Ref:DUI

[DaveB[_2_]]

About 35 years ago (during my drinking days) I flew a couple times
with a fellow that would drink beer while flying.

We were flying out of a small airport in Alabama and I really didn't
think much of it. Now after being sober for a long time and a little
older and still alive I realize how crazy that was.
Daveb

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Aug 3, 6:48*pm, (DaveB) wrote:
> About 35 years ago (during my drinking days) I flew a couple times
> with a fellow that would drink beer while flying.
>
> We were flying out of a small airport in Alabama and I really didn't
> think much of it. Now after being sober for a long time and a little
> older and still alive I realize how crazy that was.
> Daveb

Dave
I knew a guy in Calif who had a reputation of drinking while crop
dusting with helicopter. I passed it off as just gossip until one day
when I was working a field and his rig pulled in and he began flying
the same field I was. I walked over and chatted with him to see what
the deal was. Turned out the farmer had called us both just to make
sure his field got sprayed. The guy asked what I was going to do and I
said I had already sprayed half of the field and was going to finish.
What he did was up to him. So, he pulls a beer out of the little
cooler in his cockpit, offers me one which I declined, and proceeds to
drink one while he gets a load of chemical and starts to spray where I
had already worked!
I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I did call a friend of mine
with the FAA and advised him what I had seen. Not sure if any action
was ever taken as I was never contacted about it by anyone.

[Mike[_22_]]

"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
...
> On Aug 3, 6:48 pm, (DaveB) wrote:
> > About 35 years ago (during my drinking days) I flew a couple times
> > with a fellow that would drink beer while flying.
> >
> > We were flying out of a small airport in Alabama and I really didn't
> > think much of it. Now after being sober for a long time and a little
> > older and still alive I realize how crazy that was.
> > Daveb
>
> Dave
> I knew a guy in Calif who had a reputation of drinking while crop
> dusting with helicopter. I passed it off as just gossip until one day
> when I was working a field and his rig pulled in and he began flying
> the same field I was. I walked over and chatted with him to see what
> the deal was. Turned out the farmer had called us both just to make
> sure his field got sprayed. The guy asked what I was going to do and I
> said I had already sprayed half of the field and was going to finish.
> What he did was up to him. So, he pulls a beer out of the little
> cooler in his cockpit, offers me one which I declined, and proceeds to
> drink one while he gets a load of chemical and starts to spray where I
> had already worked!
> I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I did call a friend of mine
> with the FAA and advised him what I had seen. Not sure if any action
> was ever taken as I was never contacted about it by anyone.

A certain percentage of the population has serious problems with alcohol.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that pilots are not immune. I knew controllers
who would come to work reeking of alcohol and I've seen some take drinks out
in the parking lot. I haven't seen any of that since the FAA started
mandatory alcohol testing.

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

DaveB wrote:
> About 35 years ago (during my drinking days) I flew a couple times
> with a fellow that would drink beer while flying.
>
> We were flying out of a small airport in Alabama and I really didn't
> think much of it. Now after being sober for a long time and a little
> older and still alive I realize how crazy that was.
> Daveb


Also, 35 years ago a DUI was no worse for you record than a speeding
ticket. MADD did what they set out to do and to a point it has probably
made us safer on the road. Like all groups that have a mission though
MADD has gone a little overboard and taken the politicians with them.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 4, 10:48*am, Gig 601Xl Builder >
wrote:
> DaveB wrote:
> > About 35 years ago (during my drinking days) I flew a couple times
> > with a fellow that would drink beer while flying.
>
> > We were flying out of a small airport in Alabama and I really didn't
> > think much of it. Now after being sober for a long time and a little
> > older and still alive I realize how crazy that was.
> > Daveb
>
> Also, 35 years ago a DUI was no worse for you record than a speeding
> ticket. MADD did what they set out to do and to a point it has probably
> made us safer on the road. Like all groups that have a mission though
> MADD has gone a little overboard and taken the politicians with them.

For sure alcohol related road accidents have been reduced by more than
half, thanks to organizations like MADD. There seems to a positive
relationship between any level of serum alcohol and reaction times,
but it gets to be serious enough to affect driving at the high 0.0X
levels. I think, for the record, that driving after giving a pint of
blood is pretty much like driving with a blood alcohol level of 0.05
for normal sized people, and I think pilots should stay below
something like 4000 feet for 3 or 4 days after donating blood, for
that matter. I think the USAF prohibits its pilots from being blood
donors.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Aug 3, 4:48*pm, (DaveB) wrote:
> About 35 years ago (during my drinking days) I flew a couple times
> with a fellow that would drink beer while flying.
>
> We were flying out of a small airport in Alabama and I really didn't
> think much of it. Now after being sober for a long time and a little
> older and still alive I realize how crazy that was.
> Daveb

I guess back the day pilots would take a shot of gin before a tough
flight. Probably was the only way to get anyone to do anything as
crazy as they were about to!

