3rd class medical now expires in 60 months ?

[sid]

Today I was informed by my medical examiner that the “Medical
Certificate” for 3rd class now expires after 60 months as opposed to
36 months for pilots under the age of 40 years at the time of
issuance.

I am trying to finish my VFR, but my student certificate expires after
24 months.
The examiner informs me that the next student certificate needs to be
issued by my instructor.

The examiner suggested I visit the FAA website to look up the current
regs, but the copy of the regs on the FAA site is like reading a
dictionary and I was unsuccessful at finding any information on this
subject.

Can anyone provide a link to this reg ? Does anyone have a comment
on the subject ?
The examiner stated that this reg change went into effect two weeks
ago.

Thanks

[[email protected]]

sid > wrote:
> Today I was informed by my medical examiner that the ?Medical
> Certificate? for 3rd class now expires after 60 months as opposed to
> 36 months for pilots under the age of 40 years at the time of
> issuance.

> I am trying to finish my VFR, but my student certificate expires after
> 24 months.
> The examiner informs me that the next student certificate needs to be
> issued by my instructor.

> The examiner suggested I visit the FAA website to look up the current
> regs, but the copy of the regs on the FAA site is like reading a
> dictionary and I was unsuccessful at finding any information on this
> subject.

> Can anyone provide a link to this reg ? Does anyone have a comment
> on the subject ?
> The examiner stated that this reg change went into effect two weeks
> ago.

> Thanks

See the AOPA web site, there have already been a number of questions
like this.


--
Jim Pennino

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[sid]

On Aug 9, 11:45*am, wrote:
> sid > wrote:
> > Today I was informed by my medical examiner that the ?Medical
> > Certificate? for 3rd class now expires after 60 months as opposed to
> > 36 months for pilots under the age of 40 years at the time of
> > issuance.
> > I am trying to finish my VFR, but my student certificate expires after
> > 24 months.
> > The examiner informs me that the next student certificate needs to be
> > issued by my instructor.
> > The examiner suggested I visit the FAA website to look up the current
> > regs, but the copy of the regs on the FAA site is like reading a
> > dictionary and I was unsuccessful at finding any information on this
> > subject.
> > Can anyone provide a link to this reg ? * *Does anyone have a comment
> > on the subject ?
> > The examiner stated that this reg change went into effect two weeks
> > ago.
> > Thanks
>
> See the AOPA web site, there have already been a number of questions
> like this.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I found this article on AOPA: http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2008/080723medical.html

But it does not discuss who or how the student certificate is re-
issued.

Thanks

[Vaughn Simon]

"sid" > wrote in message
...
But it does not discuss who or how the student certificate is re-
issued.

Back when I started my glider training, I had to obtain a student's
certificate without taking a flight physical. It was then done through the FSBO
(no charge) or through any designee (whatever they decided to charge). I paid a
local designee to type one up for me.

How is it done for Sport Pilot students?

Vaughn

[Sylvain]

sid wrote:

> I am trying to finish my VFR, but my student certificate expires after
> 24 months.
> The examiner informs me that the next student certificate needs to be
> issued by my instructor.

One common confusion is that your student certificate is in fact two
documents on one piece of paper: the student certificate proper and the
medical certificate, each with their own expiration date; it so happens
that the AME can issue both, but the student certificate part can also be
issued by the FSDO or an examiner (see 14 CFR 61.85); as far as I know,
your instructor cannot renew it (unless s/he is also an examiner)

--Sylvain

[Rocky Stevens]

On Aug 9, 2:52 pm, "Vaughn Simon" >
wrote:
> "sid" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> But it does not discuss who or how the student certificate is re-
> issued.
>
> Back when I started my glider training, I had to obtain a student's
> certificate without taking a flight physical. It was then done through the FSBO
> (no charge) or through any designee (whatever they decided to charge). I paid a
> local designee to type one up for me.
>
> How is it done for Sport Pilot students?
>
> Vaughn

There is no "student's certificate" for sport pilots, just
endorsements in the logbook (i.e. to solo, to fly in certain
airspaces, etc).

[BT]

>
> There is no "student's certificate" for sport pilots, just
> endorsements in the logbook (i.e. to solo, to fly in certain
> airspaces, etc).

