10.000 Miles In A 2-Cylinder Motorglider in 1930.

[Larry Dighera]

I ran across another interesting old photo:


http://cgi.ebay.com/1930-Tom-Thumb-Plane-Glider-Vintage-Aviation-Photo_W0QQitemZ220229201514QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1427 9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
1930 Tom Thumb Plane/Glider Vintage Aviation Photo

Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton take off for South America in
their micro "pleasure plane".

Date: Nov 28, 1930

Bound for South American in a Tom Thumb airplane
Caldwell, N. J.... Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton taking off for
South America in their tiny plane-glider. Ten thousand miles of
land must unfold before them before they reach their destination.
It is a brave attempt considering the size of the plane. If the
flight is successful, it will establish a record for "pleasure
planes."


Does anyone have any additional information about this record attempt
or the aviators?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

>
>
> I ran across another interesting old photo:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930-Tom-Thumb-Plane-Glider-Vintage-Aviation-
Photo_
> W0QQitemZ220229201514QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14279QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
c
> mdZViewItem
> 1930 Tom Thumb Plane/Glider Vintage Aviation Photo
>
> Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton take off for South America in
> their micro "pleasure plane".
>
> Date: Nov 28, 1930
>
> Bound for South American in a Tom Thumb airplane
> Caldwell, N. J.... Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton taking off for
> South America in their tiny plane-glider. Ten thousand miles of
> land must unfold before them before they reach their destination.
> It is a brave attempt considering the size of the plane. If the
> flight is successful, it will establish a record for "pleasure
> planes."
>
>
> Does anyone have any additional information about this record attempt
> or the aviators?
>


That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a single
seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh less than
about 90 lbs each. That is a very very early one as well. Bugy type
landing gear. I'm not sure if there are any that early surviving. I've
flown the much higher powered C-3 ( 33 HP!) and it went OK with one up
not so good with two, though it did go up. Unlikely those guys made the
trip unless they had some decent ground support. and some very good
intel. That thing cruises at about 50 on a good day, BTW.



Bertie



Bertie

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
>airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a single
>seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh less than
>about 90 lbs each.

Agreed. I had an opportunity to take a short flight in a C-2 (a.k.a.
Flying Bathtub) about 20 yrs. ago (my first tailwheel flight). The one I
flew looks like the one in the pic except for the landing gear wheels looked
more like bicycle wheels.

I think the pic and the story must be a 1930s hoax (or some poor pilot's
wishful thinking). I can't see any way that two guys could fly a C-2 to
South America.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in
news:838437c34fdda@uwe:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>>That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
>>airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a
>>single seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh
>>less than about 90 lbs each.
>
> Agreed. I had an opportunity to take a short flight in a C-2
> (a.k.a.
> Flying Bathtub) about 20 yrs. ago (my first tailwheel flight). The
> one I flew looks like the one in the pic except for the landing gear
> wheels looked more like bicycle wheels.

Yeah, that's a real early one with what were known as "buggy" wheels.
Most of them had balloon tires though. The bike wheels must be something
it picked up in a restoration.
>
> I think the pic and the story must be a 1930s hoax (or some poor
> pilot's
> wishful thinking). I can't see any way that two guys could fly a C-2
> to South America.
>

I can't see two guys getting airborne in one, never mnd getting
anywhere! They set a lot of records in their day, though. IIRC someone
got one up to 20,000' plus (probably over Pike's Peak. Your airplane was
unsalable unless you flew it over Pike's peak) and I think one set an
unrefueled endurance record or something. I have a large library of 20s
and 30s aviation mags and books and these two spunky guys in a flivver
stories are commonplace. Aviation was a huge adventure and the world
stopped and held it's breath for record flights. Big temptation for a
couple of kids to try it on a shoestring. I'd be willing to bet they
tried it, one of them following behind in a beat up Model T and it all
ending in tears when the Airknocker went into a tree somewhere. Then,of
course, the phone call home to Ma to get money wired to some ********
town in texas where the wreck lay..



Bertie

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> Larry Dighera > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>>
>> I ran across another interesting old photo:
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930-Tom-Thumb-Plane-Glider-Vintage-Aviation-
> Photo_
>> W0QQitemZ220229201514QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14279QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
> c
>> mdZViewItem
>> 1930 Tom Thumb Plane/Glider Vintage Aviation Photo
>>
>> Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton take off for South America in
>> their micro "pleasure plane".
>>
>> Date: Nov 28, 1930
>>
>> Bound for South American in a Tom Thumb airplane
>> Caldwell, N. J.... Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton taking off for
>> South America in their tiny plane-glider. Ten thousand miles of
>> land must unfold before them before they reach their destination.
>> It is a brave attempt considering the size of the plane. If the
>> flight is successful, it will establish a record for "pleasure
>> planes."
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any additional information about this record attempt
>> or the aviators?
>>
>
>
> That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
> airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a single
> seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh less than
> about 90 lbs each. That is a very very early one as well. Bugy type
> landing gear. I'm not sure if there are any that early surviving. I've
> flown the much higher powered C-3 ( 33 HP!) and it went OK with one up
> not so good with two, though it did go up. Unlikely those guys made the
> trip unless they had some decent ground support. and some very good
> intel. That thing cruises at about 50 on a good day, BTW.
>
>
>
> Bertie
>
>
>
> Bertie
>