-Robert

[[email protected]]

On Aug 4, 12:03*pm, jeremy > wrote:
> wrote:
> > For sure alcohol related road accidents have been reduced by more than
> > half, thanks to organizations like MADD. There seems to a positive
> > relationship between any level of serum alcohol and reaction times,
> > but it gets to be serious enough to affect driving at the high 0.0X
> > levels.
>
> But they have gone too far by making suspicion almost as bad as a conviction.
> The guilty until proven innocent does not apply and in Texas the cost of
> successfully defending against a prosecution is around $5k.
>
> JJ

That sounds like the same kind of liberties Child Protective Services
take in many states. I do think if you blow a 0.08 the presumptive
assumption is you're DUI in most states. That kind of 'authority' is
the same kind that mandates seat belts or helmets for bike riders.
Sometimes I think the last two should be abolished and let Darwin do
his thing, but DUI too often takes out other people too, and we the
people need protection from that kind of reaping.

[Tman]

I like to eat where I fly, and that invariably means a drink or two.
My rule is 1 drink: 1.5 hours until last sip to flying. 2 drinks: 3
hours. 3 drinks: FAA 8 hours at least. Night flight: double those
times for 1 or 2 drinks.
Breaking a little bit the 8-hour b-t-t rule, but hey, I am pretty sure I
have that alcohol metabolized.
I gotta believe this is not egregious, and not uncommon. Not legal tho.
Anyone disagree?

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Tman" <x@x> wrote in message
...
>I like to eat where I fly, and that invariably means a drink or two.
> My rule is 1 drink: 1.5 hours until last sip to flying. 2 drinks: 3
> hours. 3 drinks: FAA 8 hours at least. Night flight: double those times
> for 1 or 2 drinks.
> Breaking a little bit the 8-hour b-t-t rule, but hey, I am pretty sure I
> have that alcohol metabolized.
> I gotta believe this is not egregious, and not uncommon. Not legal tho.
> Anyone disagree?

What a duffus, saying that on a permanent record. Not too smart.

Not too smart to violate the rule, either.

That is, if you are real, and not someone just jerking our chains, which I
strongly now suspect.
--
Jim in NC

[Jason \Home Run\ Kendrick]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:39:50 -0700 (PDT), Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:

> I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I did call a friend of mine
> with the FAA and advised him what I had seen. Not sure if any action
> was ever taken as I was never contacted about it by anyone.

A few brewskis and you jack a guy a job? **** you in between your nose
hairs.
--
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Over the fence I do this a lot. NO softball timidates me
if after me. I kill it.
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[Bear Bottoms[_3_]]

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:41:49 -0400, Tman wrote:

> I like to eat where I fly, and that invariably means a drink or two.
> My rule is 1 drink: 1.5 hours until last sip to flying. 2 drinks: 3
> hours. 3 drinks: FAA 8 hours at least. Night flight: double those
> times for 1 or 2 drinks.
> Breaking a little bit the 8-hour b-t-t rule, but hey, I am pretty sure I
> have that alcohol metabolized.
> I gotta believe this is not egregious, and not uncommon. Not legal tho.
> Anyone disagree?

Yeh, I drink six or 11.
--
Bear Bottoms
website: http://bearware.com

[Jay Maynard]

On 2008-08-05, Jason "Home Run" Kendrick > wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:39:50 -0700 (PDT), Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
>> I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I did call a friend of mine
>> with the FAA and advised him what I had seen. Not sure if any action
>> was ever taken as I was never contacted about it by anyone.
> A few brewskis and you jack a guy a job? **** you in between your nose
> hairs.

A few brewskis *while* *flying*??!!! That guy needs to be out of the
cockpit, NOW.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

[gatt[_5_]]

Jay Maynard wrote:
> On 2008-08-05, Jason "Home Run" Kendrick > wrote:

>>A few brewskis and you jack a guy a job? **** you in between your nose
>>hairs.
>
> A few brewskis *while* *flying*??!!! That guy needs to be out of the
> cockpit, NOW.

