High Price of Flying Wires?

[PWK]

Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost
3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost.

Thanks- J. Wolfer

[Larry Smith]

"PWK" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
cost
> 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost.
>
> Thanks- J. Wolfer

monopoly

[Barnyard BOb --]

"Larry Smith" wrote:

>> Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
>cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost.
>>
>> Thanks- J. Wolfer
>
>monopoly
++++++++++++
LOW volume and...
HIGH priced lawyers.


Barnyard BOb --

[Building The Perfect Beast]

>Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost
>3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost.
>
>Thanks- J. Wolfer
>
>
>
>
>

Hello. I have a set of flying wires that may suffice and I will sell them for
considerably less than you have been quoted. It's worth a shot anyway. If you
are interested please provide dimensions including maximum length to this
newsgroup and I'll see if what I have will work for you.

[Larry Smith]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Larry Smith" wrote:
>
> >> Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
> >cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high
cost.
> >>
> >> Thanks- J. Wolfer
> >
> >monopoly
> ++++++++++++
> LOW volume and...
> HIGH priced lawyers.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb --

Well, maybe, BOb, but I doubt it. How many suits against the flying wire
manufacturers? If there are any lawsuits, then maybe. If not, the mfrs.
have a chicken little paranoia. But flying wire mfrs. aren't "they."

"They" are Brunton and Brunton only, unless someone else tooled up to roll
them. Brunton bought out McWhyte and so has a m o n o p o l y. Besides,
Brunton is in Scotland. It names its price and is hardly vulnerable to USA
lawsuits.

Which makes me wonder. Anybody ever seen cables on a Pitts?

[JDupre5762]

>"Barnyard BOb --"

>> "Larry Smith" wrote:
>>
>> >> Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
>> >cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high
>cost.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks- J. Wolfer
>> >
>> >monopoly
>> ++++++++++++
>> LOW volume and...
>> HIGH priced lawyers.
>>
>>
>> Barnyard BOb --
>
>Well, maybe, BOb, but I doubt it. How many suits against the flying wire
>manufacturers? If there are any lawsuits, then maybe. If not, the mfrs.
>have a chicken little paranoia. But flying wire mfrs. aren't "they."
>
>"They" are Brunton and Brunton only, unless someone else tooled up to roll
>them. Brunton bought out McWhyte and so has a m o n o p o l y. Besides,
>Brunton is in Scotland. It names its price and is hardly vulnerable to USA
>lawsuits.

I think low volume and monopoly pretty well cover it even if Brunton's is
somewhat immune from USA lawsuits. Flying wires are essentially hand made by
experienced craftsmen. When the wire itself is drawn through the machine that
gives it the aerodynamic shape it is very wavy. They work out the waviness by
tapping each and every wire with mallets against a thick wooden bench. The
threaded ends are also rolled and not cut. I imagine rolling threads is a more
costly process than cutting them too. A set of wires for a Pitts or something
similar must take a fair number of hours. The high labor costs in maintaining
and particularly recovering fabric covered aircraft is one of the reason Piper
builds Cherokees today and not Cubs even though the cost of materials for a Cub
are probably still cheaper than the cost of aluminum for a Cherokee.

John Dupre'

[Rich S.]

"JDupre5762" > wrote in message
...
> ........................ The high labor costs in maintaining
> and particularly recovering fabric covered aircraft is one of the reason
Piper
> builds Cherokees today and not Cubs even though the cost of materials for
a Cub
> are probably still cheaper than the cost of aluminum for a Cherokee.

And - Boeing would build 767's out of Sitka Spruce !!! :-))))))))

Rich "Real airplanes are woodie's!!" S

[Barnyard BOb --]

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:33:26 -0400, "Larry Smith"
> wrote:

>
>"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Larry Smith" wrote:
>>
>> >> Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
>> >cost 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high
>cost.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks- J. Wolfer
>> >
>> >monopoly
>> ++++++++++++
>> LOW volume and...
>> HIGH priced lawyers.
>>
>>
>> Barnyard BOb --
>
>Well, maybe, BOb, but I doubt it. How many suits against the flying wire
>manufacturers? If there are any lawsuits, then maybe.

Tongue in cheek, Larry.

>"They" are Brunton and Brunton only, unless someone else tooled up to roll
>them. Brunton bought out McWhyte and so has a m o n o p o l y. Besides,
>Brunton is in Scotland. It names its price and is hardly vulnerable to USA
>lawsuits.

