Fighting the high cost of flying

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

GA is dying. In fact, it's already dead at many (perhaps most?) airports
across America. The high price of gas, insurance, aircraft, hangars, fees,
training, plus the unreliability and hassle factors have kept all but the
fanatical (a group in which I proudly include myself) away from airports.

Our flying has suffered as well. Even with three pilots in the family, it's
hard to justify flying a plane like Atlas (our Cherokee 235 Pathfinder) that
burns a whopping 25 gph at take-off. There is no way my son could afford to
rent that plane from us, and even renting a Cessna 150 once or twice a month
is almost beyond his financial capability.

So, a group of us started looking for solutions. We wanted to partner on :

- A small, affordable aircraft
- Preferably Light Sport
- Something that burns car gas

Then we started discussing the problem for the kids. A group of us already
have aircraft of our own, and also have children who are pilots (or who want
to be) that simply can't afford to pay the FBO's rental rates.

We also wanted to do something to enhance the social aspects (or lack
thereof) of our airport. All of us are members of FOICA (Friends of Iowa
City Airport) -- a support group that we started several years ago that has
become the social center of the airport -- but we wanted to do something
that would help expand aviation to kids as well as adults, while
simultaneously expanding the social opportunities at the airport.

Thus, the "Family Flying Club" was born. Iowa City Flying Club has
incorporated as a non-profit, with the (somewhat unique) arrangement that
permits two classes of membership:

- Full membership -- this gives you ownership rights and privileges
- Associate membership -- open only to the immediate family members of the
full members, this level allows you full use of the club plane(s) by paying
an hourly rate.

This makes membership far more affordable and attainable for kids, and
encourages family members to take flight lessons.

We have purchased a 1948 Ercoupe -- a cute little 2-seat aircraft that sips
mogas at just 5 gallons per hour. According to my calculations, we can
rent the plane for just $14/hour dry -- a price our kids can easily afford.
We got a good deal on a plane that was in a taxiing accident (one of our
partner/members is my A&P/IA) and will therefore have a minimal amount of
money invested (<$20K), split three ways. And, of course, we can always add
more members, which will reduce that commitment even more.

Here are some pics of our new bird:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2008_-_ercoupe_n94856.htm Cute, no?

It's not LSA certified, unfortunately -- but we discovered that LSA-Ercoupes
are essentially one-person planes. So, we had to look for a model with
greater useful load, which disqualify them for LSA status.

In the end, I think we will have made flying more affordable, in a fun
little plane that we can park in the antique/classic section at OSH. Our
kids can afford to fly it, and (assuming more families join the club) we
should be able to expand our pilot base, while creating an opportunity for
more social interaction at the airport.

Win-win-win!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[piynuB eht eitreB[_5_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:KyS1k.195274$yE1.45725@attbi_s21:

> GA is dying.


No it isn't you fjukktard. The only thing dying are your brain cells.


Bertie

[Rod]

Jay Honeck wrote:


>
> In the end, I think we will have made flying more affordable, in a fun
> little plane that we can park in the antique/classic section at OSH.
> Our kids can afford to fly it, and (assuming more families join the
> club) we should be able to expand our pilot base, while creating an
> opportunity for more social interaction at the airport.
>
> Win-win-win!
>
> :-)
Excellent move, Jay. Looks like a real clean airplane. I think lots of
folks will be making a move in a similar direction. What's the plan for
Atlas.

Rod

[Rod]

Jay Honeck wrote:


>
> In the end, I think we will have made flying more affordable, in a fun
> little plane that we can park in the antique/classic section at OSH.
> Our kids can afford to fly it, and (assuming more families join the
> club) we should be able to expand our pilot base, while creating an
> opportunity for more social interaction at the airport.
>
> Win-win-win!
>
> :-)
Excellent move, Jay. Looks like a real clean airplane. I think lots of
folks will be making a move in a similar direction. What's the plan for
Atlas.

Rod

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Excellent move, Jay. Looks like a real clean airplane. I think lots of
> folks will be making a move in a similar direction. What's the plan for
> Atlas.

Well, for now we're planning to keep Atlas. With a 1460 pound useful load,
and 140 knot speeds, it allows us to be in Florida in just 5 hours,
Wisconsin in 90 minutes, Kansas City in two hours, etc.

The Ercoupe will be a fun little 95 mph plane, but a cross-country family
hauler it is not... Of course, once the kids are grown and out of the
house, will we still need a minivan/airplane? Probably not.

