Such language!

[John Kimmel]

http://home.teleport.com/~guynoir/webimages/ohmygod.wmv
--
John Kimmel
















































girls = time x money

time = money

girls = money x money = money²

money = the root of all evil = ¬/evil

girls = (¬/evil)²

girls = evil

[VideoFlyer]

Holy Sh*t !!!!!

[David O]

John Kimmel > wrote:

>http://home.teleport.com/~guynoir/webimages/ohmygod.wmv


What a hoot! Thanks for posting that. Definitely a keeper. I think
my reaction would be the same. That was much too close for comfort.

Someone in the thread said he thought the Spitfire cleared the
reporter by 50'. No way. It was much closer than that. Here is a
six frame animation (473 KB GIF animation).

http://www.AirplaneZone.com/NewsgroupPix/22LH.gif

Individual JPEG files are here,

http://www.AirplaneZone.com/NewsgroupPix/TempJPG

The height shown in the first frame is from the ground to the leading
edge of the wing. The airplane did climb during the six frames, but
not much.

David O

[B2431]

>From: John Kimmel
>Date: 9/21/2003 11:26 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>http://home.teleport.com/~guynoir/webimages/ohmygod.wmv
>--
>John Kimmel

>
>
Something like that would tend to wake anyone up.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Morgans]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: John Kimmel
> >Date: 9/21/2003 11:26 AM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >http://home.teleport.com/~guynoir/webimages/ohmygod.wmv
> >--
> >John Kimmel
>
> >
> >
> Something like that would tend to wake anyone up.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

How high (AGL) would you say he was when directly overhead. Even more
importantly, how much did the prop miss his head by?
--
Jim in NC

[Russell Kent]

Dan wrote:

> It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty feet.
> Still too close.

"Fifty" ? As in 50 (not 15)? It's difficult to tell because the aircraft leaves
the frame as it passes overhead, but I'd estimate that the aircraft is within a
half wingspan of the ground. So in the case of a Spitfire (wingspan = 36 feet)
we're talking about 18 feet. Entirely too close for the unsuspecting, but then
the cameraman and reporter shouldn't have been walking around on an active
runway. :-)

Russell Kent

[Morgans]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >How high (AGL) would you say he was when directly overhead. Even more
> >importantly, how much did the prop miss his head by?
> >--
> >Jim in NC
>
> It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty
feet.
> Still too close.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

I thought that, but then I watched it a couple more times, and I saw how
sort a time previous, that he broke ground, and I started wondering.
--
Jim in NC

[Roger Halstead]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:52:43 -0500, Russell Kent >
wrote:

>Dan wrote:
>
>> It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty feet.
>> Still too close.
>
>"Fifty" ? As in 50 (not 15)? It's difficult to tell because the aircraft leaves
>the frame as it passes overhead, but I'd estimate that the aircraft is within a
>half wingspan of the ground. So in the case of a Spitfire (wingspan = 36 feet)
>we're talking about 18 feet. Entirely too close for the unsuspecting, but then
>the cameraman and reporter shouldn't have been walking around on an active
>runway. :-)

I've been walking down active taxi ways and had to step over to let
A-10s and F-16s by. I was about 3 to 4 feet from the wing tips. OTOH
Some where around here I have a photo of Joyce just a few feet to the
side of the taxiway holding her fingers in her ears.

I'd never get under the wing of a transport, or any other plane for
that matter....Although I did have the wing tip of a B-2 pass over the
Deb at Oshkosh one year. They had us stop and the B-2 taxied by on a
crossing taxiway to get to 27.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>Russell Kent

[Roger Halstead]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:12:05 -0400, "Morgans" >
wrote:

>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>> >How high (AGL) would you say he was when directly overhead. Even more
>> >importantly, how much did the prop miss his head by?
>> >--
>> >Jim in NC
>>
>> It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty
>feet.
>> Still too close.
>>
>> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>I thought that, but then I watched it a couple more times, and I saw how
>sort a time previous, that he broke ground, and I started wondering.

I tried to view it, but all I ended up with was a page full of text.

