Moderated List [Archive] - AviationBanter

Larry Dighera

May 2nd 08, 05:57 PM

On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny >
wrote in
>:

>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>this group...

I'm disappointed. I thought you were strong enough to rise above the
noise. Oh well...

A wise fellow once said:

"A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of
many bad measures."
--Daniel Webster

Another uttered:

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
--Benjamin Franklin

>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>
>denny

Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost more
than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision to draft
an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to require a
full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship evenhandedness
and impartiality are acceptable to the readership. Have you the time
to devote to moderation? Or are you proposing to pay the salaries of
the moderator(s)? You may want to do some research before
responding: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html

Assuming suitable moderators can be selected who are willing to
dutifully fulfill their responsibilities over the decades, there is
also another little matter to address before they will be needed.
There is a formal process to create a newsgroup under the big-8. You
can read about it here:
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/big-eight.html
http://faqs.cs.uu.nl/na-dir/newgroup-faq.html Basically, there needs
to be formal discussion that complies with the guidelines, and a vote.

Personally, I prefer to accept the noise if means avoiding censorship.
Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life
those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it
might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation.
-- François-Marie Arouet

In any event, any public display of frustration, perplexity, or
against (as is implicit in this message thread) only serves to
reinforce the behavior of those whose only purpose is to be
ignominiously disruptive.

Forbearance an tolerance, my boy. Trolls build character. :-)

The most successful attack against the trolls is passive and
necessarily limited to being only two pronged:

1. Do not respond to them, nor show dismay, nor outrage.
2. Post ON-TOPIC articles to increase the newsgroup's
signal-to-noise ratio.

You may find that any other action counterproductive.

Obligatory rec.aviation.piloting content:

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=90982
Nevada governor to bill Fossett widow for search expenses

CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - Gov. Jim Gibbons intends to bill the
widow of missing multimillionaire adventurer Steve Fossett for
$687,000 the state spent in searching for the famed aviator last
fall, a spokesman said. ...

On Tuesday, before Kieckhefer revealed the governor's plans, state
Emergency Management Director Frank Siracusa said state and local
government search and rescue workers have a long-standing
tradition of not charging when they hunt for missing persons, even
for multimillionaires such as Steve Fossett.

"We do not charge the rich or the poor," Siracusa said. "There is
no precedent where government will go after people for costs just
because they have money to pay for it. You get lost, and we look
for you. It is a service your taxpayer dollars pay for."

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 2nd 08, 06:55 PM

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:
>
>
> Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost more
> than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision to draft
> an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to require a
> full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship evenhandedness
> and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.

Hey, I'll do it.

Bertie

Mxsmanic

May 2nd 08, 07:03 PM

Denny writes:

> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
> this group...
> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...

Moderated lists almost invariably die a slow death. Moderation is censorship
and is never very popular, and moderation is a very difficult and
time-consuming job that most people cannot handle. Lots of people want to
have the authority of moderators, but virtually none want the responsibility
or the ethical obligations.

That is why virtually all newsgroups on USENET are unmoderated.

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

May 2nd 08, 07:19 PM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:57:05 GMT, Larry Dighera > wrote in >:

> ... There is a formal process to create a newsgroup under the big-8. You
>can read about it here:
>http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/big-eight.html

The first line of that FAQ notes that it is now obsolete.

There is a slightly revised--but still complex--system
that has taken its place:

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php

You may have to try this twice to get the page--it times
out on me pretty regularly.

> ... Basically, there needs
>to be formal discussion that complies with the guidelines, and a vote.

True.

The vote is now by an eight-member board. That sidesteps
some problems but causes others.

>Personally, I prefer to accept the noise if means avoiding censorship.

I have served as a moderator for 10 years and I do not
view what we do as "censorship." YMMV.

Having said that, I know full well that moderation produces
a very different kind of group and that it does not cure all
ills.

>In any event, any public display of frustration, perplexity, or
>against (as is implicit in this message thread) only serves to
>reinforce the behavior of those whose only purpose is to be
>ignominiously disruptive.

Well then, you've just violated your own rule. ;o)

>The most successful attack against the trolls is passive and
>necessarily limited to being only two pronged:

> 1. Do not respond to them, nor show dismay, nor outrage.
> 2. Post ON-TOPIC articles to increase the newsgroup's
> signal-to-noise ratio.

I back that strategy. If I had known in 1998 what I know
now, I probably would not have volunteered to act as a
moderator. Live and learn.

>Obligatory rec.aviation.piloting content: ...

It is virtually impossible for any newsgroup not to talk
about the health of the newsgroup from time to time. Using
consistent subject lines will help people decide whether
they want to read the thread or not. So I'm not going to
tack on anything about my most recent adventures in
General Aviation (they aren't all that recent).

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 2nd 08, 07:21 PM

gregvk > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvfkio$shp$1
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>> :
>>>
>>>
>>> Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost more
>>> than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision to draft
>>> an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to require a
>>> full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship evenhandedness
>>> and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.
>>
>> Hey, I'll do it.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I'll get you started with The Rules.
>
> Rule #1 - Discussing moderation is forbidden because it just makes
> people get upset. Those who discuss moderation will be banned from
> Usenet for at least 6 months. Anyone who attempts to circumvent the
> ban will be reported to the authorities and prosecuted for misuse of
> an automated information system.
>

I was just gonna kick out peopel who flew cherokess, but anything that
starts an argument is good , so your idea flies.

Bertie

Robert M. Gary

May 2nd 08, 07:23 PM

On May 2, 8:20*am, Gig 601Xl Builder >
wrote:
> tman wrote:

> I don't know if you've ever been involved with a moded newsgroups I have
> and they usually die out at some point and it usually because of
> someones ego.

Most of the type specific groups I've been involved in have been
moderated. They work because the moderator exercises an extreme amount
of restraint. Most would argue they wish the moderator would kick
people off sooner but I think the greater good is best served when he
does not. Its too easy for a moderator to kick someone off because
they don't agree with his opinion.
In fact, the most successful moderated groups seem be those where the
moderator is nearly absent and only gets involved after several
complaints. An active moderator deleting posts etc just leads to
frustration.

-Robert

Tman

May 2nd 08, 07:36 PM

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

>
> I don't know if you've ever been involved with a moded newsgroups I have
> and they usually die out at some point and it usually because of
> someones ego.

Hey not this one:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.invest.financial-plan/about

Reading through a lot of the responses, I'd say that getting a new NG
"approved" is a non-issue, and I personally have the resources to make
the technical end of it be a non-issue.

The challenge is finding a group of 3-4 moderators for redundancy and
workload sharing that have the right attitude to "moderate", and not
"censor".

One of the notable things on m.i.f-p is that it is not moderated for
correctness or quality of content, it is moderated to filter out the
chaff, flames, structurally poor postings (e.g. no trimming), O/T stuff,
spam, etc. I think it's this liberal moderation policy that has
resulted in the m.i.f-p's group's longevity and success.

Just for an at-home example, Most of Mxsm...'s initial posts, and
on-topic followups would be allowed in a "well-moderated" group (but not
the flames that he baits). One may not agree with him, think he is
right, think he is beautiful, has an ATP, or speaks from any authority,
but the discussions do (often) start out on topic.

Bottom line is that success lies in getting enough of the right moderators.

Martin Hotze[_2_]

May 2nd 08, 07:55 PM

Denny schrieb:
> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
> this group...
> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...

for a start don't use google-groups (but a real newsreader connecting to
a real newsserver) and filter out any postings coming from there.

> denny

#m

Bill Denton[_2_]

May 2nd 08, 08:19 PM

"author's full name, residential address, telephone number, and IP address"

I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.

Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that information so they
won't have to waste time crawling newsgroups to get it?

"gregvk" > wrote in message
...
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvfm2v$shp$9
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> gregvk > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvfkio$shp$1
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost more
>>>>> than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision to draft
>>>>> an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to require a
>>>>> full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship evenhandedness
>>>>> and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I'll do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> I'll get you started with The Rules.
>>>
>>> Rule #1 - Discussing moderation is forbidden because it just makes
>>> people get upset. Those who discuss moderation will be banned from
>>> Usenet for at least 6 months. Anyone who attempts to circumvent the
>>> ban will be reported to the authorities and prosecuted for misuse of
>>> an automated information system.
>>>
>>
>> I was just gonna kick out peopel who flew cherokess, but anything that
>> starts an argument is good , so your idea flies.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Rule #2 - An article will not be approved for posting unless the header
> contain's the author's full name, residential address, telephone number,
> and IP address. Posting false or unverifiable information is both
> bannable
> and prosecutable as fraud.

Benjamin Dover

May 2nd 08, 08:36 PM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Denny writes:
>
>> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>> this group...
>> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>
> Moderated lists almost invariably die a slow death. Moderation is
> censorship and is never very popular, and moderation is a very
> difficult and time-consuming job that most people cannot handle. Lots
> of people want to have the authority of moderators, but virtually none
> want the responsibility or the ethical obligations.
>
> That is why virtually all newsgroups on USENET are unmoderated.
>

Moderation keeps morons like you out. You are nothing but a liar. Every
time you claim to have flown, you lie. You do NOT fly. You're a total
fraud. You don't know **** from shinola about aviation.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]

May 2nd 08, 08:38 PM

Jay Maynard wrote:
> The problem is not bottom posting. The problem is a total and utter lack of
> trimming.

That is my personal bugaboo. I learned long ago that quotations weren't
supposed to be an archive of the conversation but merely a reference point for
your answer. How many layers of crap do there have to be before I give up? My
screen resolution is 1280X 1024. If I don't start to see some new material on
the page, I won't scroll down to try to find it. I just move on to the next
message.

It seems to me if an author wants somebody to read his words of wisdom, he'll
make it easy to find them. Otherwise he's done nothing more than fart in a
gale.

We don't need moderation. We just need folks to pay attention to what they're
doing.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Larry Dighera

May 2nd 08, 08:47 PM

On 02 May 2008 18:14:00 GMT, gregvk > wrote in
>:

>Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks

Larry Dighera

May 2nd 08, 08:56 PM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 14:36:55 -0400, tman <inv@lid> wrote in
>:

>Bottom line is that success lies in getting enough of the right moderators.

There can be another issue with moderated discussion.

I recall a law suit that ultimately resulted in AvWeb changing hands.
It was over some inflammatory posting that the moderator(s) chose not
to censor. It seems, that once censorship rears its head, the
potential for legal recourse follows closely behind.....

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 2nd 08, 09:21 PM

gregvk > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvfm2v$shp$9
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> gregvk > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvfkio$shp$1
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>> Larry Dighera > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost
>>>>> more than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision
>>>>> to draft an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to
>>>>> require a full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship
>>>>> evenhandedness and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I'll do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> I'll get you started with The Rules.
>>>
>>> Rule #1 - Discussing moderation is forbidden because it just makes
>>> people get upset. Those who discuss moderation will be banned from
>>> Usenet for at least 6 months. Anyone who attempts to circumvent the
>>> ban will be reported to the authorities and prosecuted for misuse of
>>> an automated information system.
>>>
>>
>> I was just gonna kick out peopel who flew cherokess, but anything
>> that starts an argument is good , so your idea flies.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Rule #2 - An article will not be approved for posting unless the
> header contain's the author's full name, residential address,
> telephone number, and IP address. Posting false or unverifiable
> information is both bannable and prosecutable as fraud.
>

Oh this is Larry's kinda group...

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 2nd 08, 09:22 PM

"Bill Denton" > wrote in
:

> "author's full name, residential address, telephone number, and IP
> address"
>
> I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.
>
> Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that information so
> they won't have to waste time crawling newsgroups to get it?
>
>
>

Now that's thinking outside the box.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 2nd 08, 09:24 PM

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On 02 May 2008 18:14:00 GMT, gregvk > wrote in
> >:
>
>>Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
>

alt.fan.larry-dighera.netkop.netkop.netkop added

Morgans[_2_]

May 2nd 08, 09:52 PM

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <> wrote

> We don't need moderation. We just need folks to pay attention to what they're
> doing.

