Visiting France and Italy -- any two-seaters need ballast?

[Tuno]

I'm going to be wandering around southern France the last two days of
September, and in northern Italy the first three days of October
(Milan / St Vincent). In the off chance that there might be an
opportunity to spend an hour or two in the back seat of a high
performance ship along the way, I would gladly pay the winch, tow and
any rental cost.

~ted/2NO

[[email protected]]

Tuno

I am in sourthern Germany, near Munich. I would be glad to take you in
a flight in our Nimbus 3dt. We use a winch for launching so it would
cost you a few beers. Let me know if you are interested.

Bob

wannathermal1 (at) aim dot com

[Peter Nyffeler[_2_]]

Tuno wrote:

> I'm going to be wandering around southern France the last two days of
> September, and in northern Italy the first three days of October
> (Milan / St Vincent). In the off chance that there might be an
> opportunity to spend an hour or two in the back seat of a high
> performance ship along the way,

Ask the people of "Aeroclub Volovelistico Lariano" at Alzatte-Brianza
north of Mialno close to Como. I like the place and people.

http://www.avl.it/

[John Smith]

http://www.ffvv.org/ouvoler.php

A click into the map will yield a list of glider operators.

[Tuno]

I LOVE THIS GROUP!!! (Yes I do mean to shout.)

How much glider activity is there at Gap-Tallard these days?

Bob, I will send you an e-mail this weekend. I see that the currency
of Germany has not changed since I last visited. Which side of Munich
are you on?

I am hoping to fly with a private operator, as opposed to visiting a
commercial gliderport, but any vacation flying opportunity will be
gladly considered.

2NO

[Martin Gregorie[_4_]]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:47:57 -0700, Tuno wrote:

> I am hoping to fly with a private operator, as opposed to visiting a
> commercial gliderport, but any vacation flying opportunity will be
> gladly considered.
>
AFAICT German gliding is mostly club based, like the UK. Anyway, if you
take your medical certificate, license and log book you should be able to
just rock up and fly provided the field you visit has spare capacity that
day.

Back in 2003 I did just that at the gliding school on the Wasserkuppe.
The office OKed my papers in about 5 mins flat and sent me out to the
flight line for a check flight, after which I got to fly an ASK-23 (the
first one I'd seen). The whole atmosphere was like a UK gliding club and
the procedure was almost exactly the same.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[jerome]

Tuno a écrit:
> I'm going to be wandering around southern France the last two days of
> September, and in northern Italy the first three days of October
> (Milan / St Vincent). In the off chance that there might be an
> opportunity to spend an hour or two in the back seat of a high
> performance ship along the way, I would gladly pay the winch, tow and
> any rental cost.
>
> ~ted/2NO

Try the club in Vinon sur Verdon, some 100km NNW of Marseille on A51.
If you come there before the daily briefing (10 am) you certainly can
arrange a two seater flight on the Alps - according to weather naturally.

[Mike Schumann]

Do you have to have a medical to fly in Europe?

Mike Schumann

"Martin Gregorie" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:47:57 -0700, Tuno wrote:
>
>> I am hoping to fly with a private operator, as opposed to visiting a
>> commercial gliderport, but any vacation flying opportunity will be
>> gladly considered.
>>
> AFAICT German gliding is mostly club based, like the UK. Anyway, if you
> take your medical certificate, license and log book you should be able to
> just rock up and fly provided the field you visit has spare capacity that
> day.
>
> Back in 2003 I did just that at the gliding school on the Wasserkuppe.
> The office OKed my papers in about 5 mins flat and sent me out to the
> flight line for a check flight, after which I got to fly an ASK-23 (the
> first one I'd seen). The whole atmosphere was like a UK gliding club and
> the procedure was almost exactly the same.
>
>
> --
> martin@ | Martin Gregorie
> gregorie. | Essex, UK
> org |


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[Edward Lockhart[_3_]]

Only if you want to fly solo.

