View Full Version : This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety
77777
July 10th 08, 08:27 PM
A few reminders for FAA Management pukes. While you gorge on
sheet cake and devise ways to screw over your front line
safety employees take a few seconds and look at these links.
This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety.
Remember, your GS-"Oh-My God" tax waste positions in your
cubicle rat locations don't mean **** in the big picture
of life.
Get ready because it's a coming. Any day now.
The blood will be on YOUR hands
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/minu-02.html
http://univers-cite.qc.ca/tucs/crv/psa_f182/
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20050905.htm
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20070717.htm
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ms843/photo.shtml
http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/stunts/Plane_Crash_Compilation_1/#34754
Stealth Pilot[_2_]
July 11th 08, 11:56 AM
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:27:24 -0400, 77777 >
wrote:
>A few reminders for FAA Management pukes. While you gorge on
>sheet cake and devise ways to screw over your front line
>safety employees take a few seconds and look at these links.
>
>This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety.
>
>Remember, your GS-"Oh-My God" tax waste positions in your
>cubicle rat locations don't mean **** in the big picture
>of life.
>
>Get ready because it's a coming. Any day now.
>
>The blood will be on YOUR hands
>
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/minu-02.html
>
>http://univers-cite.qc.ca/tucs/crv/psa_f182/
>
>http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20050905.htm
>
>http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20070717.htm
>
>http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ms843/photo.shtml
>
>http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/stunts/Plane_Crash_Compilation_1/#34754
maxwell. your alfoil hat is on backwards.
Stealth Pilot
Maxwell[_2_]
July 11th 08, 01:50 PM
"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> maxwell. your alfoil hat is on backwards.
> Stealth Pilot
Which Maxwell, there are at least three.
Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]
July 11th 08, 01:52 PM
"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:3GIdk.20070$oY2.10813
@newsfe21.lga:
>
> "Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> maxwell. your alfoil hat is on backwards.
>> Stealth Pilot
>
> Which Maxwell, there are at least three.
>
That's just what he wants you to think.
Bertie
Maxwell[_2_]
July 11th 08, 03:32 PM
"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:3GIdk.20070$oY2.10813
> @newsfe21.lga:
>
>>
>> "Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> maxwell. your alfoil hat is on backwards.
>>> Stealth Pilot
>>
>> Which Maxwell, there are at least three.
>>
>
> That's just what he wants you to think.
>
>
> Bertie
Really? Who's he?
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
July 11th 08, 06:13 PM
"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:Y9Kdk.20172$%q.12178
@newsfe24.lga:
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:3GIdk.20070$oY2.10813
>> @newsfe21.lga:
>>
>>>
>>> "Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> maxwell. your alfoil hat is on backwards.
>>>> Stealth Pilot
>>>
>>> Which Maxwell, there are at least three.
>>>
>>
>> That's just what he wants you to think.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Really? Who's he?
>
>
>
You kow who, don'tcha?
Bertie
Maxwell[_2_]
July 11th 08, 09:15 PM
"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:Y9Kdk.20172$%q.12178
> @newsfe24.lga:
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:3GIdk.20070$oY2.10813
>>> @newsfe21.lga:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> maxwell. your alfoil hat is on backwards.
>>>>> Stealth Pilot
>>>>
>>>> Which Maxwell, there are at least three.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's just what he wants you to think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Really? Who's he?
>>
>>
>>
>
> You kow who, don'tcha?
>
>
> Bertie
Yup, he's Burtie, and everyone knows it.
Mike[_22_]
July 12th 08, 04:45 AM
"77777" > wrote in message
...
>A few reminders for FAA Management pukes. While you gorge on sheet cake and
>devise ways to screw over your front line safety employees take a few
>seconds and look at these links.
>
> This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety.
Of all the links you posted, none had anything to do with the FAA other than
the 20 year old PSA 182 crash in which the crew was given and accepted a
visual clearance.
You should stop licking so many Chinese toys.
>
> Remember, your GS-"Oh-My God" tax waste positions in your cubicle rat
> locations don't mean **** in the big picture
> of life.
>
> Get ready because it's a coming. Any day now.