As much as I do not like the idea of moderation, it would cure a problem beyond
people not paying attention. It could get rid of several fujwits that have done
nothing but pollute the place, and run off many people who finally felt the
effort to stay was not worth it.

It has merit, IMHO.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans[_2_]

May 2nd 08, 09:57 PM

"tman" <inv@lid> wrote

> Just for an at-home example, Most of Mxsm...'s initial posts, and on-topic
> followups would be allowed in a "well-moderated" group (but not the flames
> that he baits).

In that case, a moderated group would have no use.

> One may not agree with him, think he is right, think he is beautiful, has an
> ATP, or speaks from any authority, but the discussions do (often) start out on
> topic.

But he ALWAYS ends up making it a flame fest, of meaningless dribble. That
would be reason to keep him eliminated, in my world.

> Bottom line is that success lies in getting enough of the right moderators.

Yes, and agreeing on the mandate of the group, and of who gets the boot, and a
million other procedural details.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans[_2_]

May 2nd 08, 10:00 PM

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> Denny schrieb:
>> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>> this group...
>> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>
> for a start don't use google-groups (but a real newsreader connecting to a
> real newsserver) and filter out any postings coming from there.

Agreed. Google groups is a place I avoid, and only go as a last resort.
--
Jim in NC

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 2nd 08, 11:55 PM

gregvk > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvft57$jpe$4
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> "Bill Denton" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "author's full name, residential address, telephone number, and IP
>>> address"
>>>
>>> I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.
>>>
>>> Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that information so
>>> they won't have to waste time crawling newsgroups to get it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Now that's thinking outside the box.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Rule #3 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the rules. Anyone
> who does will be banned and may be prosecuted for obstructing justice
> and/or disturbing the peace.
>
> Rule #4 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the authority of
> the Moderator or the Moderator's decisions and actions. Anyone who
> does will be banned and may be prosecuted for obstructing justice
> and/or disturbing the peace.
>

I'm liking the idea of this moderated group with me in charge better al
the time. Today rec.aviation.*.mod tomorrow the soc.* hirarchy!

Bertie

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

May 3rd 08, 12:12 AM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:56:13 GMT, Larry Dighera > wrote in >:

>There can be another issue with moderated discussion.

>I recall a law suit that ultimately resulted in AvWeb changing hands.
>It was over some inflammatory posting that the moderator(s) chose not
>to censor. It seems, that once censorship rears its head, the
>potential for legal recourse follows closely behind.....

I haven't heard of any cases of such lawsuits derived
from participation in a moderated Usenet newsgroup.

Usenet is not a website.

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

Jim Logajan

May 3rd 08, 12:30 AM

Denny > wrote:
> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
> this group...
> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...

Creating a moderated group such as rec.aviation.piloting.moderated or even
just rec.aviation.moderated does have some advantages and problems:

Advantages
1) The unmoderated groups would continue to exist for those who dislike or
object to their posts being vetted. They can't cry censorship simply
because they still have the same old groups.

2) If the moderated group dies or never gains traffic, the unmoderated
group still exists and again, no harm, no foul.

I'd be willing to help with the technical details and act as a co-moderator
should enough qualified co-moderators volunteer. I've written moderation
software that is currently being used for 5 moderated groups and is
designed to handle multiple co-moderators. It does require installing the
Python programming language onto a machine (either Linux or Windows) and
installing a GUI application onto the machines of the co-moderators.

There are essentially no technical problems to overcome. But...

Problems:

1) Decent coverage would require moderators to check in several times a
day, every day, for the life of the group. No time off for good behavior.

2) Finding decent moderators. Ones with the right mix of diplomatic skills
and the proper amount of humility. The ones who would approve a topical,
non-inflammatory post that they otherwise strongly disagree with and who
would reject a non-topical or inflammatory post they strongly agree with.

One aid to objectivity is having a way to limbo a post so it can be vetted
by multiple co-moderators. The software I wrote allows just that.

Dan Luke[_2_]

May 3rd 08, 12:44 AM

On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny wrote:

>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>this group...
>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...

Eh?

I'm surprised to hear a crotchety ol' conservative like you wishing
for more government! This is one of the last lawless frontiers left,
fer gawdsake.

It's usenet, Denny: make your own moderation. Wussies who can't hack
it can go elsewhere.

--
Dan
T182T at 4R4

Jim Logajan

May 3rd 08, 12:54 AM

Dan Luke > wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny wrote:
>
>>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>>this group...
>>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>
> Eh?
>
> I'm surprised to hear a crotchety ol' conservative like you wishing
> for more government! This is one of the last lawless frontiers left,
> fer gawdsake.

Amusing. On the off chance you are serious...

No government of any sort is involved or proposed. Indeed, if they can't
tax it they'll want nothing to do with Usenet moderation.

> It's usenet, Denny: make your own moderation. Wussies who can't hack
> it can go elsewhere.

The creation of a moderated group will in no way infringe on your right to
make a fool of yourself on this group. There already exist hundreds of
moderated groups and so far not one of them has stopped you from making
your absurd post. One more moderated group wont affect you.

No one is going to peel back your eyelids ala "A Clockwork Orange" and
force you to read a moderated group.

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 12:56 AM

Dan Luke > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny wrote:
>
>>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>>this group...
>>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>
> Eh?
>
> I'm surprised to hear a crotchety ol' conservative like you wishing
> for more government! This is one of the last lawless frontiers left,
> fer gawdsake.
>

Well, that's you out.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 01:01 AM

Jim Logajan > wrote in
:

> Dan Luke > wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny wrote:
>>
>>>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>>>this group...
>>>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>
>> Eh?
>>
>> I'm surprised to hear a crotchety ol' conservative like you wishing
>> for more government! This is one of the last lawless frontiers left,
>> fer gawdsake.
>
> Amusing. On the off chance you are serious...
>
> No government of any sort is involved or proposed. Indeed, if they
> can't tax it they'll want nothing to do with Usenet moderation.
>
>> It's usenet, Denny: make your own moderation. Wussies who can't hack
>> it can go elsewhere.
>
> The creation of a moderated group will in no way infringe on your
> right to make a fool of yourself on this group. There already exist
> hundreds of moderated groups and so far not one of them has stopped
> you from making your absurd post. One more moderated group wont affect
> you.
>
> No one is going to peel back your eyelids ala "A Clockwork Orange" and
> force you to read a moderated group.
>

But they would if they could.. They're everywhere doing everything.

Bertie

Mxsmanic

May 3rd 08, 01:13 AM

Larry Dighera writes:

> I recall a law suit that ultimately resulted in AvWeb changing hands.
> It was over some inflammatory posting that the moderator(s) chose not
> to censor. It seems, that once censorship rears its head, the
> potential for legal recourse follows closely behind.....

As soon as the host of a discussion forum exerts any editorial control over
the content, he becomes jointly responsible for that content, and can be sued
over a post, a deletion of a post, or allowing a post to stand, just like the
author of the post. This is a huge danger to moderating discussion forums,
and a good argument not to do it in many cases.

If a moderator limits deletions to things that he is legally required to
remove, he may escape some liability, but it's risky. In any other case, with
more extensive moderation, he risks being assigned full responsibility in any
litigation. And justifiably so, in most cases.

Mxsmanic

May 3rd 08, 01:13 AM

Martin X. Moleski, SJ writes:

> I haven't heard of any cases of such lawsuits derived
> from participation in a moderated Usenet newsgroup.

There's always a first time.

Mxsmanic

May 3rd 08, 01:14 AM

Morgans writes:

> But he ALWAYS ends up making it a flame fest, of meaningless dribble.

No, I don't make it anything. Other people do that. The distinction is
important. I can personally remain on topic indefinitely, and I'm always
civil.

Jim Logajan

May 3rd 08, 01:17 AM

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Jim Logajan > wrote:
>> No one is going to peel back your eyelids ala "A Clockwork Orange" and
>> force you to read a moderated group.
>
> But they would if they could..

Sure, but the topic here is how to filter out the flaming and the spams.

Part of my problem is knowing which of your posts are on topic and which
aren't. I mean, if you added an asterick or something to the subject line
when you post something aviation related in a long flame thread, that'd be
useful.

> They're everywhere doing everything.

I never get invited to those kinds of parties.

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 01:32 AM

Jim Logajan > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Jim Logajan > wrote:
>>> No one is going to peel back your eyelids ala "A Clockwork Orange"
>>> and force you to read a moderated group.
>>
>> But they would if they could..
>
> Sure, but the topic here is how to filter out the flaming and the
> spams.
>
> Part of my problem is knowing which of your posts are on topic and
> which aren't. I mean, if you added an asterick or something to the
> subject line when you post something aviation related in a long flame
> thread, that'd be useful.

just to lazy , i;m afraid! You coudl work your magic and just filter out
everythign I poast to Jay, Anthony Maxwell and buttboi, of course.

>
>> They're everywhere doing everything.
>
> I never get invited to those kinds of parties.
>

Don;'t worry "they" will get around to you.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 01:33 AM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Morgans writes:
>
>> But he ALWAYS ends up making it a flame fest, of meaningless dribble.
>
> No, I don't make it anything. Other people do that. The distinction is
> important. I can personally remain on topic indefinitely,

No you can't
and I'm always
> civil.
>
No, you arent.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 3rd 08, 01:36 AM

gregvk > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvg64t$jdv$1
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> gregvk > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvft57$jpe$4
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>> "Bill Denton" > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> "author's full name, residential address, telephone number, and IP
>>>>> address"
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that information
>>>>> so they won't have to waste time crawling newsgroups to get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now that's thinking outside the box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Rule #3 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the rules.
>>> Anyone who does will be banned and may be prosecuted for obstructing
>>> justice and/or disturbing the peace.
>>>
>>> Rule #4 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the authority of
>>> the Moderator or the Moderator's decisions and actions. Anyone who
>>> does will be banned and may be prosecuted for obstructing justice
>>> and/or disturbing the peace.
>>>
>>
>> I'm liking the idea of this moderated group with me in charge better
>> al the time. Today rec.aviation.*.mod tomorrow the soc.* hirarchy!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Rule #5 - You unconditionally agree that anything and everything you
> post or try to post, even if not approved by the Moderator, becomes
> the exclusive personal property of the Moderator for use in any way he
> chooses.
>

Well, that just goes without saying.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 01:36 AM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Martin X. Moleski, SJ writes:
>
>> I haven't heard of any cases of such lawsuits derived
>> from participation in a moderated Usenet newsgroup.
>
> There's always a first time.
>

And they may suffer pestilence and famine due to angry usenet gods

Bertie

Jim Logajan

May 3rd 08, 01:37 AM

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> As soon as the host of a discussion forum exerts any editorial control
> over the content, he becomes jointly responsible for that content, and
> can be sued over a post, a deletion of a post, or allowing a post to
> stand, just like the author of the post.

That statement contains assertions that are wrong, at least in regards to
U.S. law, as indicated in this article:

"Good news for discussion list moderators: The Ninth Circuit has held that
under 47 U.S.C. sec. 230, discussion group moderators are immune from
defamation liability for messages posted to their groups, if those messages
were originally written by other people (whether group members or not) and
then sent to the moderator to be forwarded to the group. This is true even
if the moderators manually let those messages go through, or even if they
manually posted them; and it's true even if the moderators are quite
selective in deciding which messages to post. Under traditional defamation
law, the moderators would be legally liable; but 47 U.S.C. sec. 230 limits
online defamation liability in certain circumstances, and the Ninth Circuit
held that this is one of those circumstances."

Quoted from:
http://www.efl-law.com/internet-libel.php

Jay Honeck[_2_]

May 3rd 08, 02:32 AM

>> But he ALWAYS ends up making it a flame fest, of meaningless dribble.

Disagree. Sadly, this group has sunk to the point where MX is now the
primary source of on-topic piloting topics.

I never would have thought it could come to that, but the trolls have chased
away a long list of truly outstanding regular posters. MX may speak only of
simulated piloting, but at least it's aviation.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Tina

May 3rd 08, 02:42 AM

Is my memory correct that the 9th Circuit is the one most often
reversed by the Supremes? If so I doubt I'd want to test those legal
waters until it's supported at the highest level.

