I've had it.

[Bob Gardner]

I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the temptation.
The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is very little "meat"
in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster interested in learning
anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out in the AOPA Forum, Pilots
of America, and Purple boards.

Bob Gardner

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bob Gardner wrote:
> I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the
> temptation. The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is
> very little "meat" in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster
> interested in learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out
> in the AOPA Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.
>
> Bob Gardner
>
Bob;
I'm registering today on Pilots of America and I'll hit the AOPA forum
as well.
Hope to see you there.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Jim Logajan]

"Bob Gardner" > wrote:
> I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the
> temptation. The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is
> very little "meat" in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster
> interested in learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang
> out in the AOPA Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.

If you're still reading any of this, what are the Purple boards?

[gatt[_5_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Bob Gardner wrote:

> Bob;
> I'm registering today on Pilots of America and I'll hit the AOPA forum
> as well. Hope to see you there.

I registered on one today and am already registered on the other, but,
it's a shame it has to be that way. Seems like a two or three years ago
this was a very productive and informative forum. Usenet has pretty
much become an anarchic wasteland. I suppose any public forum will
eventually decay into that sort of thing eventually.

-c

[Blueskies]

"gatt" > wrote in message ...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Bob Gardner wrote:
>
>> Bob;
>> I'm registering today on Pilots of America and I'll hit the AOPA forum
>> as well. Hope to see you there.
>
> I registered on one today and am already registered on the other, but,
> it's a shame it has to be that way. Seems like a two or three years ago
> this was a very productive and informative forum. Usenet has pretty
> much become an anarchic wasteland. I suppose any public forum will
> eventually decay into that sort of thing eventually.
>
> -c
>

That is the reason for Web 2.0...

[Hilton]

Bob Gardner wrote:
>I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the temptation.
>The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is very little
>"meat" in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster interested in
>learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out in the AOPA
>Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.

That's a little unfair, I'm here to learn as are many other people. I think
there are many pilots here wanting to teach, discuss, and learn, but people
insist on feeding the trolls and going off on tangents, both which dilute
the good information with noise. Also, there are many folks out there that
never post, but read the posts to learn - you never hear of many of these
pilots. I do see your point though.

Hilton

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Hilton wrote:
> Bob Gardner wrote:
>> I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the temptation.
>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is very little
>> "meat" in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster interested in
>> learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out in the AOPA
>> Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.
>
> That's a little unfair, I'm here to learn as are many other people. I think
> there are many pilots here wanting to teach, discuss, and learn, but people
> insist on feeding the trolls and going off on tangents, both which dilute
> the good information with noise. Also, there are many folks out there that
> never post, but read the posts to learn - you never hear of many of these
> pilots. I do see your point though.
>
> Hilton
>
>
I have to admit it Hilton. I agree with Bob. The pain is getting to be
more than the gain. I'm still posting here, but I'm not at all as
enthusiastic about it as I once was.
To tell you the honest truth, my back channel email with pilots is now
much broader than any participation I have on Usenet.
No big deal one way or the other but let's just say it "ain't no fun any
more :-)))"

--
Dudley Henriques

[B A R R Y]

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:13:59 -0400, "Blueskies"
> wrote:

>
>That is the reason for Web 2.0...


Usenet isn't the Web.

[B A R R Y]

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:54:54 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>>
>I have to admit it Hilton. I agree with Bob. The pain is getting to be
>more than the gain. I'm still posting here, but I'm not at all as
>enthusiastic about it as I once was.

I "mark all read", without reading anything, much more than I would
like to. 99% of the messages are two feuding pedantics and one simmer
with issues.

The sad part is that I *like* unmoderated forums, and prefer
newsreaders over web forums. Many web forums use software that is
such a pain to follow, I never go back more than a few times.

[gatt[_5_]]

Hilton wrote:
> Bob Gardner wrote:

>>I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the temptation.
>>The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.

> That's a little unfair, I'm here to learn as are many other people. I think
> there are many pilots here wanting to teach, discuss, and learn, but people
> insist on feeding the trolls and going off on tangents, both which dilute
> the good information with noise.