>
> The blood will be on YOUR hands
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/minu-02.html
>
> http://univers-cite.qc.ca/tucs/crv/psa_f182/
>
> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20050905.htm
>
> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20070717.htm
>
> http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ms843/photo.shtml
>
> http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/stunts/Plane_Crash_Compilation_1/#34754
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 07:06 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,381129,00.html
Mike wrote:
> "77777" > wrote in message
> ...
>> A few reminders for FAA Management pukes. While you gorge on sheet
>> cake and devise ways to screw over your front line safety employees
>> take a few seconds and look at these links.
>>
>> This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety.
>
> Of all the links you posted, none had anything to do with the FAA other
> than the 20 year old PSA 182 crash in which the crew was given and
> accepted a visual clearance.
>
> You should stop licking so many Chinese toys.
>
>
>>
>> Remember, your GS-"Oh-My God" tax waste positions in your cubicle rat
>> locations don't mean **** in the big picture
>> of life.
>>
>> Get ready because it's a coming. Any day now.
>>
>> The blood will be on YOUR hands
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/minu-02.html
>>
>> http://univers-cite.qc.ca/tucs/crv/psa_f182/
>>
>> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20050905.htm
>>
>> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20070717.htm
>>
>> http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ms843/photo.shtml
>>
>> http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/stunts/Plane_Crash_Compilation_1/#34754
>
>
Mike[_22_]
July 12th 08, 07:58 AM
"FUBAR7" > wrote in message
...
How many sock puppets do you have?
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,381129,00.html
Close calls like that happen all the time at all major airports and have
been for many years. They will continue to happen regardless of how much or
little NATCA feeds these stories to the media to serve their own interests.
And no matter how much YOU try to play on irrational fears, flying on a
commercial airliner is still OVER 20 TIMES SAFER than driving your own car.
I suggest you peddle your nonsense on a non-pilot forum where you can better
take advantage of ignorance. Nobody here is buying.
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>> "77777" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> A few reminders for FAA Management pukes. While you gorge on sheet cake
>>> and devise ways to screw over your front line safety employees take a
>>> few seconds and look at these links.
>>>
>>> This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety.
>>
>> Of all the links you posted, none had anything to do with the FAA other
>> than the 20 year old PSA 182 crash in which the crew was given and
>> accepted a visual clearance.
>>
>> You should stop licking so many Chinese toys.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Remember, your GS-"Oh-My God" tax waste positions in your cubicle rat
>>> locations don't mean **** in the big picture
>>> of life.
>>>
>>> Get ready because it's a coming. Any day now.
>>>
>>> The blood will be on YOUR hands
>>>
>>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/minu-02.html
>>>
>>> http://univers-cite.qc.ca/tucs/crv/psa_f182/
>>>
>>> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20050905.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20070717.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ms843/photo.shtml
>>>
>>> http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/stunts/Plane_Crash_Compilation_1/#34754
>>
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
July 12th 08, 08:02 AM
"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:%bPdk.18085$3q7.3751
@newsfe15.lga:
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:Y9Kdk.20172$%q.12178
>> @newsfe24.lga:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:3GIdk.20070$oY2.10813
>>>> @newsfe21.lga:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maxwell. your alfoil hat is on backwards.
>>>>>> Stealth Pilot
>>>>>
>>>>> Which Maxwell, there are at least three.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's just what he wants you to think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Really? Who's he?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You kow who, don'tcha?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Yup, he's Burtie, and everyone knows it.
>
Do they? How?
Go on. Tell everyone.
Bertie
>
>
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 04:17 PM
The world (And FAA Management) will never know
Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation
Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
Airport.
http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
FAA Management a.k.a. "The Tombstone Agency" FINALLY
got around to it after TWO near DISASTERS???????
Like I said, a huge air disaster combined with high fuel
prices "could" put a death spike into the airline industry.
The FAILED policies of the FAA combined with FAA incompetent
management has lead us down this road toward disaster for years.
The old saying one straw will break the camels back??
Wait till a mid-air rains about 500 bodies and parts and goo
over some metropolitan area
All you FAA sycophants will be looking for new employment.
Repeat after me.............
"You want fries with that sir"??
Mike wrote:
> "FUBAR7" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> How many sock puppets do you have?
>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,381129,00.html
>
> Close calls like that happen all the time at all major airports and have
> been for many years. They will continue to happen regardless of how
> much or little NATCA feeds these stories to the media to serve their own
> interests.
