New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

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See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Raytheon_Proves_Advanced_Anti_Submarine_Capability _With_Flight_Test_999.html

[Airyx]

On May 14, 10:30*pm, wrote:
> See:
>
> http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Raytheon_Proves_Advanced_Anti_Submari...

I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.

I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
aircraft and abandonded the program.

[Jack Linthicum]

On May 14, 11:30 pm, wrote:
> See:
>
> http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Raytheon_Proves_Advanced_Anti_Submari...

To see what the comics version of a Fishhawk (aka an Osprey) is like

http://www.comicspage.com/shoe/shoe_characters.html

[Philip Morten]

Airyx wrote:
> On May 14, 10:30 pm, wrote:
>> See:
>>
>> http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Raytheon_Proves_Advanced_Anti_Submari...
>
> I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
> that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.
>
> I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
> provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
> aircraft and abandonded the program.

I think this concept is being pushed because they don't want the
twin-engined P-8 flying around at typical traditional torpedo launch
altitudes.


--
Philip Morten

[Fred J. McCall]

Airyx > wrote:

:On May 14, 10:30*pm, wrote:
:> See:
:>
:> http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Raytheon_Proves_Advanced_Anti_Submari...
:

What is the point of posting a quote of a link when you don't post the
whole thing?

:
:I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
:that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.
:

Don't suppose.

--
You have never lived until you have almost died.
Life has a special meaning that the protected
will never know.

[Fred J. McCall]

Philip Morten > wrote:

:Airyx wrote:
:> On May 14, 10:30 pm, wrote:
:>> See:
:>>
:>> http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Raytheon_Proves_Advanced_Anti_Submari...
:>
:> I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
:> that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.
:>
:> I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
:> provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
:> aircraft and abandonded the program.
:
:I think this concept is being pushed because they don't want the
:twin-engined P-8 flying around at typical traditional torpedo launch
:altitudes.
:

The concept is being 'pushed' because flying down to a couple hundred
feet off the water at dead slow speeds for a torpedo launch and then
clawing your way back up to a reasonable search altitude is hard for
the P-3, wears out the airframe, and makes it harder for them to do
their job. The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

[R. Scott]

The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

Are you sure ?

[Bill Kambic]

On Sat, 17 May 2008 15:33:44 -0700, Fred J. McCall
> wrote:

>The concept is being 'pushed' because flying down to a couple hundred
>feet off the water at dead slow speeds for a torpedo launch and then
>clawing your way back up to a reasonable search altitude is hard for
>the P-3, wears out the airframe, and makes it harder for them to do
>their job.

I dunno. I never found the P-3 had to "claw" it's way back to
altitude. It climbed pretty good, as a matter of fact! :-)

The descent and climb take time, fuel, and do increase airframe and
engine stress to a degree, but not so's you'd notice under most
circumstances. Smooth piloting does a lot to keep stresses down.

Going down low does increase the risk of mishap and may expose the
aircraft to AAW weapons on a sub or other surface vessels. Being able
to conduct "stand off" attacks makes sense.

In earlier days sensor limitations meant "low" attacks because A
primary system to developing attack criteria was the MAD. Limitations
in accoustic sensor accuracy and weapon aquisition profile required a
pretty precise weapon placement. As accoustics and weapons have
gotten better maybe MAD is less important.

The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

Don't know much about this bird, yet.