At 22:04 22 August 2008, Mike Schumann wrote:
>Do you have to have a medical to fly in Europe?
>
>Mike Schumann
>
>"Martin Gregorie" wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:47:57 -0700, Tuno wrote:
>>
>>> I am hoping to fly with a private operator, as opposed to visiting a
>>> commercial gliderport, but any vacation flying opportunity will be
>>> gladly considered.
>>>
>> AFAICT German gliding is mostly club based, like the UK. Anyway, if
you
>> take your medical certificate, license and log book you should be able
>to
>> just rock up and fly provided the field you visit has spare capacity
>that
>> day.
>>
>> Back in 2003 I did just that at the gliding school on the Wasserkuppe.
>> The office OKed my papers in about 5 mins flat and sent me out to the
>> flight line for a check flight, after which I got to fly an ASK-23
(the
>> first one I'd seen). The whole atmosphere was like a UK gliding club
and
>> the procedure was almost exactly the same.
>>
>>
>> --
>> martin@ | Martin Gregorie
>> gregorie. | Essex, UK
>> org |
>
>
>** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>

[Martin Gregorie[_4_]]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:04:15 -0500, Mike Schumann wrote:

> Do you have to have a medical to fly in Europe?
>
It varies from country to country.

In the UK its pretty light: when I learnt in 2000 it was self-
certification unless you wanted to instruct or carry pax, which was
exactly the same as the requirements for a commercial driving license.

Since then its tightened up a little. Now for most glider pilots its self
certification countersigned by your GP. The list of excluding conditions
are the same as those that would prevent you from driving a private
vehicle. If you want to instruct or carry passengers its the same as the
medical clearance you'd need for a commercial driving license.

I don't know exact details for other countries, but generally a UK
medical works elsewhere except for France, which is more stringent. If I
missed something I'm sure somebody will correct me.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Tuno]

Mike: do I need a medical to ride as a pax in Europe?

I accidentally left my pilot logbook with my glider logbook when I
dropped it off for repair in New Mexico earlier in the summer, and I
will not be able to retrieve it before my travel to Europe. But I'll
be perfectly happy to just get a ride in as a passenger.

2NO

[Tuno]

Thank you Jerome -- this is a good one to consider.

> Try the club in Vinon sur Verdon, some 100km NNW of Marseille on A51.
> If you come there before the daily briefing (10 am) you certainly can
> arrange a two seater flight on the Alps - according to weather naturally.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 23, 6:46*am, Tuno > wrote:
> Mike: do I need a medical to ride as a pax in Europe?
>
> I accidentally left my pilot logbook with my glider logbook when I
> dropped it off for repair in New Mexico earlier in the summer, and I
> will not be able to retrieve it before my travel to Europe. But I'll
> be perfectly happy to just get a ride in as a passenger.
>
> 2NO

2NO

Nope you don't need a medical to ride pax. I sent you an email.

Bob

[www.surf]

Hi Ted,
if you are not far away from Bolzano (north part of Italy near the
Austrian/Italian boarder...) you can come to our club and i will take you
for some rides in the Dolomites, with the Twin Astir...October is no more
the best month, but some years we have good wheater and barely nice
conditions to stay 4/5 hours in the air...:-)))
So if you're interested i will be glad to take you with me, i'm club member
here: http://www.aeroclub.bz/indexit.htm
so you have also the coordinates to see where we are and if we are in a
location which can be interesting for your trip to Europe...
You can contact me anyway at stefanwindAThotmailDOTcom...ok?
Bye
Stefan


"Tuno" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> I'm going to be wandering around southern France the last two days of
> September, and in northern Italy the first three days of October
> (Milan / St Vincent). In the off chance that there might be an
> opportunity to spend an hour or two in the back seat of a high
> performance ship along the way, I would gladly pay the winch, tow and
> any rental cost.
>
> ~ted/2NO

[Allan Broadribb]

I did exactly that last year. I flew at the Aeroclub de Sisteron (email: ). Flew for about 1.5 hours with an instructor over the lower alps in the area - it was very nice in the front seat of a Duo Discus. It cost 105 euros about $150 - the instructor took tow and final and I did the rest. We had the Mistral wind which gave us good ridge lift which combined with a thermal took us above the clouds at about 12k feet. A great experience and I would highly recommend the club based on my experience there.