Yeah. I suppose Bob has already left the building, but, you're right.
Right now I'm taking a break from writing CFI lesson plans, and all over
my desk I have the sources I've been using and referencing:

1. Aviation Instructor's Handbook, FAA-8083-9
2. Airplane Flying Handbook, FAA-8083-3A
3. ASA CFI Test Prep
4. 2008 FAR/AIM
5. Sporty's Training Course Outline
6. "The Flight Instructor's Manual" by William Kershner and
7. "Say Again Please - Guide to Radio Communications by Bob Gardner.

I've been thinking about punching out of r.a groups too because they've
become the new urban CB radio. That's my choice, but, it's a real
damned shame that the sheer volume juvenile behavior on this forum has
driven off yet another respected and recommended aviation expert, from
whom many of us have gained or could gain knowledge and proficiency.

I'm disappointed and disgusted. Any one of his posts might be more
useful to general aviation and pilots than the last four or five
thousand name-calling flamefest posts out here by a handful of people
who have sullied the forum's usefulness. It's one thing to have
flamewar or argument threads that people can choose to ignore, but when
the bickering inevitably spills over to every single discussion in the
forum, then the flame has spread from the fireplace to the whole house
and it can no longer serve its purpose. There are plenty of other forums
for yelling and insulting and acting like babies. Let's leave the fire
in the fireplace and the turds in the toilet and try to reserve this
forum for the discussion of aviation.


-C. Gattman
CP-ASEL-IA-AGI - CFI Candidate - Sim Geek - Student Pilot

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

on 6/6/2008 2:39 PM gatt said the following:
> Usenet has pretty much become an anarchic wasteland.

Nothing new about that...

"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."

--Gene Spafford, 1992

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

on 6/6/2008 4:07 PM B A R R Y said the following:
> On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:13:59 -0400, "Blueskies"
> > wrote:
>
>> That is the reason for Web 2.0...
>
> Usenet isn't the Web.

It didn't even originate on the internet.

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

Aren't lesson plans fun? :) Don't take them lightly. You will learn a lot,
not only about aviation, but about teaching and about yourself as a teacher.
The time spent developing your own set of lesson plans is time very well
spent.
Jim

[Blueskies]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message ...
> On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:13:59 -0400, "Blueskies"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>That is the reason for Web 2.0...
>
>
> Usenet isn't the Web.

True too, but the traceability and personal responsibility parts are the same. When folks use their real name they do
tend to act different...

[Blueskies]

"gatt" > wrote in message . ..
>
> Yeah. I suppose Bob has already left the building, but, you're right.
> Right now I'm taking a break from writing CFI lesson plans, and all over
> my desk I have the sources I've been using and referencing:
>
> 1. Aviation Instructor's Handbook, FAA-8083-9
> 2. Airplane Flying Handbook, FAA-8083-3A
> 3. ASA CFI Test Prep
> 4. 2008 FAR/AIM
> 5. Sporty's Training Course Outline
> 6. "The Flight Instructor's Manual" by William Kershner and
> 7. "Say Again Please - Guide to Radio Communications by Bob Gardner.
>
>
> -C. Gattman
> CP-ASEL-IA-AGI - CFI Candidate - Sim Geek - Student Pilot

Hey, post some of your plans...I'd like to see one

[gatt[_5_]]

Jim Burns wrote:
> Aren't lesson plans fun? :) Don't take them lightly. You will learn a lot,
> not only about aviation, but about teaching and about yourself as a teacher.
> The time spent developing your own set of lesson plans is time very well
> spent.
> Jim

I made my own template based on the FOI examples and referred to the
Sporty's training course plans for sequencing. I'd rather use a
documented structure than have my first students be guinea pigs to my
own ideas about how to teach.

Modified the Sporty's sequencing quite a bit to cover the special
emphasis areas and because the FBO I'll be working out of is at a
towered airport underlying a Class C shelf. A student starting there
will need to know about radio communications, towered airport operations
and airspace rules much earlier than somebody flying out of a rural
untowered airport.

I referred to Kershner and Gardner for individual lessons on maneuvers,
radio communications, etc. which is what I'm finishing up now. It seems
a little tedious at first but once the template is done it goes pretty
fast. Reseaching concepts, organizing bullet points and visuals, and
finding ways of explaining things has been -much- more beneficial than
sitting in a ground school lecture or plodding through a textbook.

-c
Went up with Steven (NWPilot) in his C-150 last Saturday and did
"falling leaf" stalls. That was a blast.