That's especially true when the effort itself would be as a volunteer!
It's interesting that moderating is really what peer review is all
about, and I know of no professional journal that has been sued for
either publishing or not publishing a submitted article. Full
disclosure here, I have not researched that, but being active in that
wourd I suspect I'd have known, had it happened. Suing the medical
professions, after all, is great sport, is always in season, and
there is no bag limit.

On May 2, 8:37*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
> > As soon as the host of a discussion forum exerts any editorial control
> > over the content, he becomes jointly responsible for that content, and
> > can be sued over a post, a deletion of a post, or allowing a post to
> > stand, just like the author of the post.
>
> That statement contains assertions that are wrong, at least in regards to
> U.S. law, as indicated in this article:
>
> "Good news for discussion list moderators: The Ninth Circuit has held that
> under 47 U.S.C. sec. 230, discussion group moderators are immune from
> defamation liability for messages posted to their groups, if those messages
> were originally written by other people (whether group members or not) and
> then sent to the moderator to be forwarded to the group. This is true even
> if the moderators manually let those messages go through, or even if they
> manually posted them; and it's true even if the moderators are quite
> selective in deciding which messages to post. Under traditional defamation
> law, the moderators would be legally liable; but 47 U.S.C. sec. 230 limits
> online defamation liability in certain circumstances, and the Ninth Circuit
> held that this is one of those circumstances."
>
> Quoted from:http://www.efl-law.com/internet-libel.php

Larry Dighera

May 3rd 08, 03:20 AM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:37:15 -0500, Jim Logajan >
wrote in >:

>"Good news for discussion list moderators: The Ninth Circuit has held that
>under 47 U.S.C. sec. 230, discussion group moderators are immune fr

Research seems to confirm immunity:

http://www.techlawjournal.com/courts/zeran/47usc230.htm
(c) PROTECTION FOR `GOOD SAMARITAN' BLOCKING AND SCREENING OF
OFFENSIVE MATERIAL-

(1) TREATMENT OF PUBLISHER OR SPEAKER- No provider or user of an
interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or
speaker of any information provided by another information content
provider.

(2) CIVIL LIABILITY- No provider or user of an interactive computer
service shall be held liable on account of--

(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to
or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be
obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or
otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is
constitutionally protected; or

(B) any action taken to enable or make available to information
content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to
material described in paragraph (1).

http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm
Cyberspace Exceptionalism

47 USC 230 was enacted in 1996 during the height of "cyberspace
exceptionalism," the belief that the Internet was
unique/special/different and therefore should be regulated
differently. 47 USC 230 is a flagship example of such exceptionalism.
It creates rules that really differ between the online and offline
worlds, such that publishing content online may not create liability
where publishing the identical content offline would. The medium
matters.

Despite Congress’ obvious intent, the majority opinion bristles with
antipathy towards cyberspace exceptionalism. In numerous places, it
expresses skepticism that offline rules should not apply verbatim to
online behavior--even though that's exactly what 230 does in some
cases. Kozinski’s not the first judge to rankle at the policy
implications of Congress' cyberspace exceptionalism, but he may have
let this hostility override other analytical considerations.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/coa/newopinions.nsf/870C17829A420BDA882572DC0051EC26/$file/0456916.pdf?openelement
FOR PUBLICATION
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
Argued and Submitted
December 5, 2006—Pasadena, California
Filed May 15, 2007
....
Avoiding this broad interpretation of “information content
provider,” we held that immunity from “ ‘publisher’ liability
necessarily precludes liability for exercising the usual prerogative
of publishers to choose among proffered material and to
edit the material published while retaining its basic form and
message.” Id. at 1031. We noted that “[o]ther courts have
agreed that the exercise of a publisher’s traditional editorial
functions—such as deciding whether to publish, withdraw,
postpone or alter content do not transform an individual into
a content provider within the meaning of § 230.” Id. at 1031
n.18 (internal quotation marks omitted); see also Barrett v.
Rosenthal, 146 P.3d 510, 528 (Cal. 2006) (relying on Batzel
in reaching its conclusion that “[a] user who actively selects
and posts material based on its content fits well within the
traditional role of ‘publisher’ ” and that “Congress has exempted
that role from liability”). Although not expressly addressed by
our case law, a “publisher’s traditional editorial functions”
also include seeking out and specializing in a specific type of
publication, just as in Batzel, where the website operator operated
a website dedicated to a specific topic (museum security
and stolen art). Batzel did not suggest that this fact made the
operator an information content provider.

In sum, our binding precedent has already addressed the
question when a website operator has jointly created and
developed content so as to become an “information content
provider.” Unless a website operator directly provides “the
essential published content,” Carafano, 339 F.3d at 1124, it
is not an “information content provider.” The result is robust
immunity under section 230(c).

http://blog.internetcases.com/category/section-230/
No CDA immunity for adult-oriented Web site in right of publicity case
Tuesday, April 1st, 2008
Doe v. Friendfinder Network, Inc., — F.Supp.2d —-, No. 07-286, 2008 WL
803947 (D.N.H. March 28, 2008)

Plaintiff Doe learned that a nude image and some biographical
information about herself had been used to set up a bogus profile on
the adult-oriented personal-ad Web site Adult Friend Finder. She sued
the operator of the site alleging a number of claims, like defamation
and intentional infliction of emotional distress. She also alleged
misappropriation of her right of publicity under state law, and false
designation of origin and false advertising under the federal Lanham
Act.

Adult Friend Finder moved to dismiss the claims, arguing that the
Communications Decency Act (”CDA”) at 47 U.S.C. 230 immunized the site
from liability for the information provided by someone other than the
site operator. The court agreed with Adult Friend Finder as to the
majority of the claims, holding that the claims were barred by the CDA
where the plaintiff sought to impose liability on the site as the
publisher or speaker of the information.

But the court held that the CDA did not immunize Adult Friend Finder
from Doe’s state law claims for violation of the right of publicity,
or for violation of the federal Lanham Act.

Section 230(e)(2) provides that “[n]othing in this section shall be
construed to limit or expand any law pertaining to intellectual
property.” You may recall that last year the Ninth Circuit [in Perfect
10, Inc. v. CC Bill, LLC, 488 F.3d 1102 (9th Cir. 2007)] held that
230(e)(2)’s restriction on immunity only applied to federal claims
involving intellectual property (leaving state law claims barred).

The court in this case disagreed with the Ninth Circuit on this point,
looking at the plain language of the statute and finding no meaningful
distinction between state and federal causes of action involving
intellectual property, especially given the presence of the word “any”
when decribing “law[s] pertaining to intellectual property.”

http://www.cybertelecom.org/cda/samaritanref.htm

Cybertelecom
Federal Internet Law & Policy
An Educational Project

News
Craigslist Gets Seventh Circuit 230 Win in Fair Housing Act
Case--Chicago Lawyers' Committee v. Craigslist, Tech & Marketing Law
3/17/2008
7th Circuit rules in favor of Craigslist, Online Liability 3/17/2008
47 USC 230 Day at the Technology & Marketing Law Blog, Tech &
Marketing Law 3/13/2008
No Liability for Providing User-Selected Category Tags--Whitney v.
Xcentric, Tech & Marketing Law 2/19/2008
RipOffReport Litigation, Online Liability 1/22/2008
Should CDA Section 230 Immunity Depend Upon Site Design?, Tech Law
Update 1/10/2008
Goodale on CDA 230 and Anonymous Speech Online, Citizen Media Law
Project 12/11/2007
Lawyer sues again over Web site he says defamed him -, Pittsburgh
12/4/2007
Blogger Wins Lawsuit Over Gripe Post--BidZirk v. Smith, Tech &
Marketing Law 10/30/2007
"Immunity" not accurate description for 47 USC 230 protection,
Internet Cases 11/13/2007
More Defendants Lose 230 Defense, Technology & Marketing Law Blog
6/8/2007
Builder sues Web site and Google over posting, Newark Star 4/27/2007
California Court Expands Immunity for Bloggers, eWeek 11/21/2006
One week's time, two takes on Section 230 immunity, Internet Cases
11/21/2006
Calif. Supreme Courts upholds Internet free speech, Xinhuanet
11/21/2006
Websites not liable for posts by others, USA Today 11/21/2006
[Calirfornia] Supreme Court to review online speech case [230
liability], Tri Valley Herald 4/16/2004
Settlement Reached in Long-Running Internet Libel Case, eweek
11/16/2004
Dow Jones settles Net defamation suit, CNET 11/16/2004
Peter H. Lewis, After Apology From Prodigy, Firm Drops Suit, N.Y.
Times, Oct. 25, 1995 , at D1.

[email protected]

May 3rd 08, 04:30 AM

I moderate seven news groups and its not that bad. We welcome new
members to our group.
Please join us.

Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
See ya on Sport Aircraft group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/

> I don't know if you've ever been involved with a moded newsgroups I have
> and they usually die out at some point and it usually because of
> someones ego.

Le Chaud Lapin

May 3rd 08, 05:23 AM

On May 2, 6:30*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> 2) Finding decent moderators. Ones with the right mix of diplomatic skills
> and the proper amount of humility. The ones who would approve a topical,
> non-inflammatory post that they otherwise strongly disagree with and who
> would reject a non-topical or inflammatory post they strongly agree with.
>
> One aid to objectivity is having a way to limbo a post so it can be vetted
> by multiple co-moderators. The software I wrote allows just that.

Hmm...

One of my first posts to this group was essentially a re-examination
of whether backwash causes lift.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/thread/b85a49e900a0c791

There were numerous subsequent ad-hominem attacks by many licensed
pilots in this group, which, by definition, makes that post
inflammatory.

Under the rules you write above, would that post have been accepted or
rejected in a moderate group?

-Le Chaud Lapin-

Jim Logajan

May 3rd 08, 07:12 AM

Tina > wrote:
> Is my memory correct that the 9th Circuit is the one most often
> reversed by the Supremes? If so I doubt I'd want to test those legal
> waters until it's supported at the highest level.
>
> That's especially true when the effort itself would be as a volunteer!

This is getting absurd. It wouldn't have mattered if there had been no case
law. The simplest way to avoid the issue is for the moderators not to
approve anything potentially libelous. Those sorts of posts are easy to ID.

> It's interesting that moderating is really what peer review is all
> about, and I know of no professional journal that has been sued for
> either publishing or not publishing a submitted article.

Moderation isn't about peer-review though. Have nothing in common.

Jim Logajan

May 3rd 08, 07:18 AM

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 3rd 08, 08:35 AM

gregvk > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvgc20$4ai$2
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> gregvk > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvg64t$jdv$1
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>> gregvk > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvft57$jpe$4
>>>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill Denton" > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "author's full name, residential address, telephone number, and
>>>>>>> IP address"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that
>>>>>>> information so they won't have to waste time crawling newsgroups
>>>>>>> to get it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that's thinking outside the box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>> Rule #3 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the rules.
>>>>> Anyone who does will be banned and may be prosecuted for
>>>>> obstructing justice and/or disturbing the peace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rule #4 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the authority
>>>>> of the Moderator or the Moderator's decisions and actions. Anyone
>>>>> who does will be banned and may be prosecuted for obstructing
>>>>> justice and/or disturbing the peace.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm liking the idea of this moderated group with me in charge
>>>> better al the time. Today rec.aviation.*.mod tomorrow the soc.*
>>>> hirarchy!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Rule #5 - You unconditionally agree that anything and everything you
>>> post or try to post, even if not approved by the Moderator, becomes
>>> the exclusive personal property of the Moderator for use in any way
>>> he chooses.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that just goes without saying.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Rule #6 - If you have any post approved, the medieval concept of
> "right of the first night" applies to all the virgins in your extended
> family, applicable as soon as they reach the age of consent.
>

What about their beer?

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 08:38 AM

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:ogPSj.147228$yE1.52528@attbi_s21:

>>> But he ALWAYS ends up making it a flame fest, of meaningless
>>> dribble.
>
> Disagree. Sadly, this group has sunk to the point where MX is now the
> primary source of on-topic piloting topics.
>
> I never would have thought it could come to that, but the trolls have
> chased away a long list of truly outstanding regular posters. MX may
> speak only of simulated piloting, but at least it's aviation.

