Plane & Car Collide

[DaveB[_2_]]

NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
ejecting and killing him.

The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.

The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
Bernardino County.

Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
slammed into it.

Daveb

[DaveB[_2_]]

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:42:30 -0500, Ross > wrote:

>DaveB wrote:
>> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
>> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
>> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
>> ejecting and killing him.
>>
>> The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
>> the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>>
>> The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
>> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
>> Bernardino County.
>>
>> Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
>> taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
>> slammed into it.
>>
>> Daveb
>I though I 95 was on the east coast.
>
>--
>
>Regards, Ross
>C-172F 180HP
>KSWI


http://www.abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=6322911
Daveb

[Ross]

DaveB wrote:
> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> ejecting and killing him.
>
> The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>
> The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> Bernardino County.
>
> Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> slammed into it.
>
> Daveb
I though I 95 was on the east coast.

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Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

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Ross > wrote:
> DaveB wrote:
> > NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> > aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> > he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> > ejecting and killing him.
> >
> > The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> > the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
> >
> > The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> > Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> > Bernardino County.
> >
> > Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> > taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> > slammed into it.
> >
> > Daveb
> I though I 95 was on the east coast.

It is if you hold a US map upside down.


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DaveB wrote:
>NEEDLES, Calif. (AP)
>
>Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
>taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
>slammed into it.
>
>Daveb
Authorities are trying to determine if the pilot filed a flight plan

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On Aug 13, 12:16*pm, (DaveB) wrote:
> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> ejecting and killing him.
>
> The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>
> The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> Bernardino County.
>
> Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> slammed into it.
>
> Daveb

Was he trying to take off without police helping to stop traffic, or
did the driver of the car evade a police roadblock? I can't imagine
any pilot trying to take off from a road without knowing that traffic
was stopped.

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wrote:
> On Aug 13, 12:16?pm, (DaveB) wrote:
> > NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> > aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> > he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> > ejecting and killing him.
> >
> > The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> > the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
> >
> > The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> > Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> > Bernardino County.
> >
> > Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> > taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> > slammed into it.
> >
> > Daveb

> Was he trying to take off without police helping to stop traffic, or
> did the driver of the car evade a police roadblock? I can't imagine
> any pilot trying to take off from a road without knowing that traffic
> was stopped.

At this point the reports are conflicting.

Some reports say he essentially did a touch and go, others say he
landed, turned around, and attempted to take off in the opposite
direction against traffic.

Since speeds in that area run around 80 to 90 MPH when there is
no CHP to be seen, doing that with no roadblock is pure stupidity.

No report so far mentions any law enforcement on the scene before
the crash.



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[Ross]

wrote:
> Ross > wrote:
>> DaveB wrote:
>>> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
>>> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
>>> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
>>> ejecting and killing him.
>>>
>>> The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
>>> the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>>>
>>> The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
>>> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
>>> Bernardino County.
>>>
>>> Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
>>> taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
>>> slammed into it.
>>>
>>> Daveb
>> I though I 95 was on the east coast.
>
> It is if you hold a US map upside down.
>
>

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Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[More_Flaps]

On Aug 14, 8:05*am, wrote:
> Ross > wrote:
> > DaveB wrote:
> > > NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> > > aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> > > he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> > > ejecting and killing him.
>
> > > The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> > > the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>
> > > The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> > > Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> > > Bernardino County.
>
> > > Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> > > taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> > > slammed into it.
>
> > > Daveb
> > I though I 95 was on the east coast.
>
> It is if you hold a US map upside down.
>

No, he's correct, I've driven on I95 between DC and Baltimore.
Whether it continues to Coliformia I don't know.

Cheers

[More_Flaps]

On Aug 14, 8:32*am, wrote:
> On Aug 13, 12:16*pm, (DaveB) wrote:
>
>
>
> > NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> > aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> > he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> > ejecting and killing him.
>
> > The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> > the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>
> > The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> > Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> > Bernardino County.
>
> > Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> > taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> > slammed into it.
>
> > Daveb
>
> Was he trying to take off without police helping to stop traffic, or
> did the driver of the car evade a police roadblock? *I can't imagine
> any pilot trying to take off from a road without knowing that traffic
> was stopped.

How was he taking off with a stopped prop?

Cheers

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More_Flaps > wrote:
> On Aug 14, 8:05?am, wrote:
> > Ross > wrote:
> > > DaveB wrote:
> > > > NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> > > > aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> > > > he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> > > > ejecting and killing him.
> >
> > > > The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> > > > the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
> >
> > > > The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> > > > Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> > > > Bernardino County.
> >
> > > > Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> > > > taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> > > > slammed into it.
> >
> > > > Daveb
> > > I though I 95 was on the east coast.
> >
> > It is if you hold a US map upside down.
> >

> No, he's correct, I've driven on I95 between DC and Baltimore.
> Whether it continues to Coliformia I don't know.

Another failed attempt at humor; I guess I need to keep the day job.

Anyway, AP got it wrong, it is the connector to US 95 that is outside
Needles, CA, not I 95.