[Jim Logajan]

B A R R Y > wrote:
> I "mark all read", without reading anything, much more than I would
> like to. 99% of the messages are two feuding pedantics and one simmer
> with issues.

I am skipping over quite a few posts myself - but I'm afraid I have helped
contribute to the noise problem by responding to a few of the feuding
parties.

> The sad part is that I *like* unmoderated forums, and prefer
> newsreaders over web forums. Many web forums use software that is
> such a pain to follow, I never go back more than a few times.

Agreed on the web forum software - most of the sites in question use the
same software, alas. Its mechanism for threading makes browsing multiple
threads painful.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"gatt" > wrote in message
. ..
<...>
>
> I referred to Kershner and Gardner for individual lessons on maneuvers,
> radio communications, etc. which is what I'm finishing up now. It seems a
> little tedious at first but once the template is done it goes pretty fast.
> Reseaching concepts, organizing bullet points and visuals, and finding
> ways of explaining things has been -much- more beneficial than sitting in
> a ground school lecture or plodding through a textbook.
>

Not a flight instructor, but I will say that I learn a lot more standing in
front of a classroom than I would have as a student...

The first time you teach something is by far the hardest.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Bob Gardner" wrote:

> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.

You quit easily.

Surprising.

--
Dan

T182T at 4R4

[gatt[_5_]]

Blueskies wrote:

>>
>> -C. Gattman
>> CP-ASEL-IA-AGI - CFI Candidate - Sim Geek - Student Pilot
>
>
> Hey, post some of your plans...I'd like to see one

I sent you a PM with (virus-scanned) Word files attached. I tried
pasting one into a reply but the formatting looked awful.

-chris

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Bob Gardner" wrote:
>
>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
>
> You quit easily.
>
> Surprising.
>
Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Jim Logajan > wrote in
:

> B A R R Y > wrote:
>> I "mark all read", without reading anything, much more than I would
>> like to. 99% of the messages are two feuding pedantics and one
>> simmer with issues.
>
> I am skipping over quite a few posts myself - but I'm afraid I have
> helped contribute to the noise problem by responding to a few of the
> feuding parties.

I hope you don't mean me! I'm not fueding with anyone. I just post. I would
never be so rude as to not to respond to any post directed even remotely my
way...



Bertie

[Jim Burns]

"gatt" > wrote in message
> -c
> Went up with Steven (NWPilot) in his C-150 last Saturday and did "falling
> leaf" stalls. That was a blast.

I also created and used a template, then modified it to fit my local and
personal situations. Great idea. Also, be sure to get a complete set of
the appropriate AC's. A few years ago another CFI on the groups had a list
floating around that I found very useful.

I "heard" about you flying with NWPilot.... he called Jay Honeck while we
were in Detroit on Saturday and mentioned flying with you. Keep up the good
work and have fun.

Jim

[Rod]

Blueskies wrote:

>>> Bob;
>>> I'm registering today on Pilots of America and I'll hit the AOPA
>>> forum as well. Hope to see you there.
>>
Which AOPA forum are you guys using. I am a member, of course, but
never noticed any forum. What section is it in?

rod

[Jim Logajan]

Rod > wrote:
> Blueskies wrote:
>
>>>> Bob;
>>>> I'm registering today on Pilots of America and I'll hit the AOPA
>>>> forum as well. Hope to see you there.
>>>
> Which AOPA forum are you guys using. I am a member, of course, but
> never noticed any forum. What section is it in?

This is the URL:

http://forums.aopa.org/

The forums link appears way down on the lower right hand corner of the main
AOPA web page under the less-than-clear header "Join the community of AOPA
Members".

[Blueskies]

"gatt" > wrote in message . ..
> Blueskies wrote:
>
>>>
>>> -C. Gattman
>>> CP-ASEL-IA-AGI - CFI Candidate - Sim Geek - Student Pilot
>>
>>
>> Hey, post some of your plans...I'd like to see one
>
> I sent you a PM with (virus-scanned) Word files attached. I tried
> pasting one into a reply but the formatting looked awful.
>
> -chris

didja fix the address? blueskies at
ameritech dot net

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
> I hope you don't mean me! I'm not fueding with anyone. I just post. I
> would
> never be so rude as to not to respond to any post directed even remotely
> my
> way...
>
>
>
> Bertie

Liar. You'll answer anything, Squirty.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I hope you don't mean me! I'm not fueding with anyone. I just post. I
>> would
>> never be so rude as to not to respond to any post directed even
>> remotely my
>> way...
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Liar. You'll answer anything, Squirty.
>
>

Well, seeing as how all of your poasts are directed towards me...