Rocky, I believe that there is a requirement for a Student Pilot
Certificate.
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_pilot/media/student_pilot%20_guidance.pdf

In addition to the log book endorsements you mentioned and listed in the
above document.
The "Student Certificate" can be issued by the FSDO or a Designated Pilot
Examiner. It may have a restriction that it is to be used for "Glider,
Balloon, or Light Sport Aircraft Only" as it is not backed by a medical
examination. If the Student Pilot does not have an appropriate form of
showing medical requirements are met for Sport Pilot, then it will be
restricted to Glider or Balloon.

"An applicant for student pilot certificate for sport pilot -

Must hold either a medical certificate or U.S. driver's license -- A person
must hold and possess

either a valid medical certificate issued under part 67 or a current and
valid U.S. driver's license when

exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking sport
pilot privileges in a light-sport

aircraft other than a glider or balloon.?

[Rocky Stevens]

On Aug 9, 11:55 pm, "BT" > wrote:
> > There is no "student's certificate" for sport pilots, just
> > endorsements in the logbook (i.e. to solo, to fly in certain
> > airspaces, etc).
>
> Rocky, I believe that there is a requirement for a Student Pilot
> Certificate.http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_p...
>

I stand corrected; I thought everything was done via endorsements. So
what is the student certificate required for? Is it for soloing, like
the student certificate for PPL? Not that I am going to be soloing
anytime soon, but if I need to get one I might as well get it out of
the way.

[Rocky Stevens]

On Aug 10, 12:43 am, Rocky Stevens > wrote:
> On Aug 9, 11:55 pm, "BT" > wrote:
>
> > > There is no "student's certificate" for sport pilots, just
> > > endorsements in the logbook (i.e. to solo, to fly in certain
> > > airspaces, etc).
>
> > Rocky, I believe that there is a requirement for a Student Pilot
> > Certificate.http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_p...
>
> I stand corrected; I thought everything was done via endorsements. So
> what is the student certificate required for? Is it for soloing, like
> the student certificate for PPL? Not that I am going to be soloing
> anytime soon, but if I need to get one I might as well get it out of
> the way.

I guess it IS needed for soloing...
From http://www.sportpilot.org/newpilot/steps.html:

"Acquisition of a Student Sport Pilot Certificate: Before you may
engage in solo flight training, you will need a Student Sport Pilot
Certificate issued by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)."

[BT]

yes... everyone needs a certificate of some sort.. and the back of the
student pilot certificate for Balloons, Gliders and now Light Sport have the
spaces for the instructors solo endorsements and 90 day reviews. That
certificate needs to be signed every 90 days by your CFI.

Make an appointment with the Flight Standards District Office in your area,
or a local DPE.
Bring the required ID and proof of health, for the Sport Pilot, that means a
valid drivers license.
Your CFI should know where to go... and don't let him send you to an AME
(Medical Dr) for it.

BT
CFI-G

"Rocky Stevens" > wrote in message
...
> On Aug 10, 12:43 am, Rocky Stevens > wrote:
>> On Aug 9, 11:55 pm, "BT" > wrote:
>>
>> > > There is no "student's certificate" for sport pilots, just
>> > > endorsements in the logbook (i.e. to solo, to fly in certain
>> > > airspaces, etc).
>>
>> > Rocky, I believe that there is a requirement for a Student Pilot
>> > Certificate.http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_p...
>>
>> I stand corrected; I thought everything was done via endorsements. So
>> what is the student certificate required for? Is it for soloing, like
>> the student certificate for PPL? Not that I am going to be soloing
>> anytime soon, but if I need to get one I might as well get it out of
>> the way.
>
> I guess it IS needed for soloing...
> From http://www.sportpilot.org/newpilot/steps.html:
>
> "Acquisition of a Student Sport Pilot Certificate: Before you may
> engage in solo flight training, you will need a Student Sport Pilot
> Certificate issued by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)."
>
>

[sid]

