Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013

[Mike[_7_]]

Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
commander said on Monday.

"We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.

The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.

The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.

Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
countries.

[Jack Linthicum]

On Jul 11, 1:28 pm, Mike > wrote:
> Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
> ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
> a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
> commander said on Monday.
>
> "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
> receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.
>
> The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
> or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
> manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
>
> The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
> vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
> superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.
>
> Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
> comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
>
> It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
> fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
> countries.

Interesting, it hasn't even flown yet and is at least two years late.
Typical Russian

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20071206/91196743.html

Russia to test fifth-generation fighter in 2009
16:52 | 06/ 12/ 2007



LANGKAWI, December 6 (RIA Novosti) - Flight tests of a fifth-
generation Russian-Indian fighter will begin as early as 2009 and mass
production of the aircraft may start by 2015, the Sukhoi aircraft
maker said Wednesday.

A Russian-Indian advanced multirole fighter is being developed from a
Russian prototype by Sukhoi, which is part of Russia's United Aircraft
Corporation (UAC), and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, under an
intergovernmental agreement signed in October.

"At present we are building prototypes of the fifth-generation fighter
and will soon start preparation for flight-testing, which is planned
for 2009," Sukhoi CEO Mikhail Pogosyan announced at the Langkawi
International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) 2007 exhibition in
Malaysia.

Pogosyan said mass production of the future fighter could begin by
2015.

The new fighter aircraft, which will feature high maneuverability and
stealth to ensure air superiority and precision in destroying ground
and sea targets, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft-
manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.

Discussing the future implementation of the Russian-Indian project,
Pogosyan said joint efforts should be focused on three areas:
coordination of technical specifications, application of advanced
technologies, and preparation of a legal framework for future
cooperation.

"We have conducted preliminary discussions on these issues and now we
have to work out a detailed program for the implementation of the
[fifth-generation fighter] project," the official said.

India and Russia have a long history of military cooperation, going
back almost half a century. The existing Russian-Indian military-
technical cooperation program, which lasts until 2010, lists up to 200
projects worth about $18 billion in all, according to Russia's defense
ministry.

[eyeball]

On Jul 11, 1:28*pm, Mike > wrote:
> Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
> ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
> a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
> commander said on Monday.
>
> "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
> receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.
>
> The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
> or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
> manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
>
> The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
> vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
> superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.
>
> Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
> comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
>
> It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
> fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
> countries.

Will this be before or after the USAF announces the beginning phases
of a search for it's SIXTH gen fighter?

[Ian B MacLure]

Mike > wrote in news:429d734c-7a9e-41eb-acd2-
:

> Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
> ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
> a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
> commander said on Monday.

[snip]

So will it have the avionics a 5G aircraft needs or is it simply
another wowee airframe?

IBM

[Eunometic]

On Jul 12, 3:28 am, Mike > wrote:
> Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
> ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
> a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
> commander said on Monday.
>
> "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
> receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.
>
> The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
> or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
> manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
>
> The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
> vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
> superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.


This is actually total vindication of the F-22 concepts. Congress
better keep production lines open or make sure a follow on aircraft is
funded.
>
> Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
> comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
>
> It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
> fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
> countries.

[Mark Test]

"Jack Linthicum" > wrote in message
...
> On Jul 11, 1:28 pm, Mike > wrote:
> > Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
> > ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
> > a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
> > commander said on Monday.
> >
> > "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
> > receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.
> >
> > The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
> > or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
> > manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
> >
> > The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
> > vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
> > superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.
> >
> > Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
> > comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
> >
> > It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
> > fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
> > countries.
>
> Interesting, it hasn't even flown yet and is at least two years late.
> Typical Russian
>
The russians are also late on the delivery of India's Akula IIRC....



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[David E. Powell]

On Jul 12, 4:15*am, Eunometic > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 3:28 am, Mike > wrote:
>
> > Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
> > ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
> > a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
> > commander said on Monday.
>
> > "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
> > receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.
>
> > The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
> > or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
> > manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
>
> > The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
> > vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
> > superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.
>
> This is actually total vindication of the F-22 concepts. * Congress
> better keep production lines open or make sure a follow on aircraft is
> funded.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
> > comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
>
> > It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
> > fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
> > countries.

Outspend em again?

[Eunometic]

On Jul 13, 2:13 pm, "David E. Powell" >
wrote:
> On Jul 12, 4:15 am, Eunometic > wrote:
>
>
SNIP
>
> Outspend em again?

Ultimately that's what it often gets down to. It is best to produce a
cost effective aircraft.