>
> And no matter how much YOU try to play on irrational fears, flying on a
> commercial airliner is still OVER 20 TIMES SAFER than driving your own
> car. I suggest you peddle your nonsense on a non-pilot forum where you
> can better take advantage of ignorance. Nobody here is buying.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>> "77777" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> A few reminders for FAA Management pukes. While you gorge on sheet
>>>> cake and devise ways to screw over your front line safety employees
>>>> take a few seconds and look at these links.
>>>>
>>>> This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety.
>>>
>>> Of all the links you posted, none had anything to do with the FAA
>>> other than the 20 year old PSA 182 crash in which the crew was given
>>> and accepted a visual clearance.
>>>
>>> You should stop licking so many Chinese toys.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remember, your GS-"Oh-My God" tax waste positions in your cubicle
>>>> rat locations don't mean **** in the big picture
>>>> of life.
>>>>
>>>> Get ready because it's a coming. Any day now.
>>>>
>>>> The blood will be on YOUR hands
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/minu-02.html
>>>>
>>>> http://univers-cite.qc.ca/tucs/crv/psa_f182/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20050905.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w20070717.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ms843/photo.shtml
>>>>
>>>> http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/stunts/Plane_Crash_Compilation_1/#34754
>>>>
>>>
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 04:31 PM
More info on the near pink mist at JFK
http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/kennedy.airport.collision.2.769281.html
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
July 12th 08, 04:32 PM
FUBAR7 wrote:
>
> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>
> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>
> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>
> WASHINGTON --
> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
> Administration has
> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
> Airport.
>
> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>
> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>
Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
controllers?
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 04:39 PM
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> FUBAR7 wrote:
>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>
>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>
>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>
>> WASHINGTON --
>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>> Administration has
>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>> Airport.
>>
>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>
>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>
>
> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
> controllers?
>
>
Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
draconian management
Maxwell[_2_]
July 12th 08, 04:45 PM
"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
> Do they? How?
>
>
> Go on. Tell everyone.
>
>
No need, everyone but you already knows it, dumb ass.
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
July 12th 08, 05:34 PM
FUBAR7 wrote:
> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>
>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>
>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON --
>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>> Administration has
>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>> Airport.
>>>
>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>
>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>
>>
>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>> controllers?
>>
>>
>
> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
> draconian management
>
What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers involved in
these incidents?
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 06:15 PM
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> FUBAR7 wrote:
>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>
>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>
>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>
>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>> Administration has
>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>> Airport.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>
>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>
>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>> controllers?
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>> draconian management
>>
>
> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers involved in
> these incidents?
>
>
EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT
POSITIONS BUT REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE
CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS
Poor training
FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe
parallel runway configuration and procedures at JFK
Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
Ridiculous dress codes
Salary cuts
No union contract
Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are
unqualified
And many more too numerous to mention.
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
July 12th 08, 06:22 PM
FUBAR7 wrote:
> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>>
>>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>>
>>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>>> Administration has
>>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>>> Airport.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>>
>>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>>> controllers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>>> draconian management
>>>
>>
>> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
>> involved in these incidents?
>>
>>
>
> EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT
> POSITIONS BUT REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE
> CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS
>
> Poor training
> FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe
> parallel runway configuration and procedures at JFK
> Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
> Ridiculous dress codes
> Salary cuts
> No union contract
> Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
> Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
> Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are
> unqualified
> And many more too numerous to mention.
>
Why was NATCA unable to stop any of those?
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
July 12th 08, 07:27 PM
"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:Uk4ek.20326$%q.8380
@newsfe24.lga:
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Do they? How?
>>
>>
>> Go on. Tell everyone.
>>
>>
>
> No need, everyone but you already knows it, dumb ass.
>
>
>
Really?
I'm amazed they haven't mentioned something.
Bertie
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 08:40 PM
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> FUBAR7 wrote:
>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>>>> Administration has
>>>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>>>> Airport.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>>>> controllers?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>>>> draconian management
>>>>
>>> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
>>> involved in these incidents?
>>>
>>>
>> EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT
>> POSITIONS BUT REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE
>> CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS
>>
>> Poor training
>> FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe
>> parallel runway configuration and procedures at JFK
>> Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
>> Ridiculous dress codes
>> Salary cuts
>> No union contract
>> Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
>> Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
>> Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are
>> unqualified
>> And many more too numerous to mention.