At least they got the city right.

FWIW, both I 95 and US 95 run north-south and I 40 intersects I 95
near Raleigh, NC.


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[BT]

Again the news papers only report miss information.
I believe they refer to "State Rt" 95.. and Hwy 1 is on the east coast and
parallels Interstate Rte 95
so is Hwy 101 on the west coast (Pacific Coast Hiway) and parrelles
Interstate 5
BT

"DaveB" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:42:30 -0500, Ross > wrote:
>
>>DaveB wrote:
>>> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
>>> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
>>> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
>>> ejecting and killing him.
>>>
>>> The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
>>> the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>>>
>>> The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
>>> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
>>> Bernardino County.
>>>
>>> Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
>>> taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
>>> slammed into it.
>>>
>>> Daveb
>>I though I 95 was on the east coast.
>>
>>--
>>
>>Regards, Ross
>>C-172F 180HP
>>KSWI
>
>
> http://www.abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=6322911
> Daveb

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"More_Flaps" > wrote in message
...
<...>
>No, he's correct, I've driven on I95 between DC and Baltimore.
>Whether it continues to Coliformia I don't know.

Odd numbered Interstate highways run North /South and are numbered starting
on the West Coast.
Even numbered Interstate highways run East/ West numbering from teh south.
3 digit numbers are brnch highways around (even first digit) or into (odd
first digit) cities.

IN generatl, odd numbered US Routes run North/South and even numbers run
East/West but the numbers start in the North East

"The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
Bernardino County. "

If you check a map, you will see that _US_ 95 connects to I-40 just west
of Needles.

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[Ken S. Tucker]

On Aug 13, 4:34 pm, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My
Sig.com> wrote:
> "More_Flaps" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> <...>
>
> >No, he's correct, I've driven on I95 between DC and Baltimore.
> >Whether it continues to Coliformia I don't know.
>
> Odd numbered Interstate highways run North /South and are numbered starting
> on the West Coast.
> Even numbered Interstate highways run East/ West numbering from teh south.
> 3 digit numbers are brnch highways around (even first digit) or into (odd
> first digit) cities.
>
> IN generatl, odd numbered US Routes run North/South and even numbers run
> East/West but the numbers start in the North East
>
> "The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> Bernardino County. "
>
> If you check a map, you will see that _US_ 95 connects to I-40 just west
> of Needles.
>
> --
> Geoff
> The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

It was my impression the US and Canux are usually
fly-friendly, like "any port in a storm" sort of thinking.
Something sounds weird, maybe pilot error???
Ken

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On Aug 13, 8:10 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote:

> It was my impression the US and Canux are usually
> fly-friendly, like "any port in a storm" sort of thinking.
> Something sounds weird, maybe pilot error???

The law usually doesn't mind if a pilot has to set down on a road
if he has engine trouble, unless there's a perfectly good alternative
like a smooth field or whatever. But they don't have to let you take
off again if the risk or inconvenience to other folks is too large.
Lots of guys have had to dismantle the airplane and haul it to an
airport intead of taking off on the highway.
There's a video on YouTube of a guy taking off in his Cessna 210
after being forced down, but the road is narrow and has vehicles
parked along it, one of which a wing catches on the takeoff, causing a
crash. Shoulda trucked it out.

Dan

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wrote:
> There's a video on YouTube of a guy taking off in his Cessna 210
>after being forced down, but the road is narrow and has vehicles
>parked along it, one of which a wing catches on the takeoff, causing a
>crash. Shoulda trucked it out.
>
> Dan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cADa4JLF6XU

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[Morgans[_2_]]

> wrote

> The law usually doesn't mind if a pilot has to set down on a road
> if he has engine trouble, unless there's a perfectly good alternative
> like a smooth field or whatever. But they don't have to let you take
> off again if the risk or inconvenience to other folks is too large.
> Lots of guys have had to dismantle the airplane and haul it to an
> airport intead of taking off on the highway.
> There's a video on YouTube of a guy taking off in his Cessna 210
> after being forced down, but the road is narrow and has vehicles
> parked along it, one of which a wing catches on the takeoff, causing a
> crash. Shoulda trucked it out.

After doing some googleing, it is unclear to me as to if he was taking off,
or landing. Some reports say landing; probably the majority of them.

Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to what is the real sequence of
events?
--
Jim in NC

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-08-13 11:16:04 -0700, (DaveB) said:

> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> ejecting and killing him.
>
> The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
> the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>
> The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
> Bernardino County.
>
> Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
> taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
> slammed into it.
>
> Daveb

Gee. Titan Tornado vs. car is not much of a contest. I am reminded of
the line from "Man of La Mancha" where Sancho says "Whether the pitcher
hits the stone or the stone hits the pitcher, it is going to be bad for
the pitcher."