How woudl you know? Kill file on the blink again?

Bertie

Mxsmanic

May 3rd 08, 08:50 AM

Jim Logajan writes:

> That statement contains assertions that are wrong, at least in regards to
> U.S. law, as indicated in this article:

The Ninth Circuit's decision in Batzel vs. Cremers is merely a precedent, not
a law. The dissent raises many good points that can be put to use in
subsequent cases, although it does suffer from the specific inconsistency
pointed out in the majority opinion. I think it somewhat risky to presume
that unrestricted editing and censorship of material in a cyberspace
discussion forum may be carried out with complete impunity under 47 USC
§230(c), for various reasons that I shall not further expand upon here.

Mxsmanic

May 3rd 08, 08:52 AM

Jim Logajan writes:

> Moderation isn't about peer-review though. Have nothing in common.

They are very similar.

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 09:01 AM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Jim Logajan writes:
>
>> Moderation isn't about peer-review though. Have nothing in common.
>
> They are very similar.
>

Bwawhawhawhhahwhahwhahwhahwhhawhhahwhawhahhwhahw!

Bertie

Peter Dohm

May 3rd 08, 02:05 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> Martin X. Moleski, SJ writes:
>>
>>> I haven't heard of any cases of such lawsuits derived
>>> from participation in a moderated Usenet newsgroup.
>>
>> There's always a first time.
>>
>
> And they may suffer pestilence and famine due to angry usenet gods
>
>
>
>
> Bertie

Which does seem more probable. Which, in turn, is a good thing.

Peter

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 3rd 08, 02:38 PM

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:GpZSj.27789
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Martin X. Moleski, SJ writes:
>>>
>>>> I haven't heard of any cases of such lawsuits derived
>>>> from participation in a moderated Usenet newsgroup.
>>>
>>> There's always a first time.
>>>
>>
>> And they may suffer pestilence and famine due to angry usenet gods
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Which does seem more probable. Which, in turn, is a good thing.
>
> Peter
>
>
>

Having said that, there have been numerous cases of legal action down to
usenet postings. There was a skiing group years ago that got very ugly,
for instance. Legal action taken, real life bull****. Then there was Ed
Wollman who ended up commiting suicide over a flame war.. some of the
Asatru neo-nazis painted a swastika on someone's porch, the cops were
involved.

Usenet is brilliant!

Bertie

Maxwell[_2_]

May 3rd 08, 02:48 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> Having said that, there have been numerous cases of legal action down to
> usenet postings. There was a skiing group years ago that got very ugly,
> for instance. Legal action taken, real life bull****. Then there was Ed
> Wollman who ended up commiting suicide over a flame war.. some of the
> Asatru neo-nazis painted a swastika on someone's porch, the cops were
> involved.
>
> Usenet is brilliant!
>
>
> Bertie

Only in the mind of the socially handicapped, like you and your little
brother MX.

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 3rd 08, 02:53 PM

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:e3_Sj.69489$y05.36973
@newsfe22.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Having said that, there have been numerous cases of legal action down
to
>> usenet postings. There was a skiing group years ago that got very
ugly,
>> for instance. Legal action taken, real life bull****. Then there was
Ed
>> Wollman who ended up commiting suicide over a flame war.. some of the
>> Asatru neo-nazis painted a swastika on someone's porch, the cops were
>> involved.
>>
>> Usenet is brilliant!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Only in the mind of the socially handicapped, like you and your little
> brother MX.

And you're just here for the beer are you wannabe boi?

Bertie

Peter Dohm

May 3rd 08, 03:24 PM

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Tina > wrote:
>> Is my memory correct that the 9th Circuit is the one most often
>> reversed by the Supremes? If so I doubt I'd want to test those legal
>> waters until it's supported at the highest level.
>>
>> That's especially true when the effort itself would be as a volunteer!
>
> This is getting absurd. It wouldn't have mattered if there had been no
> case
> law. The simplest way to avoid the issue is for the moderators not to
> approve anything potentially libelous. Those sorts of posts are easy to
> ID.
>
>> It's interesting that moderating is really what peer review is all
>> about, and I know of no professional journal that has been sued for
>> either publishing or not publishing a submitted article.
>
> Moderation isn't about peer-review though. Have nothing in common.

In principle, I agree with your statement as written; but there are
problems:
1) "Moderation" is undefined and, although I have never been directly
involved with moderated newsgroups, I can think of several methods which
function differently.
2) "Peer" is undefined--and a very tempting topic of discussion. Suffice it
to say that, IMHO, "peer" tends to be narrowly defined in professional
peer-review and in selection for "juried" art exhibits; but broadly defined
in a lot of other areas. Remember that the different methods of
"moderation" interact with this.
3) "Standing" is a legal term and, since I am not a lawyer, I will just
presume that other readers understand the meaning in much the same way as I
do. It's another great area for discussion--on another group or, better
yet, at a cocktail party.
4) "Jurisdiction" is another legal term--with similar caveats to "Standing"
and possibly an even more entertaining discussion--properly fueled with
C2H5OH.
5) Work load in the courts--at least in parts of the U.S.A.

There is no question at all that some level of moderation could be a great
blessing for this group--even if it only prevented follow-up posts by one
especially notorious contributor of new threads. But, in the end,
moderation is a lot of mostly thankless work, a moderated group is a lot of
work to set up, and there is a much greater risk that the group will die off
rather quickly.

Maxwell[_2_]

May 3rd 08, 05:36 PM

"Denny" > wrote in message
...
> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
> this group...
> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>
> denny

If you look, you can probably a lot of aviation groups that are already
moderated, hence the problem with this group. We get all the problem
children not allowed elsewhere.

The problem is finding one with a moderator that is either unusually fair
and gifted. Very few people possess the attitude to make a good moderator.

You need someone with at least 10 years experience in the topic of the
group, and 10 years experience running a day care center.

Jim Logajan

May 3rd 08, 07:09 PM

Le Chaud Lapin > wrote:
> One of my first posts to this group was essentially a re-examination
> of whether backwash causes lift.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/thread/b85a49e900a0c791
>
> There were numerous subsequent ad-hominem attacks by many licensed
> pilots in this group, which, by definition, makes that post
> inflammatory.

Okay...

I took the trouble to review that thread up to a point, and could find
no ad-hominem attacks against you in the first 107 posts (in the order
given in that link). Some posters who I would loosely categorize as
"does not suffer fools gladly" such as perhaps Bertie, actually posted
useful followups (4, 9, 20, and 86, among others). There were attacks
against Mxsmanic, but that's an ongoing thing unrelated to your initial
post.

You didn't start getting personal nits until your post at 91 of that
thread in which you state "Let's face it. A large pecentage of people
walking this planet think there is a "suction" force."

That was essentially an attack on "a large percentage of people." If I
had been a co-moderator of a moderated piloting group with that thread,
I'd probably have approved your post 91 and Bertie's followup post at 92
because his "lost cause" statement was basically a statement about why
he'd not be trying to answer any further. But I might have included a
moderator warning of some sort.

The first real insult against you appears to be at post 108 by Bertie.
But it is response to post 107 by you in which you basically engaged in
a personal attack against two unnamed CFIs. Post 107 of yours was
borderline inflammatory - had you named names I'd have rejected it.

> Under the rules you write above, would that post have been accepted or
> rejected in a moderate group?

Other than the attacks on Mxsmanic, I saw lots of reasoned posts
directed in response to your post and from you in at least the first
100+ posts. People appear to have put a lot of effort into their
responses but you insisted on both claiming in need of some intuitive
understanding on one hand but on the other hand claimed to already
know all the physics and intuitively knew what was going on.
(A confusing mix of hubris and humility.)

Basically you appear to have been claiming knowledge and understanding
on one hand but claiming you needed help in gaining that very same
knowledge and understanding on the other. That in summary is possibly
why you were eventually pegged a troll and then personally attacked.

Dan Luke[_2_]

May 3rd 08, 11:07 PM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 18:54:53 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:

>Dan Luke > wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny wrote:
>>
>>>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>>>this group...
>>>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>
>> Eh?
>>
>> I'm surprised to hear a crotchety ol' conservative like you wishing
>> for more government! This is one of the last lawless frontiers left,
>> fer gawdsake.
>
>Amusing. On the off chance you are serious...
>
>No government of any sort is involved or proposed. Indeed, if they can't
>tax it they'll want nothing to do with Usenet moderation.

Don't be such a dope, Logajan. I'm using the term metaphorically.

>
>> It's usenet, Denny: make your own moderation. Wussies who can't hack
>> it can go elsewhere.
>
>The creation of a moderated group will in no way infringe on your right to
>make a fool of yourself on this group. There already exist hundreds of
>moderated groups and so far not one of them has stopped you from making
>your absurd post. One more moderated group wont affect you.
>
>No one is going to peel back your eyelids ala "A Clockwork Orange" and
>force you to read a moderated group.

What's got into you?

Are you on pain medication or something?

Dan Luke[_2_]

May 3rd 08, 11:08 PM

On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:56:54 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

>Dan Luke > wrote in
:
>
>> On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny wrote:
>>
>>>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>>>this group...
>>>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>
>> Eh?
>>
>> I'm surprised to hear a crotchety ol' conservative like you wishing
>> for more government! This is one of the last lawless frontiers left,
>> fer gawdsake.
>>
>
>Well, that's you out.
>
>Bertie

Eh?

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 4th 08, 06:14 AM

Dan Luke > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:56:54 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>>Dan Luke > wrote in
:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny wrote:
>>>
>>>>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>>>>this group...
>>>>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>>
>>> Eh?
>>>
>>> I'm surprised to hear a crotchety ol' conservative like you wishing
>>> for more government! This is one of the last lawless frontiers
left,
>>> fer gawdsake.
>>>
>>
>>Well, that's you out.
>>
>>Bertie
>
> Eh?
>

Of the new moderated group.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 4th 08, 06:16 AM

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Denny" > wrote in message
> news:1fc904ff-528a-4ba3-9b0b-
.
> ..
>> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>> this group...
>> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>
>> denny
>
> If you look, you can probably a lot of aviation groups that are
> already moderated, hence the problem with this group. We get all the
> problem children not allowed elsewhere.
>

I'm allowed anywhere. and in fact poast frequently in some of them.

> The problem is finding one with a moderator that is either unusually
> fair and gifted. Very few people possess the attitude to make a good
> moderator.
>
> You need someone with at least 10 years experience in the topic of the
> group, and 10 years experience running a day care center.

Snort!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 4th 08, 06:17 AM

gregvk > wrote in news:Xns9A936A705F761E817AC3D8380227
@127.0.0.1:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvh4j3$58c$1
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>> gregvk > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvgc20$4ai$2
>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>>> gregvk > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvg64t$jdv$1
>>>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> gregvk > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvft57$jpe$4
>>>>>>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bill Denton" > wrote in
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "author's full name, residential address, telephone number,
and
>>>>>>>>> IP address"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that
>>>>>>>>> information so they won't have to waste time crawling
newsgroups
>>>>>>>>> to get it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that's thinking outside the box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rule #3 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the rules.
>>>>>>> Anyone who does will be banned and may be prosecuted for
>>>>>>> obstructing justice and/or disturbing the peace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rule #4 - Nobody may question, challenge or discuss the
authority
>>>>>>> of the Moderator or the Moderator's decisions and actions.
Anyone
>>>>>>> who does will be banned and may be prosecuted for obstructing
>>>>>>> justice and/or disturbing the peace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm liking the idea of this moderated group with me in charge
>>>>>> better al the time. Today rec.aviation.*.mod tomorrow the soc.*
>>>>>> hirarchy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>> Rule #5 - You unconditionally agree that anything and everything
you
>>>>> post or try to post, even if not approved by the Moderator,
becomes
>>>>> the exclusive personal property of the Moderator for use in any
way
>>>>> he chooses.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, that just goes without saying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Rule #6 - If you have any post approved, the medieval concept of
>>> "right of the first night" applies to all the virgins in your
extended
>>> family, applicable as soon as they reach the age of consent.
>>>
>>
>> What about their beer?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Oh yeah, you might need "beer goggles" for the ugly ones. But let's
> generalize the rule to allow for wine, whiskey, bourbon, etc.
>
> Rule #6a - You must supply commerically prepared, legally acquired
> beverages containing not less than 5% alcohol by volume to the
Moderator
> if any such virgin is physically unattractive, mentally unstable, foul
> smelling, or otherwise unappealing. The Moderator reserves the right
to
> specify the type and quantity of the beverages.
>

Thenkew.

