Choices continued; Another great moderated pilots forum

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

For those interested in additional alternatives to Usenet, I have
already mentioned the Pilots of America forum and a lot of you have
checked in there.
Another great moderated forum for pilots interested in friendly,
educational, and serious aviation discussion is the "Purple Forums".
The links for Pilots of America and purple Forums are listed below.

Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
information. These are simply non profit moderated alternatives where
serious pilots, students, and those interested in aviation generally
have gathered to enjoy each other's company and exchange useful
information in a venue a bit different than what is happening here on
Usenet.

By all means make your own choices.
Possibly reading what will most likely appear under this post might help
some of you with making that choice :-))

Best to all here;
Dudley Henriques


http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php
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[Maxwell[_2_]]

[Jim Logajan]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
> information.

A choice of forums is a good thing, not a bad thing. Informing others of
alternatives is a good thing, not a bad thing.

> http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5
>
> http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php

Thanks!

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
>> information.
>
> A choice of forums is a good thing, not a bad thing. Informing others of
> alternatives is a good thing, not a bad thing.
>
>> http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5
>>
>> http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php
>
> Thanks!

Sort of a public service announcement sort of thing as they say :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Vaughn Simon]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
> information.

Dudley, I can't think of an example in the past when you have given me reason
to doubt your veracity, but I certainly do this time (even though I am sure that
you would like to believe what you say above is true).

The world does not need more Internet forums and certainly no more blogs.
Fracturing any group into smaller fragments, each led by some "big kahuna"
moderator, leads to a tragic inbreeding of ideas. It is far better to simply
outwait the trolls.

(My opinion, respectfully presented).

Vaughn

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
>> information.
>
> Dudley, I can't think of an example in the past when you have given me reason
> to doubt your veracity, but I certainly do this time (even though I am sure that
> you would like to believe what you say above is true).
>
> The world does not need more Internet forums and certainly no more blogs.
> Fracturing any group into smaller fragments, each led by some "big kahuna"
> moderator, leads to a tragic inbreeding of ideas. It is far better to simply
> outwait the trolls.
>
> (My opinion, respectfully presented).
>
> Vaughn
>
>
>
I would agree with you generally speaking from my own experience with
moderated forums, and if the two forums I've recommended to this group
turn out to have a "big Kahuna" in charge who dominates the forum, I
swear to you that I will be the first one back here to say publicly I
was totally mistaken.

These two forums I have mentioned seem to be extremely well run and
controlled by very nice, involved in aviation at the ground root level,
people; in one case, a very nice family. These people have put up the
forum as a public service to aviation and as far as I can determine, are
anything but "Big Kahunas".
I'll admit I have limited experience with both forums thus far, but I'll
tell you this much; I have received several dozen under postings at both
forums, including a warm welcome from the administrators themselves and
not one post even close to being negative. Everyone there seems happy to
be there and simply interested in friendly and serious dialog exchange.
Nobody seems threatening, bullyish, or threatened, and most of all, eem
only interested in the quality of the information passed back and forth.

My personal impression is that the moderators would much rather leave
the "moderating" to the forum members through encouragement rather than
some "Big Kahuna" discipline.

Why don't you come on over and lurk a bit and see for yourself. Nothing
ventured, nothing gained. That's how I found these two forums, simply by
accident.


--
Dudley Henriques

[Vaughn Simon]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Why don't you come on over and lurk a bit and see for yourself. Nothing
> ventured, nothing gained.

Thanks, but I will remain right here.

Vaughn

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Why don't you come on over and lurk a bit and see for yourself. Nothing
>> ventured, nothing gained.
>
> Thanks, but I will remain right here.
>
> Vaughn
>
>
No problem at all. Enjoy.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:Dzd3k.1370$Jh7.56
@newsfe21.lga:

>
>
>

Ask and ye shall recieve.


Bertie

[tater]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Thanks, but I will remain right here.
>
> Vaughn

With Bertie?

[Dave[_5_]]

On Jun 9, 2:32*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Jim Logajan wrote:
> > Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> >> Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
> >> information.
>
> > A choice of forums is a good thing, not a bad thing. Informing others of
> > alternatives is a good thing, not a bad thing.
>
> >>http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5
>
> >>http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php
>
> > Thanks!
>
> Sort of a public service announcement sort of thing as they say :-)
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Since the subject has been raised, it is worth mentioning that AOPA
has Aviation-Themed forums on their website. You do have to be a
member to even read them (they are in the "Members" section). Dunno if
they are moderated or not, but they do seem to contain items worth
reading (IMHO).