On Aug 10, 4:35*pm, "BT" > wrote:
> yes... everyone needs a certificate of some sort.. and the back of the
> student pilot certificate for Balloons, Gliders and now Light Sport have the
> spaces for the instructors solo endorsements and 90 day reviews. That
> certificate needs to be signed every 90 days by your CFI.
>
> Make an appointment with the Flight Standards District Office in your area,
> or a local DPE.
> Bring the required ID and proof of health, for the Sport Pilot, that means a
> valid drivers license.
> Your CFI should know where to go... and don't let him send you to an AME
> (Medical Dr) for it.
>
> BT
> CFI-G
>
> "Rocky Stevens" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 12:43 am, Rocky Stevens > wrote:
> >> On Aug 9, 11:55 pm, "BT" > wrote:
>
> >> > > There is no "student's certificate" for sport pilots, just
> >> > > endorsements in the logbook (i.e. to solo, to fly in certain
> >> > > airspaces, etc).
>
> >> > Rocky, I believe that there is a requirement for a Student Pilot
> >> > Certificate.http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_p...
>
> >> I stand corrected; I thought everything was done via endorsements. So
> >> what is the student certificate required for? Is it for soloing, like
> >> the student certificate for PPL? Not that I am going to be soloing
> >> anytime soon, but if I need to get one I might as well get it out of
> >> the way.
>
> > I guess it IS needed for soloing...
> > Fromhttp://www.sportpilot.org/newpilot/steps.html:
>
> > "Acquisition of a Student Sport Pilot Certificate: Before you may
> > engage in solo flight training, you will need a Student Sport Pilot
> > Certificate issued by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for all the input. Today I got a new student permit from the
FSDO.

Not a big deal.

Thanks

[Robert M. Gary]

On Aug 9, 9:27*am, sid > wrote:
> Today I was informed by my medical examiner that the “Medical
> Certificate” for 3rd class now expires after 60 months as opposed to
> 36 months for pilots under the age of 40 years at the time of
> issuance.
>
> I am trying to finish my VFR, but my student certificate expires after
> 24 months.
> The examiner informs me that the next student certificate needs to be
> issued by my instructor.
>
> The examiner suggested I visit the FAA website to look up the current
> regs, but the copy of the regs on the FAA site is like reading a
> dictionary and I was unsuccessful at finding any information on this
> subject.
>
> Can anyone provide a link to this reg ? * *Does anyone have a comment
> on the subject ?
> The examiner stated that this reg change went into effect two weeks
> ago.
>
> Thanks

Yes, this is very important. You currently have a dual-purpose piece
of paper. 1) Its your 3rd class medical and 2) Its your student pilot
certificate. Although the medical is good for 3-5 years the student
pilot certificate is only good for 24 months!!!!!!

You cannot fly with a student pilot certificate older than 24 months.
However, there is a solution. You and your CFI fill out an 8710
(electronic or paper) and apply for a student pilot certificate. You
can either take it to the FSDO and have them hand you a new student
pilot certificate or you find any bored DE standing around waiting for
a checkride and he can write you one in 10 seconds (I've done that for
many of my students).

Please, don't make the mistake of thinking your student pilot
certificate is good for as long as your 3rd class medical.

CFR 61.19
(b) Student pilot certificate. A student pilot certificate expires 24
calendar months from the month in which it is issued.



-Robert, CFII

[Robert M. Gary]

On Aug 10, 2:35*pm, "BT" > wrote:
> yes... everyone needs a certificate of some sort.. and the back of the
> student pilot certificate for Balloons, Gliders and now Light Sport have the
> spaces for the instructors solo endorsements and 90 day reviews. That
> certificate needs to be signed every 90 days by your CFI.
>
> Make an appointment with the Flight Standards District Office in your area,
> or a local DPE.
> Bring the required ID and proof of health, for the Sport Pilot, that means a
> valid drivers license.
> Your CFI should know where to go... and don't let him send you to an AME
> (Medical Dr) for it.


No proof of health is required. Just bring an 8710 application for a
student pilot certificate. There is no basis for its issuance so there
is no way for the FSDO or DE to deny it. When my students run into
this I'll usually just grab a DE who is waiting to do a checkride,
hand him the 8710 and he hands me the new temporary student pilot's
certificate. The transaction takes about 30 seconds. Why the FAA
requires this is beyond me.

-Robert, CFII