But anything? Nope.



Bertie

[Christopher Brian Colohan]

Dudley Henriques > writes:
> I have to admit it Hilton. I agree with Bob.

Ditto -- I just registered with pilotsofamerica too. The s/n ratio
here is getting too low...

Chris

[Lou]

On Jun 6, 8:11 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Rod > wrote:
> > Blueskies wrote:
>
> >>>> Bob;
> >>>> I'm registering today on Pilots of America and I'll hit the AOPA
> >>>> forum as well. Hope to see you there.
>
> > Which AOPA forum are you guys using. I am a member, of course, but
> > never noticed any forum. What section is it in?
>
> This is the URL:
>
> http://forums.aopa.org/
>
> The forums link appears way down on the lower right hand corner of the main
> AOPA web page under the less-than-clear header "Join the community of AOPA
> Members".

Thank you, I find it hard to believe but they actually talk about
aviation
related topics.
Lou

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
>>
>> You quit easily.
>>
>> Surprising.
>>
> Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.

Me, too.

Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably into an
ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by validating his
existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy this group, and in
doing so have deprived ourselves of a great piloting forum.

Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.

Farewell, Bob. It's been an honor knowing you.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Me, too.
>
> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
> into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
> validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
> this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great piloting
> forum.
>
> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
>
> Farewell, Bob. It's been an honor knowing you.

Check out the Pilots of America forums. It's moderated, the group is
savvy and friendly, and no nonsense. I just this moment got a post from
Bob. Actually, if you have the time, spread the word to Montblack and
the rest of your email loop as well.
Hope to see you over there. I posted a simple hello post and received 10
answers welcoming me over there; not a negative or unrelated to aviation
response in the bunch :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Gezellig[_2_]]

Dudley Henriques blithered dramatically whilst picking the gonad hairs
from his teeth once fluffy on the testicles of his retaded son :
> Jay Honeck wrote:

>> Me, too.
>>
>> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably into
>> an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by validating his
>> existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy this group, and in
>> doing so have deprived ourselves of a great piloting forum.
>>
>> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
>>
>> Farewell, Bob. It's been an honor knowing you.

> Check out the Pilots of America forums. It's moderated, the group is savvy
> and friendly, and no nonsense. I just this moment got a post from Bob.
> Actually, if you have the time, spread the word to Montblack and the rest of
> your email loop as well.
> Hope to see you over there. I posted a simple hello post and received 10
> answers welcoming me over there; not a negative or unrelated to aviation
> response in the bunch :-)

One note. If you use a free email address, you may have to wait for
access (gmail, yahoo, hotmail, etc).

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Check out the Pilots of America forums. It's moderated, the group is
> savvy and friendly, and no nonsense. I just this moment got a post from
> Bob. Actually, if you have the time, spread the word to Montblack and
> the rest of your email loop as well.
> Hope to see you over there. I posted a simple hello post and received 10
> answers welcoming me over there; not a negative or unrelated to aviation
> response in the bunch :-)

Done! Thanks for the tip...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jon Woellhaf]

With all you guys leaving, pretty soon I'll have this group all to myself.
<g>

[George]

On Jun 6, 8:22*pm, "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote:
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in .com...
>
>
>
> > I hope you don't mean me! I'm not fueding with anyone. I just post. I
> > would
> > never be so rude as to not to respond to any post directed even remotely
> > my
> > way...
>
> > Bertie
>
> Liar. You'll answer anything, Squirty.

Here they come.
Just like little children will find their way into the middle of just
about anything adults are trying to do.

G

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:I3n2k.143293$TT4.133225@attbi_s22:

>>>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
>>>
>>> You quit easily.
>>>
>>> Surprising.
>>>
>> Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.
>
> Me, too.
>
> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
> into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
> validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
> this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great
> piloting forum.
>
> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.

I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.


Bertie

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
> I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.
>
>
> Bertie

No, you didn't do anything but post nonsense. You are an idiot, you post
nonsense.