Roger
Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

[sean trost]

Roger,
I was at Jackson naval air station sitting at the arresting gear
mechanism in the dead of night waiting for the ride home when I head the
distinctive whine of a C-5a on final, sans running lights shooting for
my runway, thankfully he hit the ground about 150 meter in front of me
and I did get nothing more than a hurricane gust. Whew, If I'd known
then what I know now........

all the best
Sean Trost

Roger Halstead wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:52:43 -0500, Russell Kent >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Dan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty feet.
>>>Still too close.
>>
>>"Fifty" ? As in 50 (not 15)? It's difficult to tell because the aircraft leaves
>>the frame as it passes overhead, but I'd estimate that the aircraft is within a
>>half wingspan of the ground. So in the case of a Spitfire (wingspan = 36 feet)
>>we're talking about 18 feet. Entirely too close for the unsuspecting, but then
>>the cameraman and reporter shouldn't have been walking around on an active
>>runway. :-)
>
>
> I've been walking down active taxi ways and had to step over to let
> A-10s and F-16s by. I was about 3 to 4 feet from the wing tips. OTOH
> Some where around here I have a photo of Joyce just a few feet to the
> side of the taxiway holding her fingers in her ears.
>
> I'd never get under the wing of a transport, or any other plane for
> that matter....Although I did have the wing tip of a B-2 pass over the
> Deb at Oshkosh one year. They had us stop and the B-2 taxied by on a
> crossing taxiway to get to 27.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
> www.rogerhalstead.com
> N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>>Russell Kent
>
>

[Corky Scott]

On 22 Sep 2003 04:23:12 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

>>How high (AGL) would you say he was when directly overhead. Even more
>>importantly, how much did the prop miss his head by?
>>--
>>Jim in NC
>
>It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty feet.
>Still too close.
>
>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

I'd say it was a LOT closer than 50 feet. Several observations here:
The landing gear was stowed and the airplane could have climbed a lot
more than it did. I think the pilot deliberately stayed low to give
the reporter a close encounter. It did move over just a bit so that
the prop would not be directly over the guy.

You can actually see the grass being pushed around by the ground
effect as the Spitfire passes overhead. It was that low.

Corky Scott

[Rick Pellicciotti]

Guys,
This clip as been around for a couple of years. It has been discussed at
length on the Spitfire forums. Here is the scoop as I understand it. They
were filming a documentary for the 60th anniversary of the Spitfire. Ray
Hanna, flying Spitfire MKIX serial number MH434, was supposed to fly over
the reporter and the camera. It was a timed deal, with the reporter
finishing his speech and the airplane arriving a second or two later. In
addition to the reporter, the camera operator, and the soundman, there was
also a aerial coordinator in radio contact with the airplane. This was the
first take.

The airplane did not take off and fly over the reporter. The airplane was
already in the air and made a low pass. A very low pass. Mr. Hanna has a
reputation of flying very low. I have another clip (if I can find it) where
he is flying in an airshow and he actually goes out of sight, below the
level of the runway (which was built up above the average ground level).
All you can see is the prop tips and the vertical fin.

The pass was lower than expected and caught the reporter off guard. You can
imagine what it was like, standing under 1650hp. The airplane is very low
as it approaches. Many self proclaimed experts have said the the bottom of
the airplane is less than 4 feet off the ground as it approaches. The
airplane does appear to rise up as it approaches the camera but it is not
more than 20 feet or so.

If you have trouble viewing it on the link as posted, it is on my site as
well:
http://www.spitfire.org/doc9/ohmygod1.wmv
you need Windows Media Player to view it.

You can read about Ray Hanna, Spitfire MH434 and their adventures here:
http://www.ofmc.co.uk/aircraft/spitfire.htm

Rick Pellicciotti, webmaster,
http://www.spitfire.org

[Morgans]

"sean trost" > wrote in message
...
> Roger,
> I was at Jackson naval air station sitting at the arresting gear
> mechanism in the dead of night waiting for the ride home when I head the
> distinctive whine of a C-5a on final, sans running lights shooting for
> my runway, thankfully he hit the ground about 150 meter in front of me
> and I did get nothing more than a hurricane gust. Whew, If I'd known
> then what I know now........
>
> all the best
> Sean Trost

And what is it, that you know now?
--
Jim in NC

[sean trost]

wingtip vortices.

all the best
Sean Trost

Morgans wrote:
> "sean trost" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Roger,
>>I was at Jackson naval air station sitting at the arresting gear
>>mechanism in the dead of night waiting for the ride home when I head the
>>distinctive whine of a C-5a on final, sans running lights shooting for
>>my runway, thankfully he hit the ground about 150 meter in front of me
>>and I did get nothing more than a hurricane gust. Whew, If I'd known
>>then what I know now........
>>
>>all the best
>>Sean Trost
>
>
> And what is it, that you know now?
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>

[Morgans]

"sean trost" > wrote in message
...
> wingtip vortices.
>
> all the best
> Sean Trost


So are you saying you enjoyed it? <g>

I always wondered how much they would push a person around.