Aren't you and MX glad you have google? Almost sounds like you know what
you're talking about Squirty.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:JVpSj.59198$QC.8438
@newsfe20.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I ran across another interesting old photo:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930-Tom-Thumb-Plane-Glider-Vintage-Aviation-
>> Photo_
>>>
W0QQitemZ220229201514QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14279QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
>> c
>>> mdZViewItem
>>> 1930 Tom Thumb Plane/Glider Vintage Aviation Photo
>>>
>>> Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton take off for South America in
>>> their micro "pleasure plane".
>>>
>>> Date: Nov 28, 1930
>>>
>>> Bound for South American in a Tom Thumb airplane
>>> Caldwell, N. J.... Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton taking off
for
>>> South America in their tiny plane-glider. Ten thousand miles of
>>> land must unfold before them before they reach their
destination.
>>> It is a brave attempt considering the size of the plane. If the
>>> flight is successful, it will establish a record for "pleasure
>>> planes."
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any additional information about this record
attempt
>>> or the aviators?
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
>> airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a
single
>> seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh less
than
>> about 90 lbs each. That is a very very early one as well. Bugy type
>> landing gear. I'm not sure if there are any that early surviving.
I've
>> flown the much higher powered C-3 ( 33 HP!) and it went OK with one
up
>> not so good with two, though it did go up. Unlikely those guys made
the
>> trip unless they had some decent ground support. and some very good
>> intel. That thing cruises at about 50 on a good day, BTW.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> Aren't you and MX glad you have google? Almost sounds like you know
what
> you're talking about Squirty.


I do know what I'm talking about. And anyone else who knows what they
are talking about knows it.



Bertie
>
>
>

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in
> news:838437c34fdda@uwe:
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>
>>>That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
>>>airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a
>>>single seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh
>>>less than about 90 lbs each.
>>
>> Agreed. I had an opportunity to take a short flight in a C-2
>> (a.k.a.
>> Flying Bathtub) about 20 yrs. ago (my first tailwheel flight). The
>> one I flew looks like the one in the pic except for the landing gear
>> wheels looked more like bicycle wheels.
>
> Yeah, that's a real early one with what were known as "buggy" wheels.
> Most of them had balloon tires though. The bike wheels must be something
> it picked up in a restoration.
>>
>> I think the pic and the story must be a 1930s hoax (or some poor
>> pilot's
>> wishful thinking). I can't see any way that two guys could fly a C-2
>> to South America.
>>
>
> I can't see two guys getting airborne in one, never mnd getting
> anywhere! They set a lot of records in their day, though. IIRC someone
> got one up to 20,000' plus (probably over Pike's Peak. Your airplane was
> unsalable unless you flew it over Pike's peak) and I think one set an
> unrefueled endurance record or something. I have a large library of 20s
> and 30s aviation mags and books and these two spunky guys in a flivver
> stories are commonplace. Aviation was a huge adventure and the world
> stopped and held it's breath for record flights. Big temptation for a
> couple of kids to try it on a shoestring. I'd be willing to bet they
> tried it, one of them following behind in a beat up Model T and it all
> ending in tears when the Airknocker went into a tree somewhere. Then,of
> course, the phone call home to Ma to get money wired to some ********
> town in texas where the wreck lay..
>
>
>
> Bertie

Ya gotta link? When you google up this ****, save the link.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:JVpSj.59198$QC.8438
> @newsfe20.lga:
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ran across another interesting old photo:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930-Tom-Thumb-Plane-Glider-Vintage-Aviation-
>>> Photo_
>>>>
> W0QQitemZ220229201514QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14279QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
>>> c
>>>> mdZViewItem
>>>> 1930 Tom Thumb Plane/Glider Vintage Aviation Photo
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton take off for South America in
>>>> their micro "pleasure plane".
>>>>
>>>> Date: Nov 28, 1930
>>>>
>>>> Bound for South American in a Tom Thumb airplane
>>>> Caldwell, N. J.... Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton taking off
> for
>>>> South America in their tiny plane-glider. Ten thousand miles of
>>>> land must unfold before them before they reach their
> destination.
>>>> It is a brave attempt considering the size of the plane. If the
>>>> flight is successful, it will establish a record for "pleasure
>>>> planes."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any additional information about this record
> attempt
>>>> or the aviators?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
>>> airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a
> single
>>> seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh less
> than
>>> about 90 lbs each. That is a very very early one as well. Bugy type
>>> landing gear. I'm not sure if there are any that early surviving.
> I've
>>> flown the much higher powered C-3 ( 33 HP!) and it went OK with one
> up
>>> not so good with two, though it did go up. Unlikely those guys made
> the
>>> trip unless they had some decent ground support. and some very good
>>> intel. That thing cruises at about 50 on a good day, BTW.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>
>> Aren't you and MX glad you have google? Almost sounds like you know
> what
>> you're talking about Squirty.
>
>
> I do know what I'm talking about. And anyone else who knows what they
> are talking about knows it.
>
>
>
> Bertie
>>