Never mind, we will remind you again later.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:3Zt2k.113$QN1.103
@newsfe15.lga:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> No, you didn't do anything but post nonsense. You are an idiot, you post
> nonsense.


Nope.


>
> Never mind, we will remind you again later.


I'm sure you will try.



Bertie
>
>
>

[Rod]

I am a member, of course, but
>> never noticed any forum. What section is it in?
>
> This is the URL:
>
> http://forums.aopa.org/


Thanks. I got it.

rod

[Darkwing]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> Me, too.
>>
>> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably into
>> an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by validating his
>> existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy this group, and
>> in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great piloting forum.
>>
>> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
>>
>> Farewell, Bob. It's been an honor knowing you.
>
> Check out the Pilots of America forums. It's moderated, the group is savvy
> and friendly, and no nonsense. I just this moment got a post from Bob.
> Actually, if you have the time, spread the word to Montblack and the rest
> of your email loop as well.
> Hope to see you over there. I posted a simple hello post and received 10
> answers welcoming me over there; not a negative or unrelated to aviation
> response in the bunch :-)
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

About time my AOPA membership came in handy!

[Kyle Boatright]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
> news:I3n2k.143293$TT4.133225@attbi_s22:
>
>>>>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
>>>>
>>>> You quit easily.
>>>>
>>>> Surprising.
>>>>
>>> Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.
>>
>> Me, too.
>>
>> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
>> into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
>> validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
>> this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great
>> piloting forum.
>>
>> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
>
> I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.
>
>
> Bertie

That's like the guy who pooped in the swimming pool wondering why everyone
is getting out of the water.

Bertie, you've done more damage to this NG than Mx, Splappy, or a dozen
others who preceeded you. Your behavior here is inexcusable.

KB

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>> news:I3n2k.143293$TT4.133225@attbi_s22:
>>
>>>>>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> You quit easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surprising.
>>>>>
>>>> Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.
>>>
>>> Me, too.
>>>
>>> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
>>> into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
>>> validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
>>> this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great
>>> piloting forum.
>>>
>>> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
>>
>> I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> That's like the guy who pooped in the swimming pool wondering why everyone
> is getting out of the water.
>
> Bertie, you've done more damage to this NG than Mx, Splappy, or a dozen
> others who preceeded you. Your behavior here is inexcusable.
>
> KB

Thanks for the help Kyle. I'm glad somebody has some balls around here.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>>> news:I3n2k.143293$TT4.133225@attbi_s22:
>>>
>>>>>>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You quit easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surprising.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.
>>>>
>>>> Me, too.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving
>>>> inexorably into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as
>>>> pilots -- by validating his existence -- have allowed his mental
>>>> illness to destroy this group, and in doing so have deprived
>>>> ourselves of a great piloting forum.
>>>>
>>>> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us
>>>> all.
>>>
>>> I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> That's like the guy who pooped in the swimming pool wondering why
>> everyone is getting out of the water.
>>
>> Bertie, you've done more damage to this NG than Mx, Splappy, or a
>> dozen others who preceeded you. Your behavior here is inexcusable.
>>
>> KB
>
> Thanks for the help Kyle. I'm glad somebody has some balls around
> here.


We won't go inot your preferences , if you don't mind.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
>> news:I3n2k.143293$TT4.133225@attbi_s22:
>>
>>>>>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> You quit easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surprising.
>>>>>
>>>> Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.
>>>
>>> Me, too.
>>>
>>> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
>>> into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
>>> validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to
>>> destroy this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a
>>> great piloting forum.
>>>
>>> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us
>>> all.
>>
>> I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> That's like the guy who pooped in the swimming pool wondering why
> everyone is getting out of the water.
>
> Bertie, you've done more damage to this NG than Mx, Splappy, or a
> dozen others who preceeded you. Your behavior here is inexcusable.
>

Moi?

Bertie

[Max Isn't Well]

In article >, Kyle
Boatright says...

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
> > news:I3n2k.143293$TT4.133225@attbi_s22:
> >
> >>>>> The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.
> >>>>
> >>>> You quit easily.
> >>>>
> >>>> Surprising.
> >>>>
> >>> Not in the least. I understand his reasoning completely.
> >>
> >> Me, too.
> >>
> >> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
> >> into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
> >> validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
> >> this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great
> >> piloting forum.
> >>
> >> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
> >
> > I didn't do anything but poast, idiot.
> >
> >
> > Bertie
>
> That's like the guy who pooped in the swimming pool wondering why everyone
> is getting out of the water.
>
> Bertie, you've done more damage to this NG than Mx, Splappy, or a dozen
> others who preceeded you. Your behavior here is inexcusable.

