An open message to the group.

[Clem]

I just became aware of the other group that posts movies
as a norm. I never heard of it before and for some reason my
server doesn't carry it. I'll check with my isp.

In light of this news however, I do not apologize for posting
what the title of this group name represents, a binary format.

The fact that the word binaries is included in the group name
one would believe a movie file could be uploaded here. A simple
picture is a binary format, a movie is a binary format. What's
the difference, size?

If you want "still" pictures only, then name the group to
reflect that issue:

alt.binaries.still.pictures.aviation.

The word pictures to me means, still pictures, scanned pictures
movie pictures and anything else related to aviation that is
binary and picture related. You don't like what I post, don't
look at it. Not sure what a file is about, don't mess with it.

The way a few people here describes a binary group makes the
words binaries and pictures in the same sentence nothing but
a contradictions of terms. It's silly.

The fact that I have seen movies uploaded here by others, albeit
very rare allowed me to believe no problems should arise from it.
As far as file size, I post for the fun of it. I have no idea how
many files will be produced.

To big? I could have used yEnc and reduced the lot by a
considerable amount, but we know what yEnc will get us here.

WITCH! WITCH! yEnc is witchcraft! HA! HA! HA! HA! ya, right!

Don't come back with your facts and figures boring me with what
you have or have not seen posted here. It's obvious what I see
posted is not what you see and visa versa. That point is mute.

Does this mean animated gif's, swf files and the like are not
permitted either? It's a rhetorical question, don't answer it.

The norm here is that if anyone posts something that emphasizes
what you don't like about a file or its content, then loud-mouthed
insensitive pompous bashing commences!

I post a funny movie short not in yEnc to avoid that issue all-
together and all you people do is bitch.

Tell you what, I don't appreciate hanger queen files, I think
they are tacky and if I want to see naked women there are more
appropriate places on the Internet for that stuff.

Next time a plane goes down, don't post the information here.
There's another NG for that stuff.

Next time you find pictures of military planes, don't post them
here. There's another NG for that stuff.

Next time a safety issue for planes comes up, don't post the
information here. There's another NG for that stuff.

Next time you have pictures of R/C planes, don't post the
stuff here. There's another NG for that.

The point here as we all know it, is that they are all aviation
related and fun to share. What's the point going to numerous
NG's?

I don't waste my time viewing things I'm not interested in or
what files in my opinion are to big.

Actually, when I saw how many files my movie upload produced I
swallowed hard. I had no idea that many files would be produced.
For that fact and my oversight (as someone pointed out) for not
mentioning what the movie was about I apologize, but that's
where my apology ends.

Maybe I should start showing my condemnation for things I don't
like to see here.

Let it be known I'm not putting up with anyones crap anymore.

You don't care for me, tough. Notify my ISP of your personality
crises.

You don't like what I post, tough. As long as I stay within the
boundries of my ISP there is no problem as YOU think you see it.

Plonk me, don't view what I post, it's no skin off my nose.

[Alan Erskine[_3_]]

"Clem" > wrote in message
. 97.136...
>I just became aware of the other group that posts movies
> as a norm. I never heard of it before and for some reason my
> server doesn't carry it. I'll check with my isp.

I've been coming here since 1999 - vids are fine as long as they are
on-topic. If I didn't want to see a vid, I suppose there are ways of
excluding them, even for OE.

I for one don't have any problem with you posting. I only have a problem
with part-posts (x/x). Other than that, go for it.

[Clem]

Sj > wrote in news:qolq74tbaq7i74evge55vqhog3ir6loku6@
4ax.com:

> In reading the control messages for this ng & for
> alt.binaries.multimedia.aviation, it sounds like you need to check
> out the multimedia ng ... it sounds like it was created out of a
> desire to post multimedia ("movies, home videos, gun camera
> footage, a/c walk-arounds and the like") while this ng was
> created for pictures ...
>
> Controls can be found here:
> ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/
>
> Sj
>

Thanks for the info. I'll check into it. My post was just to
try and liven things up here, it's been dead on my end for awhile.
Boy, did I ecxceed my wildest expectations!