Aw, come on. There's nothing dangerous about knocking back a pint or
three before hopping into a plane loaded with fuel and chemicals and
engaging in a hazardous occupation like extreme low-level flight over
people's property and livelihoods, is there?

What could possibly go wrong?!

-c
;>

[Mxsmanic]

Mike writes:

> A certain percentage of the population has serious problems with alcohol.
> It shouldn't surprise anyone that pilots are not immune.

See _The Pilot_ (1980), with Cliff Robertson. As I recall, at the end of the
movie he ends up going from airline pilot to ... cropduster.

> I knew controllers
> who would come to work reeking of alcohol and I've seen some take drinks out
> in the parking lot. I haven't seen any of that since the FAA started
> mandatory alcohol testing.

Good.

[Mxsmanic]

Jason "Home Run" Kendrick writes:

> A few brewskis and you jack a guy a job?

If it involves flying an airplane, yes.

[Mxsmanic]

Tman writes:

> I like to eat where I fly, and that invariably means a drink or two.
> My rule is 1 drink: 1.5 hours until last sip to flying. 2 drinks: 3
> hours. 3 drinks: FAA 8 hours at least. Night flight: double those
> times for 1 or 2 drinks.
> Breaking a little bit the 8-hour b-t-t rule, but hey, I am pretty sure I
> have that alcohol metabolized.
> I gotta believe this is not egregious, and not uncommon. Not legal tho.
> Anyone disagree?

It is both egregious and illegal: FAR 91.17(a)(1). You may not drink alcohol
_at all_ within eight hours before flying.

If you think it's okay ... what's your real, full name?

[Viperdoc[_5_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Mike writes:
>
>> A certain percentage of the population has serious problems with alcohol.
>> It shouldn't surprise anyone that pilots are not immune.
>
> See _The Pilot_ (1980), with Cliff Robertson. As I recall, at the end of
> the
> movie he ends up going from airline pilot to ... cropduster.
>
A crop-duster is still a pilot, which you are not, and never will be
anything but a wannabe.

[Viperdoc[_5_]]

Let's get this all straight. Anthony is not a pilot, and certainly not an
expert on alcohol, its metabolism, or anything to do with addiction.

Why feed his pathetic needs by engaging him in endless discussions? He knows
nothing about flying, and never will.

[[email protected]]

Viperdoc > wrote:
> Let's get this all straight. Anthony is not a pilot, and certainly not an
> expert on alcohol, its metabolism, or anything to do with addiction.

> Why feed his pathetic needs by engaging him in endless discussions? He knows
> nothing about flying, and never will.

Well, if I ever need advice on how to live the life of an expatriate
pauper with no job, begging for items costing less than $10, terrified
of real airplanes and real social interaction, with a list of excuses
why I can never be anything but a failure in life about the size of
the New York phone book, he would be my go-to guy.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Benjamin Dover]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in
:

>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Mike writes:
>>
>>> A certain percentage of the population has serious problems with
>>> alcohol. It shouldn't surprise anyone that pilots are not immune.
>>
>> See _The Pilot_ (1980), with Cliff Robertson. As I recall, at the
>> end of the
>> movie he ends up going from airline pilot to ... cropduster.
>>
> A crop-duster is still a pilot, which you are not, and never will be
> anything but a wannabe.
>
>

Anthony is a wannabe wannabe. He hasn't figured out how to be a wannabe
yet.

[Viperdoc[_3_]]

> why I can never be anything but a failure in life about the size of
> the New York phone book, he would be my go-to guy.


Great point- If I ever need to find a loser and social outcast Anthony would
certainly fit the bill.

However, when it comes to flying and related topics, he has absolutely no
knowledge.

[Rocky Stevens]

On Aug 5, 8:09 pm, Benjamin Dover > wrote:
> "Viperdoc" > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Mike writes:
>
> >>> A certain percentage of the population has serious problems with
> >>> alcohol. It shouldn't surprise anyone that pilots are not immune.
>
> >> See _The Pilot_ (1980), with Cliff Robertson. As I recall, at the
> >> end of the
> >> movie he ends up going from airline pilot to ... cropduster.
>
> > A crop-duster is still a pilot, which you are not, and never will be
> > anything but a wannabe.
>
> Anthony is a wannabe wannabe. He hasn't figured out how to be a wannabe
> yet.

