2nd cellphone for retrieve/rural areas US

[chris]

1. I was interested to know how the cell phone coverage has changed in
rural areas especially in the western US after the analog systems lost
support in February 2008.

My service is Verizon and they dropped the ability of my phone to
connect to the older analog network. It seems like this means it will
be harder to get a signal in rural areas incase of a landout.

I was considering buying a second phone that worked on a different
network in hopes that if my verizon phone did not connect the
nonverizon phone might connect on the AT&T GSM network.

I think one of the pay as you go no-contract phones would be ideal
such as:

http://www.tracfone.com/jsplib/verify_mapcov.jsp
http://att.com/gophone

2. Any ideas on these pay as you go no-contract phones regarding how
good they are for retrieves?

Chris

[Bill Daniels]

"chris" > wrote in message
...
> 1. I was interested to know how the cell phone coverage has changed in
> rural areas especially in the western US after the analog systems lost
> support in February 2008.
>
> My service is Verizon and they dropped the ability of my phone to
> connect to the older analog network. It seems like this means it will
> be harder to get a signal in rural areas incase of a landout.
>
> I was considering buying a second phone that worked on a different
> network in hopes that if my verizon phone did not connect the
> nonverizon phone might connect on the AT&T GSM network.
>
> I think one of the pay as you go no-contract phones would be ideal
> such as:
>
> http://www.tracfone.com/jsplib/verify_mapcov.jsp
> http://att.com/gophone
>
> 2. Any ideas on these pay as you go no-contract phones regarding how
> good they are for retrieves?
>
> Chris

For the second phone, get a satellite phone with a cheap "pay by the minute"
plan. In the rare event you need it, $1.50/min will seem reasonable. If
it's only for a contest, rent the phone for $35/week.

Bill D

[JS]

For the Great Basin, a prepaid sat phone, or spot.
There are large areas with absolutely no coverage of Analog, CDMA, 3G,
GSM, you name it.
Jim

[[email protected]]

On May 2, 9:45*pm, JS > wrote:
> For the Great Basin, a prepaid sat phone, or spot.
> There are large areas with absolutely no coverage of Analog, CDMA, 3G,
> GSM, you name it.
> Jim

I'd be interested in the product number of one or two
satellite phone vendors whose phone has been used
successfully in the Great Basin.

Thanks.

Doug Whitehead

[Darryl Ramm]

On May 3, 4:09 am, wrote:
> On May 2, 9:45 pm, JS > wrote:
>
> > For the Great Basin, a prepaid sat phone, or spot.
> > There are large areas with absolutely no coverage of Analog, CDMA, 3G,
> > GSM, you name it.
> > Jim
>
> I'd be interested in the product number of one or two
> satellite phone vendors whose phone has been used
> successfully in the Great Basin.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Doug Whitehead

There is only one that has reliable USA coverage. That's Iridium. They
have one mobile phone the Motorola 9505A. ~$1.5k for the handset. The
outbound call costs are not horrendously expensive for what you get,
$1 to $2 per minute, the rip off is the calls inbound to the phone.
If you don't know what is going on it can be $5 to ~ $8 per minute.
Forget trying to use it in flight, you'll never be able to extend the
long helical antenna to use the phone (or even answer a call). If you
wanted to do that you could install a remote antenna (but then the
phone is not going to go with you if you bail out). And good luck
trying to find out exactly what the inbound charges are. This can be
avoided by a more complex call sequence to a USA call center vs.
direct dialing the phone on the Iridium "country" code. Still this is
the way to go and I think can be well worth it for people in remote
areas. Iridium and similar providers were forced by the feds to
implement a 911 service (same regulations affecting cable phone
companies etc.). Amusingly they are explicit they don't want to handle
aviation related incidents/in-air emergencies, hey but after a crash
your just an injured/stranded hiker anyhow.. I did all this looking
and was close to buying one for use when touring around the Great
Basin but I got busy/sidetracked and never did it.