It really depends on what happens with 100LL and the cost of fuel in
general.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Rod" > wrote in message
.. .
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>
>>
>> In the end, I think we will have made flying more affordable, in a fun
>> little plane that we can park in the antique/classic section at OSH.
>> Our kids can afford to fly it, and (assuming more families join the club)
>> we should be able to expand our pilot base, while creating an opportunity
>> for more social interaction at the airport.
>>
>> Win-win-win!
>>
>> :-)
> Excellent move, Jay. Looks like a real clean airplane. I think lots of
> folks will be making a move in a similar direction. What's the plan for
> Atlas.
>
> Rod

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:%8_1k.141525$TT4.88494@attbi_s22:

>> Excellent move, Jay. Looks like a real clean airplane. I think lots
>> of folks will be making a move in a similar direction. What's the
>> plan for Atlas.
>
> Well, for now we're planning to keep Atlas. With a 1460 pound useful
> load, and 140 knot speeds, it allows us to be in Florida in just 5
> hours, Wisconsin in 90 minutes, Kansas City in two hours, etc.
>
> The Ercoupe will be a fun little 95 mph plane, but a cross-country
> family hauler it is not... Of course, once the kids are grown and
> out of the house, will we still need a minivan/airplane? Probably
> not.
>
> It really depends on what happens with 100LL and the cost of fuel in
> general.

I'm sure florida Wisconsin and Kansas city are waiting your decision with
bated breath.


Bertie

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Jun 5, 6:54 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > Excellent move, Jay. Looks like a real clean airplane. I think lots of
> > folks will be making a move in a similar direction. What's the plan for
> > Atlas.
>
> Well, for now we're planning to keep Atlas. With a 1460 pound useful load,
> and 140 knot speeds, it allows us to be in Florida in just 5 hours,
> Wisconsin in 90 minutes, Kansas City in two hours, etc.
>
> The Ercoupe will be a fun little 95 mph plane, but a cross-country family
> hauler it is not... Of course, once the kids are grown and out of the
> house, will we still need a minivan/airplane? Probably not.
>
> It really depends on what happens with 100LL and the cost of fuel in
> general.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination""Rod" > wrote in message
>
> .. .
>


Just having returned from a 400NM trip, I have to say there are other
reasons besides fuel cost that is against GA. Today's automobiles have
come a long way in comfort, speed and convenience. The same level of
comfort only exists in airplanes that cost several million bucks.

The 95F heat this afternoon made the 10 minute taxi and run-up feel
like an eternity. Even with the cabin fan at full blast we were
suffocating by the time we took off. Then there was the 30 knots
headwind all the way, which increased the trip time by a full hour.
Even with ANR, the noise was physically draining. Now combine this
with a 2-year old in the back seat. I find it is impossible to justify
to your family that this is better way of traveling.

I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.

[Jon Woellhaf]

Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel. No
traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can wander a
quarter mile left or right.

Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours. $200 for
fuel. None of the above.

I'd still rather fly when I can.

Jon

[Jack Mehoff[_2_]]

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel. No
> traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can wander a
> quarter mile left or right.
>
> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours. $200 for
> fuel. None of the above.
>
> I'd still rather fly when I can.
>
> Jon
>
>

Limber up those calf muscles boy

Between two oilmen in the White House and
the impending ass busting Iran is going to
get we will all be on bicycles soon

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
...
>
> Just having returned from a 400NM trip, I have to say there are other
> reasons besides fuel cost that is against GA. Today's automobiles have
> come a long way in comfort, speed and convenience. The same level of
> comfort only exists in airplanes that cost several million bucks.
>
> The 95F heat this afternoon made the 10 minute taxi and run-up feel
> like an eternity. Even with the cabin fan at full blast we were
> suffocating by the time we took off. Then there was the 30 knots
> headwind all the way, which increased the trip time by a full hour.
> Even with ANR, the noise was physically draining. Now combine this
> with a 2-year old in the back seat. I find it is impossible to justify
> to your family that this is better way of traveling.
>
> I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
> an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
> it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
> definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
> less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.
>

Noise, vibration and temperature.

In the past 40 years, the improvement in the automobile has been remarkable,
in the comparable aircraft, almost no change at all.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
> news:f6423c42-6781-4f01-bb32-36092af60689
@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>>
>> Just having returned from a 400NM trip, I have to say there are other
>> reasons besides fuel cost that is against GA. Today's automobiles
>> have come a long way in comfort, speed and convenience. The same
>> level of comfort only exists in airplanes that cost several million
>> bucks.
>>
>> The 95F heat this afternoon made the 10 minute taxi and run-up feel
>> like an eternity. Even with the cabin fan at full blast we were
>> suffocating by the time we took off. Then there was the 30 knots
>> headwind all the way, which increased the trip time by a full hour.
>> Even with ANR, the noise was physically draining. Now combine this
>> with a 2-year old in the back seat. I find it is impossible to
>> justify to your family that this is better way of traveling.
>>
>> I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
>> an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
>> it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
>> definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
>> less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.
>>
>
> Noise, vibration and temperature.
>
> In the past 40 years, the improvement in the automobile has been
> remarkable, in the comparable aircraft, almost no change at all.
>
>

Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron.