[Clem]

"Alan Erskine" > wrote in news:xsffk.20081
:

> "Clem" > wrote in message
> . 97.136...
>>I just became aware of the other group that posts movies
>> as a norm. I never heard of it before and for some reason my
>> server doesn't carry it. I'll check with my isp.
>
> I've been coming here since 1999 - vids are fine as long as they are
> on-topic. If I didn't want to see a vid, I suppose there are ways of
> excluding them, even for OE.
>
> I for one don't have any problem with you posting. I only have a problem
> with part-posts (x/x). Other than that, go for it.
>
>
>

I'm getting the impression that not all NG readers distinguish between
a simple picture or something more complicated like a movie file. My
reader shows an entire list of what is available to view and indicates
which are simple pictures, movies, file types and so on.

As far as eliminating part-posts, I'm sure you know the idea was to cut
a big file into smaller pieces making it easier for the server to handle.
All the NG readers I ever used, assemble the individual files seamlessly.
It doesn't get much easier than that.

I think most of the problem here lays in the fact that some people don't
know how to handle anything beyond a simple binary file. I'm not saying
that as put-down towards anyone. It's a fact of life that not everyone
has the same abilities. Just a wild guess on my part.

Thanks for your input and yes, the file was aviation related with a
comical spirit. The video actually won an award.

[Alan Erskine[_3_]]

"Clem" > wrote in message
. 97.136...
> As far as eliminating part-posts, I'm sure you know the idea was to cut
> a big file into smaller pieces making it easier for the server to handle.
> All the NG readers I ever used, assemble the individual files seamlessly.
> It doesn't get much easier than that.

The problem with breaking big files into smaller sections is that not all of
them come through. If it's under, say, 3mb, it shouldn't be a problem for
most people these days (I've had cable for over five years). OE can sort
files by size, in addition to sorting by subject, poster etc; if people are
on a dial-up modem, they can simply exclude files that are too large (tools,
message rules, "where the message size is a certain size").

[Conscious Pilate[_2_]]

Just as a matter of interest my ISP down here in OZ only actually listed 3
of the 24 files that you had sent - so for some of us it is really a pain
not only able to see it, and hence pass comment on it's relevance etc, but
really is a waste of space on the news group.

Whenever I see a movie of any kind that I think the group would be
interested in I just simply post the link - saves a heap of angst.

see ya

Conscious Pilate

[Chris D]

"Conscious Pilate" > wrote in message
u...
> Just as a matter of interest my ISP down here in OZ only actually listed 3
> of the 24 files that you had sent - so for some of us it is really a pain
> not only able to see it, and hence pass comment on it's relevance etc, but
> really is a waste of space on the news group.
>
> Whenever I see a movie of any kind that I think the group would be
> interested in I just simply post the link - saves a heap of angst.
>
> see ya
>
> Conscious Pilate

Bloody Optusnet!!! I'm in the same boat too. Although, I was lucky enough to
get 4 out of 24. BTW did you have trouble downloading alt.binary NG photo's
in the last few weeks? It seems to have cleared up now. But at one stage, I
was only able to open 40% of posts. Very annoying.

Chris

[stanley adelson]

VERY ANNOYING BECAUSE YOU BOTTOM POST
"Chris D" > wrote in message
u...
> "Conscious Pilate" > wrote in message
> u...
>> Just as a matter of interest my ISP down here in OZ only actually listed
>> 3 of the 24 files that you had sent - so for some of us it is really a
>> pain not only able to see it, and hence pass comment on it's relevance
>> etc, but really is a waste of space on the news group.
>>
>> Whenever I see a movie of any kind that I think the group would be
>> interested in I just simply post the link - saves a heap of angst.
>>
>> see ya
>>
>> Conscious Pilate
>
> Bloody Optusnet!!! I'm in the same boat too. Although, I was lucky enough
> to get 4 out of 24. BTW did you have trouble downloading alt.binary NG
> photo's in the last few weeks? It seems to have cleared up now. But at one
> stage, I was only able to open 40% of posts. Very annoying.
>
> Chris
>

[Andrew Chaplin]

[Top-posting corrected.]

