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Bruce A. Frank

July 20th 08, 11:07 AM

Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I use to access RAH.

stol

July 20th 08, 01:47 PM

On Jul 20, 4:07*am, "Bruce A. Frank" > wrote:
> Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I use to access RAH.

Hi Bruce.. This made it through and so did your last post on Northwest
Aero... Thanks for the tip on their new life. I hope they can keep it
going...

Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

Morgans[_2_]

July 20th 08, 01:54 PM

"stol" wrote
"Bruce A. Frank" wrote:

>> Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I
>> use to access RAH.

>Hi Bruce.. This made it through and so did your last post on Northwest
>Aero... Thanks for the tip on their new life. I hope they can keep it
>going...

Hello to both of you!

I don't think I have seen either of your names on a post for quite a while,
especially Bruce.

It has been difficult times, with some really pesky troll problems, around
the RA* groups, but filters make life better.

Again, good to see you.
--
Jim in NC

Stealth Pilot[_2_]

July 20th 08, 02:38 PM

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:07:17 GMT, "Bruce A. Frank"
> wrote:

><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
>Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I
>use to access RAH.</html>

reading your message in 'free agent' doesnt work.
the body of the message seems to be some sort of attachment.
I've never been able to read it.
hope you get it fixed.
Stealth Pilot

Jay Maynard

July 20th 08, 02:57 PM

On 2008-07-20, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
> Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I
> use to access RAH.</html>

It's making it through, but as HTML. This is antisocial. Please turn off
HTML posting in your newsreader.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

Bruce A. Frank

July 22nd 08, 08:16 AM

Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.

Jay Maynard wrote:

> On 2008-07-20, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
> ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> ><html>
> > Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I
> > use to access RAH.</html>
>
> It's making it through, but as HTML. This is antisocial. Please turn off
> HTML posting in your newsreader.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

Jay Maynard

July 22nd 08, 11:32 PM

On 2008-07-22, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
> Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
> Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.

It's not the bandwidth that's impolite. It's that not everyone reads Usenet
with a web browser. This is merely annoying when it's limited to text; it's
rude beyond belief when you include pictures and other, non-text items.

Here's what your message looks like in a pure text newsreader:

><html>
> Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
> Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
>Jay Maynard wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On 2008-07-20, Bruce A. Frank >
> wrote:
> ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> ><html>
> > Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program
> I
> > use to access RAH.</html>
>It's making it through, but as HTML. This is antisocial. Please turn
> off
> HTML posting in your newsreader.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC                  
><a href="http://www.conmicro.com">http://www.conmicro.com</a>
> <a href="http://jmaynard.livejournal.com">http://jmaynard.livejournal.com</a>     
><a href="http://www.tronguy.net">http://www.tronguy.net</a>
> Fairmont, MN (FRM)                       
> (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)</blockquote>
></html>
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

stol

July 23rd 08, 05:24 AM

On Jul 22, 4:32*pm, Jay Maynard >
wrote:
> On 2008-07-22, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
>
> > Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> > ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> > functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
> > Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
>
> It's not the bandwidth that's impolite. It's that not everyone reads Usenet
> with a web browser. This is merely annoying when it's limited to text; it's
> rude beyond belief when you include pictures and other, non-text items.
>
> Here's what your message looks like in a pure text newsreader:
>
>
>
>
>
> ><html>
> > Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> > ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> > functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
> > Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
> >Jay Maynard wrote:
> ><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On 2008-07-20, Bruce A. Frank >
> > wrote:
> > ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> > ><html>
> > > Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program
> > I
> > > use to access RAH.</html>
> >It's making it through, but as HTML. This is antisocial. Please turn
> > off
> > HTML posting in your newsreader.
> > --
> > Jay Maynard, K5ZC           &nbsp*;      
> ><a href="http://www.conmicro.com">http://www.conmicro.com</a>
> > <a href="http://jmaynard.livejournal.com">http://jmaynard.livejournal.com</a>     
> ><a href="http://www.tronguy.net">http://www.tronguy.net</a>
> > Fairmont, MN (FRM)           &nbs*p;           
> > (Yes, that's me!)
> > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)</blockquote>
> ></html>
>
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Geez... They can put a man on the moon but cannot standardize a
posting format.... Hmmm, maybe they didn't get to the moon afterall..
<G>

Ron Wanttaja

July 23rd 08, 05:55 AM

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:24:44 -0700 (PDT), stol > wrote:

> Geez... They can put a man on the moon but cannot standardize a
> posting format....