I think it was correct to make the bold decision to produce a stealthy
air superiority fighter. The appropriate work had been done in the
Have Blue program and experience had been gained with the F-117.
Aiming higher rather than lower was appropriate. The F-15 and to a
lessor extent F-16 were still outstanding aircraft with outstanding
radar and missiles that were in the same performance league as the Su
27 series and the MiG 29. What slight advantages these soviet
aircraft might have had in some areas in some variants of the aircraft
(helmet queuing of infrared missiles, miniature canards and thrust
vectoring for super maneuverability in some small production run odd
ball versions of that aircraft were not a decisive advantage. All of
these features were adaptable to the F-15 should it have been desired
and indeed all of them were at one point. Upgrading F-15 radars
(such as the AESA radars) or adding thrust vectoring still gives the
USAF one of the finest aircraft in the world. The USAF could afford
to gamble on the F-22. The aircraft is proving to be no more
expensive than an Eurofighter typhoon. In the end all of the fart
arseing around on the Su-27 and MiG 29 series to make them outstanding
dogfighters was a mere distraction from the reality that the new
generation of Soviet aircraft was going to be engaged and and
destroyed by stealthy aircraft at ranges well before a dogfight could
take place.

By the time the new generation of stealthy soviet aircraft go to
market in 5 or more like it 8 years time the F-22 will have radar
upgrades and probably upgrades to its thrust vectoring nozzles and
flight control software

[Vaughn Simon]

"David E. Powell" > wrote in message
...

>Outspend em again?

That will probably never happen again. Russia is quickly becoming an
important oil exporter.

Vaughn

[JG]

On Jul 11, 12:56 pm, Jack Linthicum >
wrote:
> On Jul 11, 1:28 pm, Mike > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
> > ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
> > a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
> > commander said on Monday.
>
> > "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
> > receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.
>
> > The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
> > or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
> > manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
>
> > The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
> > vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
> > superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.
>
> > Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
> > comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
>
> > It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
> > fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
> > countries.
>
> Interesting, it hasn't even flown yet and is at least two years late.
> Typical Russian
>

Its taking longer for their Indian correspondents to gather the
designs and software from US "sources"...JG

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

"JG" > wrote in message
...
> On Jul 11, 12:56 pm, Jack Linthicum >
> wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 1:28 pm, Mike > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013
>> > ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting
>> > a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force
>> > commander said on Monday.
>>
>> > "We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to
>> > receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.
>>
>> > The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA
>> > or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft
>> > manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
>>
>> > The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust
>> > vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air
>> > superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.
>>
>> > Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be
>> > comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
>>
>> > It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker
>> > fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other
>> > countries.
>>
>> Interesting, it hasn't even flown yet and is at least two years late.
>> Typical Russian
>>
>
> Its taking longer for their Indian correspondents to gather the
> designs and software from US "sources"...JG

Yes I believe the Chinese may now have a few of them, they're a very
secretive sort.

cheers....Jeff

[[email protected]]

> Outspend em again
in general, term "expensive" does not mean the best one

we already have had G5 thing to try long time ago

see, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2lm2QzCp8

Kind russian regards,
Yuri

www.testpilots.ru

[Eunometic]

On Jul 18, 4:50 pm, wrote:
> > Outspend em again
>
> in general, term "expensive" does not mean the best one
>
> we already have had G5 thing to try long time ago
>
> see,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2lm2QzCp8
>
> Kind russian regards,
> Yuri
>
> www.testpilots.ru

Although I can respect the impressive engineering in the MiG 1.42, Su
27/37 series, S.47 I can not take them seriously as
5th generation fighters. They are barely 4th generation aircraft.
They are barely and improvement over the F-15.

The Americans have with the F22 produced an air superiority fighter
that is vastly superior to anything else in the
world whether that be French, European or CIS or Russian. By vastly
superior I mean that the kill ratio will be
in favour of the F-22 by a very large margin.

This is easy to understand, the F-22 will detect any opposing aircraft
first, it will then be able to fire a missile first and destroy the it
enemy in large numbers. Modern missiles are quite reliable.

The Russian officers and engineers who set out to produce the MiG 1.42
and S.47 and Su 37 set out to produce an aircraft better than the 35
year old F-15. They succeeded in producing a slightly better aircraft
in some areas.

The USAF strategists and engineers who created the F-22 produced a
completely new concept that makes irrelevant these old ideas.

What the Mikoyan and Sukhoi have succeeded in producing are aircraft
that have the same thrust to weight ratio as the F-15 and the same
armament levels but better instantaneous turn rates due to more
complicated aerodynamics, possibly they have smaller radar signatures
but only by a small amount (a reduction by a factor of 10 is
insignificant). These so called 5th generation aircraft are only
slightly better than the 35 year old F-15. When the F-15 is upgraded
with modern radar (eg AESA) and missiles there is little better about
the new Soviet fighters except better dog fighting though there climb
rates and acceleration is likely to be little better. I understand
that the Russian or CIS short range missiles have evolved exceptional
maneuverability. The F-22 is designed to destroy its opponents well
before a dogfight can occur. I'm sure if a dogfight does occur the
F-22 with its truly exceptional thrust to weight ratio and very high
cruise speed will do very well.

In seeking to produce their own stealth fighters the Russian air force
has acknowledged this.

Attempts to produce stealth defeating radars based in impulses or bi
static principles will loose much of their effectiveness in the
presence of simple noise jamming.