Did you see the movie, "Pushing Tin"? The person in that, relieves some
stress (or something) by standing right at the end of a runway while heavies
are landing. It shows him getting the sh*t knocked out of him, resulting in
several cartwheels. I wonder how true that is.
--
Jim in NC

[Roger Halstead]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:44:44 GMT,
(Corky Scott) wrote:

>On 22 Sep 2003 04:23:12 GMT, (B2431) wrote:
>
>>>How high (AGL) would you say he was when directly overhead. Even more
>>>importantly, how much did the prop miss his head by?
>>>--
>>>Jim in NC
>>
>>It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty feet.
>>Still too close.
>>
>>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>I'd say it was a LOT closer than 50 feet. Several observations here:
>The landing gear was stowed and the airplane could have climbed a lot
>more than it did. I think the pilot deliberately stayed low to give
>the reporter a close encounter. It did move over just a bit so that
>the prop would not be directly over the guy.
>
>You can actually see the grass being pushed around by the ground
>effect as the Spitfire passes overhead. It was that low.

I wouldda guessed maybe 3 feet. <:-))

Roger

>
>Corky Scott
>

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

[Jerry Springer]

So what is the history of this? It looks to me like it was staged.
the camera starts panning out and then pans to the right before
the airplane ever gets to the reporter.

Jerry

Roger Halstead wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:44:44 GMT,
> (Corky Scott) wrote:
>
>
>>On 22 Sep 2003 04:23:12 GMT, (B2431) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>How high (AGL) would you say he was when directly overhead. Even more
>>>>importantly, how much did the prop miss his head by?
>>>>--
>>>>Jim in NC
>>>
>>>It appeared to me he was under the right wing tip by about a good fifty feet.
>>>Still too close.
>>>
>>>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>>
>>I'd say it was a LOT closer than 50 feet. Several observations here:
>>The landing gear was stowed and the airplane could have climbed a lot
>>more than it did. I think the pilot deliberately stayed low to give
>>the reporter a close encounter. It did move over just a bit so that
>>the prop would not be directly over the guy.
>>
>>You can actually see the grass being pushed around by the ground
>>effect as the Spitfire passes overhead. It was that low.
>
>
> I wouldda guessed maybe 3 feet. <:-))
>
> Roger
>
>
>>Corky Scott
>>
>
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
> www.rogerhalstead.com
> N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

[David O]

Roger Halstead > wrote:

>I'd like to find the original story. "To me" it appears it was
>staged, but the reporter wasn't in on the "punch line"<:-))
>
>Roger (K8RI)

Oh for goodness sakes, of course the damn thing was staged and of
course the reporter knew about it. What the reporter wasn't ready for
was how loud and how low. Sheesh.

[Barnyard BOb --]

"Morgans" wrote:

>Did you see the movie, "Pushing Tin"? The person in that, relieves some
>stress (or something) by standing right at the end of a runway while heavies
>are landing. It shows him getting the sh*t knocked out of him, resulting in
>several cartwheels.


> I wonder how true that is. <---<<<
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What a lovely troll.


Barnyard BOb --

[Morgans]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Morgans" wrote:
>
> >Did you see the movie, "Pushing Tin"? The person in that, relieves some
> >stress (or something) by standing right at the end of a runway while
heavies
> >are landing. It shows him getting the sh*t knocked out of him, resulting
in
> >several cartwheels.
>
>
> > I wonder how true that is. <---<<<
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> What a lovely troll.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb --
>

Really, BOb! A Troll? I am just seeking scientific verification of movie
special effects. ;-)
--
Jim in NC

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:33:01 GMT, Jerry Springer
> wrote:

>So what is the history of this? It looks to me like it was staged.
>the camera starts panning out and then pans to the right before
>the airplane ever gets to the reporter.

I'd like to find the original story. "To me" it appears it was
staged, but the reporter wasn't in on the "punch line"<:-))

Roger (K8RI)
>

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:20:36 GMT, sean trost >
wrote:

>yer sadistic.....grin.
>Well I can tell you this, I believe that had I been about 50 meters
>north of where I was I would most likely be tumbled like billy bob. The
>Gust I caught was quite fierce.
>
>Sean
>
>Morgans wrote:
>> "sean trost" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>wingtip vortices.
>>>
>>>all the best
>>>Sean Trost
>>
>>
>>
>> So are you saying you enjoyed it? <g>
>>
>> I always wondered how much they would push a person around.
>>
>> Did you see the movie, "Pushing Tin"? The person in that, relieves some
>> stress (or something) by standing right at the end of a runway while heavies
>> are landing. It shows him getting the sh*t knocked out of him, resulting in
>> several cartwheels. I wonder how true that is.