>>
>
> Why was NATCA unable to stop any of those?
>
>
>
Anti-Labor and Anti-Union mandates sent forth from God on
High(Bush Administration)
Laws of physics allows putrid turd of anti-worker/anti-labor
to roll down all the way until it hits the bottom tier
workers in the face.
FAA management sycophants and managers who have sold their
soul for 30 pieces of silver and are weak and minion
servants to the upper management goons perpetuate the
draconian work atmosphere within the FAA.
The 2007 Government employee survey done by an independent
research company rated the FAA 204 out of 222 overall in
employee morale
In other words the FAA got an F-MINUS
The work atmosphere in the FAA is compared by many to
a sweat shop or saw mill or Chinese tennis shoe factory.
I think that about sums it up
Mike[_22_]
July 12th 08, 09:08 PM
"FUBAR7" > wrote in message
...
> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>
> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles with some FAA
> sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>
> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York regarding the
> 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>
> WASHINGTON --
> After another close call, the Federal Aviation Administration has
> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy Airport.
>
> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>
> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA has screamed for
> over 10 years the runway configuration was ****ED UP and a accident
> waiting to happen at JFK.
>
> FAA Management a.k.a. "The Tombstone Agency" FINALLY
> got around to it after TWO near DISASTERS???????
>
> Like I said, a huge air disaster combined with high fuel prices "could"
> put a death spike into the airline industry. The FAILED policies of the
> FAA combined with FAA incompetent management has lead us down this road
> toward disaster for years.
>
> The old saying one straw will break the camels back??
>
> Wait till a mid-air rains about 500 bodies and parts and goo over some
> metropolitan area
>
> All you FAA sycophants will be looking for new employment.
>
> Repeat after me.............
>
> "You want fries with that sir"??
Brings back fond memories of the '81 strike and running into former ATCSs
who wanted the same pay as 747 captains and a 32 hour work week. At least
the 2nd part panned out for them.
Mike[_22_]
July 12th 08, 10:04 PM
"FUBAR7" > wrote in message
...
> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>>
>>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>>
>>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>>> Administration has
>>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>>> Airport.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>>
>>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>>> controllers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>>> draconian management
>>>
>>
>> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers involved
>> in these incidents?
>
> EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
> REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS
>
> Poor training
An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in training
for the position in question.
> FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel runway
> configuration and procedures at JFK
Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the procedures
being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing press releases on
every other play on irrational fears they can think of.
> Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the past 26
years running.
Boy/Wolf.
> Ridiculous dress codes
Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and T-shirts to
work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed, doesn't it?
> Salary cuts
No controller ever received a salary cut.
> No union contract
Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a contract
per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied for and
endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago when they were
getting massive pay increases.
> Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their job
that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting EXTRA pay for
doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA members agreed to do
in order to get massive pay increases in their last contract never
materialized. In other words, when NATCA members are paid more to
supposedly do more, but don't do more, that's OK, but when management
expects them to actually do the job they are paid to do, that's not OK.
Then when they don't do the job they are paid to do, they blame their own
failures on "management".
> Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
False.
> Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified
Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true bigoted
colors are shining through.
> And many more too numerous to mention.
Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them were
any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.
Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an accident
where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points and hopefully go
back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting ridiculous raises for doing
nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on position during an 8 hour shift.
Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member controllers are
very good and professional employees that do a very good job and complain
very little because they know they have it good. Then you have those who
are like this guy. Chances are he's nothing more than a perennial
complainer who can't hack it to begin with. He has a bone to pick with FAA
management because they had the audacity to expect him to actually do
something to earn his salary. With any luck, his Type A personality will
cause him to lose his medical and his job (if this hasn't happened already),
or perhaps his boss will finally get enough of his crap and fire him for
performance issues. In the mean time he will continue to blame all his
problems on minorities and FAA management when even the casual observer can
tell he's the root of his own problems.
You can always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's the type
that will refuse your requests even though he's not that busy, give you a
****ty attitude, and send you around the long way just because he wants to
use a job action to make one of his pointless points. So you put up with
his crap knowing you'll be handed off in a few minutes to a more
professional controller, but don't forget his fellow employees and other
pilots have to put up with his crap for a lot longer.
