Re: Liability after sale

[Splat!]

Add $300 to the purchase price,
and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
and protect your uncle's ass.

But poor you !
You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
and will probably be scolded by Ronny !

Splat!
"Franklin Breeden" > wrote in message news:0x6cb.418933$Oz4.210348@rwcrnsc54...
I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50 years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.

As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or possibly other recommendations?

[Ken Sandyeggo]

Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless and
generally invalid. Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it? They're the ones
that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap. "Experimental"
doesn't exempt anyone from getting sued. I'd break the thing down and
sell the main components off one-by-one on the Rotorcraft Forum.
People are always scrounging for engines, frames, wheels, instruments,
propellors (classic spelling) and rotor blades, rotor heads and every
other component. Hope when I'm 80, I'm not concerned about getting
sued. Like Danny DeVito said to the insurance salesmen in the movie
"Tin Men"....or was that the movie about the Air Traffic
Controllers?.....whatever.....anyway: "Do I look like the kind of guy
that gives a **** about what happens after I'm dead?"

Ken J. - San Dee Egg Oh



"Splat!" > wrote in message news:<kBecb.11244$I36.10585@pd7tw3no>...
> Add $300 to the purchase price,
> and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
> and protect your uncle's ass.
>
> But poor you !
> You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
> and will probably be scolded by Ronny !
>
> Splat!
> "Franklin Breeden" > wrote in message
> news:0x6cb.418933$Oz4.210348@rwcrnsc54...
> I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
> years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
> over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
> president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
> failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
> in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
> is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
> getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
> is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
> see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
> guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
> him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
> buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
> buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.
>
> As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
> realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
> disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
> and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
> possibly other recommendations?
> --

[Rod Steidinger]

(Ken Sandyeggo) wrote in message >...
> Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless and
> generally invalid. Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
> and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it? They're the ones
> that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap. "Experimental"
> doesn't exempt anyone from getting sued. I'd break the thing down and
> sell the main components off one-by-one on the Rotorcraft Forum.
> People are always scrounging for engines, frames, wheels, instruments,
> propellors (classic spelling) and rotor blades, rotor heads and every
> other component. Hope when I'm 80, I'm not concerned about getting
> sued. Like Danny DeVito said to the insurance salesmen in the movie
> "Tin Men"....or was that the movie about the Air Traffic
> Controllers?.....whatever.....anyway: "Do I look like the kind of guy
> that gives a **** about what happens after I'm dead?"
>
> Ken J. - San Dee Egg Oh
>
>
>
> "Splat!" > wrote in message news:<kBecb.11244$I36.10585@pd7tw3no>...
> > Add $300 to the purchase price,
> > and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
> > and protect your uncle's ass.
> >
> > But poor you !
> > You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
> > and will probably be scolded by Ronny !
> >
> > Splat!
> > "Franklin Breeden" > wrote in message
> > news:0x6cb.418933$Oz4.210348@rwcrnsc54...
> > I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
> > years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
> > over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
> > president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
> > failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
> > in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
> > is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
> > getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
> > is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
> > see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
> > guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
> > him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
> > buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
> > buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.
> >
> > As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
> > realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
> > disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
> > and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
> > possibly other recommendations?
> > --


The problem here is..........these contracts are almost never binding
upon a third-party, meaning that his wife, brother, parents etc. have
no obligation to honor an agreement that was between you and the
buyer.

[Larry Smith]

Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?




Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless and
generally invalid.

*That must be the reason why you see so many RV's, Skybolts, and Lancairs
for sale in Trade-a-Plane.

*Now put the minutiae where your mouth is. Give examples. Elucidate,
elaborate, and enlarge on these unconstrained remarks.


Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it?

*A married seller's ma and pa are not his heirs at law. Nor his cousins,
but maybe your cousins are your brothers and sisters?

*I knew where there was a case against a seller, but they didn't file it
because property was in his name with his wife. Sorry to disappoint you.


They're the ones
that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap.

*Cute understatement from a frustrated overstater, but no. A suit might be
filed if the defendant is wealthy. But then when is the last one we've
heard of since John Denver's mama sued over that defective fuel valve? Don
't bring up the kook in Florida. His case was an aberration by a freak.
[.]

"Splat!" > wrote in message
news:<kBecb.11244$I36.10585@pd7tw3no>...
> Add $300 to the purchase price,
> and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
> and protect your uncle's ass.
>
> But poor you !
> You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
> and will probably be scolded by Ronny !
>
> Splat!
> "Franklin Breeden" > wrote in message
> news:0x6cb.418933$Oz4.210348@rwcrnsc54...
> I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
> years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
> over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
> president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
> failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
> in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
> is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
> getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
> is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
> see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
> guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
> him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
> buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
> buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.
>
> As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
> realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
> disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
> and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
> possibly other recommendations?
> --

[Ken Sandyeggo]

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message >...
> Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
> you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?......and a bunch of Larry's usual bull****.

Still trying to get under my skin, you loser? You can't do it,
ass-wipe. Took you all these months to come up with the crap you just
posted? How are your latches coming? Still losing sleep over them?
Only an asshole like you would believe that someone "has" to sell you
something that they don't want to. How much did you get when you sued
them? Bwaaaahaaaaahaaa! What are you using, duct-tape? That'd fit
that piece of ******* **** you are or were trying to glue together.
Surely you've given up on it. Sure is fun putting around 100 hours a
year on mine while you screw with that piece of crap whose wheels will
never see air under them. Try again next year. Go back to your
backwoods swamp-shed now and finish patching those latch holes that
you screwed up.

[Barnyard BOb --]

Ken Sandyeggo wrote:

>"Larry Smith" wrote:

>> Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
>> you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?......and a bunch of Larry's usual bull****.
>
>Still trying to get under my skin, you loser? You can't do it,
>ass-wipe. Took you all these months to come up with the crap you just
>posted? How are your latches coming? Still losing sleep over them?
>Only an asshole like you would believe that someone "has" to sell you
>something that they don't want to. How much did you get when you sued
>them? Bwaaaahaaaaahaaa! What are you using, duct-tape? That'd fit
>that piece of ******* **** you are or were trying to glue together.
>Surely you've given up on it. Sure is fun putting around 100 hours a
>year on mine while you screw with that piece of crap whose wheels will
>never see air under them. Try again next year. Go back to your
>backwoods swamp-shed now and finish patching those latch holes that
>you screwed up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Tsk, tsk tsk.
Why, oh why, can't we all just get along?


Barnyard BOb -- not feeling well lately

[Larry Smith]

"Ken Sandyeggo" > foamed in message
om...
> "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
>...
> > Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
> > you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal
responsibility?......and a bunch of Larry's

Ja, he got tagged, probably more'n once. Heheheh.