No, they did: Plain text.

Even if user attaches a picture, most of the forwarding sites strip them away
from non-binary groups.

Ron Wanttaja

Steve Hix

July 23rd 08, 06:58 AM

In article
>,
stol > wrote:

> On Jul 22, 4:32*pm, Jay Maynard >
> wrote:
> > On 2008-07-22, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
> >
> > > Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> > > ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> > > functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the
> > > Internet
> > > Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
> >
> > It's not the bandwidth that's impolite. It's that not everyone reads Usenet
> > with a web browser. This is merely annoying when it's limited to text; it's
> > rude beyond belief when you include pictures and other, non-text items.
> >
> > Here's what your message looks like in a pure text newsreader:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ><html>
> > > Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> > > ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> > > functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the
> > > Internet
> > > Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
> > >Jay Maynard wrote:
> > ><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On 2008-07-20, Bruce A. Frank
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> > > ><html>
> > > > Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the
> > >program
> > > I
> > > > use to access RAH.</html>
> > >It's making it through, but as HTML. This is antisocial. Please turn
> > > off
> > > HTML posting in your newsreader.
> > > --
> > > Jay Maynard,
> > >K5ZC           &nbsp
> > >*;      
> > ><a href="http://www.conmicro.com">http://www.conmicro.com</a>
> > > <a
> > >href="http://jmaynard.livejournal.com">http://jmaynard.livejournal.com</a>&
> > >nbsp;    
> > ><a href="http://www.tronguy.net">http://www.tronguy.net</a>
> > > Fairmont, MN
> > >(FRM)           &nbs
> > >*p;           
> > > (Yes, that's me!)
> > > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)</blockquote>
> > ></html>
> >
> > --
> > Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * *
> > *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* *
> > *http://www.tronguy.net
> > Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!)
> > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Geez... They can put a man on the moon but cannot standardize a
> posting format.... Hmmm, maybe they didn't get to the moon afterall..
> <G>

Sure they did. It's just that the standard is plain text, not HTML.

Gig 601Xl Builder

July 23rd 08, 02:11 PM

stol wrote:

>
> Geez... They can put a man on the moon but cannot standardize a
> posting format.... Hmmm, maybe they didn't get to the moon afterall..
> <G>

Well they kind of did standardize a posting format for USENET. Plain Text.

stol

July 24th 08, 03:03 AM

On Jul 23, 7:11*am, Gig 601Xl Builder >
wrote:
> stol wrote:
>
> > Geez... They can put a man on the moon but cannot standardize a
> > posting format.... Hmmm, maybe they didn't get to the moon afterall..
> > <G>
>
> Well they kind of did standardize a posting format for USENET. Plain Text..

:<)......

Ben

Bruce A. Frank

July 25th 08, 07:57 AM

Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
9 years old.

Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> On 2008-07-22, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
> > Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> > ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> > functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
> > Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
>
> It's not the bandwidth that's impolite. It's that not everyone reads Usenet
> with a web browser. This is merely annoying when it's limited to text; it's
> rude beyond belief when you include pictures and other, non-text items.
>
> Here's what your message looks like in a pure text newsreader:
>
> ><html>
> > Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
> > ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
> > functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
> > Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
> >Jay Maynard wrote:
> ><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On 2008-07-20, Bruce A. Frank >
> > wrote:
> > ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> > ><html>
> > > Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program
> > I
> > > use to access RAH.</html>
> >It's making it through, but as HTML. This is antisocial. Please turn
> > off
> > HTML posting in your newsreader.
> > --
> > Jay Maynard, K5ZC                  
> ><a href="http://www.conmicro.com">http://www.conmicro.com</a>
> > <a href="http://jmaynard.livejournal.com">http://jmaynard.livejournal.com</a>     
> ><a href="http://www.tronguy.net">http://www.tronguy.net</a>
> > Fairmont, MN (FRM)                       
> > (Yes, that's me!)
> > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)</blockquote>
> ></html>
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

Jay Maynard

July 25th 08, 12:18 PM

On 2008-07-25, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
> Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
> seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
> can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
> to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
> 9 years old.