"stanley adelson" > wrote in message
...

> "Chris D" > wrote in message
> u...
>> "Conscious Pilate" > wrote in message
>> u...
>>> Just as a matter of interest my ISP down here in OZ only actually listed 3
>>> of the 24 files that you had sent - so for some of us it is really a pain
>>> not only able to see it, and hence pass comment on it's relevance etc, but
>>> really is a waste of space on the news group.
>>>
>>> Whenever I see a movie of any kind that I think the group would be
>>> interested in I just simply post the link - saves a heap of angst.
>>
>> Bloody Optusnet!!! I'm in the same boat too. Although, I was lucky enough
>> to get 4 out of 24. BTW did you have trouble downloading alt.binary NG
>> photo's in the last few weeks? It seems to have cleared up now. But at one
>> stage, I was only able to open 40% of posts. Very annoying.
>
> VERY ANNOYING BECAUSE YOU BOTTOM POST

Bottom posting helps people to follow the context. It is the norm in Usenet.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Harold[_2_]]

"Chris D" > wrote in message
u...
> "Conscious Pilate" > wrote in message
> u...
>> Just as a matter of interest my ISP down here in OZ only actually
>> listed 3 of the 24 files that you had sent - so for some of us it is
>> really a pain not only able to see it, and hence pass comment on it's
>> relevance etc, but really is a waste of space on the news group.
>>
>> Whenever I see a movie of any kind that I think the group would be
>> interested in I just simply post the link - saves a heap of angst.
>>
>> see ya
>>
>> Conscious Pilate
>
> Bloody Optusnet!!! I'm in the same boat too. Although, I was lucky
> enough to get 4 out of 24. BTW did you have trouble downloading
> alt.binary NG photo's in the last few weeks? It seems to have cleared up
> now. But at one stage, I was only able to open 40% of posts. Very
> annoying.
>
> Chris

Ditto. I'm also on Optusnet dial up, and was noticing the same thing. It
was getting to the stage that some of the binaries postings were only
being retained for what seemed like three hours, after which they were
being deleted from the server.

H.

[Alan Erskine[_3_]]

"Harold" <Harold.and.a.bit.more@clotmail> wrote in message
u...

> Ditto. I'm also on Optusnet dial up, and was noticing the same thing. It
> was getting to the stage that some of the binaries postings were only
> being retained for what seemed like three hours, after which they were
> being deleted from the server.

As I said earlier; on Bogplod (aka Bigpond), I only got about 4 of the
parts.

[Clem]

"Alan Erskine" > wrote in
:

> "Clem" > wrote in message
> . 97.136...
>> As far as eliminating part-posts, I'm sure you know the idea was to cut
>> a big file into smaller pieces making it easier for the server to
>> handle. All the NG readers I ever used, assemble the individual files
>> seamlessly. It doesn't get much easier than that.
>
> The problem with breaking big files into smaller sections is that not
> all of them come through. If it's under, say, 3mb, it shouldn't be a
> problem for most people these days (I've had cable for over five years).
> OE can sort files by size, in addition to sorting by subject, poster
> etc; if people are on a dial-up modem, they can simply exclude files
> that are too large (tools, message rules, "where the message size is a
> certain size").
>
>

What a server accepts or is still in the process of putting up for
download is something I have no control over. After I posted the files
I checked and all were there. It took less than 20 seconds to upload
the file which is a fraction of my download rate, approximately 6meg.

Someone said it took forever. Boo! Hoo! get rid of the dialup. What
are posters required to do, offer a guarantee that all files download in
"X" amount of time?

I don't understand some peoples approach to a file sized at over 34,000
lines being good, but a movie file part at 8,000 lines is bad?

No, the nay-sayers are just upset because it's a file beyond their
ability to control or they don't understand it. I could double to 16K
per file slice making it more difficult to pass between servers, but
what good would that do?