If you want to do your fellow pilots, the FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask for his
initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the number of the
facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and location. When you call
the facility, ask for the QA manager's number, or if it's a smaller facility
ask for the facility manager. Tell them what happened. Mr. Fubar WILL get
called on the carpet, and his boss will have the tapes and the radar data in
front of them. If it happens enough, he'll get his certification pulled,
and with any luck, he'll be out the door. It's just a simple way you as a
pilot can improve the level of service you receive from the FAA. Believe it
or not, the FAA does treat pilot feedback very seriously.
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 10:15 PM
Mike wrote:
> "FUBAR7" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>
>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles with some
>> FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>
>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York regarding
>> the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>
>> WASHINGTON --
>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation Administration has
>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy Airport.
>>
>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>
>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA has screamed
>> for over 10 years the runway configuration was ****ED UP and a
>> accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>
>> FAA Management a.k.a. "The Tombstone Agency" FINALLY
>> got around to it after TWO near DISASTERS???????
>>
>> Like I said, a huge air disaster combined with high fuel prices
>> "could" put a death spike into the airline industry. The FAILED
>> policies of the FAA combined with FAA incompetent management has lead
>> us down this road toward disaster for years.
>>
>> The old saying one straw will break the camels back??
>>
>> Wait till a mid-air rains about 500 bodies and parts and goo over some
>> metropolitan area
>>
>> All you FAA sycophants will be looking for new employment.
>>
>> Repeat after me.............
>>
>> "You want fries with that sir"??
>
> Brings back fond memories of the '81 strike and running into former
> ATCSs who wanted the same pay as 747 captains and a 32 hour work week.
> At least the 2nd part panned out for them.
>
>
The guys moving tin deserve a lot more money then the FAA
managers sitting in some cubicle doing NOTHING that's for sure
So, I take it you want the controllers to work 50 hours a
week and stay tired all the time like some worker in a
tennis shoe factory huh??
I am sure they will remember that when you are low on fuel
and lost in pea soup and the only thing between you and
death is that controllers calm voice
FUBAR7
July 12th 08, 10:18 PM
Mike wrote:
> "FUBAR7" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>>>> Administration has
>>>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>>>> Airport.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>>>> controllers?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>>>> draconian management
>>>>
>>>
>>> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
>>> involved in these incidents?
>>
>> EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
>> REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN
>> POSITIONS
>>
>> Poor training
>
> An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in
> training for the position in question.
>
>> FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel
>> runway configuration and procedures at JFK
>
> Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the
> procedures being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing
> press releases on every other play on irrational fears they can think of.
>
>> Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
>
> According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the past
> 26 years running.
>
> Boy/Wolf.
>
>> Ridiculous dress codes
>
> Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and T-shirts
> to work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed, doesn't it?
>
>> Salary cuts
>
> No controller ever received a salary cut.
>
>> No union contract
>
> Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a
> contract per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied
> for and endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago when
> they were getting massive pay increases.
>
>> Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
>
> Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their
> job that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting EXTRA
> pay for doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA members
> agreed to do in order to get massive pay increases in their last
> contract never materialized. In other words, when NATCA members are
> paid more to supposedly do more, but don't do more, that's OK, but when
> management expects them to actually do the job they are paid to do,
> that's not OK. Then when they don't do the job they are paid to do, they
> blame their own failures on "management".
>
>> Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
>
> False.
>
>> Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified
>
> Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true bigoted
> colors are shining through.
>
>> And many more too numerous to mention.
>
> Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them
> were any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.
>
> Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an accident
> where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points and
> hopefully go back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting ridiculous
> raises for doing nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on position during
> an 8 hour shift.
>
> Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member controllers
> are very good and professional employees that do a very good job and
> complain very little because they know they have it good. Then you have
> those who are like this guy. Chances are he's nothing more than a
> perennial complainer who can't hack it to begin with. He has a bone to
> pick with FAA management because they had the audacity to expect him to
> actually do something to earn his salary. With any luck, his Type A
> personality will cause him to lose his medical and his job (if this
> hasn't happened already), or perhaps his boss will finally get enough of
> his crap and fire him for performance issues. In the mean time he will
> continue to blame all his problems on minorities and FAA management when
> even the casual observer can tell he's the root of his own problems.