It's not a matter of age or moderniy. It's a matter of courtesy to those who
read Usenet with non-HTML-capable readers. I do this deliberately, because
it allows me to read the groups from whatever computer I'm at and still
maintain my position within each group. It's also faster. Similarly, I read
email with a text-only reader from the same system, so I can do so from any
computer anywhere on the net. That renders me immune to email viruses.

I don't use an HTML-capable email or news reader for what turn out to be
very good reasons. It' not that I refuse to join the modern era at all. It's
that Usenet and email are text media, and using HTML in them is not the way
they were designed to be used. The only HTML email I get is from spammers,
and HTML email is quite likely to get dropped straight into the bit bucket.
Usenet is, if anything, even more text-only.

Please respect others' choices, and leave HTML turned off (as you have it
now).
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

Peter Dohm

July 26th 08, 12:26 PM

"Jay Maynard" > wrote in message
...
> On 2008-07-25, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
>> Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
>> seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
>> can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
>> to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
>> 9 years old.
>
> It's not a matter of age or moderniy. It's a matter of courtesy to those
> who
> read Usenet with non-HTML-capable readers. I do this deliberately, because
> it allows me to read the groups from whatever computer I'm at and still
> maintain my position within each group. It's also faster. Similarly, I
> read
> email with a text-only reader from the same system, so I can do so from
> any
> computer anywhere on the net. That renders me immune to email viruses.
>
> I don't use an HTML-capable email or news reader for what turn out to be
> very good reasons. It' not that I refuse to join the modern era at all.
> It's
> that Usenet and email are text media, and using HTML in them is not the
> way
> they were designed to be used. The only HTML email I get is from spammers,
> and HTML email is quite likely to get dropped straight into the bit
> bucket.
> Usenet is, if anything, even more text-only.
>
> Please respect others' choices, and leave HTML turned off (as you have it
> now).
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

All very well said!

Peter

Bruce A. Frank

July 30th 08, 09:43 AM

Hmm, I thought HTML *IS* text.

Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> On 2008-07-25, Bruce A. Frank > wrote:
> > Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
> > seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
> > can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
> > to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
> > 9 years old.
>
> It's not a matter of age or moderniy. It's a matter of courtesy to those who
> read Usenet with non-HTML-capable readers. I do this deliberately, because
> it allows me to read the groups from whatever computer I'm at and still
> maintain my position within each group. It's also faster. Similarly, I read
> email with a text-only reader from the same system, so I can do so from any
> computer anywhere on the net. That renders me immune to email viruses.
>
> I don't use an HTML-capable email or news reader for what turn out to be
> very good reasons. It' not that I refuse to join the modern era at all. It's
> that Usenet and email are text media, and using HTML in them is not the way
> they were designed to be used. The only HTML email I get is from spammers,
> and HTML email is quite likely to get dropped straight into the bit bucket.
> Usenet is, if anything, even more text-only.
>
> Please respect others' choices, and leave HTML turned off (as you have it
> now).
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

cavelamb himself[_4_]

July 30th 08, 10:12 AM

Bruce A. Frank wrote:
> Hmm, I thought HTML *IS* text.

>

Well, it is, and it ain't.

Yes, it's all ASCII text, but HTML has LOTS of extra stuff (albeit text)
to mark up the "text".

For instance "Hello World" in text... 11 bytes.

vs

<HTML>
<HEAD>



<TITLE>Untitled</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="100%" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="0" BORDER="0">
<TR>
<TD WIDTH="100%" VALIGN=TOP>

Hello
World!</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
</BODY>
</HTML>

This is what HTML could look like to a text browser.

Can you find the message in there?

Steve Hix

July 30th 08, 07:23 PM

In article >,
"Bruce A. Frank" > wrote:

> Hmm, I thought HTML *IS* text.

Readability is compromised by the markup in it.

Sort of like trying to read a slightly- to extremely-foreign language,
depending on the degree of pretty-printing, or lack of it, in the text.

-S

Highflyer

November 8th 08, 06:12 AM

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:07:17 GMT, "Bruce A. Frank"
> > wrote:
>
>><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>><html>
>>Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I
>>use to access RAH.</html>
>
> reading your message in 'free agent' doesnt work.
> the body of the message seems to be some sort of attachment.
> I've never been able to read it.
> hope you get it fixed.
> Stealth Pilot

My program, when I replied to it, asked me if I really wanted to
continue and send it to the newsgroup in HTML since may newsreaders have
problems with HTML text. It recommended I
recast it as text only.

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )