Re: "Priceless" in Afghanistan

[BUFDRVR]

>kind of doubt a loaded B1B could fly supersonic that low. Max speed is
>something like mach 1.2. Sounds like bull**** to me.

Sure they can. This is not the first (or, I'm sure last) time a Bone has done a
super sonic pass as a show of force over Afghanistan.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

>Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
>it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
>cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...

I'm sure it could, but how long they could do it, I don't know. Personally I
think a 60-degree climb to "out-of-sight" flight level is more impressive than
a 90-degree climb to a few thousand feet above where you started the climb.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Jim Knoyle]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
> >it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
> >cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...
>
> I'm sure it could, but how long they could do it, I don't know. Personally
I
> think a 60-degree climb to "out-of-sight" flight level is more impressive
than
> a 90-degree climb to a few thousand feet above where you started the
climb.
>
>
I'm still impressed years later after watching a U-2-R2 take off from
Moffett and disappear directly overhead at the Mt. View Baylands
where I stood. That's about 3 miles for the ground leg and if I knew
the altitude where it would disappear on a perfectly clear summer day
it would be a very simple trig. problem. Sure looked like straight up to me.
:)

JK

[Admin]

"David Casey" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:10:20 -0500, Allen Epps wrote in

May I introduce David Casey. He wants to join the Air National Guard in NM
but can't get the waiver. He's part of a group that still attempts to take
over certain areas on the usenets with this BS. He's part of the so called
404th that infests the us.* areas. Just ignore the idiot and press on.

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(BUFDRVR) wrote:

>>Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
>>it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
>>cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...
>
>I'm sure it could, but how long they could do it, I don't know. Personally I
>think a 60-degree climb to "out-of-sight" flight level is more impressive than
>a 90-degree climb to a few thousand feet above where you started the climb.
>
>
>BUFDRVR
>
I don't doubt your assessment for a second...however...do you
really think that if an a/c can climb to 'out of sight' at 60 deg
that it can only climb a few thousand feet at 90?....doesn't
compute to me.

Mind you, while at certain weights/power level combinations this
could certainly be possible it doesn't sound very practical in
general.
--

-Gord.

[BUFDRVR]

>I don't doubt your assessment for a second...however...do you
>really think that if an a/c can climb to 'out of sight' at 60 deg
>that it can only climb a few thousand feet at 90?....doesn't
>compute to me.

I'll only speak from personal experience here. Believe it or not, at one point
the B-52H held the Time to Climb record for its class (or at least, that's what
my FTU IP told me, although 8 years later I've not checked it out) and will
climb pretty good at an *initial* climb angle of 50-60 degrees. Now, if you
increase that angle of climb by just a few degrees, you get a very small VVI
increase, but a greater airspeed loss (ops checked by myself as a young
co-pilot with too agressive of a pull). I've never taken a BUFF to 90-degrees
in the real world, but if the sim is any indication, you could not sustain a
90-degree climb for more than 7-10 seconds before you ran out of flying
airspeed. In 7-10 seconds, by my guess, you would only climb about 3,000 feet
(if that). Now, perhaps a light weight Bone has greater excess thrust (easy to
check on fas.org), but I don't think a Bone could go verticle for too much
longer than a BUFF.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

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(BUFDRVR) wrote:

>>I don't doubt your assessment for a second...however...do you
>>really think that if an a/c can climb to 'out of sight' at 60 deg
>>that it can only climb a few thousand feet at 90?....doesn't
>>compute to me.
>
>I'll only speak from personal experience here. Believe it or not, at one point
>the B-52H held the Time to Climb record for its class (or at least, that's what
>my FTU IP told me, although 8 years later I've not checked it out) and will
>climb pretty good at an *initial* climb angle of 50-60 degrees. Now, if you
>increase that angle of climb by just a few degrees, you get a very small VVI
>increase, but a greater airspeed loss (ops checked by myself as a young
>co-pilot with too agressive of a pull). I've never taken a BUFF to 90-degrees
>in the real world, but if the sim is any indication, you could not sustain a
>90-degree climb for more than 7-10 seconds before you ran out of flying
>airspeed. In 7-10 seconds, by my guess, you would only climb about 3,000 feet
>(if that). Now, perhaps a light weight Bone has greater excess thrust (easy to
>check on fas.org), but I don't think a Bone could go verticle for too much
>longer than a BUFF.
>
>
>BUFDRVR
>
Probably correct...I was just going by gut feeling with no B-52
experience at all (but a lot of other ~heavy a/c experience). I
sit corrected.

:)
--

-Gord.

[Admin]

"Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
k.net...
> In article >,
> on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:44:04 GMT,
> "Gord Beaman" ) "Gord Beaman" )
> attempted to say .....
>
> > "Admin" > wrote:
> > >
> > > The fact remains that the B-1B is not designed for
> > >a 90 degree vertical unless you like smacking the ground and spreading
> > >yourself over a country mile.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Don't let's get all silly here...we're talking generalities and
> > I think most posters here seem to think (me too) that any a/c can
> > go vertical if even for a short time. There may be some with
> > particular reasons why they can't but in general they all can.
> >
> > This makes sense to me. And as Judge Judy says "If it makes sense
> > to me then it's true!" :)
>
> The B52 wasn't designed for low level penetration operations.
>
> But then those SAC crews must have been wrong all those years for
> practicing it....

Just what do you know about the B-52? You are an Army Guard. Let me
introduce another of the us.military.army 404k00ks.

