COTS in SC3!?

[Judy Ruprecht]

Yup, there's a pending proposal to provide for "Commercial Off the
Shelf" GPS data recording in Sporting Code Section 3 ("SC3"), effective
1 October 2009. (On the same date, cameras would officially become a thing
of the past for Silver, Gold, Diamond and Diplome badges.)

In many regards, pilot and Observer procedures proposed for COTS would be
identical to those in place for Flight Recorders. Notably, however, COTS
would be available only for Silver and Gold badge flights, as are certain
FRs now approved by IGC only at the "Up to Diamonds" level. (eg: FLARM
and EWs prior to the Microrecorder).

COTS units and file conversion/security checking software would also be
subject to approval by individual countries' National Airsport Control
organizations, responsible to keep IGC apprised of their actions and
procedures.

Love it or hate it (or love it, but hate all the rules & regulations) COTS
in some form will be coming up for a vote at IGC next March and it's not
too early to make your position known to your IGC representative.
(Whoozzat? Check it out at
http://www.fai.org/directory/delegates.asp?id=6

The following excerpt from the pending proposal includes only those items
unique to COTS - or as IGC prefers to call these, "GPS position
recorders."

Judy

CHAPTER 4 APPENDIX
The use of GPS position recorders for Silver and Gold badge flights.

A-1 General Many Global Positioning System devices can record the
coordinates of their position at intervals. If this data can be downloaded
as an .igc file, NACs may allow suitable GPS position recorders to be used
to validate the horizontal position of the glider for Silver or Gold
badges ONLY. Altitude data must be verified from a separate barograph
record of pressure altitude throughout the flight to normal IGC
standards....
Each NAC is to determine the specific GPS position recorders approved for
use within their area of responsibility and to maintain a current list of
them. A copy of the technical specification for each model must be sent to
the FAI, for the attention of IGC, with an indication of any special
instructions the NAC requires for its use. The IGC may advise the NAC of
any specific problems that could occur with that GPS position recorder or
where it does not comply with IGC rules and procedures. Both IGC and the
NAC must be satisfied that the rules below can be complied with before
accepting any particular model for use.

A-3 Averaging and predicted positions Any GPS position recorder that can
produce fixes both derived from real time satellite lines of position and
estimated fixes produced through averaging or predicting based on past
fixes is acceptable only if the estimation functions are disabled. The OO
must supervise the disabling process or verify that it was completed
before flight and certify that this was done.

A-5 Declaration A written declaration including all appropriate items
listed in 4.2.1 is the only acceptable form.

A-6 Downloading and verification As a minimum, downloaded data from the
GPS position recorder must be converted as accurately as possible to the
igc format. Any conversion program must be approved by the NAC and
include a validation system that will identify any changes made after the
download.

A-7 Altitude Evidence must be provided by a barograph. The profile of
GPS-derived altitudes from a GPS position recorder must correspond to the
profile of the barographic record but the former may be used only to prove
continuity of flight. Where the GPS altitude profile closely matches the
barogram, altitude may be determined at a specific fix. Where altitude
within, or exit from, a start OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
release alti¬tude must be used as start altitude; where finish OZ entry or
altitude within the finish OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram, the
surface elevation at the finish point must be used as the finish
altitude.

A-8 Timing Times pertinent to the flight must be confirmed by an OO,
based on direct observation from the ground by the OO or a reliable
witness using an accurate timepiece. These times must compare favourably
to both GPS data and the relative time data provided by a stand-alone
barograph.

