B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam

[Tiger]

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U.S. B-52 bomber crashes off Guam, 6 crew missing

44 minutes ago

A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
after take-off, news reports and officials said.

At least six crew members were missing, according to the website of Kuam
News, a local station.

The U.S. airforce said in a statement it had no information on the
status of the crew. It did not say how many people were on board the
bomber or give a reason for the crash, which happened at 9:45 a.m. (2345
GMT or 7:45 p.m. EDT), 15 minutes before the parade was about to start.

An air force official was quoted on the Pacific Daily News website
saying the plane was meant to take part in the parade.

July 21 is the day Guam commemorates its 1944 liberation from Japanese
occupation in World War Two.

The island, under U.S. control since 1898, is the only significantly
populated U.S. territory to have ever been occupied by a foreign power.

In February, a B-2 stealth bomber, which costs around $1.2 billion,
crashed at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The two pilots on board
ejected safely.

(Reporting by Carmel Crimmins; Editing by Alex Richardson)

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[hcobb]

On Jul 21, 12:10 am, Tiger > wrote:
> A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
> U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
> after take-off, news reports and officials said.

If this is another case where a USAF bomber got it's control systems
confused by hot and humid conditions can they just hand the Pacific
off to the Navy Department and go back to planning how they're going
to stop Iranian IEDs with F-22s please?

-HJC

[David E. Powell]

On Jul 21, 3:10*am, Tiger > wrote:
> Yahoo! News
>
> U.S. B-52 bomber crashes off Guam, 6 crew missing
>
> 44 minutes ago
>
> A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
> U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
> after take-off, news reports and officials said.
>
> At least six crew members were missing, according to the website of Kuam
> News, a local station.
>
> The U.S. airforce said in a statement it had no information on the
> status of the crew. It did not say how many people were on board the
> bomber or give a reason for the crash, which happened at 9:45 a.m. (2345
> GMT or 7:45 p.m. EDT), 15 minutes before the parade was about to start.
>
> An air force official was quoted on the Pacific Daily News website
> saying the plane was meant to take part in the parade.
>
> July 21 is the day Guam commemorates its 1944 liberation from Japanese
> occupation in World War Two.
>
> The island, under U.S. control since 1898, is the only significantly
> populated U.S. territory to have ever been occupied by a foreign power.
>
> In February, a B-2 stealth bomber, which costs around $1.2 billion,
> crashed at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The two pilots on board
> ejected safely.

Nuts. Not hearing nay crew news doesn't sound too good, hope they do
find these guys in a raft somewhere or something. This sucks.

> (Reporting by Carmel Crimmins; Editing by Alex Richardson)
>
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[Roger Conroy[_2_]]

"hcobb" > wrote in message
...
> On Jul 21, 12:10 am, Tiger > wrote:
>> A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
>> U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
>> after take-off, news reports and officials said.
>
> If this is another case where a USAF bomber got it's control systems
> confused by hot and humid conditions can they just hand the Pacific
> off to the Navy Department and go back to planning how they're going
> to stop Iranian IEDs with F-22s please?
>
> -HJC

You remark is incredibly insensitive in the light of ongoing S&R efforts -
we don't even know if there are survivors yet but you see fit to make
sarcastic remarks. You have no respect sir!

[a425couple]

"Tiger" > wrote ...
> U.S. B-52 bomber crashes off Guam, 6 crew missing
> A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
> U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
> after take-off, news reports and officials said.
----
> In February, a B-2 stealth bomber, which costs around $1.2 billion,
> crashed at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The two pilots on board
> ejected safely.

I have a probably trivial and ignorant question, re: the B-2 crash.
Recently here (or on a similar ng) there was a picture of the
B-2, showing it basicly intact, belly down, with what
appeared to me to be the airport fire truck nearby it.

Did it's crew eject after it was 'down'?
Or, , , ?

[Jeff Crowell[_3_]]

hcobb wrote:
> If this is another case where a USAF bomber got it's control systems
> confused by hot and humid conditions can they just hand the Pacific
> off to the Navy Department and go back to planning how they're going
> to stop Iranian IEDs with F-22s please?

You're a prick, Cobb.

Best hopes for survivors...


Jeff
--
Hey, paranoids have enemies, too.

