lea Kirk[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvjhe4$je1$1
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>>>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who
>>>>> is a lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is
>>>>> married to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married
>>>>> to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship,
>>>>> drives race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>>
>> I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.
>>
>
> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't you?

The last I heard from Tarver was when he sent me an invitation to a
Yahoo!Group he'd started. That was 2003/4 or so.

How did he come to such a fate?

And what happened to the other prominent ada kook regular? I can't
remember his name now, but he was hilarious. (Not Graham, but the one
who had that weird, deadpan writing style.)

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity...

....but keep your eyes open. Robert A. Heinlein

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> gatt writes:
>>
>>> Oh, hell! Not Carly the Destroyer! She'll poison his freakin'
>>> campaign. Gave a commencement address at Oregon State University
> and
>>> said she had something in common with the graduates, which was that
> she
>>> was looking for a job.
>>
>> Did she go through her $45 million golden parachute income that
> quickly?
>>
>>> She of course didn't mention that she practically destroyed HP (I was
> a
>>> contractor there) and its business reputation in the process. But,
>>> hell, they paid her to do it I guess.
>>
>> "Practically"? She did indeed destroy it.
>>
>
> What, you get fired from there as well?
>
> Bertie

Squirt, squirt.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>
>>>
>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is a
>>> lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married to
>>> a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>
>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married to
>>> a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives
>>> race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>
>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>> --
>>
>>
>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>
>
> Bertie


Squirt, squirt.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't you?
>
>
> Bertie

Squirt, squirt.

[Jennifer Allen[_2_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:48 -0400, Jennifer Allen
> > wrote in >:
>
> >> And that makes McCain qualified to lead our nation how?
> >
> >It certainly provides qualifications that his competitors do not have.
>
> Below are some other "qualification" his competitors lack
> (fortunately):
>
> News clip from the January 17, 1995, Arizona Republic:
>
> "About 300 guests turned out Saturday night to celebrate the 90th
> birthday of Joseph 'Joe Bananas' Bonanno, retired boss of New
> York's Bonanno crime family. He retired to Tucson in 1968. . .
> John McCain, R-Ariz., and Gov. Fife Symington (later also
> convicted of fraud) sent their regards by telegram."
>
> http://cbs5.com/campaign08/john.mccain.keating.2.683115.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
> http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/
> After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family
> made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were
> to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips
> (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke
> in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.
>
> And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the
> regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100
> in a Keating strip mall.

Uh huh. From your cite, "The Ethics Committee concluded that Glenn's and
McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal."

"Bennett, who was the special investigator during the Keating Five scandal
that The Times revisited in the article, said that he fully investigated
McCain back then and suggested to the Senate Ethics Committee to not pursue
charges against McCain because of "no evidence against him." Bennett was
coincidentally on Hannity and Colmes the night the story broke to talk
about his autobiography. On the show, he said that he felt the Committee
pursued charges against McCain because, without him, the case would have
been entirely against Democrats.

But since are known for your balanced views, Larry, you were just about to
post about Hillary Clinton's top campaign contributor, felon Norman Hsu,
right?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:9olTj.698$hJ1.440
@newsfe17.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
>> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't you?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Squirt, squirt.
>
>
>

Snort snort!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvkneh$oaa$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvjhe4$je1$1
>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>>>>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who
>>>>>> is a lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is
>>>>>> married to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is
married
>>>>>> to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship,
>>>>>> drives race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>>>
>>> I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.
>>>
>>
>> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
>> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't you?
>
> The last I heard from Tarver was when he sent me an invitation to a
> Yahoo!Group he'd started. That was 2003/4 or so.
>
> How did he come to such a fate?

Decided to share his weed with his underage daughter.
>
> And what happened to the other prominent ada kook regular? I can't
> remember his name now, but he was hilarious. (Not Graham, but the one
> who had that weird, deadpan writing style.)


Not sure who you mean, there. Not George?


Bertie

[Ron Natalie]

wrote:

> But I do know something about creeping fees.
> Remember that Alternative Minimum Tax, that was only for the rich?