We then went onto Tuscany - if you want a good B&B (about $60/night/couple) south of Florence try Casa Di Laura in Tavernuzze or www.casadilaura.it) - there's a great restaurant/pizzeria just down the street - can't remember the name but it is the only one thats close. From there you can take the bus into Florence - don't drive - and you are ten minutes from the Chianti region and 45 minutes from Sienna.

Hope this helps. Allan.

[Uri]

On Aug 22, 3:58*am, Tuno > wrote:
> I'm going to be wandering around southern France the last two days of
> September, and in northern Italy the first three days of October
> (Milan / St Vincent). In the off chance that there might be an
> opportunity to spend an hour or two in the back seat of a high
> performance ship along the way, I would gladly pay the winch, tow and
> any rental cost.
>
> ~ted/2NO

Hi!
Same question, but for Austria - Salzburg region?
Thanks,
Uri

[Tuno]

My apolgies to my fellow r.a.s.'ers for using the forum as a travel
agency, but I'm suffering a little sticker shock at the online prices
of hotels in central Paris. Any inside information on a cozy,
comfortable (and affordable) place within walking distance of a few of
the major attractions would be greatly appreciated. (Yes, we have long
legs.)

~tuno

[[email protected]]

On Aug 25, 12:57*am, Tuno > wrote:
> My apolgies to my fellow r.a.s.'ers for using the forum as a travel
> agency, but I'm suffering a little sticker shock at the online prices
> of hotels in central Paris. Any inside information on a cozy,
> comfortable (and affordable) place within walking distance of a few of
> the major attractions would be greatly appreciated. (Yes, we have long
> legs.)

Hope the regulars here don't mind this OT response.

This is pretty basic but was clean. I stayed there a couple of times
a few years ago. Not exactly central but not far on underground. In
Montmatre which I personally would prefer.
If you are keen it is walkable I seem to recall.
2.8km as crow flies to Louvre, many main tourist things are
near there.

http://www.parisby.com/arts/pages/booking.htm
Hotel des Arts
5, rue Tholozé, Paris, 75018
Double room 81-140 Euros night.

There are other similar looking hotels in the area.

When I was feeling wealthier I once stayed somewhere nearby:-
http://www.terrass-hotel.com/
Very nice it was too.
270 Euros night.

[Bruce]

Very simple - though not obvious to those not used to public transport that works.

Look for a cheap hotel on or near the peripherique (the ring road highway) - OK cheap and Paris used in the same
sentence is an oxymoron but relative is possible.

Sites like otel.com are good place to start. All you need is a Metro station within a couple of blocks and you are away.

Last time I tried, the south , near Porte Versailles was the cheapest. Means you have a bit longer in a metro to get to
the tourist sites, but it is no hardship.

Metro runs till late.

Bruce

Tuno wrote:
> My apolgies to my fellow r.a.s.'ers for using the forum as a travel
> agency, but I'm suffering a little sticker shock at the online prices
> of hotels in central Paris. Any inside information on a cozy,
> comfortable (and affordable) place within walking distance of a few of
> the major attractions would be greatly appreciated. (Yes, we have long
> legs.)
>
> ~tuno

[Walter Kronester[_3_]]

Hi Uri,
have a look here: www.dassu.de
They are based in Germany about 50 miles west of Salzburg.
Their website is in german, besides a small english page,
but they are able to answer english mails.
Walter

"Uri" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
On Aug 22, 3:58 am, Tuno > wrote:
> I'm going to be wandering around southern France the last two days of
> September, and in northern Italy the first three days of October
> (Milan / St Vincent). In the off chance that there might be an
> opportunity to spend an hour or two in the back seat of a high
> performance ship along the way, I would gladly pay the winch, tow and
> any rental cost.
>
> ~ted/2NO

Hi!
Same question, but for Austria - Salzburg region?
Thanks,
Uri