Disqualified candidates are GlobalStar because of their current
problems with S-Band amplifiers on their satellites resulting in very
poor call reliability. This is a well known/discussed problem and
GlobalStar are launching new satellites. Note: this does not affect
the SPOT satelite messengers that only use the GlobalStar L-band
simplex amplifiers.

Other satellite providers either don't cover the USA or don't target
the mobile handset market (e.g. Inmarsat, although they are talking
about USA expansion).

Darryl

[Bill Daniels]

"Darryl Ramm" > wrote in message
...
> On May 3, 4:09 am, wrote:
>> On May 2, 9:45 pm, JS > wrote:
>>
>> > For the Great Basin, a prepaid sat phone, or spot.
>> > There are large areas with absolutely no coverage of Analog, CDMA, 3G,
>> > GSM, you name it.
>> > Jim
>>
>> I'd be interested in the product number of one or two
>> satellite phone vendors whose phone has been used
>> successfully in the Great Basin.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Doug Whitehead
>
> There is only one that has reliable USA coverage. That's Iridium. They
> have one mobile phone the Motorola 9505A. ~$1.5k for the handset. The
> outbound call costs are not horrendously expensive for what you get,
> $1 to $2 per minute, the rip off is the calls inbound to the phone.
> If you don't know what is going on it can be $5 to ~ $8 per minute.
> Forget trying to use it in flight, you'll never be able to extend the
> long helical antenna to use the phone (or even answer a call). If you
> wanted to do that you could install a remote antenna (but then the
> phone is not going to go with you if you bail out). And good luck
> trying to find out exactly what the inbound charges are. This can be
> avoided by a more complex call sequence to a USA call center vs.
> direct dialing the phone on the Iridium "country" code. Still this is
> the way to go and I think can be well worth it for people in remote
> areas. Iridium and similar providers were forced by the feds to
> implement a 911 service (same regulations affecting cable phone
> companies etc.). Amusingly they are explicit they don't want to handle
> aviation related incidents/in-air emergencies, hey but after a crash
> your just an injured/stranded hiker anyhow.. I did all this looking
> and was close to buying one for use when touring around the Great
> Basin but I got busy/sidetracked and never did it.
>
> Disqualified candidates are GlobalStar because of their current
> problems with S-Band amplifiers on their satellites resulting in very
> poor call reliability. This is a well known/discussed problem and
> GlobalStar are launching new satellites. Note: this does not affect
> the SPOT satelite messengers that only use the GlobalStar L-band
> simplex amplifiers.
>
> Other satellite providers either don't cover the USA or don't target
> the mobile handset market (e.g. Inmarsat, although they are talking
> about USA expansion).
>
> Darryl

Would inbound calls actually be an issue? I'd imagine most folks would keep
it turned off to concerve the battery and use only in an emergency for a
short outbound call that provides the crew with GPS coordinates and the
pilots situation. Maybe some would arrange with the crew to turn it for a
few minutes on the hour to receive inbound calls after an emergency outbound
call was made. Anyway, whether it's $1 or $8 per minute, it's still cheap
if you are down in the great basin and need help.

Spot would be the ticket for tracking and the occasional "I'm OK" message.

Wow, what progress from the time 40 years ago when pilots launched into the
desert with only a pocket full of quarters to use in a pay phone they hoped
to find - which reminds me of a story from that era.

A pilot lands near a desert town and walks in only to find it a deserted
'ghost town'. Walking down the dusty main street he spies an old fashioned
wooden phone booth with a crank telephone inside. Expecting nothing, he
puts the earpiece to his head and turns the crank.

"Hello? Who are you? was the incredulous response. It seems that an old
and forgotten equipment panel in a Pacific Bell switching center had rung
and a technician had picked up the call. It was hard to tell if the
technician was more surprised by the pilots story or the fact that a 50 year
old plug panel still worked.