Only for the rich who don't pay taxes like the rest of us.
I get hit for it even though I'm 100% normally taxed on withholding.
No tax dodges, no non-taxted, shelters, plain old income.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:OnlTj.697$hJ1.95
@newsfe17.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is
a
>>>> lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married
to
>>>> a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>>
>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is married
to
>>>> a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship, drives
>>>> race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>>
>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> Squirt, squirt.
>
>
>

If you insist.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:pnlTj.696$hJ1.509
@newsfe17.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> gatt writes:
>>>
>>>> Oh, hell! Not Carly the Destroyer! She'll poison his freakin'
>>>> campaign. Gave a commencement address at Oregon State University
>> and
>>>> said she had something in common with the graduates, which was that
>> she
>>>> was looking for a job.
>>>
>>> Did she go through her $45 million golden parachute income that
>> quickly?
>>>
>>>> She of course didn't mention that she practically destroyed HP (I
was
>> a
>>>> contractor there) and its business reputation in the process. But,
>>>> hell, they paid her to do it I guess.
>>>
>>> "Practically"? She did indeed destroy it.
>>>
>>
>> What, you get fired from there as well?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Squirt, squirt.
>
>
>

Boy , you really are this dummmmmmmmm!



Bertie

[skym]

On May 3, 11:39*am, C J Campbell >
wrote:

> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who is a
> lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married to a
> witch who is also a lawyer.

On the other side you have a man who has been called by a Republican
senate colleague as a "dangerous" hothead, who is married to a "c*nt",
as he, himself, decribes her!

[Rhonda Lea Kirk[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvkneh$oaa$1
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvjhe4$je1$1
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who
>>>>>>> is a lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is
>>>>>>> married to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is
>>>>>>> married to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer
>>>>>>> distributorship, drives race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>>>>
>>>> I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
>>> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't you?
>>
>> The last I heard from Tarver was when he sent me an invitation to a
>> Yahoo!Group he'd started. That was 2003/4 or so.
>>
>> How did he come to such a fate?
>
> Decided to share his weed with his underage daughter.

That explains a lot.

>> And what happened to the other prominent ada kook regular? I can't
>> remember his name now, but he was hilarious. (Not Graham, but the one
>> who had that weird, deadpan writing style.)
>
>
> Not sure who you mean, there.

Ralphie (Roswell, not Nesbitt.)

I couldn't remember his name, so I went mucking about in Google...which
reminded me of just how much I miss running with scissors.

> Not George?

The only George I remember is Dr. George, and he sure wasn't a loon.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk


--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

If you ever need some proof that time can heal your wounds,
just step inside my heart and walk around these rooms;
where the shadows used to be.... Mary Chapin Carpenter

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On May 5, 1:00*pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> > "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvkneh$oaa$1
> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> >> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvjhe4$je1$1
> >>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> >>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >>>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> :
>
> >>>>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> >>>>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>
> >>>>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch who
> >>>>>>> is a lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is
> >>>>>>> married to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>
> >>>>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is
> >>>>>>> married to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer
> >>>>>>> distributorship, drives race cars and flies airplanes.
>
> >>>>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
> >>>>>>> --
>
> >>>>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>
> >>>>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>
> >>>> I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.
>
> >>> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
> >>> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't you?
>
> >> The last I heard from Tarver was when he sent me an invitation to a
> >> Yahoo!Group he'd started. That was 2003/4 or so.
>
> >> How did he come to such a fate?
>
> > Decided to share his weed with his underage daughter.
>
> That explains a lot.
>
> >> And what happened to the other prominent ada kook regular? I can't
> >> remember his name now, but he was hilarious. (Not Graham, but the one
> >> who had that weird, deadpan writing style.)
>
> > Not sure who you mean, there.
>
> Ralphie (Roswell, not Nesbitt.)

Oh God! Ralphie? Deadpan? You must be kidding! the KING OF THE
INAPPROPRIATE CAPS? BNot to mention his constant spluttering, threats
of violence and reporting me to the FBI! He was, without a doubt, the
best loon I ever saw. He was magnificent. We shall ne'er see his like
again..
>
> I couldn't remember his name, so I went mucking about in Google...which
> reminded me of just how much I miss running with scissors.
>
> > Not George?
>
> The only George I remember is Dr. George, and he sure wasn't a loon.