Dave

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dave wrote:
> On Jun 9, 2:32 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Jim Logajan wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>>> Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
>>>> information.
>>> A choice of forums is a good thing, not a bad thing. Informing others of
>>> alternatives is a good thing, not a bad thing.
>>>> http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5
>>>> http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php
>>> Thanks!
>> Sort of a public service announcement sort of thing as they say :-)
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Since the subject has been raised, it is worth mentioning that AOPA
> has Aviation-Themed forums on their website. You do have to be a
> member to even read them (they are in the "Members" section). Dunno if
> they are moderated or not, but they do seem to contain items worth
> reading (IMHO).
>
> Dave

The AOPA forums are indeed fine forums, although I believe you must be a
member of AOPA to access them. I'm not sure as well how membership in
AOPA is handled for international pilots wishing to access a moderated
forum.
I'm sure there are those here who have that answer handy and will comment.
I believe the current rate at AOPA is 39 dollars????????

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Dudley Henriques

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:28:50 GMT, "tater" >
wrote:

>"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> Thanks, but I will remain right here.
>>
>> Vaughn
>
>With Bertie?
>

why not. Bertie is a sharp cookie in real life. I found Craig Wall to
be a very intelligent guy in real life as well.

really the problem is that some incompetents are blithly ignorant of
how incompetent they really are.
I would post in response to MX and Maxwell's stupidity as well but I
found it easier to delegate that task to bertie. I didnt have as much
access time.

Stealth Pilot

[Vaughn Simon]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Dave wrote:

> I believe the current rate at AOPA is 39 dollars????????

Which I pay happily, but I don't bother with their forums precisely because
they are member only, which limits the potential pool of participants.

Vaughn

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dave wrote:
>
>> I believe the current rate at AOPA is 39 dollars????????
>
> Which I pay happily, but I don't bother with their forums precisely because
> they are member only, which limits the potential pool of participants.
>
> Vaughn
>
>

You go with what works for you personally. Sounds like Usenet is your
cup of tea; open, unmoderated, and no fees.
Enjoy!!

--
Dudley Henriques

[F. Baum]

On Jun 9, 3:10*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
> These two forums I have mentioned seem to be extremely well run and
> controlled by very nice, involved in aviation at the ground root level,
> people; in one case, a very nice family. These people have put up the
> forum as a public service to aviation and as far as I can determine, are
> * anything but "Big Kahunas".

Dudley, I have made a couple of passes through the POA forum and the
knowlege base seems to be pretty shallow. Whats worse is that POA
appears to be moderated by a couple of very inexperienced pilots.
Nothing against inexperience of course but should they be calling
shots with debates involving CFIs and ATPs AIs etc ? The strict
conduct code over there seems to result in watered down small talk. If
I want to disagree with someone and post an oposing view I shouldnt
have my post edited or deleted by someone who is not qualified to make
the call. Good luck over there and I will check out your other link.
Thanks
FB

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

F. Baum wrote:
> On Jun 9, 3:10 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> These two forums I have mentioned seem to be extremely well run and
>> controlled by very nice, involved in aviation at the ground root level,
>> people; in one case, a very nice family. These people have put up the
>> forum as a public service to aviation and as far as I can determine, are
>> anything but "Big Kahunas".
>
> Dudley, I have made a couple of passes through the POA forum and the
> knowlege base seems to be pretty shallow. Whats worse is that POA
> appears to be moderated by a couple of very inexperienced pilots.
> Nothing against inexperience of course but should they be calling
> shots with debates involving CFIs and ATPs AIs etc ? The strict
> conduct code over there seems to result in watered down small talk. If
> I want to disagree with someone and post an oposing view I shouldnt
> have my post edited or deleted by someone who is not qualified to make
> the call. Good luck over there and I will check out your other link.
> Thanks
> FB

So far, this has not been my experience, but time will tell.
Don't know where you got the stats on the forum moderators. I don't have
that information.
I think you have the wrong perspective on how these forums are moderated.
I've yet to see a moderator on either forum edit or delete a post based
on the moderator's judgment on who is right and who is wrong. Only
obvious bad behavior, vitriolic posts and ad hominem attacks are
"moderated" by the control board.
As far as I can determine, you can agree or disagree with anyone on
these forums with free abandon as long as you do it politely and in a
friendly manner.
Can't address the registration problem except to say that POA was hacked
yesterday and they thought they sorted it all back out last night.
All is perfectly normal on my end and I'm having no issues today at all.
Personally, I've found the experience quite satisfying so far.
You'll have to make your own assessment of course.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Lou]