>
> You can always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's the
> type that will refuse your requests even though he's not that busy, give
> you a ****ty attitude, and send you around the long way just because he
> wants to use a job action to make one of his pointless points. So you
> put up with his crap knowing you'll be handed off in a few minutes to a
> more professional controller, but don't forget his fellow employees and
> other pilots have to put up with his crap for a lot longer.
>
> If you want to do your fellow pilots, the FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
> employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask for
> his initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the number of
> the facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and location. When
> you call the facility, ask for the QA manager's number, or if it's a
> smaller facility ask for the facility manager. Tell them what
> happened. Mr. Fubar WILL get called on the carpet, and his boss will
> have the tapes and the radar data in front of them. If it happens
> enough, he'll get his certification pulled, and with any luck, he'll be
> out the door. It's just a simple way you as a pilot can improve the
> level of service you receive from the FAA. Believe it or not, the FAA
> does treat pilot feedback very seriously.
Blah-Blah-Blah
Obviously you are clueless and you have no idea how the real
ATCT world works
<PLONK>
Mike[_22_]
July 12th 08, 10:27 PM
"FUBAR7" > wrote in message
...
> Mike wrote:
>> "FUBAR7" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>
>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles with some FAA
>>> sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>
>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York regarding
>>> the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON --
>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation Administration has
>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy Airport.
>>>
>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>
>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA has screamed
>>> for over 10 years the runway configuration was ****ED UP and a accident
>>> waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>
>>> FAA Management a.k.a. "The Tombstone Agency" FINALLY
>>> got around to it after TWO near DISASTERS???????
>>>
>>> Like I said, a huge air disaster combined with high fuel prices "could"
>>> put a death spike into the airline industry. The FAILED policies of the
>>> FAA combined with FAA incompetent management has lead us down this road
>>> toward disaster for years.
>>>
>>> The old saying one straw will break the camels back??
>>>
>>> Wait till a mid-air rains about 500 bodies and parts and goo over some
>>> metropolitan area
>>>
>>> All you FAA sycophants will be looking for new employment.
>>>
>>> Repeat after me.............
>>>
>>> "You want fries with that sir"??
>>
>> Brings back fond memories of the '81 strike and running into former ATCSs
>> who wanted the same pay as 747 captains and a 32 hour work week. At
>> least the 2nd part panned out for them.
>>
>>
>
> The guys moving tin deserve a lot more money then the FAA managers sitting
> in some cubicle doing NOTHING that's for sure
You don't move tin, Mr. Fubar. You sit in an ergonomically correct chair in
a climate controlled room and speak into a microphone. The aircrews who you
fantasize about their untimely demise move "tin". Furthermore many of those
do actually work under very demanding conditions (unlike the ones you
pretend to have), and many of those actually did get a substantial pay cut
(unlike the one you pretended to have). You would do well to remember that,
but I highly doubt you ever will and will intead chose to wallow in
self-pity that nobody else cares about.
> So, I take it you want the controllers to work 50 hours a week and stay
> tired all the time like some worker in a tennis shoe factory huh??
>
>
> I am sure they will remember that when you are low on fuel and lost in pea
> soup and the only thing between you and death is that controllers calm
> voice
The best you can do is sit around and fantasize about an aircrew's demise so
you can make your silly points about how "bad" you have it?
You truly are a sad, pathetic individual.
Mike[_22_]
July 12th 08, 10:29 PM
"FUBAR7" > wrote in message
...
> Mike wrote:
>> "FUBAR7" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>>>>> Administration has
>>>>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>>>>> Airport.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>>>>> controllers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>>>>> draconian management
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
>>>> involved in these incidents?
>>>
>>> EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
>>> REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN
>>> POSITIONS
>>>
>>> Poor training
>>
>> An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in
>> training for the position in question.
>>
>>> FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel runway
>>> configuration and procedures at JFK
>>
>> Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the
>> procedures being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing
>> press releases on every other play on irrational fears they can think of.
>>
>>> Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
>>
>> According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the past
>> 26 years running.
>>
>> Boy/Wolf.
>>
>>> Ridiculous dress codes
>>
>> Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and T-shirts
>> to work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed, doesn't it?
>>
>>> Salary cuts
>>
>> No controller ever received a salary cut.