No, not him. I can´t remember his last name but Georgee was a bit like
maxwell, but further along the bunyip trail. He was the one with the
Labrador named hillary he said he used to screw? And he thought
airplanes were made from parts of old cars? You know, a recirculating
ball steering assembly out aof a 52 DeSoto for a PCU, that sort of
stuff.






Bertie

[Rhonda Lea Kirk[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> On May 5, 1:00 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote:
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvkneh$oaa$1
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvjhe4$je1$1
>>>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>
>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>>>>>>> :
>>
>>>>>>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>>>>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch
>>>>>>>>> who is a lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer
>>>>>>>>> who is married to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is
>>>>>>>>> married to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer
>>>>>>>>> distributorship, drives race cars and flies airplanes.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>>>>>>>> --
>>
>>>>>>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>
>>>>>>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>>
>>>>>> I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.
>>
>>>>> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
>>>>> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't
>>>>> you?
>>
>>>> The last I heard from Tarver was when he sent me an invitation to a
>>>> Yahoo!Group he'd started. That was 2003/4 or so.
>>
>>>> How did he come to such a fate?
>>
>>> Decided to share his weed with his underage daughter.
>>
>> That explains a lot.
>>
>>>> And what happened to the other prominent ada kook regular? I can't
>>>> remember his name now, but he was hilarious. (Not Graham, but the
>>>> one who had that weird, deadpan writing style.)
>>
>>> Not sure who you mean, there.
>>
>> Ralphie (Roswell, not Nesbitt.)
>
> Oh God! Ralphie? Deadpan? You must be kidding!

You're right. I'm wrong. It was stan.

Ralphie was a whole 'nother box of cookies.

> the KING OF THE
> INAPPROPRIATE CAPS? BNot to mention his constant spluttering, threats
> of violence and reporting me to the FBI!

Everyone should report you to the FBI, Bertie. It's their civic duty.
<runs>

> He was, without a doubt, the
> best loon I ever saw. He was magnificent. We shall ne'er see his like
> again..

I wonder what happened to him. I also wonder what happened to stan. And
speaking of ada, how's Mazor doing?

>> I couldn't remember his name, so I went mucking about in
>> Google...which reminded me of just how much I miss running with
>> scissors.
>>
>>> Not George?
>>
>> The only George I remember is Dr. George, and he sure wasn't a loon.
>
> No, not him. I can´t remember his last name but Georgee was a bit like
> maxwell, but further along the bunyip trail. He was the one with the
> Labrador named hillary he said he used to screw?

Oh God, Bertie. I don't remember him, and I don't want to know.

> And he thought
> airplanes were made from parts of old cars? You know, a recirculating
> ball steering assembly out aof a 52 DeSoto for a PCU, that sort of
> stuff.

You sure know how to pick 'em.

Rhonda Lea Kirk

Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity...

....but keep your eyes open. Robert A. Heinlein

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvpcau$5gk$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> On May 5, 1:00 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote:
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvkneh$oaa$1
>>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" > wrote in news:fvjhe4$je1
$1
>>>>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>>>>>>>> :
>>>
>>>>>>>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>> news:2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>>>>>>>> On 2008-05-02 14:09:49 -0700, said:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aw, c'mon, guys. On the one side you have a choice: a witch
>>>>>>>>>> who is a lawyer who is also married to a lawyer, or a lawyer
>>>>>>>>>> who is married to a witch who is also a lawyer.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the other side you have a true American war hero who is
>>>>>>>>>> married to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer
>>>>>>>>>> distributorship, drives race cars and flies airplanes.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there really any contest here? :-)
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I gotta hand it to ya CJ, you have a very good point.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Aww, you gonna be all nice and stuff now?
>>>
>>>>>>> I really don't enjoy Maxie as much as I enjoyed Tarver, Bertie.
>>>
>>>>>> It's early days yet. I've only just got him lathered up. He has
>>>>>> potential! BTW,you know that Tarver ended up in the can, don't
>>>>>> you?
>>>
>>>>> The last I heard from Tarver was when he sent me an invitation to
a
>>>>> Yahoo!Group he'd started. That was 2003/4 or so.
>>>
>>>>> How did he come to such a fate?
>>>
>>>> Decided to share his weed with his underage daughter.
>>>
>>> That explains a lot.
>>>
>>>>> And what happened to the other prominent ada kook regular? I can't
>>>>> remember his name now, but he was hilarious. (Not Graham, but the
>>>>> one who had that weird, deadpan writing style.)
>>>
>>>> Not sure who you mean, there.
>>>
>>> Ralphie (Roswell, not Nesbitt.)
>>
>> Oh God! Ralphie? Deadpan? You must be kidding!
>
> You're right. I'm wrong. It was stan.
>
> Ralphie was a whole 'nother box of cookies.
>
>> the KING OF THE
>> INAPPROPRIATE CAPS? BNot to mention his constant spluttering, threats
>> of violence and reporting me to the FBI!
>
> Everyone should report you to the FBI, Bertie. It's their civic duty.
> <runs>