Bertie
>

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
> Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron.
>
>
> Bertie


You really are thick, aren't you.

You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:66u2k.114$QN1.40
@newsfe15.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> You really are thick, aren't you.
>

Thicker than you can handle.


> You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.
>


Nope, mine are accurate.



Bertie

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> You really are thick, aren't you.
>>
>
> Thicker than you can handle.
>
>
>> You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.
>>
>
>
> Nope, mine are accurate.
>
>
>
> Bertie

What a dumb ass. Are you really to stupid to see that you are actually
resolving yourself, through your own actions?

I think a whole lot of people, have given you way too much credit. You prove
yourself more and more incompetent every day!

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> You really are thick, aren't you.
>>>
>>
>> Thicker than you can handle.
>>
>>
>>> You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Nope, mine are accurate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> What a dumb ass. Are you really to stupid to see that you are actually
> resolving yourself, through your own actions?


Resolving myself? Bwawahwhahwhahwh!


Do you even own a dictionary, fjukkard?

>
> I think a whole lot of people, have given you way too much credit. You
> prove yourself more and more incompetent every day!

Actually, I haven't.



Bertie

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
> an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
> it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
> definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
> less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.

That's so ironic, since I just subjected my family to a 1,000 mile *drive*
to Detroit (and back) for the Red Bull Air Races. At first, the kids were
happy, saying "Boy, we've never done anything like this before!"

At hour three, they started to get restless, but were still generally happy.

By hour five, they wanted out.

By hour eight, they never wanted to drive anywhere again. This trip was
the best sales pitch for personal flying, ever -- except for those pesky
Level 5 storms that just wouldn't move away...

Re: Comfort levels. Atlas has XM radio, in-panel CD and (portable) DVD
players, and the back seats are positively spacious -- so the kids'
experience flying has been almost 100% positive since birth. It's at least
as comfortable as driving, with the advantage of having a great view.

Of course, all of that goes away if (when?) gas prices double again.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:sQv2k.197984$yE1.110862@attbi_s21:

>> I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
>> an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive
>> it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was
>> definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far
>> less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips.
>
> That's so ironic, since I just subjected my family to a 1,000 mile
> *drive* to Detroit (and back) for the Red Bull Air Races.

I'll alert Child Protection. Noone should be subjected to you for that
length of time.



Bertie

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" > wrote:
> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel. No
> traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can wander a
> quarter mile left or right.
>
> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours. $200 for
> fuel. None of the above.
>
> I'd still rather fly when I can.
>
> Jon

Here is my latest trip:
Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid
and noisy.
Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.

A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.

I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
the car, the time savings start to disappear.


As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a
mode of transportation, but I don't see how.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Andrew Sarangan > wrote in
:

> On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" > wrote:
>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel.
>> No traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can
>> wander a quarter mile left or right.
>>
>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours.
>> $200 for fuel. None of the above.
>>
>> I'd still rather fly when I can.
>>
>> Jon
>
> Here is my latest trip:
> Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid
> and noisy.
> Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
> comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.
>
> A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.
>
> I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
> and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
> the car, the time savings start to disappear.
>

'twas always thus.
>
> As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a
> mode of transportation, but I don't see how.


You can't and never could. Not unless you had a 310 and someone else was
paying for it.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:BtA2k.3645$yi.2350
@newsfe13.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Andrew Sarangan > wrote in
>> news:74a26acb-98d2-4ba3-9005-
:
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" > wrote:
>>>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for
fuel.
>>>> No traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit,
can
>>>> wander a quarter mile left or right.
>>>>
>>>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours.
>>>> $200 for fuel. None of the above.
>>>>
>>>> I'd still rather fly when I can.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>
>>> Here is my latest trip:
>>> Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot
humid
>>> and noisy.
>>> Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
>>> comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.
>>>
>>> A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.
>>>
>>> I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
>>> and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
>>> the car, the time savings start to disappear.
>>>
>>
>> 'twas always thus.
>>>
>>> As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as
a
>>> mode of transportation, but I don't see how.
>>
>>
>> You can't and never could. Not unless you had a 310 and someone else
was
>> paying for it.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> Geez, what a dumb ass.