You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule the
world.

Bertie

Le Chaud Lapin

May 4th 08, 08:14 AM

On May 3, 1:09*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Le Chaud Lapin > wrote:
>
> > One of my first posts to this group was essentially a re-examination
> > of whether backwash causes lift.
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/threa...
>
> > There were numerous subsequent ad-hominem attacks by many licensed
> > pilots in this group, which, by definition, makes that post
> > inflammatory.
>
> Okay...
>
> I took the trouble to review that thread up to a point, and could find
> no ad-hominem attacks against you in the first 107 posts (in the order
> given in that link). Some posters who I would loosely categorize as
> "does not suffer fools gladly" such as perhaps Bertie, actually posted
> useful followups (4, 9, 20, and 86, among others). There were attacks
> against Mxsmanic, but that's an ongoing thing unrelated to your initial
> post.

We must be looking at different threads. I see numerous personal
attacks.

> You didn't start getting personal nits until your post at 91 of that
> thread in which you state "Let's face it. A large pecentage of people
> walking this planet think there is a "suction" force."

This is true. It is not meant as an insult, and many of the people
who think there is a suction force do not see what the big deal is
until after they have learned, not from me, but from someone whose
opinion they trust, that indeed, there is no suction force, so it can
hardly be seen as a personal attack against them, because they do not
yet know that what they think is incorrect. In any case, it is not
meant to be a personal attack, but simply an illustration that what
people perceive is not necessarily what is actually happening.

> That was essentially an attack on "a large percentage of people." If I
> had been a co-moderator of a moderated piloting group with that thread,
> I'd probably have approved your post 91 and Bertie's followup post at 92
> because his "lost cause" statement was basically a statement about why
> he'd not be trying to answer any further. But I might have included a
> moderator warning of some sort.

We obviously have a difference in opinion here. I see multiple attacks
from multiple people early in the discussion.

> The first real insult against you appears to be at post 108 by Bertie.
> But it is response to post 107 by you in which you basically engaged in
> a personal attack against two unnamed CFIs. Post 107 of yours was
> borderline inflammatory - had you named names I'd have rejected it.

Those were not attacks against the CFI's. Those CFI's never read this
group. Secondly, stating that at CFI does not know the physical basis
of 29.92 is not necessarily a personal attack. What does it mean to
not know? It simply means that that CFI does not know.

When I grade exams in computer science, and I give someone a sub-par
grade because it is apparent that they do not understand, is that a
personal attack? Should I write, "You're getting a C-. Please don't
take it personally....I'm not attacking you, it's just that it is
clear that you do not understand...." on every exam?

I think a bit of objectivity is in order. Calling someone names using
expletives, or calling them dumb, or saying, "No way in hell are you
an engineer..." those are personal attacks. Stating that a CFI does
not know the physical significance of 29.92, who, by the way, readily
and voluntarily admitted that he did not know, is not personal attack
at all, IMO. It's a simple fact. Since you broached the subject, I
actually had more respect for him after he admitted not knowing than I
would have had for someone pretending to know.

> > Under the rules you write above, would that post have been accepted or
> > rejected in a moderate group?
>
> Other than the attacks on Mxsmanic, I saw lots of reasoned posts
> directed in response to your post and from you in at least the first
> 100+ posts. People appear to have put a lot of effort into their
> responses but you insisted on both claiming in need of some intuitive
> understanding on one hand but on the other hand claimed to already
> know all the physics and intuitively knew what was going on.
> (A confusing mix of hubris and humility.)

I saw a few reasoned responses, and many ad hominem attacks, more of
the latter than the former, the entire thread considered. For example,
you mention, "Other than the attacks on Mxsmanic"...but if you read
the thread, you will see numerous claims that Mxsmanic and I were
being declared to the the same person, with insults directed at both
of us.

> Basically you appear to have been claiming knowledge and understanding
> on one hand but claiming you needed help in gaining that very same
> knowledge and understanding on the other. That in summary is possibly
> why you were eventually pegged a troll and then personally attacked.

So...you are saying I was attacked or not? It cannot be both.

Also, I viewed that thread as a discussion, not a request for
knowledge. Wikipedia is ominpresent. I have CFI's available. I have
my Jepp books. I have FAA web site. There are university online
resources. I have the bookstore. Sources of knowledge is readily
available.

What I expressed was my own opinion about backwash and lift, which
conflicted, at the very least, with the idea that the basics of lift
were already well-understood by pilots.

I think that the people who attacked me were unnerved by the idea that
something that they were supposed to have learned and understood was
being revisited by someone not possessing a pilot's license.

In any case, if the discussion had pertained to things I do know
about, like electronics, chemistry, or computers...the last thing I
would have done was personally attack the poster.

I do not think that is necessary. For any reason.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

Maxwell[_2_]

May 4th 08, 05:18 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule the
> world.
>
>
> Bertie

Yeah air head, that's on topic.

Denny

May 4th 08, 05:32 PM

Well, I have been busy and in my absence the usual thread drift has
happened on schedule as expected...

Anyway, I was not thinking of the moderator doing anything special but
blocking the spammers - the porn ads, the fake rolex's, etc...
As far as the 3 year olds on here throwing spit balls at each other, I
ignore that...

denny

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 4th 08, 06:48 PM

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
@newsfe17.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule the
>> world.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Yeah air head, that's on topic.

Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 4th 08, 06:49 PM

Denny > wrote in news:603842d4-ba57-4921-8d53-
:

> Well, I have been busy and in my absence the usual thread drift has
> happened on schedule as expected...
>
> Anyway, I was not thinking of the moderator doing anything special but
> blocking the spammers - the porn ads, the fake rolex's, etc...
> As far as the 3 year olds on here throwing spit balls at each other, I
> ignore that...
>

Just as well. You're very wise. I have little time for that nonsense.

Bertie

Martin Hotze[_2_]

May 4th 08, 07:51 PM

Denny schrieb:
> the porn ads, the fake rolex's, etc...

well, you ONLY use a web based usenet gateway (googlegroups), which is
bad (and the quote of <censored> using it is rising and makes it a more
and more viable solution to just filter any and all postings coming from
googlegroups).

here[tm] I don't see what you mentioned above.

#m

skym

May 4th 08, 08:39 PM

On May 3, 1:50*am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> The Ninth Circuit's decision in Batzel vs. Cremers is merely a precedent, not
> a law. *

Actually, it is law...in the Ninth Circuit. It is binding in the
federal courts in that Circuit, just the same as a statute. It is
called "common law."

skym

May 4th 08, 08:43 PM

On May 2, 7:32*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
*Sadly, this group has sunk to the point where MX is now the
> primary source of on-topic piloting topics.
>
> I never would have thought it could come to that, but the trolls have chased
> away a long list of truly outstanding regular posters. *MX may speak only of
> simulated piloting, but at least it's aviation.

I agree, Jay. BTB is the best argument for a moderated group. MX may
not be a pilot, but his queries are often good topic starters until
the usual flame throwers show up. Watch and see.

Chairman Cow

May 4th 08, 08:46 PM

In article >, Bertie the
Bunyip says...

> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
> @newsfe17.lga:
>
> >
> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule the
> >> world.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>
>
> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.

Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 4th 08, 09:06 PM

Chairman Cow > wrote in
:

> In article >, Bertie the
> Bunyip says...
>
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
>> @newsfe17.lga:
>>
>> >
>> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule
the
>> >> world.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bertie
>> >
>> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>>
>>
>> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>
> Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>

Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 4th 08, 09:11 PM

skym > wrote in
:

> On May 2, 7:32*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> *Sadly, this group has sunk to the point where MX is now the
>> primary source of on-topic piloting topics.
>>
>> I never would have thought it could come to that, but the trolls have
>> chas
> ed
>> away a long list of truly outstanding regular posters. *MX may speak
>> onl
> y of
>> simulated piloting, but at least it's aviation.
>
> I agree, Jay. BTB is the best argument for a moderated group. MX may
> not be a pilot, but his queries are often good topic starters until
> the usual flame throwers show up. Watch and see.

Moi? flames?

Certainly not.

Small "t" in BtB BTW.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

May 4th 08, 09:13 PM

skym > wrote in
:

> On May 2, 7:32*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> *Sadly, this group has sunk to the point where MX is now the
>> primary source of on-topic piloting topics.
>>
>> I never would have thought it could come to that, but the trolls have
>> chas
> ed
>> away a long list of truly outstanding regular posters. *MX may speak
>> onl
> y of
>> simulated piloting, but at least it's aviation.
>
> I agree, Jay. BTB is the best argument for a moderated group. MX may
> not be a pilot, but his queries are often good topic starters until
> the usual flame throwers show up. Watch and see.
>

And, BTW< moderation does little to slow me down. I managed to bring an
issue before a national parliament about a year ago via a moderated
forum and some even more reprehensible techniques than I'd ever use
here.

Bertie

Peter Dohm

May 4th 08, 09:25 PM

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ogPSj.147228$yE1.52528@attbi_s21...
>>> But he ALWAYS ends up making it a flame fest, of meaningless dribble.
>
> Disagree. Sadly, this group has sunk to the point where MX is now the
> primary source of on-topic piloting topics.
>
> I never would have thought it could come to that, but the trolls have
> chased away a long list of truly outstanding regular posters. MX may
> speak only of simulated piloting, but at least it's aviation.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
There is just no way that I am going to actually conduct a rigorous
statistical analysis, but casual observation strongly suggests that MX also
remains the primary source and catalist for off-topic posts. There are
others, from time to time; but they lack his long term tenacity.

As mentioned earlier, I am not an advocate of moderated groups and just two
of my reasons are that I would not want the job and also that I am convinced
that a tired moderator could quickly become worse than non at all. But I
must admit that the much could be gained.

As always, YMMV
Peter

clint

May 5th 08, 08:32 AM

asshole below probably Flyboi!
Jim Logajan pretended :
> The creation of a moderated group will in no way infringe on your right to
> make a fool of yourself on this group. There already exist hundreds of
> moderated groups and so far not one of them has stopped you from making
> your absurd post. One more moderated group wont affect you.

> No one is going to peel back your eyelids ala "A Clockwork Orange" and
> force you to read a moderated group.

Mxsmanic

May 5th 08, 12:55 PM

skym writes:

> Actually, it is law...in the Ninth Circuit. It is binding in the
> federal courts in that Circuit, just the same as a statute.

Since no two cases are the same, it can never be completely binding.

Mxsmanic

May 5th 08, 12:56 PM

Peter Dohm writes:

> There is just no way that I am going to actually conduct a rigorous
> statistical analysis, but casual observation strongly suggests that MX also
> remains the primary source and catalist for off-topic posts.

So you're essentially guessing, with a bias.

Mxsmanic

May 5th 08, 12:58 PM

gregvk writes:

> That's the trouble with kids today -- they don't
> have essential skills like tooling leather or baking cookies or slopping
> the hogs. Then they get out into the Real World and they're totally
> useless.

I agree that they need more practical skills, but I'm not sure that baking
cookies, feeding hogs, or tooling leather are in that category.

Chairman Cow

May 5th 08, 01:23 PM

In article >, Mxsmanic
says...

> gregvk writes:
>
> > That's the trouble with kids today -- they don't
> > have essential skills like tooling leather or baking cookies or slopping
> > the hogs. Then they get out into the Real World and they're totally
> > useless.
>
> I agree that they need more practical skills, but I'm not sure that baking
> cookies, feeding hogs, or tooling leather are in that category.