Forget the lawsuit angle...

If this MONOPOLY is truly lucrative,
why don't you take these folks on?
Sounds like you could beat the socks
off Brunton.

It would be interesting to see what you
would charge if it was your low volume
custom business.

FWIW --
This business has come full circle. Read on...

http://www.airbum.com/articles/Flyingwires.html


Barnyard BOb -- the grass is always greener

[Del Rawlins]

On 28 Sep 2003 01:05 PM, Barnyard BOb -- posted the following:

> FWIW --
> This business has come full circle. Read on...
>
> http://www.airbum.com/articles/Flyingwires.html

BOb, just wanted to let you know you are a jerk. I'm pretty sure I'd
already read that article but you caused me to spend the last two hours
reading Budd's site and getting caught up on the new material he has
posted since the last time I checked it. Because of you, my project
will now be another 2 hours later in getting finished than it would
otherwise have been. I can take some satisfaction in knowing that the
accumulated delays in construction all adds up to more time for the
diesel people to get my eventual engine built. 8^/

As far as the high cost of wires goes, it is true if you are buying just
a few or one set at a time. A few years ago on the Bearhawk list, one
of our members put together a group purchase for 10 sets of streamlined,
stainless wires for the tailfeathers, and the discount we received from
Steen Aero Lab for the volume order was amazing. I don't remember the
exact numbers but it was better than half off the regular price.

And just as a clarification, the Bearhawk is a simple design that
certainly doesn't require anything so hifalutin' as streamlined wires.
The plans call for round 4130 threaded by the homebuilder to brace the
tail (in addition to a streamlined 4130 tube strut) but being from the
Alaskan coast where things will rust/corrode if you so much as think the
wrong thoughts about them, I couldn't pass up the chance at stainless
wires with rolled threads. I have observed that you can sell almost
anything to an Alaskan, so long as it is made out of stainless steel.

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[Barnyard BOb --]

Del Rawlins wrote:

>> FWIW --
>> This business has come full circle. Read on...
>>
>> http://www.airbum.com/articles/Flyingwires.html
>
>BOb, just wanted to let you know you are a jerk. I'm pretty sure I'd
>already read that article but you caused me to spend the last two hours
>reading Budd's site and getting caught up on the new material he has
>posted since the last time I checked it. Because of you, my project
>will now be another 2 hours later in getting finished than it would
>otherwise have been. I can take some satisfaction in knowing that the
>accumulated delays in construction all adds up to more time for the
>diesel people to get my eventual engine built. 8^/
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Poor fella. <bfg>

Have you tried Evelyn Woods speed reading? If not --
Shouldn't take over 2 more diesel advantaged hours to check out....

http://www.evelynwood.com.au/

http://skepdic.com/speedreading.html

http://www.advancedreading.com/aboutus.ivnu

http://www.mysticdancer.com/evelyn_wood_speed_reading.html

http://www.child-reading-tips.com/evelyn-wood-7-day-speed-reading-and-learning-program.htm



Barnyard BOb -- the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming, the
disels are coming, the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming

[Del Rawlins]

On 28 Sep 2003 09:11 PM, Barnyard BOb -- posted the following:

> Have you tried Evelyn Woods speed reading? If not --
> Shouldn't take over 2 more diesel advantaged hours to check out....

Thanks for the links. No doubt that would allow me to waste time on the
net, faster. 8^)

> Barnyard BOb -- the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming, the
> disels are coming, the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming

No need for the warning, we should be able to hear/smell them well in
advance. I plan to have the first Bearhawk equipped with chrome stacks,
and mudflaps on my wheel pants, complete with the chrome reclining lady.
I just hope it doesn't lead the a re-start of the thread concerning the
use of starting fluid....

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[Model Flyer]

"Del Rawlins" > wrote in
message ...
> On 28 Sep 2003 09:11 PM, Barnyard BOb -- posted the following:
>
> > Have you tried Evelyn Woods speed reading? If not --
> > Shouldn't take over 2 more diesel advantaged hours to check
out....
>
> Thanks for the links. No doubt that would allow me to waste time
on the
> net, faster. 8^)
>

You may be able to read it faster, however that would be no advantage
as the download would still take just as long, read it quick enough
and you just sit waiting for that extra hour or two.