Absolutely.

The best part was the agent who talked to him dubbed him "the shrieking
puffball" saving us the effort of giving him a nick.

>
>> He was, without a doubt, the
>> best loon I ever saw. He was magnificent. We shall ne'er see his like
>> again..
>
> I wonder what happened to him. I also wonder what happened to stan.
And
> speaking of ada, how's Mazor doing?
>

Haven't seen hide nor hair of him in a few months...
He was well last time..

>>> I couldn't remember his name, so I went mucking about in
>>> Google...which reminded me of just how much I miss running with
>>> scissors.
>>>
>>>> Not George?
>>>
>>> The only George I remember is Dr. George, and he sure wasn't a loon.
>>
>> No, not him. I can´t remember his last name but Georgee was a bit
like
>> maxwell, but further along the bunyip trail. He was the one with the
>> Labrador named hillary he said he used to screw?
>
> Oh God, Bertie. I don't remember him, and I don't want to know.

He was another little gem.

>
>> And he thought
>> airplanes were made from parts of old cars? You know, a recirculating
>> ball steering assembly out aof a 52 DeSoto for a PCU, that sort of
>> stuff.
>
> You sure know how to pick 'em.


Hey, the beauty is, they pick me!

>
> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>
> Never attribute to malice that which can be
> adequately explained by stupidity...
>
> ...but keep your eyes open. Robert A. Heinlein
>
>
>

[[email protected]]

On May 3, 11:59 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:39:16 -0700, C J Campbell
> > wrote in
> <2008050310391616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>
> >Is there really any contest here?
>
> Not if you want your needs placed ahead of those of Fortune 500
> executives and Christian crusaders. :-(

Jeez, of course I want my needs placed before the Fortune 500 CEOs and
the right wing Christian death squads!

[Skylune]

On May 3, 10:13*pm, wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT), M > wrote:
> >On May 1, 8:25 pm, wrote:
>
> >> To me, the fuel tax is a very workable answer. *You can charge it to
> >> the little Cessnas and the big jets as well. *It doesn't require any
> >> additional overhead for accounting. *The only issue there would be
> >> those who are using autogas. *But hey, nothing's perfect.
>
> >Autofuel includes 18.4c federal tax for the highway fund. *Considering
> >FAA funding is partially coming from the general fund, I would say
> >autofuel pilots are paying their fare share of fuel tax.
>
> That's fed funny money. *The money comes from the Aviation Trust Fund,
> but has to be funneled and approved through the general fund. IOW It's
> aviation money, from aviation, earmarked for aviation, but has to be
> approved as if it were the general fund (read public) paying it. *This
> gives the feds more control over what at first appears to actually
> come from *the general fund even when it doesn't. So they are
> currently using it to argue for "user funds" when they have a working
> system that could continue to be self supporting. *What should be very
> straight forward is very convoluted.
>
> Roger (K8RI) *ARRL Life Member
> N833R (World's oldest Debonair)www.rogerhalstead.com

Holy cow. Where did you get that nonsense. The so called "Trust Fund"
is called that because it is set apart from general appropriations.
The money in the trust fund comes almost all from commercial ticket
taxes, and General Fund (i.e. general taxpayer) support. GA pays less
than 3% of the annual revenue into the trust fund, and is arguably
(with certain agriculture) the most subsidized industry in the
nation.

You really got to not rely on what nonsense Boyer puts out. Its all
nonsense spin, and outright lies when it comes to funding.