[Admin]

" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> "Tank Fixer" > wrote in
> message
> k.net
> > In article >,
> > on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:22:23 -0600,
> > "Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> "Duke of URL"
> > <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> attempted to say .....
> >
> >> In ,
> >> redc1c4 > radiated into
> the
> >> WorldWideWait:
> >>> Tank Fixer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob Hover,
> >>>> Boeing 727,
> >>>> Loop.
> >>>
> >>> Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston
> >>> 707
> >>> Barrel Roll
> >>
> >> All pilots
> >> Any airplane
> >> Stark raving lunatics
> >>
> >
> > Just those who jump out of the perfectly good ones are
> lunitics.
>
> Any plane captain will tell you there's no such thing as a
> perfectly good airplane.

And here is the 404k00k with the 5 purple hearts and not even a Bronze to go
with them. He used to post as his first name of Syndey. Hope you don't
mind if I don't leave the k00ks area in the address.

[Admin]

"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
> "Admin" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Tosser" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> "Admin" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>
> >> > > Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
> >> > > it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
> >> > > cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Power to weight.
> >> >
> >>
> >> According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.
> >>
> >>
> >> You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....
> >
> >No but going completely vertical at the blink of an eye, you do lose your
> >wings.
> >
> >
> WTF does that mean?...you didn't go to 60 degrees instantly did
> you?...why must you go to 90 instantly?...

I just like to have two good wings on any AC I happen to be on at the time.
There is enough escapes on the B-1 but not on all AC. But I guess we need
to be overtaxing our Airframes on a daily basis so we can test them out once
in awhile.

[Admin]

"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
> "Tosser" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Admin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> >> > Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
> >> > it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
> >> > cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...
> >>
> >
> >> Power to weight.
> >>
> >
> >According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.
> >
> >
> >You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....
> >
> >
> >
> What ARE you talking about?...

He's talking about flight. Something you don't know too much about.

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:27:53 -0700,
Admin attempted to say .....

>
> "Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
> k.net...
> > In article >,
> > on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:44:04 GMT,
> > "Gord Beaman" ) "Gord Beaman" )
> > attempted to say .....
> >
> > > "Admin" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The fact remains that the B-1B is not designed for
> > > >a 90 degree vertical unless you like smacking the ground and spreading
> > > >yourself over a country mile.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Don't let's get all silly here...we're talking generalities and
> > > I think most posters here seem to think (me too) that any a/c can
> > > go vertical if even for a short time. There may be some with
> > > particular reasons why they can't but in general they all can.
> > >
> > > This makes sense to me. And as Judge Judy says "If it makes sense
> > > to me then it's true!" :)
> >
> > The B52 wasn't designed for low level penetration operations.
> >
> > But then those SAC crews must have been wrong all those years for
> > practicing it....
>
> Just what do you know about the B-52? You are an Army Guard. Let me
> introduce another of the us.military.army 404k00ks.

Hmm, let me see.

Big airplane, many engine. Much noise.

Am I wrong yet ?

Was I wrong with my other posting ?


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Admin]

"Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
k.net...
> In article >,
> on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:27:53 -0700,
> Admin attempted to say .....
>
> >
> > "Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> > > In article >,
> > > on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:44:04 GMT,
> > > "Gord Beaman" ) "Gord Beaman"
)
> > > attempted to say .....
> > >
> > > > "Admin" > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact remains that the B-1B is not designed for
> > > > >a 90 degree vertical unless you like smacking the ground and
spreading
> > > > >yourself over a country mile.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Don't let's get all silly here...we're talking generalities and
> > > > I think most posters here seem to think (me too) that any a/c can
> > > > go vertical if even for a short time. There may be some with
> > > > particular reasons why they can't but in general they all can.
> > > >
> > > > This makes sense to me. And as Judge Judy says "If it makes sense
> > > > to me then it's true!" :)
> > >
> > > The B52 wasn't designed for low level penetration operations.
> > >
> > > But then those SAC crews must have been wrong all those years for
> > > practicing it....
> >
> > Just what do you know about the B-52? You are an Army Guard. Let me
> > introduce another of the us.military.army 404k00ks.
>
> Hmm, let me see.
>
> Big airplane, many engine. Much noise.
>
> Am I wrong yet ?
>
> Was I wrong with my other posting ?

That's the first thing you have said that was truthful. That is about the
scope an Army Guard has about a B-1.

[BUFDRVR]

>The B52 wasn't designed for low level penetration operations.
>
>But then those SAC crews must have been wrong all those years for
>practicing it....

Hey, don't forget us *ACC* B-52 guys as well....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[[email protected]]

"Admin" > wrote:

>
>"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
>> "Admin" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Tosser" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> "Admin" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > > Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
>> >> > > it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
>> >> > > cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > Power to weight.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....
>> >
>> >No but going completely vertical at the blink of an eye, you do lose your
>> >wings.
>> >
>> >
>> WTF does that mean?...you didn't go to 60 degrees instantly did
>> you?...why must you go to 90 instantly?...
>
>I just like to have two good wings on any AC I happen to be on at the time.
>There is enough escapes on the B-1 but not on all AC. But I guess we need
>to be overtaxing our Airframes on a daily basis so we can test them out once
>in awhile.
>
>
Well, there you go...
--

-Gord.

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"Admin" > wrote:

>
>"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
>> "Tosser" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Admin" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
>> >> > it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
>> >> > cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Power to weight.
>> >>
>> >
>> >According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.
>> >
>> >
>> >You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> What ARE you talking about?...
>
>He's talking about flight. Something you don't know too much about.
>
>
I see...
--

-Gord.