>>
>>> No union contract
>>
>> Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a
>> contract per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied for
>> and endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago when they
>> were getting massive pay increases.
>>
>>> Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
>>
>> Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their job
>> that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting EXTRA pay
>> for doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA members agreed
>> to do in order to get massive pay increases in their last contract never
>> materialized. In other words, when NATCA members are paid more to
>> supposedly do more, but don't do more, that's OK, but when management
>> expects them to actually do the job they are paid to do, that's not OK.
>> Then when they don't do the job they are paid to do, they blame their own
>> failures on "management".
>>
>>> Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
>>
>> False.
>>
>>> Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified
>>
>> Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true bigoted
>> colors are shining through.
>>
>>> And many more too numerous to mention.
>>
>> Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them
>> were any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.
>>
>> Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an accident
>> where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points and hopefully
>> go back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting ridiculous raises for
>> doing nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on position during an 8 hour
>> shift.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member controllers
>> are very good and professional employees that do a very good job and
>> complain very little because they know they have it good. Then you have
>> those who are like this guy. Chances are he's nothing more than a
>> perennial complainer who can't hack it to begin with. He has a bone to
>> pick with FAA management because they had the audacity to expect him to
>> actually do something to earn his salary. With any luck, his Type A
>> personality will cause him to lose his medical and his job (if this
>> hasn't happened already), or perhaps his boss will finally get enough of
>> his crap and fire him for performance issues. In the mean time he will
>> continue to blame all his problems on minorities and FAA management when
>> even the casual observer can tell he's the root of his own problems.
>>
>> You can always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's the
>> type that will refuse your requests even though he's not that busy, give
>> you a ****ty attitude, and send you around the long way just because he
>> wants to use a job action to make one of his pointless points. So you
>> put up with his crap knowing you'll be handed off in a few minutes to a
>> more professional controller, but don't forget his fellow employees and
>> other pilots have to put up with his crap for a lot longer.
>>
>> If you want to do your fellow pilots, the FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
>> employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask for
>> his initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the number of the
>> facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and location. When you
>> call the facility, ask for the QA manager's number, or if it's a smaller
>> facility ask for the facility manager. Tell them what happened. Mr.
>> Fubar WILL get called on the carpet, and his boss will have the tapes and
>> the radar data in front of them. If it happens enough, he'll get his
>> certification pulled, and with any luck, he'll be out the door. It's
>> just a simple way you as a pilot can improve the level of service you
>> receive from the FAA. Believe it or not, the FAA does treat pilot
>> feedback very seriously.
>
> Blah-Blah-Blah
>
> Obviously you are clueless and you have no idea how the real ATCT world
> works
Actually I do, you know it, and that's why you're running away about right
now.
>
> <PLONK>
Music to my ears.
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
July 13th 08, 03:27 AM
FUBAR7 wrote:
> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>>>>> Administration has
>>>>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>>>>> Airport.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>>>>> controllers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>>>>> draconian management
>>>>>
>>>> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
>>>> involved in these incidents?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT
>>> POSITIONS BUT REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE
>>> CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS
>>>
>>> Poor training
>>> FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe
>>> parallel runway configuration and procedures at JFK
>>> Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
>>> Ridiculous dress codes
>>> Salary cuts
>>> No union contract
>>> Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
>>> Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
>>> Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are
>>> unqualified
>>> And many more too numerous to mention.
>>>
>>
>> Why was NATCA unable to stop any of those?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Anti-Labor and Anti-Union mandates sent forth from God on
> High(Bush Administration)
>
> Laws of physics allows putrid turd of anti-worker/anti-labor
> to roll down all the way until it hits the bottom tier
> workers in the face.
>
> FAA management sycophants and managers who have sold their
> soul for 30 pieces of silver and are weak and minion
> servants to the upper management goons perpetuate the
> draconian work atmosphere within the FAA.
>
> The 2007 Government employee survey done by an independent
> research company rated the FAA 204 out of 222 overall in
> employee morale
>
> In other words the FAA got an F-MINUS
> The work atmosphere in the FAA is compared by many to
> a sweat shop or saw mill or Chinese tennis shoe factory.
>
> I think that about sums it up
>
No it doesn't. The part you're missing is that NATCA is part of the
problem. It's true that the FAA management is dominated by ineptitude at
every level but it's also true that NATCA is dominated by poor leadership at
every level. The best controllers are caught between them. They never
joined the union and aren't what the FAA seeks for management.