How does one "damage" a newsfroup?

Do you even really know what one *is*?

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Kyle Boatright" > wrote:

> Bertie, you've done more damage to this NG than Mx, Splappy, or a dozen
> others who preceeded you. Your behavior here is inexcusable.

shack!

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "BG" == Bob Gardner > writes:

BG> I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the
BG> temptation. The rec.aviation newsgroups have become
BG> useless. There is very little "meat" in the
BG> postings...sushidot is about the only poster interested in
BG> learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out in
BG> the AOPA Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.

I might follow you there also. The kooks and attention seekers have
taken over any forum not moderated. These days, building an RV, the
only half-useful forum is Vans Air Force, which is moderated. I've
heard the AOPA Forum is anti-experimental but I'll give it a go.

Too bad, because the Usenet format is still far superior to the
"forum" format. Very low bandwidth required for pure text and all
groups in one convenient tool (your newsreader). Using GNUS (Emacs) I
can get through a dozen different groups in 2 to 3 minutes. With the
online, web-based forums it takes far longer to cruise through the
posts. Gotta love the old Un*x tools, still the best for productivity.
--
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
~ Galileo Galilei

[Matt Whiting]

Bob Fry wrote:
>>>>>> "BG" == Bob Gardner > writes:
>
> BG> I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the
> BG> temptation. The rec.aviation newsgroups have become
> BG> useless. There is very little "meat" in the
> BG> postings...sushidot is about the only poster interested in
> BG> learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out in
> BG> the AOPA Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.
>
> I might follow you there also. The kooks and attention seekers have
> taken over any forum not moderated. These days, building an RV, the
> only half-useful forum is Vans Air Force, which is moderated. I've
> heard the AOPA Forum is anti-experimental but I'll give it a go.
>
> Too bad, because the Usenet format is still far superior to the
> "forum" format. Very low bandwidth required for pure text and all
> groups in one convenient tool (your newsreader). Using GNUS (Emacs) I
> can get through a dozen different groups in 2 to 3 minutes. With the
> online, web-based forums it takes far longer to cruise through the
> posts. Gotta love the old Un*x tools, still the best for productivity.

I agree. I participate in a couple of motorcycle forums and find the
user interface overly complex and hard to use as compared to good old
usenet. Some things were just right from the start and usenet is one of
them.

Matt

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Jun 6, 11:46 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
> > Me, too.
>
> > Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
> > into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
> > validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
> > this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great piloting
> > forum.
>
> > Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
>
> > Farewell, Bob. It's been an honor knowing you.
>
> Check out the Pilots of America forums. It's moderated, the group is
> savvy and friendly, and no nonsense. I just this moment got a post from
> Bob. Actually, if you have the time, spread the word to Montblack and
> the rest of your email loop as well.
> Hope to see you over there. I posted a simple hello post and received 10
> answers welcoming me over there; not a negative or unrelated to aviation
> response in the bunch :-)
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Dudley
I did the same. I've been on rec.aviation since 1995, and feel the
time has come to move on.
So long.

[Ken S. Tucker]

On Jun 8, 7:15 am, Andrew Sarangan > wrote:
> On Jun 6, 11:46 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jay Honeck wrote:
> > > Me, too.
>
> > > Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
> > > into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
> > > validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
> > > this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great piloting
> > > forum.
> > > Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.

LOL, "outsmarted us", Bertie is on the level of
Forrest Gump, except dumber and has a bad
attitude. I hang out in some science groups like
relativity, and there are some seriously intelligent
koo-koo birds posting to those, with IQ's into the
120's but with EQ's in the 70's.

> > > Farewell, Bob. It's been an honor knowing you.
>
> > Check out the Pilots of America forums. It's moderated, the group is
> > savvy and friendly, and no nonsense. I just this moment got a post from
> > Bob. Actually, if you have the time, spread the word to Montblack and
> > the rest of your email loop as well.
> > Hope to see you over there. I posted a simple hello post and received 10
> > answers welcoming me over there; not a negative or unrelated to aviation
> > response in the bunch :-)
>
> > --
> > Dudley Henriques
>
> Dudley
> I did the same. I've been on rec.aviation since 1995, and feel the
> time has come to move on.
> So long.