[Jack Linthicum]

On Jul 21, 8:49 am, "David E. Powell" >
wrote:
> On Jul 21, 3:10 am, Tiger > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yahoo! News
>
> > U.S. B-52 bomber crashes off Guam, 6 crew missing
>
> > 44 minutes ago
>
> > A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
> > U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
> > after take-off, news reports and officials said.
>
> > At least six crew members were missing, according to the website of Kuam
> > News, a local station.
>
> > The U.S. airforce said in a statement it had no information on the
> > status of the crew. It did not say how many people were on board the
> > bomber or give a reason for the crash, which happened at 9:45 a.m. (2345
> > GMT or 7:45 p.m. EDT), 15 minutes before the parade was about to start.
>
> > An air force official was quoted on the Pacific Daily News website
> > saying the plane was meant to take part in the parade.
>
> > July 21 is the day Guam commemorates its 1944 liberation from Japanese
> > occupation in World War Two.
>
> > The island, under U.S. control since 1898, is the only significantly
> > populated U.S. territory to have ever been occupied by a foreign power.
>
> > In February, a B-2 stealth bomber, which costs around $1.2 billion,
> > crashed at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The two pilots on board
> > ejected safely.
>
> Nuts. Not hearing nay crew news doesn't sound too good, hope they do
> find these guys in a raft somewhere or something. This sucks.
>
> > (Reporting by Carmel Crimmins; Editing by Alex Richardson)
>
> > Copyright © 2008 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or
> > redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the
> > prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any
> > errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance
> > thereon.
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Another source says one man was pulled from the sea and onto the 110
foot cutter Assateague.


B-52 Crashes Off Guam
By Sharon Weinberger EmailJuly 21, 2008 | 7:38:32 AMCategories:
Planes

The Air Force is conducting rescue operations near Guam to recover
crewmembers from a B-52 bomber that crashed off the coast earlier
today. The AP reports that two crewmembers have been found, but
there's no information on their condition. There's also no word yet on
what caused the crash.

"The B-52 bomber based at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana was en
route to conduct a flyover in a parade when it crashed around about 30
miles north-west of Apra Harbour, the Air Force said," the AP reports.

The B-52, despite its age, has an admirable safety record. Aviation
Week's ARES blog reports that the last crash of a B-52 was in 1994;
that accident was blamed on pilot error.

A B-2 bomber crashed off the coast of Guam earlier this year.

[Jeff Dougherty]

On Jul 21, 10:19 am, "a425couple" > wrote:
> "Tiger" > wrote ...
>
> > U.S. B-52 bomber crashes off Guam, 6 crew missing
> > A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
> > U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
> > after take-off, news reports and officials said.
> ----
> > In February, a B-2 stealth bomber, which costs around $1.2 billion,
> > crashed at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The two pilots on board
> > ejected safely.
>
> I have a probably trivial and ignorant question, re: the B-2 crash.
> Recently here (or on a similar ng) there was a picture of the
> B-2, showing it basicly intact, belly down, with what
> appeared to me to be the airport fire truck nearby it.
>
> Did it's crew eject after it was 'down'?
> Or, , , ?

Nope, they shelled out shortly before impact. You can see a video of
the crash at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZCp5h1gK2Q, apparently
from a security camera at Anderson.

-JTD

[[email protected]]

On 21 Jul, 15:32, Jack Linthicum > wrote:
> On Jul 21, 8:49 am, "David E. Powell" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 3:10 am, Tiger > wrote:
>
> > > Yahoo! News
>
> > > U.S. B-52 bomber crashes off Guam, 6 crew missing
>
> > > 44 minutes ago
>
> > > A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
> > > U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
> > > after take-off, news reports and officials said.
>
> > > At least six crew members were missing, according to the website of Kuam
> > > News, a local station.
>
> > > The U.S. airforce said in a statement it had no information on the
> > > status of the crew. It did not say how many people were on board the
> > > bomber or give a reason for the crash, which happened at 9:45 a.m. (2345
> > > GMT or 7:45 p.m. EDT), 15 minutes before the parade was about to start.