Sure we do Gurtie. Cuz Gertie knows everything, and Gertie knows everyone,
and Gertie has done everything.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:K4qSj.59205$QC.32069
@newsfe20.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in
>> news:838437c34fdda@uwe:
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A good
>>>>airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's also a
>>>>single seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys
weigh
>>>>less than about 90 lbs each.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I had an opportunity to take a short flight in a C-2
>>> (a.k.a.
>>> Flying Bathtub) about 20 yrs. ago (my first tailwheel flight). The
>>> one I flew looks like the one in the pic except for the landing gear
>>> wheels looked more like bicycle wheels.
>>
>> Yeah, that's a real early one with what were known as "buggy" wheels.
>> Most of them had balloon tires though. The bike wheels must be
something
>> it picked up in a restoration.
>>>
>>> I think the pic and the story must be a 1930s hoax (or some poor
>>> pilot's
>>> wishful thinking). I can't see any way that two guys could fly a C-
2
>>> to South America.
>>>
>>
>> I can't see two guys getting airborne in one, never mnd getting
>> anywhere! They set a lot of records in their day, though. IIRC
someone
>> got one up to 20,000' plus (probably over Pike's Peak. Your airplane
was
>> unsalable unless you flew it over Pike's peak) and I think one set an
>> unrefueled endurance record or something. I have a large library of
20s
>> and 30s aviation mags and books and these two spunky guys in a
flivver
>> stories are commonplace. Aviation was a huge adventure and the world
>> stopped and held it's breath for record flights. Big temptation for a
>> couple of kids to try it on a shoestring. I'd be willing to bet they
>> tried it, one of them following behind in a beat up Model T and it
all
>> ending in tears when the Airknocker went into a tree somewhere.
Then,of
>> course, the phone call home to Ma to get money wired to some ********
>> town in texas where the wreck lay..
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Ya gotta link? When you google up this ****, save the link.
>
>
>


Nope. Just looked in my head..
Some peopel actualyl know thinkgs you know. Foreign concept for you, I
realise, but it's true.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:JVpSj.59198$QC.8438
>> @newsfe20.lga:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran across another interesting old photo:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930-Tom-Thumb-Plane-Glider-Vintage-Aviation-
>>>> Photo_
>>>>>
>>
W0QQitemZ220229201514QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14279QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
>>>> c
>>>>> mdZViewItem
>>>>> 1930 Tom Thumb Plane/Glider Vintage Aviation Photo
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton take off for South America in
>>>>> their micro "pleasure plane".
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Nov 28, 1930
>>>>>
>>>>> Bound for South American in a Tom Thumb airplane
>>>>> Caldwell, N. J.... Joseph Jones and Edwin Wingerton taking off
>> for
>>>>> South America in their tiny plane-glider. Ten thousand miles
>>>>> of land must unfold before them before they reach their
>> destination.
>>>>> It is a brave attempt considering the size of the plane. If
>>>>> the flight is successful, it will establish a record for
>>>>> "pleasure planes."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any additional information about this record
>> attempt
>>>>> or the aviators?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's an Aeronca C-2 with an E107 engine on the nose. 26 HP. A
>>>> good airplane in it's day, it's not a motorglider, though. It's
>>>> also a
>> single
>>>> seater and there's no way it would fly unless those guys weigh less
>> than
>>>> about 90 lbs each. That is a very very early one as well. Bugy type
>>>> landing gear. I'm not sure if there are any that early surviving.
>> I've
>>>> flown the much higher powered C-3 ( 33 HP!) and it went OK with one
>> up
>>>> not so good with two, though it did go up. Unlikely those guys made
>> the
>>>> trip unless they had some decent ground support. and some very good
>>>> intel. That thing cruises at about 50 on a good day, BTW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>
>>> Aren't you and MX glad you have google? Almost sounds like you know
>> what
>>> you're talking about Squirty.
>>
>>
>> I do know what I'm talking about. And anyone else who knows what they
>> are talking about knows it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>>
>
> Sure we do Gurtie. Cuz Gertie knows everything, and Gertie knows
> everyone, and Gertie has done everything.
>


Not everythign, but more than you. Of course, I saw a slug out in the
garden today that's done more flying than you.


Bertie