[Richard[_1_]]

On Aug 1, 3:40*pm, Judy Ruprecht > wrote:
> Yup, there's a pending proposal to provide for "Commercial Off the
> Shelf" GPS data recording in Sporting Code Section 3 ("SC3"), effective
> 1 October 2009. (On the same date, cameras would officially become a thing
> of the past for Silver, Gold, Diamond and Diplome badges.)
>
> In many regards, pilot and Observer procedures proposed for COTS would be
> identical to those in place for Flight Recorders. Notably, however, COTS
> would be available only for Silver and Gold badge flights, as are certain
> FRs now approved by IGC only at the "Up to Diamonds" level. (eg: FLARM
> and EWs prior to the Microrecorder).
>
> COTS units and file conversion/security checking software would also be
> subject to approval by individual countries' National Airsport Control
> organizations, responsible to keep IGC apprised of their actions and
> procedures.
>
> Love it or hate it (or love it, but hate all the rules & regulations) COTS
> in some form will be coming up for a vote at IGC next March and it's not
> too early to make your position known to your IGC representative.
> (Whoozzat? Check it out athttp://www.fai.org/directory/delegates.asp?id=6
>
> The following excerpt from the pending proposal includes only those items
> unique to COTS - or as IGC prefers to call these, "GPS position
> recorders."
>
> Judy
>
> CHAPTER *4 *APPENDIX
> The use of GPS position recorders for Silver and Gold badge flights.
>
> A-1 * * General Many Global Positioning System devices can record the
> coordinates of their position at intervals. If this data can be downloaded
> as an .igc file, NACs may allow suitable GPS position recorders to be used
> to validate the horizontal position of the glider for Silver or Gold
> badges ONLY. Altitude data must be verified from a separate barograph
> record of pressure altitude throughout the flight to normal IGC
> standards....
> * * * * Each NAC is to determine the specific GPS position recorders approved for
> use within their area of responsibility and to maintain a current list of
> them. A copy of the technical specification for each model must be sent to
> the FAI, for the attention of IGC, with an indication of any special
> instructions the NAC requires for its use. The IGC may advise the NAC of
> any specific problems that could occur with that GPS position recorder or
> where it does not comply with IGC rules and procedures. Both IGC and the
> NAC must be satisfied that the rules below can be complied with before
> accepting any particular model for use.
>
> A-3 * * Averaging and predicted positions * * * * * * * Any GPS position recorder that can
> produce fixes both derived from real time satellite lines of position and
> estimated fixes produced through averaging or predicting based on past
> fixes is acceptable only if the estimation functions are disabled. The OO
> must supervise the disabling process or verify that it was completed
> before flight and certify that this was done.
>
> A-5 * * Declaration * * * *A written declaration including all appropriate items
> listed in 4.2.1 is the only acceptable form.
>
> A-6 * * Downloading and verification * *As a minimum, downloaded data from the
> GPS position recorder must be converted as accurately as possible to the
> igc format. Any conversion program must be approved by the NAC and
> include a validation system that will identify any changes made after the
> download.
>
> A-7 * * Altitude * * * * Evidence must be provided by a barograph. The profile of
> GPS-derived altitudes from a GPS position recorder must correspond to the
> profile of the barographic record but the former may be used only to prove
> continuity of flight. Where the GPS altitude profile closely matches the
> barogram, altitude may be determined at a specific fix. Where altitude
> within, or exit from, a start OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
> release alti¬tude must be used as start altitude; where finish OZ entry or
> altitude within the finish OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram, the
> surface elevation at the finish point must be used as the finish
> altitude.
>
> A-8 * * Timing * * * * *Times pertinent to the flight must be confirmed by an OO,
> based on direct observation from the ground by the OO or a reliable
> witness using an accurate timepiece. These times must compare favourably
> to both GPS data and the relative time data provided by a stand-alone
> barograph.

Judy,

Per the IGC

A-7 Altitude Evidence must be provided by a barograph. The
profile of
GPS-derived altitudes from a GPS position recorder must correspond to
the
profile of the barographic record but the former may be used only to
prove
continuity of flight. Where the GPS altitude profile closely matches
the
barogram, altitude may be determined at a specific fix. Where
altitude
within, or exit from, a start OZ cannot be correlated to the
barogram,
release alti¬tude must be used as start altitude; where finish OZ
entry or
altitude within the finish OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
the
surface elevation at the finish point must be used as the finish
altitude.



Does this mean Barographs are on again and who still makes them?
Also what does one do for a motorglider?



Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Peter Purdie[_3_]]

An IGC Secure Flight Recorder (commonly referred to as a logger, although
that properly refers to large Scandinavians or Canadians with
axes/chain-saws) is an electronic barograph. The rule you reference
indicates that height is measured as pressure altitude, not GPS derived
distance above the WGS84 geoid.

At 18:02 02 August 2008, Richard wrote:
>On Aug 1, 3:40=A0pm, Judy Ruprecht wrote:
>> Yup, there's a pending proposal to provide for "Commercial Off the
>> Shelf" GPS data recording in Sporting Code Section 3 ("SC3"),
effective
>> 1 October 2009. (On the same date, cameras would officially become a
>thin=
>g
>> of the past for Silver, Gold, Diamond and Diplome badges.)
>>
>> In many regards, pilot and Observer procedures proposed for COTS would
>be
>> identical to those in place for Flight Recorders. Notably, however,
COTS
>> would be available only for Silver and Gold badge flights, as are
>certain
>> FRs now approved by IGC only at the "Up to Diamonds" level. (eg:
FLARM
>> and EWs prior to the Microrecorder).
>>
>> COTS units and file conversion/security checking software would also
be
>> subject to approval by individual countries' National Airsport
Control
>> organizations, responsible to keep IGC apprised of their actions and
>> procedures.
>>
>> Love it or hate it (or love it, but hate all the rules & regulations)
>COT=
>S
>> in some form will be coming up for a vote at IGC next March and it's
not
>> too early to make your position known to your IGC representative.
>> (Whoozzat? Check it out
athttp://www.fai.org/directory/delegates.asp?id=
>=3D6
>>
>> The following excerpt from the pending proposal includes only those
>items
>> unique to COTS - or as IGC prefers to call these, "GPS position
>> recorders."
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> CHAPTER =A04 =A0APPENDIX
>> The use of GPS position recorders for Silver and Gold badge flights.
>>
>> A-1 =A0 =A0 General Many Global Positioning System devices can record
>the
>> coordinates of their position at intervals. If this data can be
>downloade=
>d
>> as an .igc file, NACs may allow suitable GPS position recorders to be
>use=
>d
>> to validate the horizontal position of the glider for Silver or Gold
>> badges ONLY. Altitude data must be verified from a separate barograph
>> record of pressure altitude throughout the flight to normal IGC
>> standards....
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Each NAC is to determine the specific GPS position
>record=
>ers approved for
>> use within their area of responsibility and to maintain a current list
>of
>> them. A copy of the technical specification for each model must be
sent
>t=
>o
>> the FAI, for the attention of IGC, with an indication of any special
>> instructions the NAC requires for its use. The IGC may advise the NAC
of
>> any specific problems that could occur with that GPS position recorder
>or
>> where it does not comply with IGC rules and procedures. Both IGC and
the
>> NAC must be satisfied that the rules below can be complied with before
>> accepting any particular model for use.
>>
>> A-3 =A0 =A0 Averaging and predicted positions =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
>=A0=
> Any GPS position recorder that can
>> produce fixes both derived from real time satellite lines of position
>and
>> estimated fixes produced through averaging or predicting based on past
>> fixes is acceptable only if the estimation functions are disabled. The
>OO
>> must supervise the disabling process or verify that it was completed
>> before flight and certify that this was done.
>>
>> A-5 =A0 =A0 Declaration =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A written declaration including
>al=
>l appropriate items
>> listed in 4.2.1 is the only acceptable form.
>>
>> A-6 =A0 =A0 Downloading and verification =A0 =A0As a minimum,
downloaded
>=
>data from the
>> GPS position recorder must be converted as accurately as possible to
the
>> igc format. Any conversion program must be approved by the NAC and
>> include a validation system that will identify any changes made after
>the
>> download.
>>
>> A-7 =A0 =A0 Altitude =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Evidence must be provided by a
>barog=
>raph. The profile of
>> GPS-derived altitudes from a GPS position recorder must correspond to
>the
>> profile of the barographic record but the former may be used only to
>prov=
>e
>> continuity of flight. Where the GPS altitude profile closely matches
the
>> barogram, altitude may be determined at a specific fix. Where altitude
>> within, or exit from, a start OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
>> release alti=ACtude must be used as start altitude; where finish OZ
>entry=
> or
>> altitude within the finish OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
the
>> surface elevation at the finish point must be used as the finish
>> altitude.
>>
>> A-8 =A0 =A0 Timing =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Times pertinent to the flight
must
>=
>be confirmed by an OO,
>> based on direct observation from the ground by the OO or a reliable
>> witness using an accurate timepiece. These times must compare
favourably
>> to both GPS data and the relative time data provided by a stand-alone
>> barograph.
>
>Judy,
>
>Per the IGC
>
>A-7 Altitude Evidence must be provided by a barograph. The
>profile of
>GPS-derived altitudes from a GPS position recorder must correspond to
>the
>profile of the barographic record but the former may be used only to
>prove
>continuity of flight. Where the GPS altitude profile closely matches
>the
>barogram, altitude may be determined at a specific fix. Where
>altitude
>within, or exit from, a start OZ cannot be correlated to the
>barogram,
>release alti=ACtude must be used as start altitude; where finish OZ
>entry or
>altitude within the finish OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
>the
>surface elevation at the finish point must be used as the finish
>altitude.
>
>
>
>Does this mean Barographs are on again and who still makes them?
>Also what does one do for a motorglider?
>
>
>
>Richard
>www.craggyaero.com
>
>
>