Given the way the economy is going, I suspect subsistance farming might
be a life-saving skill in the not-too-distant future.

That, and knowing how to shoot straight.

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Chairman Cow

May 5th 08, 01:23 PM

In article >, Bertie the
Bunyip says...

> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article >, Bertie the
> > Bunyip says...
> >
> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
> >> @newsfe17.lga:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule
> the
> >> >> world.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Bertie
> >> >
> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >>
> >>
> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >
> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >
>
> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.

And turn it into an organic co-operative?

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Bertie the Bunyip

May 5th 08, 03:01 PM

On May 5, 1:16*am, gregvk > wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvl4vu$rk0$3
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
> :
>
> >> In article >, Bertie the
> >> Bunyip says...
>
> >>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
> >>> @newsfe17.lga:
>
> >>> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
>
> >>> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule
> > the
> >>> >> world.
>
> >>> >> Bertie
>
> >>> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>
> >>> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>
> >> Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>
> > Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>
> > Bertie
>
> Good idea. *Teach those brats the value of properly raising a prize pig or
> an award winning goat. *That's the trouble with kids today -- they don't
> have essential skills like tooling leather or baking cookies or slopping
> the hogs. *Then they get out into the Real World and they're totally
> useless.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good point, though i was thinking I could make an internet fortune on
getting pics of okies cornholing cows.

Bertie

Onideus Mad Hatter

May 5th 08, 06:34 PM

On 05 May 2008 15:51:36 GMT, gregvk > wrote:

>Mxsmanic > wrote in
:
>
>> gregvk writes:
>>
>>> That's the trouble with kids today -- they don't
>>> have essential skills like tooling leather or baking cookies or
>>> slopping the hogs. Then they get out into the Real World and they're
>>> totally useless.
>>
>> I agree that they need more practical skills, but I'm not sure that
>> baking cookies, feeding hogs, or tooling leather are in that category.
>
>Many of those skills are transferable. For instance, a teenage girl who
>learns how to castrate a goat will necessarily develop the mindset
>necessary to become a successful businesswoman in a field dominated by men.
>If you're comfortable ripping a billygoat's balls off at 18yo, then you'll
>have no qualms about ruining people's lives at 30yo. (Especially men's
>lives.)

Who was it that castrated you, Greggie?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"Don't ever **** with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Benjamin Dover

May 5th 08, 08:16 PM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> skym writes:
>
>> Actually, it is law...in the Ninth Circuit. It is binding in the
>> federal courts in that Circuit, just the same as a statute.
>
> Since no two cases are the same, it can never be completely binding.

Where did you get that from, Microsoft Law Simulator?

Benjamin Dover

May 5th 08, 08:17 PM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Peter Dohm writes:
>
>> There is just no way that I am going to actually conduct a rigorous
>> statistical analysis, but casual observation strongly suggests that
>> MX also remains the primary source and catalist for off-topic posts.
>
> So you're essentially guessing, with a bias.

No, he can read. You don't know **** from shinola.

Benjamin Dover

May 5th 08, 08:19 PM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> gregvk writes:
>
>> That's the trouble with kids today -- they don't
>> have essential skills like tooling leather or baking cookies or
>> slopping the hogs. Then they get out into the Real World and they're
>> totally useless.
>
> I agree that they need more practical skills, but I'm not sure that
> baking cookies, feeding hogs, or tooling leather are in that category.
>

If you and any essential skills, you wouldn't be holed up in some flop in
Paris playing MSFS all day. You might actually be able to earn enough so
you wouldn't need to depend on handouts. But, you're too ****ing stupid.
You don't know **** from shinola.

Onideus Mad Hatter

May 5th 08, 08:31 PM

On 05 May 2008 17:07:44 GMT, gregvk > wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter > wrote in
:
>
>> On 05 May 2008 15:51:36 GMT, gregvk > wrote:
>>
>>>Mxsmanic > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>> gregvk writes:
>>>>
>>>>> That's the trouble with kids today -- they don't
>>>>> have essential skills like tooling leather or baking cookies or
>>>>> slopping the hogs. Then they get out into the Real World and
>>>>> they're totally useless.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that they need more practical skills, but I'm not sure that
>>>> baking cookies, feeding hogs, or tooling leather are in that
>>>> category.
>>>
>>>Many of those skills are transferable. For instance, a teenage girl
>>>who learns how to castrate a goat will necessarily develop the mindset
>>>necessary to become a successful businesswoman in a field dominated by
>>>men. If you're comfortable ripping a billygoat's balls off at 18yo,
>>>then you'll have no qualms about ruining people's lives at 30yo.
>>>(Especially men's lives.)
>>
>> Who was it that castrated me, Greggie?
>
>You're a p<COCK SLAP>

My, my, somebody sure is butthurtz over his castration.

Hey Pampers...my last client had six Emmy awards under their
belt...how many did your last client have? Oh, that's right, you
don't actually work, you live at home with mommy and daddy where
you're Pampered (literarily) and they use the Internet as your
babysitter. *nods*

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"Don't ever **** with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter

May 5th 08, 09:20 PM

On 05 May 2008 18:59:29 GMT, gregvk > wrote:

>Spa<COCK SLAP>

And that's the THIRD time you've sucked my cock today. My, my, you
REALLY just can't get enough, can you?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"Don't ever **** with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Chairman Cow

May 6th 08, 02:42 PM

In article <b4b092d3-a7f1-4785-a373-
>, Bertie the Bunyip says...

> On May 5, 1:16*am, gregvk > wrote:
> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:fvl4vu$rk0$3
> > @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Chairman Cow > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > >> In article >, Bertie the
> > >> Bunyip says...
> >
> > >>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
> > >>> @newsfe17.lga:
> >
> > >>> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > >>> ...
> >
> > >>> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I rule
> > > the
> > >>> >> world.
> >
> > >>> >> Bertie
> >
> > >>> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >
> > >>> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >
> > >> Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >
> > > Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> >
> > > Bertie
> >
> > Good idea. *Teach those brats the value of properly raising a prize pig or
> > an award winning goat. *That's the trouble with kids today -- they don't
> > have essential skills like tooling leather or baking cookies or slopping
> > the hogs. *Then they get out into the Real World and they're totally
> > useless.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Good point, though i was thinking I could make an internet fortune on
> getting pics of okies cornholing cows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJBbtkBMMs

Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

[email protected]

May 6th 08, 02:50 PM

On May 4, 12:49 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Denny > wrote in news:603842d4-ba57-4921-8d53-
> :
>
> > Well, I have been busy and in my absence the usual thread drift has
> > happened on schedule as expected...
>
> > Anyway, I was not thinking of the moderator doing anything special but
> > blocking the spammers - the porn ads, the fake rolex's, etc...
> > As far as the 3 year olds on here throwing spit balls at each other, I
> > ignore that...
>
> Just as well. You're very wise. I have little time for that nonsense.
>
> Bertie

You don't like spitballs throwing 3-year olds at each other?

What's next, banning dwarf tossing?

Mxsmanic

May 6th 08, 09:04 PM

Benjamin Dover writes:

> Where did you get that from, Microsoft Law Simulator?

From law studies.

Benjamin Dover

May 6th 08, 10:06 PM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Benjamin Dover writes:
>
>> Where did you get that from, Microsoft Law Simulator?
>
> From law studies.
>

Sticking your head up your ass isn't studying, you ****ing nitwit.

Gig 601Xl Builder

May 6th 08, 11:03 PM

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Benjamin Dover writes:
>
>> Where did you get that from, Microsoft Law Simulator?
>
> From law studies.

Watching The Peoples Court isn't law studies.

Peter Clark

May 6th 08, 11:36 PM

On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:03:33 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
> wrote:

>Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Benjamin Dover writes:
>>
>>> Where did you get that from, Microsoft Law Simulator?
>>
>> From law studies.
>
>Watching The Peoples Court isn't law studies.

Peoples Court is Plato compared to what he likely usually watches.
Judge Judy is about his level.

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 7th 08, 06:55 AM

wrote in news:758ac005-73e1-4d83-9d89-
:

> On May 4, 12:49 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Denny > wrote in news:603842d4-ba57-4921-8d53-
>> :
>>
>> > Well, I have been busy and in my absence the usual thread drift has
>> > happened on schedule as expected...
>>
>> > Anyway, I was not thinking of the moderator doing anything special
but
>> > blocking the spammers - the porn ads, the fake rolex's, etc...
>> > As far as the 3 year olds on here throwing spit balls at each
other, I
>> > ignore that...
>>
>> Just as well. You're very wise. I have little time for that nonsense.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You don't like spitballs throwing 3-year olds at each other?
>
> What's next, banning dwarf tossing?
>

Well, until it;s organised into a proper sport with Bud sponsership,
yes, i think it should be.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 7th 08, 06:56 AM

Chairman Cow > wrote in
:

> In article >, Bertie the
> Bunyip says...
>
>> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > In article >, Bertie the
>> > Bunyip says...
>> >
>> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
>> >> @newsfe17.lga:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I
rule
>> the
>> >> >> world.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >
>> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>> >
>> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>> >
>>
>> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>
> And turn it into an organic co-operative?

I was actually thinking more along the lines of that cow/cornholing
thing and big internet bucs.

Bertie

Chairman Cow

May 7th 08, 02:28 PM

In article >, Bertie the
Bunyip says...

> wrote in news:758ac005-73e1-4d83-9d89-
> :
>
> > On May 4, 12:49 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> Denny > wrote in news:603842d4-ba57-4921-8d53-
> >> :
> >>
> >> > Well, I have been busy and in my absence the usual thread drift has
> >> > happened on schedule as expected...
> >>
> >> > Anyway, I was not thinking of the moderator doing anything special
> but
> >> > blocking the spammers - the porn ads, the fake rolex's, etc...
> >> > As far as the 3 year olds on here throwing spit balls at each
> other, I
> >> > ignore that...
> >>
> >> Just as well. You're very wise. I have little time for that nonsense.
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > You don't like spitballs throwing 3-year olds at each other?
> >
> > What's next, banning dwarf tossing?
> >
>
> Well, until it;s organised into a proper sport with Bud sponsership,
> yes, i think it should be.

Any thoughts on who would be suitable as a referee?

Little Dougie always struck me as level-headed. For a njazi.

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Chairman Cow

May 7th 08, 02:31 PM

In article >, Bertie the
Bunyip says...

> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article >, Bertie the
> > Bunyip says...
> >
> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >> > In article >, Bertie the
> >> > Bunyip says...
> >> >
> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
> >> >> @newsfe17.lga:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I
> rule
> >> the
> >> >> >> world.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >> >
> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> >
> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
>
>
> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that cow/cornholing
> thing and big internet bucs.

Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.

Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 7th 08, 05:42 PM

Chairman Cow > wrote in
:

> In article >, Bertie the
> Bunyip says...
>
>> wrote in news:758ac005-73e1-4d83-9d89-
>> :
>>
>> > On May 4, 12:49 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> Denny > wrote in news:603842d4-ba57-4921-8d53-
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> > Well, I have been busy and in my absence the usual thread drift
has
>> >> > happened on schedule as expected...
>> >>
>> >> > Anyway, I was not thinking of the moderator doing anything
special
>> but
>> >> > blocking the spammers - the porn ads, the fake rolex's, etc...
>> >> > As far as the 3 year olds on here throwing spit balls at each
>> other, I
>> >> > ignore that...
>> >>
>> >> Just as well. You're very wise. I have little time for that
nonsense.
>> >>
>> >> Bertie
>> >
>> > You don't like spitballs throwing 3-year olds at each other?
>> >
>> > What's next, banning dwarf tossing?
>> >
>>
>> Well, until it;s organised into a proper sport with Bud sponsership,
>> yes, i think it should be.
>
> Any thoughts on who would be suitable as a referee?

Not really.
>
> Little Dougie always struck me as level-headed. For a njazi.
>

Didn't he used to play Squiggie in Laverne and Shirley?