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
July 13th 08, 03:29 AM
FUBAR7 wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> "FUBAR7" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>>>>> FUBAR7 wrote:
>>>>>>> The world (And FAA Management) will never know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
>>>>>>> with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
>>>>>>> regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WASHINGTON --
>>>>>>> After another close call, the Federal Aviation
>>>>>>> Administration has
>>>>>>> finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
>>>>>>> Airport.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
>>>>>>> has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
>>>>>>> ****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
>>>>>> controllers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
>>>>> draconian management
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
>>>> involved in these incidents?
>>>
>>> EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
>>> REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN
>>> POSITIONS
>>>
>>> Poor training
>>
>> An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in
>> training for the position in question.
>>
>>> FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel
>>> runway configuration and procedures at JFK
>>
>> Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the
>> procedures being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing
>> press releases on every other play on irrational fears they can
>> think of.
>>> Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
>>
>> According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the
>> past 26 years running.
>>
>> Boy/Wolf.
>>
>>> Ridiculous dress codes
>>
>> Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and
>> T-shirts to work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed,
>> doesn't it?
>>> Salary cuts
>>
>> No controller ever received a salary cut.
>>
>>> No union contract
>>
>> Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a
>> contract per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied
>> for and endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago
>> when they were getting massive pay increases.
>>
>>> Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
>>
>> Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their
>> job that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting
>> EXTRA pay for doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA
>> members agreed to do in order to get massive pay increases in their
>> last contract never materialized. In other words, when NATCA
>> members are paid more to supposedly do more, but don't do more,
>> that's OK, but when management expects them to actually do the job
>> they are paid to do, that's not OK. Then when they don't do the job
>> they are paid to do, they blame their own failures on "management".
>>
>>> Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
>>
>> False.
>>
>>> Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified
>>
>> Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true
>> bigoted colors are shining through.
>>
>>> And many more too numerous to mention.
>>
>> Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them
>> were any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.
>>
>> Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an
>> accident where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points
>> and hopefully go back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting
>> ridiculous raises for doing nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on
>> position during an 8 hour shift.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member
>> controllers are very good and professional employees that do a very
>> good job and complain very little because they know they have it
>> good. Then you have those who are like this guy. Chances are he's
>> nothing more than a perennial complainer who can't hack it to begin
>> with. He has a bone to pick with FAA management because they had
>> the audacity to expect him to actually do something to earn his
>> salary. With any luck, his Type A personality will cause him to
>> lose his medical and his job (if this hasn't happened already), or
>> perhaps his boss will finally get enough of his crap and fire him
>> for performance issues. In the mean time he will continue to blame
>> all his problems on minorities and FAA management when even the
>> casual observer can tell he's the root of his own problems. You can
>> always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's
>> the type that will refuse your requests even though he's not that
>> busy, give you a ****ty attitude, and send you around the long way
>> just because he wants to use a job action to make one of his
>> pointless points. So you put up with his crap knowing you'll be
>> handed off in a few minutes to a more professional controller, but
>> don't forget his fellow employees and other pilots have to put up
>> with his crap for a lot longer. If you want to do your fellow pilots, the
>> FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
>> employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask
>> for his initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the
>> number of the facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and
>> location. When you call the facility, ask for the QA manager's
>> number, or if it's a smaller facility ask for the facility manager. Tell
>> them what happened. Mr. Fubar WILL get called on the carpet, and his
>> boss will
>> have the tapes and the radar data in front of them. If it happens
>> enough, he'll get his certification pulled, and with any luck, he'll
>> be out the door. It's just a simple way you as a pilot can improve
>> the level of service you receive from the FAA. Believe it or not,
>> the FAA does treat pilot feedback very seriously.
>
> Blah-Blah-Blah
>
> Obviously you are clueless and you have no idea how the real
> ATCT world works
>
Do you believe you know how the real ATC world works?
Orval Fairbairn[_2_]
July 13th 08, 04:12 AM
In article >, FUBAR7 >
wrote:
> More info on the near pink mist at JFK
>
> http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/kennedy.airport.collision.2.769281.html
A HALF MILE???
Oh, the humanity!
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