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> > Barnyard BOb -- the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming,
the
> > disels are coming, the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming
>
> No need for the warning, we should be able to hear/smell them well
in
> advance. I plan to have the first Bearhawk equipped with chrome
stacks,
> and mudflaps on my wheel pants, complete with the chrome reclining
lady.
> I just hope it doesn't lead the a re-start of the thread concerning
the
> use of starting fluid....
>
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[Barnyard BOb --]

>> Have you tried Evelyn Woods speed reading? If not --
>> Shouldn't take over 2 more diesel advantaged hours to check out....
>
>Thanks for the links. No doubt that would allow me to waste time on the
>net, faster. 8^)

No bout a doubt it.

>> Barnyard BOb -- the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming, the
>> disels are coming, the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming
>
>No need for the warning, we should be able to hear/smell them well in
>advance. I plan to have the first Bearhawk equipped with chrome stacks,
>and mudflaps on my wheel pants, complete with the chrome reclining lady.
>I just hope it doesn't lead the a re-start of the thread concerning the
>use of starting fluid....
>
>Del Rawlins-

You've got larger problems looming than starting fluid headed your
way. If you believe giving up Alaskan gasoline for jet fuel is a
solution....what about conditioning your dirty diesel fuel so it
remains thinner and cleaner than your favorite jam or jelly when
the temps tank and the fuel injectors go on strike?

Gonna start stocking up on 55 gallon drums of Prist and other
assorted diesel conditioning essentials now.... or just whimp
and limp along as a part time summer jet fuel jockey? ;-)


Barnyard BOb --

[Barnyard BOb --]

>> Barnyard BOb -- the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming, the
>> disels are coming, the diesels are coming, the diesels are coming
>
>No need for the warning, we should be able to hear/smell them well in
>advance. I plan to have the first Bearhawk equipped with chrome stacks,
>and mudflaps on my wheel pants, complete with the chrome reclining lady.

>Del Rawlins
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hot off the AVflash press...

"JET-A FOR GA PROGRESS CONTINUES ... OVERSEAS
The French engine-builder SMA received Supplementary Type Certificates
this month from the French aviation agency, DGAC, that OK its Jet
A-burning diesel SR305-230 piston engine for installation on the C-182
and the F182 (produced by French aircraft manufacturer Reims Aviation
Industries). FAA validation is expected to follow shortly, according
to SMA. A flight demonstration tour will begin by the end of October,
with stops in the United Kingdom and across Europe, using a 182 owned
by Aviation sans Frontieres, the first to be fitted with the engine.
SMA says its engine will go 3,000 hours before overhaul, and is easy
to maintain, reliable, user-friendly, and good for the environment."

Wanna guess what these puppies are gonna sell for? <---<<<<


Barnyard BOb -- can't even afford a wild arse guess

[Del Rawlins]

On 29 Sep 2003 03:41 AM, Barnyard BOb -- posted the following:

> You've got larger problems looming than starting fluid headed your
> way. If you believe giving up Alaskan gasoline for jet fuel is a
> solution....what about conditioning your dirty diesel fuel so it
> remains thinner and cleaner than your favorite jam or jelly when
> the temps tank and the fuel injectors go on strike?

Been there, done that (grew up in family freight business driving trucks).
Mine will be burning Jet A, assuming I use a diesel. Jet fuel seems to
work fine for the commercial operators here all through the winter.

> Gonna start stocking up on 55 gallon drums of Prist and other
> assorted diesel conditioning essentials now.... or just whimp
> and limp along as a part time summer jet fuel jockey? ;-)

To be honest, my airplane will probably spend most of the winter
hangared for other reasons. Most of the places I am interested in
flying to are reachable only on floats, so aside from the possible
occasional run on skis to check on the cabin or whatever, I don't
anticipate a lot of winter flying.

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[Del Rawlins]

On 29 Sep 2003 03:10 AM, Model Flyer posted the following:
>
> "Del Rawlins" > wrote in
> message ...
>> On 28 Sep 2003 09:11 PM, Barnyard BOb -- posted the following:
>>
>> > Have you tried Evelyn Woods speed reading? If not --
>> > Shouldn't take over 2 more diesel advantaged hours to check
> out....
>>
>> Thanks for the links. No doubt that would allow me to waste time
> on the
>> net, faster. 8^)
>>
>
> You may be able to read it faster, however that would be no advantage
> as the download would still take just as long, read it quick enough
> and you just sit waiting for that extra hour or two.

Two words: cable modem.