> As far as I can determine, you can agree or disagree with anyone on
> these forums with free abandon as long as you do it politely and in a
> friendly manner.
> Can't address the registration problem except to say that POA was hacked
> yesterday and they thought they sorted it all back out last night.
> All is perfectly normal on my end and I'm having no issues today at all.
> Personally, I've found the experience quite satisfying so far.
> You'll have to make your own assessment of course.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Dudley I'm going to agree with you. I joined about a week ago
and have already been in a heated discussion (politics), but no
name calling, no made up cuss words, and nobody cutting me off and
removing my post. I do wish they had a bigger homebuilt area.
See you on POA.
Lou

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Lou wrote:
>> As far as I can determine, you can agree or disagree with anyone on
>> these forums with free abandon as long as you do it politely and in a
>> friendly manner.
>> Can't address the registration problem except to say that POA was hacked
>> yesterday and they thought they sorted it all back out last night.
>> All is perfectly normal on my end and I'm having no issues today at all.
>> Personally, I've found the experience quite satisfying so far.
>> You'll have to make your own assessment of course.
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Dudley I'm going to agree with you. I joined about a week ago
> and have already been in a heated discussion (politics), but no
> name calling, no made up cuss words, and nobody cutting me off and
> removing my post. I do wish they had a bigger homebuilt area.
> See you on POA.
> Lou
>

I'll look for you there :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[F. Baum]

On Jun 11, 11:51*am, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
> So far, this has not been my experience, but time will tell.
> Don't know where you got the stats on the forum moderators. I don't have
> that information.

Here is what I have seen on POA. When someone posts a question there
is the same small group of the same respondents who have nothing
usefull to add but they always respond anyways. Just like MX would do.
Also, people at POA like to flaunt their qualifications as if that
really means something or lends them higher credibility. Heck, around
here I have seen student pilots give valid answers to posts. There
have been about 6 or 7 posters claiming to be adminstators and most of
their profiles said PPL. I dont think it will be worthwhile for me but
good luck.
FB

[Peter Dohm]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> So far, this has not been my experience, but time will tell.
> Don't know where you got the stats on the forum moderators. I don't have
> that information.
> I think you have the wrong perspective on how these forums are moderated.
> I've yet to see a moderator on either forum edit or delete a post based on
> the moderator's judgment on who is right and who is wrong. Only obvious
> bad behavior, vitriolic posts and ad hominem attacks are "moderated" by
> the control board.
> As far as I can determine, you can agree or disagree with anyone on these
> forums with free abandon as long as you do it politely and in a friendly
> manner.
> Can't address the registration problem except to say that POA was hacked
> yesterday and they thought they sorted it all back out last night.
> All is perfectly normal on my end and I'm having no issues today at all.
> Personally, I've found the experience quite satisfying so far.
> You'll have to make your own assessment of course.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

I took a look a couple of days ago and, although I didn't take time to look
through every topic and thread, there didn't appear to be much traffic--and
the categories were not really inuitive. I'll take another look as time
permits, but there are really only a couple of really annoying people here
in the "wild west" with any staying power--plus a few who come and go at
random.

Admittedly, I haven't spent a lot of time on it and haven't checked the AOPA
forums at all--even though they would clearly aleviate the greatest single
annoyance.

Peter

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

F. Baum wrote:
> On Jun 11, 11:51 am, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> So far, this has not been my experience, but time will tell.
>> Don't know where you got the stats on the forum moderators. I don't have
>> that information.
>
> Here is what I have seen on POA. When someone posts a question there
> is the same small group of the same respondents who have nothing
> usefull to add but they always respond anyways. Just like MX would do.
> Also, people at POA like to flaunt their qualifications as if that
> really means something or lends them higher credibility. Heck, around
> here I have seen student pilots give valid answers to posts. There
> have been about 6 or 7 posters claiming to be adminstators and most of
> their profiles said PPL. I dont think it will be worthwhile for me but
> good luck.
> FB

What you are saying is directly opposed to what I'm getting in my
personal email, the posts I'm seeing on these two forums, and comments
from just about everyone who has tried these forums. I've seen
absolutely nothing to substantiate what you are saying and in fact just
the opposite.