The actual processing (transfers, timeouts and the like) between servers
are beyond a posters control. A simple picture file may not post to
other servers completely or at all. That's not the fault of a poster.

It would be nice if companies that maintain NG servers would decide once
and for all a uniform file size that any server could accept from posters
and also the transfer rates between servers.

This is a problem we have all faced even with simple posting and never
realized how much we were missing. One person says there is no problem
because according to him, he see's his 50 or so average posts a day come
through the system. On the other hand, I might recieve 90 or 100 a day.

There are spuratic problems with different systems not to mention that
NG providers are now filtering content and eliminating groups they
consider to be illegal.

I could upload it again as a test file and we can see if anything changes.

[Clem]

"Conscious Pilate" > wrote in news:487dc9e0$0$30460
:

> Just as a matter of interest my ISP down here in OZ only actually listed 3
> of the 24 files that you had sent - so for some of us it is really a pain
> not only able to see it, and hence pass comment on it's relevance etc, but
> really is a waste of space on the news group.
>
> Whenever I see a movie of any kind that I think the group would be
> interested in I just simply post the link - saves a heap of angst.
>
> see ya
>
> Conscious Pilate
>
>

I understand your frustration but again, how am I accountable for what
a server passes to you or does not? I have read replies to original
messages posted in this NG which never posted on my server.

Is that the posters fault? Of course not, it's a server issue.

If you saw only 3 of 24 files on your server but I saw all 24 on my
server, does that suggest anything? No one likes to be teased and
normally I would have only posted a link. In this case it was a file
sent to me that I saved a few years ago. I could not provide a link
in this case.

The movie file was a silly spoof with cheesy animation that actually
won a few awards. Do you want me to repost the file and we can measure
what goes through? I'll mark it as a test file and scream "Fire in the
hole!" before I let it loose.

I already reported to my ISP the noticable lack of posts on my end.

[Alan Erskine[_3_]]

"Clem" > wrote in message
. 97.136...
> "Conscious Pilate" > wrote in
> news:487dc9e0$0$30460
> :
>
>
> I understand your frustration but again, how am I accountable for what
> a server passes to you or does not?

You're not; CP was just pointing it out. Several other people had the same
problem and that can be looked into by the various people.

> I already reported to my ISP the noticable lack of posts on my end.

That's what most would do - talk (try anyway) to their ISP's and see what
happened.

[russell]

"Harold" <Harold.and.a.bit.more@clotmail> wrote in message
u...
>
> "Chris D" > wrote in message
> u...
>> "Conscious Pilate" > wrote in message
>> u...
>>> Just as a matter of interest my ISP down here in OZ only actually listed
>>> 3 of the 24 files that you had sent - so for some of us it is really a
>>> pain not only able to see it, and hence pass comment on it's relevance
>>> etc, but really is a waste of space on the news group.
>>>
>>> Whenever I see a movie of any kind that I think the group would be
>>> interested in I just simply post the link - saves a heap of angst.
>>>
>>> see ya
>>>
>>> Conscious Pilate
>>
>> Bloody Optusnet!!! I'm in the same boat too. Although, I was lucky enough
>> to get 4 out of 24. BTW did you have trouble downloading alt.binary NG
>> photo's in the last few weeks? It seems to have cleared up now. But at
>> one stage, I was only able to open 40% of posts. Very annoying.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Ditto. I'm also on Optusnet dial up, and was noticing the same thing. It
> was getting to the stage that some of the binaries postings were only
> being retained for what seemed like three hours, after which they were
> being deleted from the server.
>
> H.

I'm on Dodo and got 23, 11, 10 and 7.

[Conscious Pilate[_2_]]

exactly the same numbers I got

and yes a week or so ago all I got was 'message no longer available' type
crap - it seems to happen every so often - so bloody frustrating

see ya

Conscious Pilate

[Chris D]

"stanley adelson" > wrote in message
...
> VERY ANNOYING BECAUSE YOU BOTTOM POST

Sorry to hear your annoyed Stanley. But bottom posting a response or
comments is the generally accepted norm.