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[JDupre5762]

>. The high labor costs in maintaining
>> and particularly recovering fabric covered aircraft is one of the reason
>Piper
>> builds Cherokees today and not Cubs even though the cost of materials for
>a Cub
>> are probably still cheaper than the cost of aluminum for a Cherokee.
>
>And - Boeing would build 767's out of Sitka Spruce !!! :-))))))))
>
>Rich "Real airplanes are woodie's!!" S

I wonder if aircraft quality Sitka Spruce isn't more expensive than aluminum?!

John Dupre'

[clare @ snyder.on .ca]

On 30 Sep 2003 22:40:03 GMT, (JDupre5762) wrote:

>>. The high labor costs in maintaining
>>> and particularly recovering fabric covered aircraft is one of the reason
>>Piper
>>> builds Cherokees today and not Cubs even though the cost of materials for
>>a Cub
>>> are probably still cheaper than the cost of aluminum for a Cherokee.
>>
>>And - Boeing would build 767's out of Sitka Spruce !!! :-))))))))
>>
>>Rich "Real airplanes are woodie's!!" S
>
>I wonder if aircraft quality Sitka Spruce isn't more expensive than aluminum?!
>
>John Dupre'
Most definitely.
Getting hard to find good stuff at any price. Both Chrome Moly steel
and aluminum are less axpensive than aircraft spruce.

[Rich S.]

"JDupre5762" > wrote in message
...
>
> I wonder if aircraft quality Sitka Spruce isn't more expensive than
aluminum?!

That's what I meant !

Takes a bit more time to craft, as well.

Rich S.

[Morgans]

"Rich S." > wrote in message
...
> "JDupre5762" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I wonder if aircraft quality Sitka Spruce isn't more expensive than
> aluminum?!
>
> That's what I meant !
>
> Takes a bit more time to craft, as well.
>
> Rich S.
>
>
Yes, but cutting wood smells better than cutting aluminum or fiberglass.<g>
--
Jim in NC

[Rich S.]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> Yes, but cutting wood smells better than cutting aluminum or
fiberglass.<g>
> --
> Jim in NC

Oh, but Jim - there are few things that are more pleasingly fragrant than a
port-o-let at Oshkosh in the morning.

Rich S.

[Morgans]

"Rich S." > wrote > >
> > Yes, but cutting wood smells better than cutting aluminum or
> fiberglass.<g>
> > --
> > Jim in NC
>
> Oh, but Jim - there are few things that are more pleasingly fragrant than
a
> port-o-let at Oshkosh in the morning.
>
> Rich S.

Uhhhh, yea?! (puzzlement)

Especially when you get the wonderful, relaxing, melodic, sounds of the
early morning entertainment coming over the P.A. mixing with the smell!
--
Jim in NC

[Rich S.]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rich S." > wrote > >
> > Oh, but Jim - there are few things that are more pleasingly fragrant
than
> a
> > port-o-let at Oshkosh in the morning.
> >
> > Rich S.
>
> Uhhhh, yea?! (puzzlement)
>
> Especially when you get the wonderful, relaxing, melodic, sounds of the
> early morning entertainment coming over the P.A. mixing with the smell!

(Taking the cigar out of his mouth, sez)
God help me, I love it!

Rich "Patton is one of my heroes" S.

[Kelvin & Janice Rempel]

Just in case no one has mentioned it yet. Roger Rourke in California makes
up his own Round flying wires for homebuilts. His number is 661-766-2753.
His prices are probably half of what you would pay for the streamline wires.

K. Rempel

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> "PWK" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
> cost
> > 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high
cost.
> >
> > Thanks- J. Wolfer
>
> monopoly
>
>

[Model Flyer]

"Del Rawlins" > wrote in
message ...
> On 29 Sep 2003 03:10 AM, Model Flyer posted the following:
> >

> > as the download would still take just as long, read it quick
enough
> > and you just sit waiting for that extra hour or two.
>
> Two words: cable modem.
>

Not cost effective here in Ireland, still stuck with dial-up
ISDN.:-( so haveto wait for long messages to download.
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[Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club]

Kelvin & Janice Rempel wrote:

> Just in case no one has mentioned it yet. Roger Rourke in California makes
> up his own Round flying wires for homebuilts. His number is 661-766-2753.
> His prices are probably half of what you would pay for the streamline wires.
>
> K. Rempel
>

Or you could make your own...

Phil

[Bruce A. Frank]

No, low volume.

