Lost Log Books

[Mike125]

I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
recovering them? How can AD compliance be assured w/o doing them all
over again, assuming that a simple visual inspection by a qualified
A&P can't confirm it? What about airframe hours -particularly if
limits could be an issue? Repairs that are obvious (or maybe not), yet
have no documentation? Who would sign off on an annual w/o access to
the maintenance history?

Mike

[[email protected]]

On Jun 23, 2:45*pm, Mike125 > wrote:
> *I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
> what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
> recovering them? How can AD compliance be assured w/o doing them all
> over again, assuming that a simple visual inspection by a qualified
> A&P can't confirm it? What about airframe hours -particularly if
> limits could be an issue? Repairs that are obvious (or maybe not), yet
> have no documentation? Who would sign off on an annual w/o access to
> the maintenance history?
>
> Mike

Looking at something in western PA?

[[email protected]]

On Jun 23, 3:45*pm, Mike125 > wrote:
> *I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
> what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
> recovering them? How can AD compliance be assured w/o doing them all
> over again, assuming that a simple visual inspection by a qualified
> A&P can't confirm it? What about airframe hours -particularly if
> limits could be an issue? Repairs that are obvious (or maybe not), yet
> have no documentation? Who would sign off on an annual w/o access to
> the maintenance history?
>
> Mike

The person doing the preceding inspection should have some record
of when last inspection was done, time in service, possible his
printout if he did
one of AD's applicable.
In terms of compliance- the guy who signs off will need to repeat
documentation
of compliance which means repeating inspections, etc. Reconstuction of
repairs can be
helped by getting the complete file on the ship from the FAA in OK
City. It costs about $10 and
comes on a CD. Any 337's filed for the ship will be in this file.
Other repairs, if done by a repair station
can be reconstructed from their work orders if they still have them on
file.
Sorry for your pain.
UH

[JJ Sinclair]

Mike,
Here's what they told me in A&P school.......Estimate the total hours
based on the condition of the ship and start a new log with "original
log books lost, estimated total time = X. Thoroughly inspect the ship
and sign off any repairs that look airworthy to you, re-do any that
don't. Sign off all AD's that can be confirmed where new parts were
installed with "previously complied with". Re-inspect and sign off all
other AD's. Bottom line; the AP/AI is stating the ship is airworthy.
Sailplanes aren't all that tough to do the above. Do a fresh W&B and
test fly wouldn't out of line.
JJ


On Jun 23, 12:45*pm, Mike125 > wrote:
> *I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
> what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
> recovering them? How can AD compliance be assured w/o doing them all
> over again, assuming that a simple visual inspection by a qualified
> A&P can't confirm it? What about airframe hours -particularly if
> limits could be an issue? Repairs that are obvious (or maybe not), yet
> have no documentation? Who would sign off on an annual w/o access to
> the maintenance history?
>
> Mike

[Mike125]

A bit further west than that.

[Mike125]

>
> The person doing the preceding inspection should have some record
> of when last inspection was done, time in service, possible his
> printout if he did
> one of AD's applicable.
> In terms of compliance- the guy who signs off will need to repeat
> documentation
> of compliance which means repeating inspections, etc. Reconstuction of
> repairs can be
> helped by getting the complete file on the ship from the FAA in OK
> City. It costs about $10 and
> comes on a CD. Any 337's filed for the ship will be in this file.
> Other repairs, if done by a repair station
> can be reconstructed from their work orders if they still have them on
> file.
> Sorry for your pain.
> UH

No pain for me. I'm shopping, not selling (well, not yet but I have
the logs for my ship)

[Scott[_7_]]

Mike125 wrote:
> I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
> what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
> recovering them? How can AD compliance be assured w/o doing them all
> over again, assuming that a simple visual inspection by a qualified
> A&P can't confirm it? What about airframe hours -particularly if
> limits could be an issue? Repairs that are obvious (or maybe not), yet
> have no documentation? Who would sign off on an annual w/o access to
> the maintenance history?
>
> Mike

You can order a CD from FAA that has all paperwork ever filed on your
aircraft. Wish I could remember the link. Try starting at www.faa.gov/

Scott

[Sarah Anderson[_2_]]

Scott wrote:
> Mike125 wrote:
>> I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
>> what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
>> recovering them? How can AD compliance be assured w/o doing them all
>> over again, assuming that a simple visual inspection by a qualified
>> A&P can't confirm it? What about airframe hours -particularly if
>> limits could be an issue? Repairs that are obvious (or maybe not), yet
>> have no documentation? Who would sign off on an annual w/o access to
>> the maintenance history?
>>
>> Mike
>
> You can order a CD from FAA that has all paperwork ever filed on your
> aircraft. Wish I could remember the link. Try starting at www.faa.gov/
>
> Scott

Try here: http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp

(thanks Adam)

--Sarah

[Hellman]

On Jun 23, 12:45*pm, Mike125 > wrote:
> *I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
> what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
> recovering them?

A few years ago, I started scanning my log books after each entry.
Doesn't take too long and makes a nice backup. Plus, when I recently
had to send some information to my IA, I just sent him the PDF via
email.

Martin

[Scott[_7_]]

Hellman wrote:

> On Jun 23, 12:45 pm, Mike125 > wrote:
>
>> I should already know the answer to this but I don't so here it is -
>>what do you do if log books for a glider have been lost w/no hope of
>>recovering them?
>
>
> A few years ago, I started scanning my log books after each entry.
> Doesn't take too long and makes a nice backup. Plus, when I recently
> had to send some information to my IA, I just sent him the PDF via
> email.
>
> Martin
>
That's not a half bad idea! And for even more "security" you could save
a copy to a remote website. The easiest way to do that is to start your
own (free) egroup on yahoo or such and then save your copy in the
"Files" section of the group. This way, if you have a computer crash at
home, you will be able to recover the data from the egroup site.

Scott