Regards....Chris

[John Szalay]

"Conscious Pilate" > wrote in
u:

> exactly the same numbers I got
>
> and yes a week or so ago all I got was 'message no longer available'
> type crap - it seems to happen every so often - so bloody frustrating
>
> see ya
>
> Conscious Pilate
>
>
>

AND your going to see even more of it soon, because of the New York AG's
crap..


5 ISP's are dropping all ALT. groups or just atl.binaries groups
others ISPs are going to filter groups so theres going to be delays or
outright blocks..

[HiFlyer]

I'm hoping Mr Cuomo, in his quest for votes, will stop all sites that
encourage treason, terrorism, advertise bomb-making insturction and
supplies, and other "illegal" activities.

I firmly believe we'd all be happier, healthier, and less stressed if
the Mayflower had sunk!!!!

HF


On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:49:11 -0500, John Szalay
> wrote:

>"Conscious Pilate" > wrote in
u:
>
>> exactly the same numbers I got
>>
>> and yes a week or so ago all I got was 'message no longer available'
>> type crap - it seems to happen every so often - so bloody frustrating
>>
>> see ya
>>
>> Conscious Pilate
>>
>>
>>
>
>AND your going to see even more of it soon, because of the New York AG's
>crap..
>
>
> 5 ISP's are dropping all ALT. groups or just atl.binaries groups
>others ISPs are going to filter groups so theres going to be delays or
>outright blocks..
>
>

[Geoff Miller]

Clem > writes:

> That point is mute.


*Moot,* not "mute."

moot, adj.: deprived of practical significance : made abstract
or purely academic. (www.webster.com)



Geoff

--
"'Congressman Kucinich is holding up a pie chart, which is not
truly effective on radio,' Conan told his listeners."
-- Newsday.com

[Richard Brooks[_2_]]

Chris D said the following on 17/07/2008 13:30:
> "stanley adelson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> VERY ANNOYING BECAUSE YOU BOTTOM POST
>
> Sorry to hear your annoyed Stanley. But bottom posting a response or
> comments is the generally accepted norm.
>
> Regards....Chris

When readers of books die out, I wonder if it will be the norm in the
future - like talking about clockwise and anti-clockwise to people who
have only seen the 24-hour digital clock?

[Clem]

(Geoff Miller) wrote in news:-
:

>
>
> Clem > writes:
>
>> That point is mute.
>
>
> *Moot,* not "mute."
>
> moot, adj.: deprived of practical significance : made abstract
> or purely academic. (www.webster.com)
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> "'Congressman Kucinich is holding up a pie chart, which is not
> truly effective on radio,' Conan told his listeners."
> -- Newsday.com
>

You are correct. It was a long night.

[Peter Hucker[_2_]]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:10:46 -0500, Clem
> wrote:

>"Alan Erskine" > wrote in
:
>
>> "Clem" > wrote in message
>> . 97.136...
>>> As far as eliminating part-posts, I'm sure you know the idea was to cut
>>> a big file into smaller pieces making it easier for the server to
>>> handle. All the NG readers I ever used, assemble the individual files
>>> seamlessly. It doesn't get much easier than that.
>>
>> The problem with breaking big files into smaller sections is that not
>> all of them come through. If it's under, say, 3mb, it shouldn't be a
>> problem for most people these days (I've had cable for over five years).
>> OE can sort files by size, in addition to sorting by subject, poster
>> etc; if people are on a dial-up modem, they can simply exclude files
>> that are too large (tools, message rules, "where the message size is a
>> certain size").
>>
>>
>
>What a server accepts or is still in the process of putting up for
>download is something I have no control over. After I posted the files
>I checked and all were there. It took less than 20 seconds to upload
>the file which is a fraction of my download rate, approximately 6meg.
>
>Someone said it took forever. Boo! Hoo! get rid of the dialup. What
>are posters required to do, offer a guarantee that all files download in
>"X" amount of time?

Agreed.

>I don't understand some peoples approach to a file sized at over 34,000
>lines being good, but a movie file part at 8,000 lines is bad?

Because 95% of the population is stupid. We need a serious culling.
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com


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