a big question with a million answers

[Colin McGinn]

ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on>>>>
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin

[Ed Winchester]

Colin McGinn wrote:
> ok here goes nothing
> we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
> business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
> so
> look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
> experience
> so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on>>>>
> i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
> take that
> in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
> we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
> made
> as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
> so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
> views
>
> kind regards
> colin
>
You'll find some basic info about and pictures of most types at:
http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/Directory.cfm

[Colin McGinn]

At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:
>ok here goes nothing
>we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
>business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
solo
>so
>look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
>experience
>so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on>>>>
>i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able
to
>take that
>in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
>we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every
glider
>made
>as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
>so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
>views
>
>kind regards
>colin
>


i cant believe no one has any comments ??

[[email protected]]

On May 20, 8:10 am, Colin McGinn >
wrote:
> At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:
>
>
>
> >ok here goes nothing
> >we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
> >business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
> solo
> >so
> >look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
> >experience
> >so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on>>>>
> >i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able
> to
> >take that
> >in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
> >we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every
> glider
> >made
> >as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
> >so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
> >views
>
> >kind regards
> >colin
>
> i cant believe no one has any comments ??

I think that is because we beat it up to death....

jk

[sisu1a]

On May 20, 8:10 am, Colin McGinn >
wrote:
> At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:
>
>
>
> >ok here goes nothing
> >we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
> >business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
> solo
> >so
> >look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
> >experience
> >so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on>>>>
> >i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able
> to
> >take that
> >in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
> >we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every
> glider
> >made
> >as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
> >so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
> >views
>
> >kind regards
> >colin
>
> i cant believe no one has any comments ??

Hi Colin,

Get an SZD-59 if you can find one! It's very docile, has 40/1 and can
accept 150 liters of water with the 15m tips on it, and when you fly
it with the 13m tips on it the G rating is +7 to -5 with a 2.6 second
roll rate (45-45 degrees @ 50knots). It can be inverted and looped
with the 15m tips, but you can really ring it out with the 13's on it.
The only problem are there are only 12 in the US, so finding one may
not be too easy. Looping is within the envelope of most gliders, but
not inverting. Get Acro training. Have fun.

Paul Hanson

PS. New 59's are available, but they are pretty spendy with a 45,000
Euro base price (no instruments/trailer/VAT/import fee/etc)

PPS. The last 59 I saw sell on WingsandWheels went for $33,000 to a
guy in Arizona for his newly soloed 14yr old daughter to fly. It is a
forgiving ship with lots of 'go'. Read the Johnson flight report on it
(go to SSA.org, sign in, and put the cursor to the "Soaring Magazine"
option and click on Johnson Reports in the tab that will pop out)

check out the link below for a few pics both with and without the 15m
tips (note-the winglets are an extra option, but available):
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraftsearch=PZL-Bielsko%20SZD-59%20acro&distinct_entry=true

[bagmaker]

[QUOTE=Ed Winchester;632624]Colin McGinn wrote:
ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin



Hi Colin, Welcome!

Since you are a couple
and you like acro
and you dont state how poor you are
Go buy a DG1000

http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/prospekte-e.html

If this doesnt suit, tell us how much you want to spend, your lacation in the world and any other goals you have and the RAS group may be able to point you a little more accurately.

Also,

Ask you CFI



Bagger

[Martin Gregorie[_3_]]

On Tue, 20 May 2008 15:10:04 +0000, Colin McGinn wrote:

> At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:
>>ok here goes nothing
>>we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
>>business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
> solo so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
>
What are you currently learning on, what does your club usually transition
early solo pilots onto and what is your budget for glider purchase?

Others have said the Sailplane Directory is the best reference source for
looking up gliders. Despite its limitations, I'd agree.

I spent my first solo year flying club Juniors and getting my Silver C
in one. Its a nice glider to fly, can teach you a lot about thermalling
technique and will easily take you the Silver C. My next mount was
the club's Pegase 90, a very nice glider and fairly inexpensive in terms
of bang for the buck, before converting to the club Discus. Personally, I
preferred the Pegase: not a lot of performance difference (certainly much
less than I could take advantage of) but more comfortable and quite a bit
cheaper too.

Best idea is to talk to your CFI and take in what he has to say: if
your club is like mine you won't be allowed to put a glider on site
that your CFI thinks is unsuitable for your experience and capabilities.
Then talk to club members about what they think is good for your local
conditions and what they think of various gliders.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot

[Barny]

I entered "first glider" in the search field for this group => 11
pages w/ten posts each.

[Malcolm Austin]

First thoughts:

It might take you quite a time to become proficient at loops and inverted.
Also there are many others things to learn besides aerobatic. Pre-solo,
you probably have a year or two of learning, in all conditions and hopefully
different clubs to put into your knowledge base.

Second thoughts: When you were about to take your driving test did you
consider buying a high performance sports car, with all the twitchiness that
entails?

I would suggest you get something to learn on for a couple of years whilst
you gain experience. Like your first car, there's a really good chance your
going to scratch it a bit on the way :-(

If both of your have lots of free time, you could well get through the next
steps of learning in a year and can move onto a higher performance glider.
If not, you will take a bit longer. Having an expensive machine sitting
gathering dust is not that motivational. Breaking one due to lack of
experience or being current is even worse..


"Colin McGinn" > wrote in message
...
> ok here goes nothing
> we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
> business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
> so
> look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
> experience
> so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on>>>>
> i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
> take that
> in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
> we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
> made
> as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
> so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
> views
>
> kind regards
> colin

[Darryl Ramm]

On May 20, 4:25 am, Colin McGinn >
wrote:
> ok here goes nothing
> we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
> business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
> so
> look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
> experience
> so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on>>>>
> i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
> take that
> in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
> we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
> made
> as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
> so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
> views
>
> kind regards
> colin

This deceased horse has been abused here before. But here goes I would
heavily bias any decision towards what types are common where you fly,
so you can share experience from other pilots/owners. Also talk to
whoever will maintain the glider for you, they'll often have
preferences or advice. Assuming you are going to fly XC do not
undervalue the worth of a good trailer, or the value of a well put
together XC panel, O2 system, transponder?, (dual?) batteries, etc.
all debugged and known to be working. Stuff that might take weeks or
months of hassle just getting somebody to work on and get fully sorted
out to your satisfaction. If you are looking at older ships be sure to
understand what a good condition gelcoat/poly finish is really worth
vs. refinish costs in lotsa $$$ and time. Spend the time to find
somebody really good to do the pre-purchase inspection if you are
buying used.

In the UK with a strong club scene I'd be tempted to hang around some
of the clubs and try out different gliders before making a purchase
decision.

Darryl

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> i cant believe no one has any comments ??

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