At least he contributes SOMETHING of value to this newsgroup. He asks
real questions, whereas all most of you can do is call him names,
repeat ad nauseum that he is not a pilot, etc. If the actual content
of what he says ****es you off so much, why don't you rub two brain
cells together and come up with, oh I don't know, a counter-argument?
Or perhaps you used all of your intellectual capacity coming up with
such clever names as "Benjamin Dover" and "Buster Hyman" (if the
latter belongs to an adult, the admission to pedophilia is somewhat
disturbing).

[Viperdoc[_3_]]

Are you a newbie or just clueless? Anthony's chronic modus operandi is to
ask a seemingly innocent question, and then argue the response with his
usual confrontational and unsubstantiated style, as if his internet and
MSFS experience somehow equate to actually flying.

Get a clue and watch for a while.

[Benjamin Dover]

Rocky Stevens > wrote in
:

> On Aug 5, 8:09 pm, Benjamin Dover > wrote:
>> "Viperdoc" > wrote
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Mike writes:
>>
>> >>> A certain percentage of the population has serious problems with
>> >>> alcohol. It shouldn't surprise anyone that pilots are not immune.
>>
>> >> See _The Pilot_ (1980), with Cliff Robertson. As I recall, at the
>> >> end of the
>> >> movie he ends up going from airline pilot to ... cropduster.
>>
>> > A crop-duster is still a pilot, which you are not, and never will
>> > be anything but a wannabe.
>>
>> Anthony is a wannabe wannabe. He hasn't figured out how to be a
>> wannabe yet.
>
> At least he contributes SOMETHING of value to this newsgroup. He asks
> real questions, whereas all most of you can do is call him names,
> repeat ad nauseum that he is not a pilot, etc. If the actual content
> of what he says ****es you off so much, why don't you rub two brain
> cells together and come up with, oh I don't know, a counter-argument?
> Or perhaps you used all of your intellectual capacity coming up with
> such clever names as "Benjamin Dover" and "Buster Hyman" (if the
> latter belongs to an adult, the admission to pedophilia is somewhat
> disturbing).
>

Did Anthony give you a good blow job for your defending him? If not, he
cheated you.

[Howdy Doody Time]

"Benjamin Dover" > wrote in message
...
> Rocky Stevens > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Aug 5, 8:09 pm, Benjamin Dover > wrote:
>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >> Mike writes:
>>>
>>> >>> A certain percentage of the population has serious problems with
>>> >>> alcohol. It shouldn't surprise anyone that pilots are not immune.
>>>
>>> >> See _The Pilot_ (1980), with Cliff Robertson. As I recall, at the
>>> >> end of the
>>> >> movie he ends up going from airline pilot to ... cropduster.
>>>
>>> > A crop-duster is still a pilot, which you are not, and never will
>>> > be anything but a wannabe.
>>>
>>> Anthony is a wannabe wannabe. He hasn't figured out how to be a
>>> wannabe yet.
>>
>> At least he contributes SOMETHING of value to this newsgroup. He asks
>> real questions, whereas all most of you can do is call him names,
>> repeat ad nauseum that he is not a pilot, etc. If the actual content
>> of what he says ****es you off so much, why don't you rub two brain
>> cells together and come up with, oh I don't know, a counter-argument?
>> Or perhaps you used all of your intellectual capacity coming up with
>> such clever names as "Benjamin Dover" and "Buster Hyman" (if the
>> latter belongs to an adult, the admission to pedophilia is somewhat
>> disturbing).
>>
>
> Did Anthony give you a good blow job for your defending him? If not, he
> cheated you.
>
Hand job. That's how sockpuppets are paid.

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:16:18 -0500, "Viperdoc"
> wrote:

>
>> why I can never be anything but a failure in life about the size of
>> the New York phone book, he would be my go-to guy.
>
>
>Great point- If I ever need to find a loser and social outcast Anthony would
>certainly fit the bill.
>
>However, when it comes to flying and related topics, he has absolutely no
>knowledge.
>

and amazingly, no knowledge that he has no knowledge.

[gatt[_5_]]

Rocky Stevens wrote:

> At least he contributes SOMETHING of value to this newsgroup. He asks
> real questions, whereas all most of you can do is call him names,
> repeat ad nauseum that he is not a pilot, etc. If the actual content
> of what he says ****es you off so much, why don't you rub two brain
> cells together and come up with, oh I don't know, a counter-argument?

It's been done, time and again. Never makes any difference.

He contradicts commercial pilots and flight instructors. He can't be
told he's wrong.

-c