Have you ever seen that training film on jet blast?
As I recall there is a (looks like a 707) would up with brakes locked,
or tied down. A truck drives by maybe 10 to 150 feet behind it. The
whole truck gets, not only blown over, but tumbles across the tarmac
and into the water.

It's a WMV file and I think I have a copy of it around here some
where.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

>> --
>> Jim in NC
>>
>>

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:49:27 GMT, "Eric Miller" >
wrote:

>"Morgans" > wrote
>> I always wondered how much they would push a person around.
>
>Take a look at this staged demonstration of jet blast
>http://www.bobnorris.com/library/fod5.mpg

And I just posted a question if any one had seen this.
I guess I gotta read the whole thread before posting...This is the
clip I was talking about.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>Granted not the same thing, but I'd think jet blast would be LESS than being
>under a heavy.
>And even if it wasn't... you weigh a lot less than the truck in the video.
>
>Eric
>

[Morgans]

"Roger Halstead" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:49:27 GMT, "Eric Miller" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Morgans" > wrote
> >> I always wondered how much they would push a person around.
> >
> >Take a look at this staged demonstration of jet blast
> >http://www.bobnorris.com/library/fod5.mpg
>
> And I just posted a question if any one had seen this.
> I guess I gotta read the whole thread before posting...This is the
> clip I was talking about.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)


I don't think you could compare jet blast and tip vortices, could you?
--
Jim in NC

[Eric Miller]

"Morgans" > wrote
> I don't think you could compare jet blast and tip vortices, could you?

Well, they have to compare somehow. The jet blast generates lift through the
mechanism of the wing. So total downwash should equal, approximate, or at
least be related to jet blast. Granted, jet blast is probably more
concentrated, while downwash is spread over a larger area.

More importantly... I just needed the slightest excuse to post that mpg <big
grin>

Eric

[Roger Halstead]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:19:59 -0400, David O
> wrote:

>
>Roger Halstead > wrote:
>
>>I'd like to find the original story. "To me" it appears it was
>>staged, but the reporter wasn't in on the "punch line"<:-))
>>
>>Roger (K8RI)
>
>Oh for goodness sakes, of course the damn thing was staged and of
>course the reporter knew about it. What the reporter wasn't ready for
>was how loud and how low. Sheesh.
>
I think I just said that.<:-))

Roger

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

[B2431]

>Have you ever seen that training film on jet blast?
>As I recall there is a (looks like a 707) would up with brakes locked,
>or tied down. A truck drives by maybe 10 to 150 feet behind it. The
>whole truck gets, not only blown over, but tumbles across the tarmac
>and into the water.

I used to do engine runs on C-130s. Late at night the SPs would get careless
and drive 20 or 30 feet in front of us. It is truly amazing what max reverse on
all four can do to a cop car especially when the poor guy in the car is not
paying attention.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:43:03 -0400, "Ron Natalie" > wrote:

>> I used to do engine runs on C-130s. Late at night the SPs would get careless
>> and drive 20 or 30 feet in front of us. It is truly amazing what max reverse on
>> all four can do to a cop car especially when the poor guy in the car is not
>> paying attention.
>>
>We had a club Cessna 150 flipped over by a C-130 which ran it's engine up
>(despite the 150 coordinating with the tower and the tower coordinating
>with the 130 that he'd keep them at idle). It was nicely flipped upside
>down. Pilot was OK, until he released his seat belt in the inverted
>position. Oddly enough, I told that story at some time to my kids.
>When they were in a roll over (automobile) accident, Ian said he remembered
>the story and was careful to brace himself before he undid the seatbelt.

About five years ago, I brought my Fly Baby to an airport day at Boeing
Field. See:

http://www.wanttaja.com/flybaby/b-17.jpg

Anyway, there were two Army Chinooks parked about 150 feet from the
homebuilt line. When the first one fired up and taxied out, I pointed the
nose of my Fly Baby towards it and lifted the tail off the ground to a
level flight attitude. But it really wasn't too bad.

But when the SECOND one started...he lifted off the ground and just hovered
there. I had the tailwheel of my plane at shoulder level (giving me a
negative angle of attack) and the 'Baby was STILL rocking back and forth
between the main gear tires....

Ron Wanttaja