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 7th 08, 05:42 PM

Chairman Cow

May 9th 08, 01:26 PM

Wolf 253

May 9th 08, 04:47 PM

On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
Chairman Cow > wrote:

> In article >, Bertie the
> Bunyip says...
>
> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > > In article >, Bertie the
> > > Bunyip says...
> > >
> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> > >> :
> > >>
> > >> > In article >, Bertie the
> > >> > Bunyip says...
> > >> >
> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> > >> >> :
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > In article >, Bertie
> > >> >> > the Bunyip says...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668
> > >> >> >> @newsfe17.lga:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > >> >> >> > ...
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet when I
> > >> rule
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> world.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> > >> >
> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that cow/cornholing
> > >> thing and big internet bucs.
> > >
> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
> > >
> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >
> > In cud, presumably.
>
> Or how about this:
> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing Okies!
>
> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>
http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg

He's a "bottom"?

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 9th 08, 06:28 PM

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 9th 08, 06:29 PM

Wolf 253 > wrote in
news:20080509084751.0f01b871@vector:

> On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
> Chairman Cow > wrote:
>
>> In article >, Bertie the
>> Bunyip says...
>>
>> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> > :
>> >
>> > > In article >, Bertie
>> > > the Bunyip says...
>> > >
>> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> > >> :
>> > >>
>> > >> > In article >,
>> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> > >> >> :
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > In article >,
>> > >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>> > >> >> >> news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668 @newsfe17.lga:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> > >> >> >> > ...
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet
>> > >> >> >> >> when I
>> > >> rule
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> >> >> world.
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
>> > >> cow/cornholing thing and big internet bucs.
>> > >
>> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
>> > >
>> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >
>> > In cud, presumably.
>>
>> Or how about this:
>> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing Okies!
>>
>> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>>
> http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>
> He's a "bottom"?
>
>

well, that's an image I could have done without..

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 9th 08, 06:42 PM

gregvk > wrote in news:Xns9A997742B1893E817AC3D8380227
@127.0.0.1:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:g021ma$6jq$5
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>>>
>>> He's a "bottom"?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> well, that's an image I could have done without..
>>
>> Bertie
>
> LOL! It's teh funnay because "botton" is slang for a homosexual man
who
> likes to have another man's erect penis placed inside his rectum!
>

Oh! now I get it!

Bertie

Maxwell[_2_]

May 9th 08, 08:37 PM

>> http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg

You must be very proud Bertie Buttlick.

We have only you to thank for polluting RAP with this kind of trash, and the
people that promote it. Great job.

I hope the next time ANYONE posts a serious response to any of your lame as
posts, they realize they are encouraging this kind of ****.

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 9th 08, 08:39 PM

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
>>> http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>
> You must be very proud Bertie Buttlick.

Oh please, you;re too modest.
>
> We have only you to thank for polluting RAP with this kind of trash,
> and the people that promote it. Great job.
>
> I hope the next time ANYONE posts a serious response to any of your
> lame as posts, they realize they are encouraging this kind of ****.
>
>
>
>
>

Apparently, they don't.

Bertie

Daedalus

May 9th 08, 08:49 PM

On Fri, 9 May 2008 19:39:00 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:
>
>>
>>>> http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>>
>> You must be very proud Bertie Buttlick.
>
>Oh please, you;re too modest.
>>
>> We have only you to thank for polluting RAP with this kind of trash,
>> and the people that promote it. Great job.
>>
>> I hope the next time ANYONE posts a serious response to any of your
>> lame as posts, they realize they are encouraging this kind of ****.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Apparently, they don't.
>
>
>
>Bertie

You're famous!!!!

Yay, Bertie!

Jade

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 9th 08, 08:50 PM

Daedalus > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 9 May 2008 19:39:00 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:
>>
>>>
>>>>> http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>>>
>>> You must be very proud Bertie Buttlick.
>>
>>Oh please, you;re too modest.
>>>
>>> We have only you to thank for polluting RAP with this kind of trash,
>>> and the people that promote it. Great job.
>>>
>>> I hope the next time ANYONE posts a serious response to any of your
>>> lame as posts, they realize they are encouraging this kind of ****.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Apparently, they don't.
>>
>>
>>
>>Bertie
>
>
> You're famous!!!!
>
> Yay, Bertie!

All I need now is the money and drugs and my life will be complete.

Bertie

george

May 9th 08, 09:37 PM

On May 10, 7:50 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Daedalus > wrote :

>
> > You're famous!!!!
>
> > Yay, Bertie!
>
> All I need now is the money and drugs and my life will be complete.
>

Until then the soporific nature of the group will have to do eh

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 9th 08, 10:18 PM

george > wrote in
:

> On May 10, 7:50 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Daedalus > wrote
>> :
>
>>
>> > You're famous!!!!
>>
>> > Yay, Bertie!
>>
>> All I need now is the money and drugs and my life will be complete.
>>
>
> Until then the soporific nature of the group will have to do eh
>

It has it''s compensations.

Bertie

Billy Crabs

May 9th 08, 11:01 PM

On May 9, 3:39*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote :
>
>
>
> >>>http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>
> > You must be very proud Bertie Buttlick.
>
> Oh please, you;re too modest.
>
>
>
> > We have only you to thank for polluting RAP with this kind of trash,
> > and the people that promote it. Great job.
>
> > I hope the next time ANYONE posts a serious response to any of your
> > lame as posts, they realize they are encouraging this kind of ****.
>
> Apparently, they don't.
>
> Bertie

Thankyou Bertie Buttlick! Your efforts are much appreciated by me and
my immediate family and a couple of my retarded cousins.

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 9th 08, 11:22 PM

Billy Crabs > wrote in
:

> On May 9, 3:39*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote
>> innews:LJ1Vj.71402$y05.34930@newsfe2
> 2.lga:
>>
>>
>>
>> >>>http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>>
>> > You must be very proud Bertie Buttlick.
>>
>> Oh please, you;re too modest.
>>
>>
>>
>> > We have only you to thank for polluting RAP with this kind of
>> > trash, and the people that promote it. Great job.
>>
>> > I hope the next time ANYONE posts a serious response to any of your
>> > lame as posts, they realize they are encouraging this kind of ****.
>>
>> Apparently, they don't.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Thankyou Bertie Buttlick! Your efforts are much appreciated by me and
> my immediate family and a couple of my retarded cousins.
>

You see, it's not all in vain.

Bertie

Chairman Cow

May 10th 08, 03:02 AM

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 10th 08, 03:06 AM

Chairman Cow > wrote in
:

> In article >, Bertie the
> Bunyip says...
>
>> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > In article >, Bertie
>> > the Bunyip says...
>> >
>> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> > In article >, Bertie
>> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >
>> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > Bertie
>> the
>> >> >> > Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> >> :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> Bertie
>> >> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695
>> $hJ1.668
>> >> >> >> >> @newsfe17.lga:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet
>> >> >> >> >> >> when
>> I
>> >> >> rule
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> world.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
>> cow/cornholing
>> >> >> thing and big internet bucs.
>> >> >
>> >> > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
>> >> >
>> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >>
>> >> In cud, presumably.
>> >
>> > Or how about this:
>> > Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing Okies!
>> >
>> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Lets aks Maxie if he approves, he is an Okie.
>
> Okies aren't choosey.
>
> The real question is would the bull approve?
>

Good point. He seems to have left, though. Shame. He was fun!

Bertie

[email protected]

May 10th 08, 05:35 AM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 08:29:43 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
> wrote:

>Denny wrote:
>> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>> this group...
>> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>
>> denny
>
>
>Well there the rec.aviation.stories Larry is the mod though.

I've never seen anything on it though.

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[email protected]

May 10th 08, 05:40 AM

On Fri, 2 May 2008 04:04:47 -0700 (PDT), Denny >
wrote:

>We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>this group...
>I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...

Although I follow a few moderated reflectors, I avoid moderated groups
like the plague. I enjoy the ability of the groups to drift "a bit
OT" now and then. Every moderated group I've tried eventually ended
up so strict I left them. Now I don't even bother.

>denny
Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Maxwell[_2_]

May 10th 08, 03:27 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "Denny" > wrote in message
>> news:1fc904ff-528a-4ba3-9b0b-
> .
>> ..
>>> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
>>> this group...
>>> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>>
>>> denny
>>
>> If you look, you can probably a lot of aviation groups that are
>> already moderated, hence the problem with this group. We get all the
>> problem children not allowed elsewhere.
>>
>
> I'm allowed anywhere. and in fact poast frequently in some of them.
>
>
>> The problem is finding one with a moderator that is either unusually
>> fair and gifted. Very few people possess the attitude to make a good
>> moderator.
>>
>> You need someone with at least 10 years experience in the topic of the
>> group, and 10 years experience running a day care center.
>
>
> Snort!
>
>
> Bertie

Yeah, but we can't believe you. We all know you are a liar.

Chairman Cow

May 10th 08, 03:43 PM

In article >, Bertie the
Bunyip says...

> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article >, Bertie the
> > Bunyip says...
> >
> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >> > In article >, Bertie
> >> > the Bunyip says...
> >> >
> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> :
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article >, Bertie
> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> :
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > Bertie
> >> the
> >> >> >> > Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> :
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:VllTj.695
> >> $hJ1.668
> >> >> >> >> >> @newsfe17.lga:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet
> >> >> >> >> >> >> when
> >> I
> >> >> >> rule
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> world.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
> >> cow/cornholing
> >> >> >> thing and big internet bucs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >>
> >> >> In cud, presumably.
> >> >
> >> > Or how about this:
> >> > Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing Okies!
> >> >
> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Lets aks Maxie if he approves, he is an Okie.
> >
> > Okies aren't choosey.
> >
> > The real question is would the bull approve?
> >
>
> Good point. He seems to have left, though. Shame. He was fun!

If'n you keep breaking your toys, I'll have to give you a time-out

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 10th 08, 04:32 PM

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:1hiVj.95$CE1.78
@newsfe23.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> "Denny" > wrote in message
>>> news:1fc904ff-528a-4ba3-9b0b-
>> .
>>> ..
>>>> We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who
follow
>>>> this group...
>>>> I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...
>>>>
>>>> denny
>>>
>>> If you look, you can probably a lot of aviation groups that are
>>> already moderated, hence the problem with this group. We get all the
>>> problem children not allowed elsewhere.
>>>
>>
>> I'm allowed anywhere. and in fact poast frequently in some of them.
>>
>>
>>> The problem is finding one with a moderator that is either unusually
>>> fair and gifted. Very few people possess the attitude to make a good
>>> moderator.
>>>
>>> You need someone with at least 10 years experience in the topic of
the
>>> group, and 10 years experience running a day care center.
>>
>>
>> Snort!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Yeah, but we can't believe you. We all know you are a liar.
>
>
>
>

No, you don't. i don't lie, and you shrieking over and over won't make
anyone believe it but you and your tiny minded fjukktard bud.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 10th 08, 04:34 PM

Wolf 253 > wrote in
news:20080510090816.3d1a810d@vector:

> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> Wolf 253 > wrote in
>> news:20080509084751.0f01b871@vector:
>>
>> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
>> > Chairman Cow > wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article >, Bertie
the
>> >> Bunyip says...
>> >>
>> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> > :
>> >> >
>> >> > > In article >,
Bertie
>> >> > > the Bunyip says...
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> > >> :
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > In article >,
>> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> > >> >> :
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> > In article >,
>> >> > >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>> >> > >> >> >> news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668 @newsfe17.lga:
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> > >> >> >> > ...
>> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet
>> >> > >> >> >> >> when I
>> >> > >> rule
>> >> > >> >> the
>> >> > >> >> >> >> world.
>> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
>> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
>> >> > >> cow/cornholing thing and big internet bucs.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >> >
>> >> > In cud, presumably.
>> >>
>> >> Or how about this:
>> >> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing Okies!
>> >>
>> >> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >>
>> > http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>> >
>> > He's a "bottom"?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> well, that's an image I could have done without..
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I think you're tryin to pass the buck here...
>
> http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Chris-Sawyer/cs-Stag4-29.jpg
>
>

Ok,...I seen some seird **** on the net, but..