[Jack Linthicum]

On Jul 21, 2:30 pm, wrote:
> On 21 Jul, 15:32, Jack Linthicum > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 8:49 am, "David E. Powell" >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 21, 3:10 am, Tiger > wrote:
>
> > > > Yahoo! News
>
> > > > U.S. B-52 bomber crashes off Guam, 6 crew missing
>
> > > > 44 minutes ago
>
> > > > A U.S. B-52 bomber that was due to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the
> > > > U.S. territory of Guam on Monday crashed into the Pacific Ocean soon
> > > > after take-off, news reports and officials said.
>
> > > > At least six crew members were missing, according to the website of Kuam
> > > > News, a local station.
>
> > > > The U.S. airforce said in a statement it had no information on the
> > > > status of the crew. It did not say how many people were on board the
> > > > bomber or give a reason for the crash, which happened at 9:45 a.m. (2345
> > > > GMT or 7:45 p.m. EDT), 15 minutes before the parade was about to start.
>
> > > > An air force official was quoted on the Pacific Daily News website
> > > > saying the plane was meant to take part in the parade.
>
> > > > July 21 is the day Guam commemorates its 1944 liberation from Japanese
> > > > occupation in World War Two.
>
> > > > The island, under U.S. control since 1898, is the only significantly
> > > > populated U.S. territory to have ever been occupied by a foreign power.
>
> > > > In February, a B-2 stealth bomber, which costs around $1.2 billion,
> > > > crashed at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The two pilots on board
> > > > ejected safely.
>
> > > Nuts. Not hearing nay crew news doesn't sound too good, hope they do
> > > find these guys in a raft somewhere or something. This sucks.
>
> > > > (Reporting by Carmel Crimmins; Editing by Alex Richardson)
>
> > > > Copyright © 2008 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or
> > > > redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the
> > > > prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any
> > > > errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance
> > > > thereon.
> > > > Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
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>
> > Another source says one man was pulled from the sea and onto the 110
> > foot cutter Assateague.
>
> > B-52 Crashes Off Guam
> > By Sharon Weinberger EmailJuly 21, 2008 | 7:38:32 AMCategories:
> > Planes
>
> > The Air Force is conducting rescue operations near Guam to recover
> > crewmembers from a B-52 bomber that crashed off the coast earlier
> > today. The AP reports that two crewmembers have been found, but
> > there's no information on their condition. There's also no word yet on
> > what caused the crash.
>
> > "The B-52 bomber based at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana was en
> > route to conduct a flyover in a parade when it crashed around about 30
> > miles north-west of Apra Harbour, the Air Force said," the AP reports.
>
> > The B-52, despite its age, has an admirable safety record. Aviation
> > Week's ARES blog reports that the last crash of a B-52 was in 1994;
> > that accident was blamed on pilot error.
>
> 'pilot error' is too soft a term for what happened in 1994, 'pilot
> insanity' is probably more appropriate for that incident, which was no
> reflection on the actual safety of the plane.
>
> > A B-2 bomber crashed off the coast of Guam earlier this year.

As I understand it there are only two causes of aircraft crashes:
pilot error and equipment failure

[Richard Casady]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
> wrote:

>As I understand it there are only two causes of aircraft crashes:
>pilot error and equipment failure

Which category does hostile ordnance fall under? Or terrorist bombs?

Casady

[Mr.Smartypants]

On Jul 22, 5:51*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
>
> > wrote:
> >As I understand it there are only two causes of aircraft crashes:
> >pilot error and equipment failure
>
> Which category does hostile ordnance fall under? Or terrorist bombs?
>
> Casady


Hostile ordnance would be pilot error. Terrorist bombs would be
equipment failure.

[Bill Kambic]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
> wrote:

>
>As I understand it there are only two causes of aircraft crashes:
>pilot error and equipment failure

No, you can get done in by a ground controller after equipment
failure.

Sort of adding the ultimate insult to injury.

[george]

Have they found the crew yet ?

[Mark Borgerson[_2_]]

In article >,
says...
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >As I understand it there are only two causes of aircraft crashes:
> >pilot error and equipment failure
>
> No, you can get done in by a ground controller after equipment
> failure.

If you don't have a collision-avoidance system, you can get done
in by a ground controller without equipment failure.

If a pilot follows directions to fly into a cloud, the pilot
error might be considered as placing too much trust in the
ground controller. Unavoidable these days if you're going to
fly IFR, though.
>
> Sort of adding the ultimate insult to injury.
>

Mark Borgerson

[Tiger]

george wrote:
> Have they found the crew yet ?

Last update is 2 dead, 4 MIA.

[george]

On Jul 22, 11:19 am, Tiger > wrote:
> george wrote:
> > Have they found the crew yet ?
>
> Last update is 2 dead, 4 MIA.

Bugger

[Ken S. Tucker]

On Jul 21, 11:30 am, wrote:


> > Week's ARES blog reports that the last crash of a B-52 was in 1994;
> > that accident was blamed on pilot error.
>
> 'pilot error' is too soft a term for what happened in 1994, 'pilot
> insanity' is probably more appropriate for that incident, which was no
> reflection on the actual safety of the plane.