--
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World Famous Flight Instructor

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On Aug 14, 5:03*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> > wrote
>
> > * * The law usually doesn't mind if a pilot has to set down on a road
> > if he has engine trouble, unless there's a perfectly good alternative
> > like a smooth field or whatever. But they don't have to let you take
> > off again if the risk or inconvenience to other folks is too large.
> > Lots of guys have had to dismantle the airplane and haul it to an
> > airport intead of taking off on the highway.
> > * * There's a video on YouTube of a guy taking off in his Cessna 210
> > after being forced down, but the road is narrow and has vehicles
> > parked along it, one of which a wing catches on the takeoff, causing a
> > crash. Shoulda trucked it out.
>
> After doing some googleing, it is unclear to me as to if he was taking off,
> or landing. *Some reports say landing; probably the majority of them.
>
> Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to what is the real sequence of
> events?
> --
> Jim in NC

If it is the one I remember. he ran out of fuel and made a successful
emergency landing, pulled it into a shopping center parking lot, got
some fuel. By this time the TV crews had shown up and positioned their
cameras. The local cops then allowed him to try to take off. He
probably would have made it if not for the truck parked along the
road. Did ya see how fast that thing made a right turn after clipping
the trucks mirror???? Rule #1. measure the width of the road and any
obstructions "before" the take off roll... <G>

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On Aug 14, 5:03 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:

> After doing some googleing, it is unclear to me as to if he was taking off,
> or landing. Some reports say landing; probably the majority of them.

Flaps are up, which would normally indicate takeoff. I don't
think he'd try an emergency landing on a road with no flaps and the
associated higher landing speed.

Dan

[Morgans[_2_]]

> wrote

If it is the one I remember. he ran out of fuel and made a successful
emergency landing, pulled it into a shopping center parking lot, got
some fuel. By this time the TV crews had shown up and positioned their
cameras. The local cops then allowed him to try to take off. He
probably would have made it if not for the truck parked along the
road.

Sorry, I guess I was unclear.

I'm talking about the plane that got hit 3 feet off the ground, in the
subject line.

Reports are in conflict with the important issue; was he landing or taking
off?
--
Jim in NC

[More_Flaps]

On Aug 15, 3:24*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> > wrote
>
> If it is the one I remember. he ran out of fuel and made a successful
> emergency landing, pulled it into a shopping center parking lot, got
> some fuel. By this time the TV crews had shown up and positioned their
> cameras. The local cops then allowed him to try to take off. He
> probably would have made it if not for the *truck parked along the
> road.
>
> Sorry, I guess I was unclear.
>
> I'm talking about the plane that got hit 3 feet off the ground, in the
> subject line.
>
> Reports are in conflict with the important issue; was he landing or taking
> off?
> --

The engine was not running -as the prop was intact.

Cheers

[DaveB[_2_]]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:50:50 -0700 (PDT), More_Flaps
> wrote:

>On Aug 15, 3:24=A0pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
>> > wrote
>>
>> If it is the one I remember. he ran out of fuel and made a successful
>> emergency landing, pulled it into a shopping center parking lot, got
>> some fuel. By this time the TV crews had shown up and positioned their
>> cameras. The local cops then allowed him to try to take off. He
>> probably would have made it if not for the =A0truck parked along the
>> road.
>>
>> Sorry, I guess I was unclear.
>>
>> I'm talking about the plane that got hit 3 feet off the ground, in the
>> subject line.
>>
>> Reports are in conflict with the important issue; was he landing or takin=
>g
>> off?
>> --
>
>The engine was not running -as the prop was intact.
>
>Cheers


Maybe he was doing a glider takeoff?
Daveb

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:42:30 -0500, Ross > wrote:

>DaveB wrote:
>> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
>> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
>> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
>> ejecting and killing him.
>>
>> The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
>> the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>>
>> The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
>> Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
>> Bernardino County.
>>
>> Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
>> taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
>> slammed into it.
>>
>> Daveb
>I though I 95 was on the east coast.

The string of biggest pot holes down the East coast? That's it!
This was on I40.


Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:05:04 GMT, wrote:

>Ross > wrote:
>> DaveB wrote:
>> > NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
>> > aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
>> > he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
>> > ejecting and killing him.
>> >
>> > The San Bernardino County sheriff's office reports three occupants in
>> > the car sustained minor injuries from a broken windshield.
>> >
>> > The Titan Tornado landed on the Interstate 40 connector road to
>> > Interstate 95 north, about 10 miles west of Needles in eastern San
>> > Bernardino County.
>> >
>> > Witnesses told the Federal Aviation Administration the plane was
>> > taking off and was about three feet off the ground when the car
>> > slammed into it.
>> >
>> > Daveb
>> I though I 95 was on the east coast.
>
>It is if you hold a US map upside down.

I-95 runs nearly the full lenght of the East coast.
The news broadcast put the crash on I-40. I'm not sure where the I-95
came from.

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Mxsmanic]

DaveB wrote:

> NEEDLES, Calif. (AP) ? Authorities say the pilot of an experimental
> aircraft was taking off Tuesday from a freeway west of Needles where
> he'd made an emergency landing when a car slammed into the plane,
> ejecting and killing him.

When will automobile drivers learn to stay above 700' AGL when driving on the
active freeway?