[Richard[_1_]]

On Aug 2, 11:55*am, Peter Purdie > wrote:
> An IGC Secure Flight Recorder (commonly referred to as a logger, although
> that properly refers to large Scandinavians or Canadians with
> axes/chain-saws) is an electronic barograph. *The rule you reference
> indicates that height is measured as pressure altitude, not GPS derived
> distance above the WGS84 geoid.
>
> At 18:02 02 August 2008, Richard wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 1, 3:40=A0pm, Judy Ruprecht *wrote:
> >> Yup, there's a pending proposal to provide for "Commercial Off the
> >> Shelf" GPS data recording in Sporting Code Section 3 ("SC3"),
> effective
> >> 1 October 2009. (On the same date, cameras would officially become a
> >thin=
> >g
> >> of the past for Silver, Gold, Diamond and Diplome badges.)
>
> >> In many regards, pilot and Observer procedures proposed for COTS would
> >be
> >> identical to those in place for Flight Recorders. Notably, however,
> COTS
> >> would be available only for Silver and Gold badge flights, as are
> >certain
> >> FRs now approved by IGC only at the "Up to Diamonds" level. (eg:
> FLARM
> >> and EWs prior to the Microrecorder).
>
> >> COTS units and file conversion/security checking software would also
> be
> >> subject to approval by individual countries' National Airsport
> Control
> >> organizations, responsible to keep IGC apprised of their actions and
> >> procedures.
>
> >> Love it or hate it (or love it, but hate all the rules & regulations)
> >COT=
> >S
> >> in some form will be coming up for a vote at IGC next March and it's
> not
> >> too early to make your position known to your IGC representative.
> >> (Whoozzat? Check it out
>
> athttp://www.fai.org/directory/delegates.asp?id=
>
>
>
> >=3D6
>
> >> The following excerpt from the pending proposal includes only those
> >items
> >> unique to COTS - or as IGC prefers to call these, "GPS position
> >> recorders."
>
> >> Judy
>
> >> CHAPTER =A04 =A0APPENDIX
> >> The use of GPS position recorders for Silver and Gold badge flights.
>
> >> A-1 =A0 =A0 General Many Global Positioning System devices can record
> >the
> >> coordinates of their position at intervals. If this data can be
> >downloade=
> >d
> >> as an .igc file, NACs may allow suitable GPS position recorders to be
> >use=
> >d
> >> to validate the horizontal position of the glider for Silver or Gold
> >> badges ONLY. Altitude data must be verified from a separate barograph
> >> record of pressure altitude throughout the flight to normal IGC
> >> standards....
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Each NAC is to determine the specific GPS position
> >record=
> >ers approved for
> >> use within their area of responsibility and to maintain a current list
> >of
> >> them. A copy of the technical specification for each model must be
> sent
> >t=
> >o
> >> the FAI, for the attention of IGC, with an indication of any special
> >> instructions the NAC requires for its use. The IGC may advise the NAC
> of
> >> any specific problems that could occur with that GPS position recorder
> >or
> >> where it does not comply with IGC rules and procedures. Both IGC and
> the
> >> NAC must be satisfied that the rules below can be complied with before
> >> accepting any particular model for use.
>
> >> A-3 =A0 =A0 Averaging and predicted positions =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> >=A0=
> > Any GPS position recorder that can
> >> produce fixes both derived from real time satellite lines of position
> >and
> >> estimated fixes produced through averaging or predicting based on past
> >> fixes is acceptable only if the estimation functions are disabled. The