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 10th 08, 04:35 PM

Chairman Cow > wrote in
:

> In article >, Bertie the
> Bunyip says...
>
>> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > In article >, Bertie the
>> > Bunyip says...
>> >
>> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> > In article >, Bertie
>> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >
>> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In article >,
Bertie
>> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> >> :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > Bertie
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> > Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> :
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > In article <fvksso$76b$9
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
>> >> Bertie
>> >> >> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
news:VllTj.695
>> >> $hJ1.668
>> >> >> >> >> >> @newsfe17.lga:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my
cabinet
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> when
>> >> I
>> >> >> >> rule
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> world.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
>> >> cow/cornholing
>> >> >> >> thing and big internet bucs.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In cud, presumably.
>> >> >
>> >> > Or how about this:
>> >> > Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing
Okies!
>> >> >
>> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Lets aks Maxie if he approves, he is an Okie.
>> >
>> > Okies aren't choosey.
>> >
>> > The real question is would the bull approve?
>> >
>>
>> Good point. He seems to have left, though. Shame. He was fun!
>
> If'n you keep breaking your toys, I'll have to give you a time-out
>

Nope, he's back! And hes really lathered up good today.

Bertie

Wolf 253

May 10th 08, 05:08 PM

On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> news:20080509084751.0f01b871@vector:
>
> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
> > Chairman Cow > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >, Bertie the
> >> Bunyip says...
> >>
> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> > :
> >> >
> >> > > In article >, Bertie
> >> > > the Bunyip says...
> >> > >
> >> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> > >> :
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > In article >,
> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> > >> >> :
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> > In article >,
> >> > >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> >> > >> >> >> news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668 @newsfe17.lga:
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> > >> >> >> > ...
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet
> >> > >> >> >> >> when I
> >> > >> rule
> >> > >> >> the
> >> > >> >> >> >> world.
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
> >> > >> cow/cornholing thing and big internet bucs.
> >> > >
> >> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
> >> > >
> >> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >
> >> > In cud, presumably.
> >>
> >> Or how about this:
> >> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing Okies!
> >>
> >> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >>
> > http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
> >
> > He's a "bottom"?
> >
> >
>
> well, that's an image I could have done without..
>
> Bertie

I think you're tryin to pass the buck here...

http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Chris-Sawyer/cs-Stag4-29.jpg

Chairman Cow

May 10th 08, 07:24 PM

In article >, Bertie the
Bunyip says...

> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article >, Bertie the
> > Bunyip says...
> >
> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >> > In article >, Bertie the
> >> > Bunyip says...
> >> >
> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> :
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article >, Bertie
> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> :
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> Bertie
> >> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> :
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> > Bertie
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> > Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> >> :
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > In article <fvksso$76b$9
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> news:VllTj.695
> >> >> $hJ1.668
> >> >> >> >> >> >> @newsfe17.lga:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my
> cabinet
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> when
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> rule
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> world.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
> >> >> cow/cornholing
> >> >> >> >> thing and big internet bucs.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In cud, presumably.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Or how about this:
> >> >> > Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing
> Okies!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Lets aks Maxie if he approves, he is an Okie.
> >> >
> >> > Okies aren't choosey.
> >> >
> >> > The real question is would the bull approve?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Good point. He seems to have left, though. Shame. He was fun!
> >
> > If'n you keep breaking your toys, I'll have to give you a time-out
>
> Nope, he's back! And hes really lathered up good today.

Why is it that I suspect he's not as much of a n00b in duration as he
acts? Of course, that just proves how little intelligence he has...

<pokes around in the sock drawer>

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 10th 08, 07:51 PM

Chairman Cow > wrote in
:

> In article >, Bertie the
> Bunyip says...
>
>> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > In article >, Bertie the
>> > Bunyip says...
>> >
>> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> > In article >, Bertie
>> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >
>> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> >> :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> Bertie
>> >> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> :
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> >> > >,
>> >> >> >> >> > Bertie
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> >> :
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > In article <fvksso$76b$9
>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
>> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >> >> >> >> > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>> news:VllTj.695
>> >> >> $hJ1.668
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> @newsfe17.lga:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > news:fvjgti$hmd$4
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my
>> cabinet
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> >> rule
>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> world.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
>> >> >> cow/cornholing
>> >> >> >> >> thing and big internet bucs.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the
>> >> >> >> > loot.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In cud, presumably.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Or how about this:
>> >> >> > Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing
>> Okies!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lets aks Maxie if he approves, he is an Okie.
>> >> >
>> >> > Okies aren't choosey.
>> >> >
>> >> > The real question is would the bull approve?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Good point. He seems to have left, though. Shame. He was fun!
>> >
>> > If'n you keep breaking your toys, I'll have to give you a time-out
>>
>> Nope, he's back! And hes really lathered up good today.
>
> Why is it that I suspect he's not as much of a n00b in duration as he
> acts? Of course, that just proves how little intelligence he has...

Yeah, I've even been giving him a step by step as to how i've been
playing him and , like any k00k worth his salt, he just ignores what I
say. It's kind of the acid test for a real long distance sort of k00k.
>
> <pokes around in the sock drawer>
>
Ouch!

Bertie

Wolf 253

May 11th 08, 05:26 PM

On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:34:16 +0000 (UTC)
Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> news:20080510090816.3d1a810d@vector:
>
> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >
> >> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> >> news:20080509084751.0f01b871@vector:
> >>
> >> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article >, Bertie
> the
> >> >> Bunyip says...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> > :
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > In article >,
> Bertie
> >> >> > > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> > >> :
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > In article >,
> >> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> > >> >> :
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> >> >> > >> >> >> news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668 @newsfe17.lga:
> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> >> > >> >> >> > ...
> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my cabinet
> >> >> > >> >> >> >> when I
> >> >> > >> rule
> >> >> > >> >> the
> >> >> > >> >> >> >> world.
> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
> >> >> > >> cow/cornholing thing and big internet bucs.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In cud, presumably.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or how about this:
> >> >> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing Okies!
> >> >>
> >> >> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >>
> >> > http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
> >> >
> >> > He's a "bottom"?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> well, that's an image I could have done without..
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > I think you're tryin to pass the buck here...
> >
> > http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Chris-Sawyer/cs-Stag4-29.jpg
> >
> >
>
> Ok,...I seen some seird **** on the net, but..
>
> Bertie

this guy can fly so hes ON TOPIC:

http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Extinctioners_cast_Dre_by_Ebonyleopard.jpg

whats under that loin cloth?

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]

May 11th 08, 05:37 PM

Wolf 253 > wrote in
news:20080511092645.4324337a@vector:

> On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:34:16 +0000 (UTC)
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> Wolf 253 > wrote in
>> news:20080510090816.3d1a810d@vector:
>>
>> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
>> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wolf 253 > wrote in
>> >> news:20080509084751.0f01b871@vector:
>> >>
>> >> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
>> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In article >,
>> >> >> Bertie
>> the
>> >> >> Bunyip says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> > :
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > In article >,
>> Bertie
>> >> >> > > the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> > >> :
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
>> >> >> > >> >> :
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > In article
>> >> >> > >> >> > >,
>> >> >> > >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
>> >> >> > >> >> >> news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668 @newsfe17.lga:
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> cabinet when I
>> >> >> > >> rule
>> >> >> > >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> world.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
>> >> >> > >> cow/cornholing thing and big internet bucs.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In cud, presumably.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Or how about this:
>> >> >> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing
>> >> >> Okies!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
>> >> >>
>> >> > http://us-
p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > He's a "bottom"?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> well, that's an image I could have done without..
>> >>
>> >> Bertie
>> >
>> > I think you're tryin to pass the buck here...
>> >
>> > http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Chris-Sawyer/cs-Stag4-29.jpg
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Ok,...I seen some seird **** on the net, but..
>>
>> Bertie
>
> this guy can fly so hes ON TOPIC:
>
> http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Extinctioners_cast_Dre_by_Ebonyleopa
r
> d.jpg
>
> whats under that loin cloth?
>
>

Oooohhhkay. This sort of stuff related to the Plushie thing?

Bertie

Wolf 253

May 12th 08, 05:12 PM

On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:37:34 +0000 (UTC)
Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> news:20080511092645.4324337a@vector:
>
> > On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:34:16 +0000 (UTC)
> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >
> >> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> >> news:20080510090816.3d1a810d@vector:
> >>
> >> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> >> >> news:20080509084751.0f01b871@vector:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
> >> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> In article >,
> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> the
> >> >> >> Bunyip says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> > :
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > In article >,
> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> > > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> > >> :
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> > >> >> :
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> > >> >> > >,
> >> >> >> > >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668 @newsfe17.lga:
> >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> cabinet when I
> >> >> >> > >> rule
> >> >> >> > >> >> the
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> world.
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H club.
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
> >> >> >> > >> cow/cornholing thing and big internet bucs.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the loot.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In cud, presumably.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Or how about this:
> >> >> >> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing
> >> >> >> Okies!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > http://us-
> p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He's a "bottom"?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> well, that's an image I could have done without..
> >> >>
> >> >> Bertie
> >> >
> >> > I think you're tryin to pass the buck here...
> >> >
> >> > http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Chris-Sawyer/cs-Stag4-29.jpg
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ok,...I seen some seird **** on the net, but..
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > this guy can fly so hes ON TOPIC:
> >
> > http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Extinctioners_cast_Dre_by_Ebonyleopa
> r
> > d.jpg
> >
> > whats under that loin cloth?
> >
> >
>
> Oooohhhkay. This sort of stuff related to the Plushie thing?
>
Dunno...but I do remember an airline that had a plush-toy plane it used to give to kids...
I wonder if any pilots got randy with those?

--
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/84693/

Wolf 253

May 13th 08, 04:51 PM

On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:08:31 +0000 (UTC)
Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> news:20080512091237.307ad83d@vector:
>
> > On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:37:34 +0000 (UTC)
> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >
> >> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> >> news:20080511092645.4324337a@vector:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:34:16 +0000 (UTC)
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> >> >> news:20080510090816.3d1a810d@vector:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Wolf 253 > wrote in
> >> >> >> news:20080509084751.0f01b871@vector:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Fri, 9 May 2008 05:26:33 -0700
> >> >> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> In article >,
> >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> > :
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > In article >,
> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> >> > > the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> > >> :
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> > In article
> >> >> >> >> > >> > >,
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Chairman Cow > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> :
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >,
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip says...
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> news:VllTj.695$hJ1.668 @newsfe17.lga:
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > news:fvjgti$hmd$4
> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ..
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You've just gaurunteed yourself a slot in my
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> cabinet when I
> >> >> >> >> > >> rule
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> world.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yeah air head, that's on topic.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Of course it is. First usenet, then the world.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!!!1!
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Exactly, theyn I'm going to take over the four H
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> club.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > And turn it into an organic co-operative?
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> I was actually thinking more along the lines of that
> >> >> >> >> > >> cow/cornholing thing and big internet bucs.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Just be sure that the cows get their fair share o'the
> >> >> >> >> > > loot.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > In cud, presumably.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Or how about this:
> >> >> >> >> Instead of Okies cornholing cows, lets try bulls cornholing
> >> >> >> >> Okies!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Moo-oo-oo-oo!!!1!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > http://us-
> >> p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Lope/Commissions/Luagha_Co.jpg
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > He's a "bottom"?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> well, that's an image I could have done without..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think you're tryin to pass the buck here...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Chris-Sawyer/cs-Stag4-29.jpg
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Ok,...I seen some seird **** on the net, but..
> >> >>
> >> >> Bertie
> >> >
> >> > this guy can fly so hes ON TOPIC:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Extinctioners_cast_Dre_by_Ebonyleo
> >> > pa
> >> r
> >> > d.jpg
> >> >
> >> > whats under that loin cloth?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Oooohhhkay. This sort of stuff related to the Plushie thing?
> >>
> > Dunno...but I do remember an airline that had a plush-toy plane it
> > used to give to kids... I wonder if any pilots got randy with those?
>
>
> My guess would be that if it can be done, someone will have done it.
>
>
Some mattress company has a advert where if you buy one of their beds you get a stuffed sheep.
Is that an appeal to farmers?

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