If IIRC that stupid asshole, put a serious roll moment ending
in a bank attempt near 75 degrees, totally uncoordinated and
slipped the B52 into the ground in a few seconds, apparently
showing off....Evel Kinevel in a B52...a sickening event.
Ken

[David E. Powell]

Latest update as of 20 minutes ago (as per Yahoo) has the report that
three crew members have died and that three more are still missing.
The good news is that search and sea conditions in the area are
apparently good if anyone is alive out there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA

<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/
b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA

David

[Tiger]

David E. Powell wrote:
> Latest update as of 20 minutes ago (as per Yahoo) has the report that
> three crew members have died and that three more are still missing.
> The good news is that search and sea conditions in the area are
> apparently good if anyone is alive out there.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA
>
> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/
> b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA
>
> David

From the sound of things, there was little time for a ejection. Have
yet to hear of what might be a cause.

[Tiger]

Jack Linthicum wrote:
>
>
> As I understand it there are only two causes of aircraft crashes:
> pilot error and equipment failure


There is also cause: #3 Weather,#4 outside forces(shoot downs, ground
control, etc.) & #5 who the hell knows??

While most do fall in 1 or 2. The others have their share.

[Weatherlawyer]

On Jul 21, 9:04 pm, "Mr.Smartypants" > wrote:
>
> Hostile ordnance would be pilot error.
> Terrorist bombs would be equipment failure.

IEDs would thus be: "In Extremist Deplanar"?

And finding them at roadside take-aways:
In Explicipo Deploya?

[Weatherlawyer]

On Jul 22, 4:47 am, Tiger > wrote:
>
> Have yet to hear of what might be a cause.

If it IS trigger happy pilots we will never, ever, hear of it.

You don't make serious time in the penthouse without knowing how to
field that one.

[Dan[_12_]]

Weatherlawyer wrote:
> On Jul 22, 4:47 am, Tiger > wrote:
>> Have yet to hear of what might be a cause.
>
> If it IS trigger happy pilots we will never, ever, hear of it.
>
> You don't make serious time in the penthouse without knowing how to
> field that one.

Wrong answer, think of the BUFF into the ground at Fairchild. The
pilot was an accident waiting to happen long before the fatal event. The
entire situation has been covered in RAM.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Roger Conroy[_2_]]

"Tiger" > wrote in message
...
> David E. Powell wrote:
>> Latest update as of 20 minutes ago (as per Yahoo) has the report that
>> three crew members have died and that three more are still missing.
>> The good news is that search and sea conditions in the area are
>> apparently good if anyone is alive out there.
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA
>>
>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/
>> b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA
>>
>> David
>
> From the sound of things, there was little time for a ejection. Have yet
> to hear of what might be a cause.
>
>
>

They have Bang Seats?

[hcobb]

On Jul 22, 3:33 am, "Roger Conroy" >
wrote:
> "Tiger" > wrote in message
> > From the sound of things, there was little time for a ejection. Have yet
> > to hear of what might be a cause.
>
> They have Bang Seats?

Yes, but the ones on the lower deck are a bit of a problem in the
event of a low altitude equipment failure or pilot error...

-HJC

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-52-describe.htm
All crew stations are pressurized, heated, and air-conditioned. In the
event of an emergency, means for crew escape is provided by upward
ejection seats for those on the upper deck and downward ejection seats
for those on the lower deck.

[Jack Linthicum]

On Jul 22, 6:47 am, hcobb > wrote:
> On Jul 22, 3:33 am, "Roger Conroy" >
> wrote:
>
> > "Tiger" > wrote in message
> > > From the sound of things, there was little time for a ejection. Have yet
> > > to hear of what might be a cause.
>
> > They have Bang Seats?
>
> Yes, but the ones on the lower deck are a bit of a problem in the
> event of a low altitude equipment failure or pilot error...
>
> -HJC
>
> http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-52-describe.htm
> All crew stations are pressurized, heated, and air-conditioned. In the
> event of an emergency, means for crew escape is provided by upward
> ejection seats for those on the upper deck and downward ejection seats
> for those on the lower deck.


Three bodies recovered, wearing life vests

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080722/NEWS01/807220323/1060

[Tiger]

Yahoo! News

Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam

By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer 43 minutes ago

All six crew members aboard a B-52 bomber that crashed off Guam were
killed, the Air Force said Wednesday as the search effort shifted focus
from rescue to recovery of the crew and pieces of the wreckage.