> >OO
> >> must supervise the disabling process or verify that it was completed
> >> before flight and certify that this was done.
>
> >> A-5 =A0 =A0 Declaration =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A written declaration including
> >al=
> >l appropriate items
> >> listed in 4.2.1 is the only acceptable form.
>
> >> A-6 =A0 =A0 Downloading and verification =A0 =A0As a minimum,
> downloaded
> >=
> >data from the
> >> GPS position recorder must be converted as accurately as possible to
> the
> >> igc format. Any conversion program must be approved by the NAC and
> >> include a validation system that will identify any changes made after
> >the
> >> download.
>
> >> A-7 =A0 =A0 Altitude =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Evidence must be provided by a
> >barog=
> >raph. The profile of
> >> GPS-derived altitudes from a GPS position recorder must correspond to
> >the
> >> profile of the barographic record but the former may be used only to
> >prov=
> >e
> >> continuity of flight. Where the GPS altitude profile closely matches
> the
> >> barogram, altitude may be determined at a specific fix. Where altitude
> >> within, or exit from, a start OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
> >> release alti=ACtude must be used as start altitude; where finish OZ
> >entry=
> > or
> >> altitude within the finish OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
> the
> >> surface elevation at the finish point must be used as the finish
> >> altitude.
>
> >> A-8 =A0 =A0 Timing =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Times pertinent to the flight
> must
> >=
> >be confirmed by an OO,
> >> based on direct observation from the ground by the OO or a reliable
> >> witness using an accurate timepiece. These times must compare
> favourably
> >> to both GPS data and the relative time data provided by a stand-alone
> >> barograph.
>
> >Judy,
>
> >Per the IGC
>
> >A-7 * * Altitude * * * * Evidence must be provided by a barograph. The
> >profile of
> >GPS-derived altitudes from a GPS position recorder must correspond to
> >the
> >profile of the barographic record but the former may be used only to
> >prove
> >continuity of flight. Where the GPS altitude profile closely matches
> >the
> >barogram, altitude may be determined at a specific fix. Where
> >altitude
> >within, or exit from, a start OZ cannot be correlated to the
> >barogram,
> >release alti=ACtude must be used as start altitude; where finish OZ
> >entry or
> >altitude within the finish OZ cannot be correlated to the barogram,
> >the
> >surface elevation at the finish point must be used as the finish
> >altitude.
>
> >Does this mean Barographs are on again and who still makes them?
> >Also what does one do for a motorglider?
>
> >Richard
> >www.craggyaero.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Exactly Peter, why would anyone want to submit a barograph log from an
approved IGC logger and also a log from an unapproved logger.

[Andy[_1_]]

On Aug 2, 11:02*am, Richard > wrote:

> Does this mean Barographs are on again and who still makes them?


There must be hundreds, if not thousands, of Winter, Replogle, and
other make, mechanical barographs lingering in closets all over the
world. Nice to know that some of them may see their clocks wound and
their pointers scratch once again.

I wonder if one can still buy camphor and if anyone remembers what to
do with it.

I'd like to know if my very early EW electronic barograph serial
B0021, since converted to GPS recording, will ever be any use again.

Who knows, maybe those Wallmart cameras will fly again one day.

Andy