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Juan Tootreego[_2_]
August 22nd 08, 07:01 AM
In article >, Neolithic
says...

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" >
> wrote:
>
> >Neolithic > wrote:
> >>On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" > wrote:
> >>>Neolithic > wrote:
> >>>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" > wrote:
> >>>>>Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> >>>>>>"Adam H. Kerman" > wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may even
> >>>>>>>agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my question was
> >>>>>>>specific to the religion itself. Aside from the symbols, what is it
> >>>>>>>about the RELIGION that has attracted them?
> >
> >>>>>>Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
> >>>>>>Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
> >
> >>>>>If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have no
> >>>>>interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using its symbols.
> >
> >>>>Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether they
> >>>>are consistent with that accusation, or not...
> >
> >>>I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were talking
> >>>about symbols, so stop ****ing going off on tangents.
> >
> >>I'll talk about anything I like if I think its relevant.
> >
> >>Don't tell me what to do.
> >
> >If you want to have a conversation with me, you need to stick to the
> >topic and stop going off on tangents. You haven't been talking to me,
> >you've been talking at me.
> >
> >It's pretty darn rude.
>
> Hypocrit.
>
> >>>>>>The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
> >>>>>>conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
> >>>>>>to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
> >>>>>>and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
> >>>>>>about that point they have "front" in their names.
> >
> >>>>>>There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
> >>>>>>interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
> >>>>>>religious bigot interested in making false statements
> >>>>>>out of hate.
> >
> >>>>>>Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
> >>>>>>that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
> >>>>>>practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
> >>>>>>what those tenants are.
> >
> >>>>>Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new religions.
> >
> >>>>Who said anything about "new"?
> >
> >>>Peter did.
> >
> >>Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
> >>balanced...
> >
> >Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
> >I call .sig!
>
> You are a troll...
>
> >>>>>>Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
> >>>>>>religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
> >>>>>>pretend it.
> >
> >>>>>Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
> >
> >>>>Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
> >>>>nazi slur...
> >
> >>>Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
> >
> >>alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
> >>thought I was alone in the world.
> >
> >>It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
> >>express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
> >>cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
> >>difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
> >
> >>So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
> >
> >Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
>
> No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
> the order of the day, or so it would seem.
>
> There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
> being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
>
> >>>>>I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else has said
> >>>>>he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to dispute that.
> >
> >>>>Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
> >
> >>>What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute someone's
> >>>claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to you?
> >
> >>I don't believe that you don't have an opinion either way on this point.
> >
> >I have lots of opinions. I am choosing the shut the **** up.
>
> Troll.
>
> >>>Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your
> >>>religious beliefs?
> >
> >>You're the one being willfully ignorant not me.
> >
> >Think of it as my support of religious freedom.
>
> Asatru is a religion that strongly supports religious freedom given
> the fact that ours was violently suppressed in past by Christians...
>
> If there's any group that we might oppose/hate etc it would be
> Christians because of their violent repression of our historical
> co-religionists.

Like when Djirkie said in >

"I live it. It's not a joke.
Hezbolah and Hamas and the Taliban live it. They are not a joke either"

That doesn't sound very eccumenical to me...

--

"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"

Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
August 23rd 08, 11:11 PM
Juan Tootreego > wrote in
:

> In article >, Neolithic
> says...
>
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Neolithic > wrote:
>> >>On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman"
>> > wrote:
>> >>>Neolithic > wrote:
>> >>>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman"
>> > wrote:
>> >>>>>Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>> >>>>>>"Adam H. Kerman" > wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>>>>This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may
>> >>>>>>>even agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my
>> >>>>>>>question was specific to the religion itself. Aside from the
>> >>>>>>>symbols, what is it about the RELIGION that has attracted
>> >>>>>>>them?
>> >
>> >>>>>>Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
>> >>>>>>Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
>> >
>> >>>>>If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have
>> >>>>>no interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using
>> >>>>>its symbols.
>> >
>> >>>>Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether
>> >>>>they are consistent with that accusation, or not...
>> >
>> >>>I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were
>> >>>talking about symbols, so stop ****ing going off on tangents.
>> >
>> >>I'll talk about anything I like if I think its relevant.
>> >
>> >>Don't tell me what to do.
>> >
>> >If you want to have a conversation with me, you need to stick to the
>> >topic and stop going off on tangents. You haven't been talking to
>> >me, you've been talking at me.
>> >
>> >It's pretty darn rude.
>>
>> Hypocrit.
>>
>> >>>>>>The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
>> >>>>>>conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
>> >>>>>>to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
>> >>>>>>and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
>> >>>>>>about that point they have "front" in their names.
>> >
>> >>>>>>There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
>> >>>>>>interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
>> >>>>>>religious bigot interested in making false statements
>> >>>>>>out of hate.
>> >
>> >>>>>>Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
>> >>>>>>that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
>> >>>>>>practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
>> >>>>>>what those tenants are.
>> >
>> >>>>>Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new
>> >>>>>religions.
>> >
>> >>>>Who said anything about "new"?
>> >
>> >>>Peter did.
>> >
>> >>Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
>> >>balanced...
>> >
>> >Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
>> >I call .sig!
>>
>> You are a troll...
>>
>> >>>>>>Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
>> >>>>>>religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
>> >>>>>>pretend it.
>> >
>> >>>>>Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
>> >
>> >>>>Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making
>> >>>>the nazi slur...
>> >
>> >>>Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
>> >
>> >>alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists.
>> >>I thought I was alone in the world.
>> >
>> >>It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
>> >>express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
>> >>cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made
>> >>it difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
>> >
>> >>So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
>> >
>> >Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
>>
>> No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
>> the order of the day, or so it would seem.
>>
>> There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
>> being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
>>
>> >>>>>I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else
>> >>>>>has said he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to
>> >>>>>dispute that.
>> >
>> >>>>Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
>> >
>> >>>What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute
>> >>>someone's claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to
>> >>>you?
>> >
>> >>I don't believe that you don't have an opinion either way on this
>> >>point.
>> >
>> >I have lots of opinions. I am choosing the shut the **** up.
>>
>> Troll.
>>
>> >>>Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your
>> >>>religious beliefs?
>> >
>> >>You're the one being willfully ignorant not me.
>> >
>> >Think of it as my support of religious freedom.
>>
>> Asatru is a religion that strongly supports religious freedom given
>> the fact that ours was violently suppressed in past by Christians...
>>
>> If there's any group that we might oppose/hate etc it would be
>> Christians because of their violent repression of our historical
>> co-religionists.
>
> Like when Djirkie said in >
>
> "I live it. It's not a joke.
> Hezbolah and Hamas and the Taliban live it. They are not a joke
> either"
>
> That doesn't sound very eccumenical to me...
>

You gotta lurve Djirkie.

Cuz if you don't, he'll get you.

Bertie

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