How so, fjukktard?



Bertie

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew Sarangan > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" > wrote:
>>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel.
>>> No traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can
>>> wander a quarter mile left or right.
>>>
>>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours.
>>> $200 for fuel. None of the above.
>>>
>>> I'd still rather fly when I can.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>
>> Here is my latest trip:
>> Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid
>> and noisy.
>> Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
>> comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.
>>
>> A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.
>>
>> I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
>> and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
>> the car, the time savings start to disappear.
>>
>
> 'twas always thus.
>>
>> As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a
>> mode of transportation, but I don't see how.
>
>
> You can't and never could. Not unless you had a 310 and someone else was
> paying for it.
>
> Bertie
>

Geez, what a dumb ass.

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
> Re: Comfort levels. Atlas has XM radio, in-panel CD and (portable) DVD
> players, and the back seats are positively spacious -- so the kids'
> experience flying has been almost 100% positive since birth.

this you can also provide in a car.

total time (door to door) within a smaller radius from home brings a car
ahead in time (and comfort, too: no loading, preflight, security checks
- if any, weather, ...). When there are no more or less direct roads
between you and your destination then flying might still be a good
alternative.

#m

[Matt Whiting]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" > wrote:
>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel. No
>> traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can wander a
>> quarter mile left or right.
>>
>> Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours. $200 for
>> fuel. None of the above.
>>
>> I'd still rather fly when I can.
>>
>> Jon
>
> Here is my latest trip:
> Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid
> and noisy.
> Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C,
> comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running.
>
> A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k.
>
> I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi
> and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from
> the car, the time savings start to disappear.
>
>
> As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a
> mode of transportation, but I don't see how.
>

Take longer trips!

Matt

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Matt Whiting wrote:
>> As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a
>> mode of transportation, but I don't see how.
>>
>
> Take longer trips!


Damned hard to drive to the Bahamas.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Mxsmanic]

Matt Whiting writes:

> Take longer trips!

Justifying it requires making it economical for the trips one wishes to take,
not finding trips that will make it seem economical.

[Buster Hymen]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Matt Whiting writes:
>
>> Take longer trips!
>
> Justifying it requires making it economical for the trips one wishes
> to take, not finding trips that will make it seem economical.
>

Proving yet again, Anthony, that you're a moron.

[Mxsmanic]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes:

> Damned hard to drive to the Bahamas.

Difficult to fly there, too, in a small aircraft. It's a seven-hour flight
non-stop from Buffalo, much of it over water.

[Buster Hymen]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes:
>
>> Damned hard to drive to the Bahamas.
>
> Difficult to fly there, too, in a small aircraft. It's a seven-hour
> flight non-stop from Buffalo, much of it over water.
>

Only an imbecile like you would come up with that Anthony. But, since you
don't know **** from shinola about flying, its no wonder you spew out crap.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes:
>
>> Damned hard to drive to the Bahamas.
>
> Difficult to fly there, too, in a small aircraft. It's a seven-hour
> flight non-stop from Buffalo, much of it over water.
>

What, you carry your monitor over the sink on long overwater passages, do
you?

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Matt Whiting writes:
>
>> Take longer trips!
>
> Justifying it requires making it economical for the trips one wishes
> to take, not finding trips that will make it seem economical.
>

Nope.


Bertie

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Buster Hymen wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes:
>>
>>> Damned hard to drive to the Bahamas.
>>
>> Difficult to fly there, too, in a small aircraft. It's a seven-hour
>> flight non-stop from Buffalo, much of it over water.
>>
>
> Only an imbecile like you would come up with that Anthony. But, since you
> don't know **** from shinola about flying, its no wonder you spew out crap.


I wouldn't have known that idiot tried to answer my comment, seeing as how he's
been in my killfile for many moons. All I can do is shake my head, and remember
the many trips I've flown to the Abacos from North Carolina.... almost every one
of them in a single. The aircraft doesn't know what it's flying over.

Of course, maybe his simulator just doesn't have the range.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[[email protected]]

>
> total time (door to door) within a smaller radius from home brings a car
> ahead in time (and comfort, too: no loading, preflight, security checks
> - if any, weather, ...). When there are no more or less direct roads
> between you and your destination then flying might still be a good
> alternative.
>
> #m

True,

I just made a trip from EHHO to LKOL in my C150, that is about 7 hours
in the air or about 10 door to door. Easily done in one day.
By car the minimum is about 12 hours but that means driving tru the
night to avoid rush hour(s). Normally it is about 14 hours.
So, if the weather is okay I'll take the plane.

-Kees.