Two bodies have been found; the Air Force, without elaborating, said in
a news release that forensic specialists were trying to identify
additional remains recovered.

"Losing this bomber crew has been a tragedy felt by everyone here and
across the Air Force," said Brig. Gen. Doug Owens, commander of the 36th
Wing.

The six crew members were identified as Maj. Christopher M. Cooper, 33,
aircraft commander; Maj. Brent D. Williams, 37, navigator; Capt. Michael
K. Dodson, 31, co-pilot; 1st Lt. Joshua D. Shepherd, 25, navigator; 1st
Lt. Robert D. Gerren, 32, electronic warfare officer; and Col. George
Martin, 51, flight surgeon.

Martin was also the deputy commander of 36th Medical Group at Andersen
Air Force Base.

"Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the families of these
airmen," said Col. Robert Wheeler, 2d Bomb Wing commander. "We
appreciate the military and civilian organizations who are continuing
recovery efforts to bring our airmen home."

A panel of Air Force officers is investigating the crash.

The unarmed bomber crashed Monday during a swing around the island as
part of Guam Liberation Day celebrations, marking the day when the U.S.
military arrived to retake control of the island from Japan during World
War II. The B-52 had been scheduled to conduct a flyover in a parade.

The Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force, National Guard and local agencies
scoured more than 7,000 square miles of the Pacific in three days before
suspending the search for survivors.

"It's extremely difficult to suspend this search," said Capt. Thomas
Sparks, commanding officer of the Coast Guard's Sector Guam. "Our hearts
go out to the families of the victims and the entire Coast Guard grieves
for their loss."

The crew was based at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. Flags were
being flown at half-staff at the Louisiana state Capitol to honor them.
They were deployed to Guam with the 20th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron as
part of the U.S. military's continuous bomber presence mission in the
Pacific.

The B-52 was carrying nearly 19,000 gallons of jet fuel when it crashed
but the National Oceanic Atmospheric Association determined there was no
threat to the environment because all or most of the fuel had burned,
the Coast Guard said.

B-52s have been the backbone of the U.S. military's manned strategic
bomber force for more than four decades, used for missions from attacks
to ocean surveillance. They are capable of dropping or launching the
widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory, including cluster bombs
and precision guided missiles.

B-52s were first placed into service in 1955, and 93 remain in the Air
Force's fleet.

The Air Force has been rotating B-1, B-2 and B-52 bombers through Guam
since 2004 to boost the U.S. security presence in the Asia-Pacific
region while other U.S. forces in the area have been sent to the Middle
East.

Monday's crash is the third for the military this year on Guam, a U.S.
territory 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii.

A Navy EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft crashed into the ocean
Feb. 12. Four crew members ejected from the aircraft and were rescued by
helicopter.

Eleven days later, an Air Force B-2 crashed at Andersen shortly after
takeoff in the first-ever crash of a stealth bomber. Both pilots ejected
safely. The military estimated the cost of the loss of the aircraft at
$1.4 billion.

The Air Force's last crash involving a B-52 was also to perform for
spectators.

On June 24, 1994, a bomber was practicing touch-and-go landings before
an air show at Fairchild Air Force Base in Washington state when it
plunged to the ground and exploded, killing all four on board, according
to the Air Combat Command in Langley Air Force Base, Va.

(This version CORRECTS age of Shepherd.)

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[David E. Powell]