Larry Smith wrote:
>
> "PWK" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
> cost
> > 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost.
> >
> > Thanks- J. Wolfer
>
> monopoly

--
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Homebuilt Aircraft Newsletter"
| Publishing interesting material|
| on all aspects of alternative |
| engines and homebuilt aircraft.|

[Jerry Wass]

If you're the only show in town, you charge all the traffic will bear, or send 'em
to
merry old Scotland---'course $3K will buy a lot of haggus.

"Bruce A. Frank" wrote:

> No, low volume.
>
> Larry Smith wrote:
> >
> > "PWK" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes
> > cost
> > > 3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost.
> > >
> > > Thanks- J. Wolfer
> >
> > monopoly
>
> --
> Bruce A. Frank, Editor "Ford 3.8/4.2L Engine and V-6 STOL
> Homebuilt Aircraft Newsletter"
> | Publishing interesting material|
> | on all aspects of alternative |
> | engines and homebuilt aircraft.|

[Stealth Pilot]

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:37:11 -0600, Jerry Wass >
wrote:

you know I've been amused by the header of this thread for some time.
when you consider the absolutely critical nature of the things I'm
damned if I'd be buying the cheaper ones if they were available.

they are the most non redundant parts of an aircraft that uses them.
buy the best, you are seldom around for a warranty claim.

Stealth Pilot

[Larry Smith]

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:37:11 -0600, Jerry Wass >
> wrote:
>
> you know I've been amused by the header of this thread for some time.
> when you consider the absolutely critical nature of the things I'm
> damned if I'd be buying the cheaper ones if they were available.
>
> they are the most non redundant parts of an aircraft that uses them.
> buy the best, you are seldom around for a warranty claim.
>
> Stealth Pilot

Good is of one, better of two, best of three or more. All you can get are
good. Monopoly and all like that. Brunton bought out its competitor.

[Rich S.]

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
>
> you know I've been amused by the header of this thread for some time.
> when you consider the absolutely critical nature of the things I'm
> damned if I'd be buying the cheaper ones if they were available.
>
> they are the most non redundant parts of an aircraft that uses them.
> buy the best, you are seldom around for a warranty claim.

I am amused by those who equate price with quality. :o)))

Rich S.

[Stealth Pilot]

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:03:57 -0800, "Rich S."
> wrote:

>"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> you know I've been amused by the header of this thread for some time.
>> when you consider the absolutely critical nature of the things I'm
>> damned if I'd be buying the cheaper ones if they were available.
>>
>> they are the most non redundant parts of an aircraft that uses them.
>> buy the best, you are seldom around for a warranty claim.
>
>I am amused by those who equate price with quality. :o)))
>
>Rich S.
>
every time I pass up a $4 set of chinese drills for a $17 set of
sutton or frost drills I too am amused by those who believe that
quality can be had for $4. (australian $) and that drills made in mild
steel will be ok if tungsten coated.

in aviation though you get mightily sick of the price impost of
insurance and those who prey on the acceptance of it.
a $us17 spruce 4" tailwheel regularly retails in australia for $aus80.
$aus1 = $us0.72

Stealth (*******s) Pilot

[Rich S.]

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
>
> in aviation though you get mightily sick of the price impost of
> insurance and those who prey on the acceptance of it.
> a $us17 spruce 4" tailwheel regularly retails in australia for $aus80.
> $aus1 = $us0.72

As well as those who just use "Product Liability" as an excuse to gouge
customers. To wit - the price of new Cessnas. Adjusted for inflation, should
be around $60,000 U.S. Congress has already passed significant tort reform,
but the price is $160,000.

Truth is, they make more profit per dollar of investment building Citations.
Liability has little to do with their decisions.

Rich S.

[warmas]

"I need to replace a couple flying wires on my Smith Miniplane.
Anyone have any for sale?

Mike Warbington

[[email protected]]

On Friday, September 26, 2003 at 6:23:48 AM UTC+12, Building The Perfect Beast wrote:
> >Wondering why the price of a set of Flying wires for most HB Bi Planes cost
> >3k or more? Not trying to argue, just wondering what drives the high cost.
> >
> >Thanks- J. Wolfer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Hello. I have a set of flying wires that may suffice and I will sell them for
> considerably less than you have been quoted. It's worth a shot anyway. If you
> are interested please provide dimensions including maximum length to this
> newsgroup and I'll see if what I have will work for you.

try Russ Ward www.vintageaero.com in New Zealand. They have been making flying wires for over 10 years and have an excellent track record.