Bill D

[Darryl Ramm]

On May 3, 8:04 pm, "Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote:
> "Darryl Ramm" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On May 3, 4:09 am, wrote:
> >> On May 2, 9:45 pm, JS > wrote:
>
> >> > For the Great Basin, a prepaid sat phone, or spot.
> >> > There are large areas with absolutely no coverage of Analog, CDMA, 3G,
> >> > GSM, you name it.
> >> > Jim
>
> >> I'd be interested in the product number of one or two
> >> satellite phone vendors whose phone has been used
> >> successfully in the Great Basin.
>
> >> Thanks.
>
> >> Doug Whitehead
>
> > There is only one that has reliable USA coverage. That's Iridium. They
> > have one mobile phone the Motorola 9505A. ~$1.5k for the handset. The
> > outbound call costs are not horrendously expensive for what you get,
> > $1 to $2 per minute, the rip off is the calls inbound to the phone.
> > If you don't know what is going on it can be $5 to ~ $8 per minute.
> > Forget trying to use it in flight, you'll never be able to extend the
> > long helical antenna to use the phone (or even answer a call). If you
> > wanted to do that you could install a remote antenna (but then the
> > phone is not going to go with you if you bail out). And good luck
> > trying to find out exactly what the inbound charges are. This can be
> > avoided by a more complex call sequence to a USA call center vs.
> > direct dialing the phone on the Iridium "country" code. Still this is
> > the way to go and I think can be well worth it for people in remote
> > areas. Iridium and similar providers were forced by the feds to
> > implement a 911 service (same regulations affecting cable phone
> > companies etc.). Amusingly they are explicit they don't want to handle
> > aviation related incidents/in-air emergencies, hey but after a crash
> > your just an injured/stranded hiker anyhow.. I did all this looking
> > and was close to buying one for use when touring around the Great
> > Basin but I got busy/sidetracked and never did it.
>
> > Disqualified candidates are GlobalStar because of their current
> > problems with S-Band amplifiers on their satellites resulting in very
> > poor call reliability. This is a well known/discussed problem and
> > GlobalStar are launching new satellites. Note: this does not affect
> > the SPOT satelite messengers that only use the GlobalStar L-band
> > simplex amplifiers.
>
> > Other satellite providers either don't cover the USA or don't target
> > the mobile handset market (e.g. Inmarsat, although they are talking
> > about USA expansion).
>
> > Darryl
>
> Would inbound calls actually be an issue? I'd imagine most folks would keep
> it turned off to concerve the battery and use only in an emergency for a
> short outbound call that provides the crew with GPS coordinates and the
> pilots situation. Maybe some would arrange with the crew to turn it for a
> few minutes on the hour to receive inbound calls after an emergency outbound
> call was made. Anyway, whether it's $1 or $8 per minute, it's still cheap
> if you are down in the great basin and need help.
>
> Spot would be the ticket for tracking and the occasional "I'm OK" message.
>
> Wow, what progress from the time 40 years ago when pilots launched into the
> desert with only a pocket full of quarters to use in a pay phone they hoped
> to find - which reminds me of a story from that era.
>
> A pilot lands near a desert town and walks in only to find it a deserted
> 'ghost town'. Walking down the dusty main street he spies an old fashioned
> wooden phone booth with a crank telephone inside. Expecting nothing, he
> puts the earpiece to his head and turns the crank.
>
> "Hello? Who are you? was the incredulous response. It seems that an old
> and forgotten equipment panel in a Pacific Bell switching center had rung
> and a technician had picked up the call. It was hard to tell if the
> technician was more surprised by the pilots story or the fact that a 50 year
> old plug panel still worked.
>
> Bill D

Bill I completely agree, and think at these prices they still have a
place, and my interest was exactly touring around the great basin.
More mentioned because inbound call costs apparently annoys many
owners (or their friends). You can greatly reduce inbound call costs
by having people use the alternate dial numbers and not the iridium
country code so its' worth being aware of. Also it's worth looking at
one or mocking up one from the dimensions to see how large they are.
Then the other thing is if you have a crew you really need two of
these phones.

Times have changed, no quarters anymore, but I make sure I have a
calling card in my wallet just in case.

Darryl