We eventually set up a moderated science group
that works very well.
Regards
Ken

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Ken S. Tucker" > wrote in
:

> On Jun 8, 7:15 am, Andrew Sarangan > wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 11:46 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Jay Honeck wrote:
>> > > Me, too.
>>
>> > > Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving
>> > > inexorably into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as
>> > > pilots -- by validating his existence -- have allowed his mental
>> > > illness to destroy this group, and in doing so have deprived
>> > > ourselves of a great piloting forum.
>> > > Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us
>> > > all.
>
> LOL, "outsmarted us", Bertie is on the level of
> Forrest Gump, except dumber and has a bad
> attitude. I hang out in some science groups like
> relativity, and there are some seriously intelligent
> koo-koo birds posting to those, with IQ's into the
> 120's but with EQ's in the 70's.

Bwawhahwahhwha!

And they all think you're an idiot.
>
> We eventually set up a moderated science group
> that works very well.



Really? Where is that so we can go and read you stuff?


Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> On Jun 6, 11:46 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> Me, too.
>>> Sadly, this forum has become the Bertie Show 24/7, diving inexorably
>>> into an ever tightening graveyard spiral. We, as pilots -- by
>>> validating his existence -- have allowed his mental illness to destroy
>>> this group, and in doing so have deprived ourselves of a great piloting
>>> forum.
>>> Just as the troll hoped we would. In the end, he outsmarted us all.
>>> Farewell, Bob. It's been an honor knowing you.
>> Check out the Pilots of America forums. It's moderated, the group is
>> savvy and friendly, and no nonsense. I just this moment got a post from
>> Bob. Actually, if you have the time, spread the word to Montblack and
>> the rest of your email loop as well.
>> Hope to see you over there. I posted a simple hello post and received 10
>> answers welcoming me over there; not a negative or unrelated to aviation
>> response in the bunch :-)
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Dudley
> I did the same. I've been on rec.aviation since 1995, and feel the
> time has come to move on.
> So long.
>
Hope to see you over there Andy.

--
Dudley Henriques

[gatt[_5_]]

Blueskies wrote:

>> I sent you a PM with (virus-scanned) Word files attached. I tried
>> pasting one into a reply but the formatting looked awful.
>>
>> -chris
>
>
> didja fix the address? blueskies at ameritech dot net

Should have. Did you get them?

-c

[gatt[_5_]]

Jim Burns wrote:
> "gatt" > wrote in message

> I "heard" about you flying with NWPilot.... he called Jay Honeck while we
> were in Detroit on Saturday and mentioned flying with you. Keep up the good
> work and have fun.

Yeah, that was cool. Had fun flying up the river in his IFR-equipped
C-150. Made me want to go out and buy one.

-c

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Bob Gardner wrote:
>> I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the
>> temptation. The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is
>> very little "meat" in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster
>> interested in learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang
>> out in the AOPA Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.
>>
>> Bob Gardner
>>
> Bob;
> I'm registering today on Pilots of America and I'll hit the AOPA forum
> as well.
> Hope to see you there.
>

I wonder if AOPA would start us a sub forum Rec.Aviation.Refuges?

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 07:16:00 -0700, gatt
> wrote in
>:

>Had fun flying up the river in his IFR-equipped
>C-150.

Did you find that the barrel rolls tumbled your gyros? :-)

[Blueskies]

"gatt" > wrote in message ...
> Blueskies wrote:
>
>>> I sent you a PM with (virus-scanned) Word files attached. I tried
>>> pasting one into a reply but the formatting looked awful.
>>>
>>> -chris
>>
>>
>> didja fix the address? blueskies at ameritech dot net
>
> Should have. Did you get them?
>
> -c

Hmmm, no, but I am on running on a generator right now, power out from the storms.

If you don't mind, please try again...

Thanks!

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Matt Whiting" wrote:

>
> I agree. I participate in a couple of motorcycle forums and find the user
> interface overly complex and hard to use as compared to good old usenet.
> Some things were just right from the start and usenet is one of them.

Indeed.

Simplest is best.

--
Dan

T182T at 4R4