On Jul 23, 8:49*pm, Tiger > wrote:
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> Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam
>
> By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer 43 minutes ago
>
> All six crew members aboard a B-52 bomber that crashed off Guam were
> killed, the Air Force said Wednesday as the search effort shifted focus
> from rescue to recovery of the crew and pieces of the wreckage.
>
> Two bodies have been found; the Air Force, without elaborating, said in
> a news release that forensic specialists were trying to identify
> additional remains recovered.
>
> "Losing this bomber crew has been a tragedy felt by everyone here and
> across the Air Force," said Brig. Gen. Doug Owens, commander of the 36th
> Wing.
>
> The six crew members were identified as Maj. Christopher M. Cooper, 33,
> aircraft commander; Maj. Brent D. Williams, 37, navigator; Capt. Michael
> K. Dodson, 31, co-pilot; 1st Lt. Joshua D. Shepherd, 25, navigator; 1st
> Lt. Robert D. Gerren, 32, electronic warfare officer; and Col. George
> Martin, 51, flight surgeon.
>
> Martin was also the deputy commander of 36th Medical Group at Andersen
> Air Force Base.
>
> "Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the families of these
> airmen," said Col. Robert Wheeler, 2d Bomb Wing commander. "We
> appreciate the military and civilian organizations who are continuing
> recovery efforts to bring our airmen home."
>
> A panel of Air Force officers is investigating the crash.
>
> The unarmed bomber crashed Monday during a swing around the island as
> part of Guam Liberation Day celebrations, marking the day when the U.S.
> military arrived to retake control of the island from Japan during World
> War II. The B-52 had been scheduled to conduct a flyover in a parade.
>
> The Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force, National Guard and local agencies
> scoured more than 7,000 square miles of the Pacific in three days before
> suspending the search for survivors.
>
> "It's extremely difficult to suspend this search," said Capt. Thomas
> Sparks, commanding officer of the Coast Guard's Sector Guam. "Our hearts
> go out to the families of the victims and the entire Coast Guard grieves
> for their loss."
>
> The crew was based at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. Flags were
> being flown at half-staff at the Louisiana state Capitol to honor them.
> They were deployed to Guam with the 20th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron as
> part of the U.S. military's continuous bomber presence mission in the
> Pacific.
>
> The B-52 was carrying nearly 19,000 gallons of jet fuel when it crashed
> but the National Oceanic Atmospheric Association determined there was no
> threat to the environment because all or most of the fuel had burned,
> the Coast Guard said.
>
> B-52s have been the backbone of the U.S. military's manned strategic
> bomber force for more than four decades, used for missions from attacks
> to ocean surveillance. They are capable of dropping or launching the
> widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory, including cluster bombs
> and precision guided missiles.
>
> B-52s were first placed into service in 1955, and 93 remain in the Air
> Force's fleet.
>
> The Air Force has been rotating B-1, B-2 and B-52 bombers through Guam
> since 2004 to boost the U.S. security presence in the Asia-Pacific
> region while other U.S. forces in the area have been sent to the Middle
> East.
>
> Monday's crash is the third for the military this year on Guam, a U.S.
> territory 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii.
>
> A Navy EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft crashed into the ocean
> Feb. 12. Four crew members ejected from the aircraft and were rescued by
> helicopter.
>
> Eleven days later, an Air Force B-2 crashed at Andersen shortly after
> takeoff in the first-ever crash of a stealth bomber. Both pilots ejected
> safely. The military estimated the cost of the loss of the aircraft at
> $1.4 billion.
>
> The Air Force's last crash involving a B-52 was also to perform for
> spectators.
>
> On June 24, 1994, a bomber was practicing touch-and-go landings before
> an air show at Fairchild Air Force Base in Washington state when it
> plunged to the ground and exploded, killing all four on board, according
> to the Air Combat Command in Langley Air Force Base, Va.
>
> (This version CORRECTS age of Shepherd.)
>
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Thank you, Tiger.

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[Ian B MacLure]

Tiger > wrote in :

>
> Yahoo! News
>
> Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam

Sad and a reminder that enlisting means you write a cheque to the
US for any amount up to including your life. Most folks get theirs
returned void at some state of their existence but a few pay the full
amount.

IBM

[Ian B MacLure]

Zombywoof > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:01:47 -0500, Ian B MacLure >
> wrote:
>
>>Tiger > wrote in
:
>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! News
>>>
>>> Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam
>>
>> Sad and a reminder that enlisting means you write a cheque to
>> the US for any amount up to including your life. Most folks
>> get theirs returned void at some state of their existence but
>> a few pay the full amount.
>>
>> IBM
>>
> Not to be "picky", but they were all Officers. Officers don't
> "Enlist".

Pedantry noted...

IBM

[Don Ocean[_2_]]

Zombywoof wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:01:47 -0500, Ian B MacLure >
> wrote:
>
>> Tiger > wrote in :
>>
>>> Yahoo! News
>>>
>>> Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam
>> Sad and a reminder that enlisting means you write a cheque to the
>> US for any amount up to including your life. Most folks get theirs
>> returned void at some state of their existence but a few pay the full
>> amount.
>>
>> IBM
>>
> Not to be "picky", but they were all Officers. Officers don't
> "Enlist".


Enlist..Volunteer..Just a matter of Semantics. Why are you nitpicking
rather then an intelligent response.