I understand from the 4 distinct and varied negatives you have listed
that you discovered on the forums as you tried them that you just might
be much happier not being involved over there. I respect that.
Best to you as always.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Peter Dohm wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> So far, this has not been my experience, but time will tell.
>> Don't know where you got the stats on the forum moderators. I don't have
>> that information.
>> I think you have the wrong perspective on how these forums are moderated.
>> I've yet to see a moderator on either forum edit or delete a post based on
>> the moderator's judgment on who is right and who is wrong. Only obvious
>> bad behavior, vitriolic posts and ad hominem attacks are "moderated" by
>> the control board.
>> As far as I can determine, you can agree or disagree with anyone on these
>> forums with free abandon as long as you do it politely and in a friendly
>> manner.
>> Can't address the registration problem except to say that POA was hacked
>> yesterday and they thought they sorted it all back out last night.
>> All is perfectly normal on my end and I'm having no issues today at all.
>> Personally, I've found the experience quite satisfying so far.
>> You'll have to make your own assessment of course.
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> I took a look a couple of days ago and, although I didn't take time to look
> through every topic and thread, there didn't appear to be much traffic--and
> the categories were not really inuitive. I'll take another look as time
> permits, but there are really only a couple of really annoying people here
> in the "wild west" with any staying power--plus a few who come and go at
> random.
>
> Admittedly, I haven't spent a lot of time on it and haven't checked the AOPA
> forums at all--even though they would clearly aleviate the greatest single
> annoyance.
>
> Peter
>
>
>

The final analysis is simply what each individual thinks best fits their
needs.
If it's your thing, I'm sure you will be welcome over there. If not,
Usenet is always here. Personally I'm planning to be both places. I like
alternatives :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I took a look a couple of days ago and, although I didn't take time to
> look through every topic and thread, there didn't appear to be much
> traffic--and the categories were not really inuitive. I'll take another
> look as time permits, but there are really only a couple of really
> annoying people here in the "wild west" with any staying power--plus a few
> who come and go at random.

Peter, I encourage you to give POA another shot. I, too, have found the
interface a bit clumsy, but I'm starting to get the hang of things.

What's great is how many old names you will recognize over there from the
"pre-Bertie" days of rec.aviation. The exodus to POA obviously started
many months ago, because nearly every "regular" you remember from here is
now over "there"!

It's almost like going home. Positive, upbeat, friendly folks, posting
about flying, with no personal attacks, no fake posts, no trolls. Ahhhhh,
it's like a breath of fresh air!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article <gWX3k.204399$yE1.195906@attbi_s21>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > I took a look a couple of days ago and, although I didn't take time to
> > look through every topic and thread, there didn't appear to be much
> > traffic--and the categories were not really inuitive. I'll take another
> > look as time permits, but there are really only a couple of really
> > annoying people here in the "wild west" with any staying power--plus a few
> > who come and go at random.
>
> Peter, I encourage you to give POA another shot. I, too, have found the
> interface a bit clumsy, but I'm starting to get the hang of things.
>
> What's great is how many old names you will recognize over there from the
> "pre-Bertie" days of rec.aviation. The exodus to POA obviously started
> many months ago, because nearly every "regular" you remember from here is
> now over "there"!
>
> It's almost like going home. Positive, upbeat, friendly folks, posting
> about flying, with no personal attacks, no fake posts, no trolls. Ahhhhh,
> it's like a breath of fresh air!
>
> :-)

What is the link? How do I get there?

--
Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.

[romeomike]

Lou wrote:

>
already been in a heated discussion (politics),
> Lou
>

So I gather from this that they do permit OT posting?

[F. Baum]

On Jun 11, 4:00*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>
> What's great is how many old names you will recognize over there from the
> "pre-Bertie" days of rec.aviation. * The exodus to POA obviously started
> many months ago, because nearly every "regular" you remember from here is
> now over "there"!

Jay, One word of caution. The management over there encorages a
"comend in public, correct in private" policy. There is alot of miss
information over there when you go to forums like the IFR one. Around
here people who answer posts without much expertese on a subject are
chased off (MX exepted of course). Over there I think the mediators
have created a sterile envoronment where posting to something you know
nothing about is not discouraged.

>
> It's almost like going home. *Positive, upbeat, friendly folks, posting
> about flying, with no personal attacks, no fake posts, no trolls. *Ahhhhh,
> it's like a breath of fresh air!

Not like going to my home (Kidding). Good luck and if I get some time
at OSH I will come over and check out your party.

FB

[Jim Logajan]

Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
> What is the link? How do I get there?

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/

Pther two sites that have been mentioned are:

http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php
http://forums.aopa.org/index.php

This site lists a whole bunch of different aviation forums:

http://www.thirtythousandfeet.com/message.htm

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

F. Baum wrote:

> Jay, One word of caution. The management over there encorages a
> "comend in public, correct in private" policy. There is alot of miss
> information over there when you go to forums like the IFR one. Around
> here people who answer posts without much expertese on a subject are
> chased off (MX exepted of course). Over there I think the mediators
> have created a sterile envoronment where posting to something you know
> nothing about is not discouraged.

>
>

In the interest of good information being passed on to people
contemplating a move to the forums being addressed here, I am posting
both forums rules as taken off each web site.

First Pilots of America

User's Agreement and Rules of Conduct for the Pilots of America Message
Boards

Use of and participation in the Pilots of America message board
(hereafter referred to as "the forums") is contingent upon your
acceptance of the following terms and rules. By participating in the
forums, you acknowledge your acceptance of these terms. For purposes of
this agreement, "Participant" refers to you. "the forums" refers to the
Pilots of America Message board and all content associated with
http://www.PilotsOfAmerica.com.

Pilots of America is a non-profit organization operated by pilots for
pilots.

Rules of Conduct
These forums are for discussing Aviation and Aviation Related Topics
affecting pilots in the United States of America. These guidelines are
posted as a code of conduct and if all of our participants will
subscribe to this code of conduct most of these rules will be easily
observed.

Goals of the Forums
Show respect at all times.
Help build the Community.

The success of our forums depends upon the quality posts of our
participants. To ensure our success we are posting these guidelines so
that all participants of the forums understand what is considered
unacceptable behavior in the forums, which can result in a temporary
suspension or a permanent ban.
Personal attacks are prohibited. This specifically means any text/post
that is blatantly attacking another person on or off the forum,
especially in a personal way.
Trolling is prohibited. Whenever someone is clearly, deliberately
posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the
other participants of the board, it is considered "trolling." The public
posting of reputation comments received, which are considered by PoA to
be personal and confidential, is considered ipso facto trolling.
Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run; it only
encourages personal attacks (if left unchecked).
Solicitations and Advertisements are prohibited except in designated
areas, if provided.
Private Messages received on these Forums are to be considered private
and are not to be posted publicly unless the sender of the private
message agrees.
Participant shall not post messages containing personal phone numbers or
addresses other than their own.
Bans and warnings are not to be discussed on the forums. Any inquiries
or comments or bans are to be sent in private messages or via email. A
moderator may choose to publicly inform the participants of a forum
about bans and warnings if this is in the interest of the forum.
Posting of pornography, racist or otherwise discriminating remarks,
threats to cause physical or mental harm, extreme offensive language,
material that breaks any law or otherwise totally unacceptable posts or
links to pages that contain the aforementioned material may result in an
immediate ban from the forums.
Deliberately circumventing the censor filter is prohibited.
Spamming the forums is prohibited.
Not responding to or ignoring moderator warnings can lead to suspension.
Off Topic (OT) are not prohibited, but should be posted within reason.
There are some topics that are not appropriate for the forums. All posts
are subject to these rules. Excessive OT posts will be dealt with on a
case by case basis.
All Forums have a main topic. When starting a new thread, make sure you
do so in the proper Forum.

------

and second, The Purple Board;

"Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability to
edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other manipulations.
Becoming a moderator for a specific forum is usually rewarded to users
who are particularly helpful and knowledgeable in the subject of the
forum they are moderating."

There is absolutely nothing unusual about either forum. I've seen
exactly 0 deletion or censuring of posting on either forum by the
administrators. All they ask is that dialog be civil.

This has been my experience so far, and all of it has been good!





--
Dudley Henriques

[Bob Noel]

In article >, romeomike > wrote:

> So I gather from this that they do permit OT posting?

There is a specific area (forum) for such stuff. I believe it's called "the
spin zone"

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[F. Baum]

On Jun 11, 5:13*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> F. Baum wrote:
> > Jay, One word of caution. The management over there encorages a
> > "comend in public, correct in private" policy. There is alot of miss
> > information over there when you go to forums like the IFR one. Around
> > here people who answer posts without much expertese on a subject are
> > chased off (MX exepted of course). Over there I think the mediators
> > have created a sterile envoronment where posting to something you know
> > nothing about is not discouraged.
>
> In the interest of good information being passed on to people
> contemplating a move to the forums being addressed here, I am posting
> both forums rules as taken off each web site.
>
> First Pilots of America
>
> User's Agreement and Rules of Conduct for the Pilots of America Message
> Boards
>
> Use of and participation in the Pilots of America message board
> (hereafter referred to as "the forums") is contingent upon your
> acceptance of the following terms and rules. By participating in the
> forums, you acknowledge your acceptance of these terms. For purposes of
> this agreement, "Participant" refers to you. "the forums" refers to the
> Pilots of America Message board and all content associated withhttp://www.PilotsOfAmerica.com.
>
> Pilots of America is a non-profit organization operated by pilots for
> pilots.
>
> Rules of Conduct
> These forums are for discussing Aviation and Aviation Related Topics
> affecting pilots in the United States of America. These guidelines are
> posted as a code of conduct and if all of our participants will
> subscribe to this code of conduct most of these rules will be easily
> observed.
>
> Goals of the Forums
> Show respect at all times.
> Help build the Community.
>
> The success of our forums depends upon the quality posts of our
> participants. To ensure our success we are posting these guidelines so
> that all participants of the forums understand what is considered
> unacceptable behavior in the forums, which can result in a temporary
> suspension or a permanent ban.
> Personal attacks are prohibited. This specifically means any text/post
> that is blatantly attacking another person on or off the forum,
> especially in a personal way.
> Trolling is prohibited. Whenever someone is clearly, deliberately
> posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the
> other participants of the board, it is considered "trolling." The public
> posting of reputation comments received, which are considered by PoA to
> be personal and confidential, is considered ipso facto trolling.
> Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run; it only
> encourages personal attacks (if left unchecked).
> Solicitations and Advertisements are prohibited except in designated
> areas, if provided.
> Private Messages received on these Forums are to be considered private
> and are not to be posted publicly unless the sender of the private
> message agrees.
> Participant shall not post messages containing personal phone numbers or
> addresses other than their own.
> Bans and warnings are not to be discussed on the forums. Any inquiries
> or comments or bans are to be sent in private messages or via email. A
> moderator may choose to publicly inform the participants of a forum
> about bans and warnings if this is in the interest of the forum.
> Posting of pornography, racist or otherwise discriminating remarks,
> threats to cause physical or mental harm, extreme offensive language,
> material that breaks any law or otherwise totally unacceptable posts or
> links to pages that contain the aforementioned material may result in an
> immediate ban from the forums.
> Deliberately circumventing the censor filter is prohibited.
> Spamming the forums is prohibited.
> Not responding to or ignoring moderator warnings can lead to suspension.
> Off Topic (OT) are not prohibited, but should be posted within reason.
> There are some topics that are not appropriate for the forums. All posts
> are subject to these rules. Excessive OT posts will be dealt with on a
> case by case basis.
> All Forums have a main topic. When starting a new thread, make sure you
> do so in the proper Forum.
>
> ------
>
> and second, The Purple Board;
>
> "Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability to
> edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other manipulations.
> Becoming a moderator for a specific forum is usually rewarded to users
> who are particularly helpful and knowledgeable in the subject of the
> forum they are moderating."
>
> There is absolutely nothing unusual about either forum. I've seen
> exactly 0 deletion or censuring of posting on either forum by the
> administrators. All they ask is that dialog be civil.
>
> This has been my experience so far, and all of it has been good!
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Thanks for posting this. I found the "correct in private" thing on a
sticky on one of the forums. Have not had time to checkout the purple
board yet.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

F. Baum wrote:

> Thanks for posting this. I found the "correct in private" thing on a
> sticky on one of the forums. Have not had time to checkout the purple
> board yet.

No sweat. It's not all that bad really, at least I've found it to be a
good venue.

One thing; don't get overly impressed with the CFI, ATR, vs PPL thing.
I've seen ATR's and CFI's who couldn't fly their way out of a paper sack
standing right next to Private Pilots who could fly better inverted than
any of them could fly right side up :-)
In the end analysis, it's the quality of the information, and ONLY the
quality of the information that matters.
--
Dudley Henriques

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>Not like going to my home (Kidding). Good luck and if I get some time
>at OSH I will come over and check out your party.

Sounds great!

Given the sad passing of this group, we're opening the party up to Pilots of
America, the Cherokee Pilots Association group, and the Ercoupe Owners
Group, too. It should be a lot of fun...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"F. Baum" > wrote in news:6cd78429-f8e3-47ed-aff3-
:

> On Jun 9, 3:10*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>> These two forums I have mentioned seem to be extremely well run and
>> controlled by very nice, involved in aviation at the ground root level,
>> people; in one case, a very nice family. These people have put up the
>> forum as a public service to aviation and as far as I can determine, are
>> * anything but "Big Kahunas".
>
> Dudley, I have made a couple of passes through the POA forum and the
> knowlege base seems to be pretty shallow. Whats worse is that POA
> appears to be moderated by a couple of very inexperienced pilots.
> Nothing against inexperience of course but should they be calling
> shots with debates involving CFIs and ATPs AIs etc ? The strict
> conduct code over there seems to result in watered down small talk.


Perfik for Jay, anyway.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"F. Baum" > wrote in news:0e755241-939e-4c64-85de-
:

> On Jun 11, 11:51*am, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>> So far, this has not been my experience, but time will tell.
>> Don't know where you got the stats on the forum moderators. I don't have
>> that information.
>
> Here is what I have seen on POA. When someone posts a question there
> is the same small group of the same respondents who have nothing
> usefull to add but they always respond anyways. Just like MX would do.
> Also, people at POA like to flaunt their qualifications as if that
> really means something or lends them higher credibility. Heck, around
> here I have seen student pilots give valid answers to posts. There
> have been about 6 or 7 posters claiming to be adminstators and most of
> their profiles said PPL. I dont think it will be worthwhile for me but
> good luck.


People is people.



Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:wR%3k.150274$TT4.110603@attbi_s22:

>>Not like going to my home (Kidding). Good luck and if I get some time
>>at OSH I will come over and check out your party.
>
> Sounds great!
>
> Given the sad passing of this group, we're opening the party up to
> Pilots of America, the Cherokee Pilots Association group, and the
> Ercoupe Owners Group, too. It should be a lot of fun...

Death is only change...



Not only that, it's the price you pay for sex!

Bertie

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

On 13 Jun 2008 02:28:37 GMT, gregvk > wrote:

>Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
:
>
>> "F. Baum" > wrote in news:6cd78429-f8e3-47ed-aff3-
>> :
>>
>>> On Jun 9, 3:100m, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> These two forums I have mentioned seem to be extremely well run and
>>>> controlled by very nice, involved in aviation at the ground root
>>>> level, people; in one case, a very nice family. These people have
>>>> put up the forum as a public service to aviation and as far as I can
>>>> determine, are anything but "Big Kahunas".
>>>
>>> Dudley, I have made a couple of passes through the POA forum and the
>>> knowlege base seems to be pretty shallow. Whats worse is that POA
>>> appears to be moderated by a couple of very inexperienced pilots.
>>> Nothing against inexperience of course but should they be calling
>>> shots with debates involving CFIs and ATPs AIs etc ? The strict
>>> conduct code over there seems to result in watered down small talk.
>>
>>
>> Perfik for Jay, anyway.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>Newsflash: Moderated web forums generally tend to ****ing suck.
>
>Film at eleven.

Only because moderated web forums don't allow banal little wannabe
trollie ****wits like you to whine in stupidity.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"Don't ever **** with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

gregvk > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> :
>
>> "F. Baum" > wrote in news:6cd78429-f8e3-47ed-aff3-
>> :
>>
>>> On Jun 9, 3:10*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> These two forums I have mentioned seem to be extremely well run and
>>>> controlled by very nice, involved in aviation at the ground root
>>>> level, people; in one case, a very nice family. These people have
>>>> put up the forum as a public service to aviation and as far as I
can
>>>> determine, are * anything but "Big Kahunas".
>>>
>>> Dudley, I have made a couple of passes through the POA forum and the
>>> knowlege base seems to be pretty shallow. Whats worse is that POA
>>> appears to be moderated by a couple of very inexperienced pilots.
>>> Nothing against inexperience of course but should they be calling
>>> shots with debates involving CFIs and ATPs AIs etc ? The strict
>>> conduct code over there seems to result in watered down small talk.
>>
>>
>> Perfik for Jay, anyway.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Newsflash: Moderated web forums generally tend to ****ing suck.
>


Exactly. Perfick for jay.



Bertie



> Film at eleven.
>